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it is in the pacific northwest and british columbia. so if you are around the table giving thanks, say an extra prayer for them especially in british columbia, they are air dropping supplies. and if you have a flight not great lakes on saturday, winds could cause some flight delays. it was beautiful for the macy's day parade, but the rain will be moving in to the east coast. and sunday probably the first snowfall of the year for many areas of new england. so maybe a few flight delays there as well. but travel by road could be a problem. so again, a lot to worry about. the fire threat is real in southern california. please be careful. i know everyone wants a safe thanksgiving. but again, safe travels for those returning on sunday if that is your return date. happy thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving, tom. and a quick programming note. lisa ling uncovers that wealth
make people of oklahoma a target in the 1920s. discover the horrific plot to deal osage land and money, it airs sunday night at 10:00 right here on cnn. it is the start of a brand new hour on this thanksgiving day. and thank you so much for joining cnn's special holiday coverage. i'm jessica dean. the first thanksgiving in a mostly vaccinated america is now in full swing with 59% of the u.s. fully vaccinated. americans have been on the move to near pre-pandemic levels. the tsa said the number of air travelers just broke a pandemic era record, more than 2.3 million people went through checkpoints on wednesday alone. that is 88% of 2019 levels. it is also the seventh consecutive day the tsa screened at least 2 million passengers.
a recent poll finds nearly 70% of us are spending this holiday with the same number of people or more than we did before covid hit. and today's most colorful and creative sign yet that america is getting back to normal, a packed macy's thanksgiving day parade. 2.5 million people were expected to show up for the 95th annual event. and take a listen to the cheers for the start of the show. [ crowd cheering ]. >> it feels like we're almost getting back to normal in a sense. we're able to be in crowds again and be able to see family. we're visiting family in new jersey that we haven't seen in a long time. >> it is great to be able to see people again. last year no in-person spectators were allowed at the macy's thanksgiving day parade. but what a difference a year and vaccines make.
brazen bands of thieves have hit several more high end stores in california, one group attacked a security guard. los angeles police responded to a nordstrom store at a mall last night and they say the robbers attacked that security guard with bear spray before making off with expensive purses. and in sabt ro santa very a, ro thieves snatched merchandise from an apple store. and this happened in broad daylight with shoppers inside. >> reporter: yeah, it is unbelievable. because it wasn't just shoppers, it was also store employees and it was also caught on video. so authorities are now looking into at least four people coming into this small and getting out with about $20,000 worth of apple products. unfortunately, police also telling us that at the believe that they are teenagers ages 14 to 18. and so there is a lot of work for investigators here.
and as well in southern california, because they too are looking at all of this surveillance video as you mentioned in that nordstrom, they believe at least five people were involved. you can see it on the video. you can see someone even wearing an orange wig and getting out of the store with those purses. lapd saying that they are increasing patrols and that is also the case here in the bay area. in san francisco, i've been able to see more police officers outside of these luxury stores, but for some of them, it is already too late. we're talking about louie vuitton, nordstrom, bloomingdale's, ysl, burberry and even walgreen's. the chief of police in san francisco saying that they will continue to review the surveillance videos, promising arrests in the near future, but then it goes into the hands of the district attorney. he is a controversial figure in san francisco who says that he will hold people accountable, but also added that it is up to the judges to see how long or even if these people are held in
jail. so it seems like the blame and the responsibility is being passed on. and in the meantime, we're all watching these surveillance videos and watching it on social media. and it is easy to see that we're talking about products worth thousands and thousands of dollars. so clearly a lot of work to be done here in california. >> exactly. thanks so much. the three men convicted of murdering ahmaud arbery are spending this thanksgiving in prison as they wait for sentencing. yesterday a jury found them guilty on multiple charges including murder. arbery's mother reflected on her bittersweet feelings today. >> this is the second thanksgiving that my family and i shared without and youhmaud, e first one that we can look at the empty chair and say we finally got justice. i know that he is in the heavens very, very thankful that we got justice for him.
>> and joining me now to discuss, former federal prosecutor and former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney. lovely to see you both. thanks for taking time on this thanksgiving. walk us through what is next for these men as they face sentencing. and they now have a federal trial coming up on hate crime charges. >> yeah, so first of all, their attorneys will be i think trying to come up with the best possible sentencing submission. now, in the state case, unfortunately for these gentlemen, the minimum penalty is life in prison. the question is whether it will be with or without parole. so there is still a lot there for them to be arguing to the judge because obviously it is an important distinction. but as you point out, this federal case coming i think will lead those attorneys to try to negotiate with the government to get for example a guilty plea in a federal case in the hopes of serving some of their time in
federal prison rather than state prison. >> that is an interesting point. harry, from your perspective, what can we expect from this federal trial and help us understand how it will be different than the trial that we just went through. >> sure. first of all, congratulations to newlywed renata. the federal trial, it is very unusual that the feds actually brought charges. normally they wait to see what will happen in state court. and here of course in state court it was the biggest penalty that they might have thought of. i actually if you were betting would say that there will not be a federal trial now. nevertheless, the feds as he suggested woulill insist on som kind of guilty plea and disposition. but in the words of the federal policy, i think that the federal interest has been vindicated by the verdict that we had yesterday in the state courts of georgia. so they have been sort of back
but now i think that they will not go through the whole second trial. because that federal process is sort of a theme of racial violence, racial hostility, which was absent from the state one. and i think that the feds will want to be sure that that theme is vindicated even if it doesn't result in more time as of course it can't. >> and harry, i want to stay with you for this next question because i want to talk about other legal news while we have you. cnn reported manhattan prosecutors investigating the trump organization, we've learned that they don't intend to charge a key player with any crimes as of now. are prosecutors in your opinion trying to flip him, if not, why not press charges right now? they are in really the full court press so that the head of the office who wants to make the decision has already announced that he is leaving at the end of the year. so they have to pull out all
stops. right now they have cases against the trump organization, but as you know, the cfo for the organization has stood pat and has not given information against trump. so if they want to get anywhere, they have to pull out all stops. you can't say for certain that that is what they are doing, but it stands to reason when they announce that they are trying to get some kind of, any kind, of cooperation to build a case against the people who right now they still don't have one against. >> and alisyn camerota spoke to michael cohen monday after they finished his sentence and he promised had more indictments were coming specifically in trump 's inner circle. i'll play that clip. >> they are working on it hard. and as you know, donald is litigious, so they want to make sure that they have everything in order before they bring this. obviously they don't want to bring disrepute to the office and they have to make sure that
when they do file those indictments against anyone whose last name is trump or others, that those indictments stick. >> what do you think about his comments there? >> well, he is a potential witness. i think that it is very likely that he knows some things that we don't know because he's had conversations with prosecutors. that said, i would just caution everyone that of course michael cohen while techy he is a laurks he is not a criminal defense attorney and is not the prosecutor in this case. he is not somebody who is going to be making ultimately those decisions. so less hold our breath and wait and see exactly what comes of this. >> maybe wait and let it actually play out to see what happens. and harry, here in d.c., the january 6th committee has subpoenaed more than 40 people at this point. what does that signify to you? and you talk about time as well. they don't have a ton of time to get this work done because the midterms are coming.
does it signify to you that they are moving quickly and what does it tell you about who they have subpoenaed? >> yeah, i think that the who is as important as the number. because they are now, these last two rounds, are people who were not directly involved but rather looked to have been involved in the coordination, the financing, the organization that is one big point. and second at least for some of them were directly in contact with trump and his inner circle including chief of staff mark meadows. so these are the very folks who you would build a bridge from, the organizers -- excuse me, the insurrectionists themselves to the very top, the stones and the joness. in terms of timing, you are 100% right, they have a big staff, a good staff. i'm sure that they are already putting pen to paper and very aware that midterms or not even, but a couple months before
midterms, end of the summer will be coming very fast. if they want comprehensive work especially because some witnesses will resist them, they have to go pedal to the medal essentially starting now and all indications are that that is what they are doing. >> yeah, thanks to you both. have a great thanksgiving. >> happy thanksgiving. congrats. >> thank you. coming up, how do you avoid covid during the craziest shopping day of the year? we have tips from our doctor. plus the malls may get packed this weekend, but will the store shelves be filled up. and later richard quest talks about the future of video games with the man who made xbox a household name. t your money r. (phone chimes) ♪ ♪ ♪ i jump up on the stage ♪ ♪ and do my money dance ♪ ♪ i throw some money up ♪ ♪ and watch the money land ♪ ♪ i do my, i do my i do my money dance ♪
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supply chain issues, record inflation? the things that might slow down holiday spending are not having much impact so far this shopping season. cnn eva neceshas more on the bl friday forecast. >> reporter: a blockbuster season for retailers. sales rose by 1.7% just last month, beating expectations. >> the consumer is shopping earlier and they have been shopping earlier. and we think that they will continue that pattern throughout the holiday season. >> reporter: the biggest shopping day of the year is still black friday. but lowes has been running sales since october, trying to
capitalize from the 46% of shoppers who plan to buy earlier than normal this year. >> we're seeing consumers really move up their holiday shopping time line, not just for this historical trend but also because of some concerns around supply chain disruptions and inventory issues. >> reporter: and there is no indication 30 year record inflation is stopping shoppers from spending. >> we're expecting for the overall holiday shopping season that retail sales will grow somewhere between 8.5% and 10.5%. which is certainly much higher growth than the level of inflation. >> reporter: and it is not just growth, but record spending. up to nearly $860 billion in the last two months of 2021. 2 million more people are expected to shop from thanksgiving day through cyber monday this year compared to last. >> the trends we're certainly
seeing as it relates to how the shopping pattern is happening at lowes right now. >> the total is 3456, please. >> reporter: but the surge in early holiday shopping is overwhelming some smaller retailers. >> having people come early was making me a little nervous. >> reporter: brandy, owner of the little apple in philadelphia, says supply chain issues delayed keyhole day merchandise. >> two of my large orders i had to cancel. >> reporter: and while she's had to raise prices to offset higher freight costs, she says shoppers are still buying. and is expecting a larger than normal crowd on black friday. >> people are still coming on black friday which is a new phenomenon. >> reporter: and there may be another phenomenon for early shopping and lots of this holiday season. something that can't be defined by a number or economic indicator. >> the holidays of course bring people together and that is the spirit that, you know, people are trying to capture and by coming out and shopping and
buying gifts and things that are special and ithinking of their loved ones, people have been craving that and now they feel comfortable doing it again. >> reporter: have cnn, new york. and let's talk with a columnist for the "washington post." great to have you on. we just heard how retail sales are on fire despite the supply chain issues. the labor department reported weekless jobless claims were at a mere 199,000, lowest since 1969. and yet inflation is at its worst in 31 years. so putting all of this data together, how would you rate the economy this thanksgiving? >> as you point out, on many metrics the economy is doing quite well. unemployment is relatively low by historical standards. lower today than it was even during the housing boom in the mid 2000s for example, lower than any point in the obama
presidency. the stock market is doing quite well. gdp is above where it was pre-pandemic although we'd like it to be higher. and retail sales are booming. so on men metrics, the economy looks good. of course if you look at consumer sentiment, it is quite poor right now. and that is driven by inflation, by the fact that consumers feel their living standards being eroded because they are worried about the fact that prices are going up. in some sense they should be ahead given the government transfers that have been distributed over the past year. the stimulus checks, the child tax credits, et cetera, those should more than outweigh the erosion in wage income for the typical family let's say. but people are worried that inflation will continue. they are worried that their wages will continue to not keep up. and so, you know, people are pretty dower on this economy
despite all the good numbers. >> and a new npr/mayomarist sur shows how they view biden's handling of the xeconomy. and when people were asked their top economic concerns, inflation at 39%, followed by wages, labor shortages, unemployment there at the bottom. does president biden deserve the blame for this? should he be -- should his approval rating be tied to this, are these things under his control? >> so i will say the thing that i always say when asked about whether presidents are properly credited for economic conditions. presidents get too much credit when the economy is good and too much blame when the economy is bad. or too much blame for parts of the economy are bad or parts that are good. and that is the situation right now. inflation is up not because of any particular thing that the president did. it is because there are all of these supply chain disruptions
throughout the world caused by the pandemic. demand is up. that is partly driven by some fiscal policy decisions that congress and this president and the previous president made, giving people more stimulus checks and things like that. but it is also that people had a lot of savings from last year. they have money in the bank. that money is burning a hole in their pocket so to speak. they want to spend it. and they are trying to buy more stuff even than they were pre-pandemic, they are shifting more of their spending to goods. at the same time that goods are difficult to get through the supply chain. all of that is driving inflation up. and that is happening worldwide to some extent. it is not biden's fault. and to the same idea, biden has veryrelatively little that he can do. he's made efforts to get ports operating at longer hours for example. i think that he could be doing more on expediting work permits
for illegal immigrants which the administration has not done. but even all that put together probably won't make a huge dent. what we need to see happen, we need to see the pandemic more in the rearview mirror and have things normalized and have supply chains normalized so when people want to buy stuff from around the world, it gets to them more easily, more quickly and more cheaply. >> and before i let you go, you recently wrote a piece about this message, this idea that corporate greed is behind inflation, that it is a misguided idea. what do you mean by that? walk us through it. >> well, you know, the left has been testing out different messages about inflation because as i said, the president has very little that he can actually do to address it. so they want to show that they are trying to do something to get a handle on these concerns that are affecting many american households. basically all american hou households. so the latest talking point is the real cause behind inflation
is corporate greed. to believe that corporate greed is behind these recent price spikes you would either have to believe that suddenly corporations got much greedier or they are much more able to act on that greed. neither is true. they are always out to make a buck. it is tlrue this year and also decade ago, a cents churry ago. what is different right now has nothing to do with corporations being more willing to act in their own self interests. it has to do with the supply and demand factors that i was talking about. supply chains are kind of broken. and demand is way up. those two things together push up both prices as well as profits. companies tend do quite well when demand is high. that is why you are seeing these things coincide, record profits for corporations and higher prices. nothing mysterious, no conspiracy theory. not to say that some of these markets aren't broken, couldn't benefit from different kinds of regulatory or antitrust
interventions. that was true before and true now. markets are not perfect. but it was not like there was suddenly some change where all of these executives and shareholders woke up and said i'm going to be greedy today but i wasn't before. they are always self interested. that is the way the world works. >> i always learn something when you are on. thanks and have a great thanksgiving. straight ahead, grocery prices may be rising but the higher prices do not mean bigger profits for farmers. we'll explain why. ♪ superpowers from a spider bite? i could use some help showing the world how liberty mutual customizes their car insurance so they only pay for what they need. (gasps) ♪ did it work? only pay for what you need ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ spider-man no way home in theaters december 17th
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you're paying more for your groceries, but farmers are not getting paid more for their crops. gabe cohen reports. >> reporter: as jim jones finishes the swee t potato harvest, skyrocketing costs are slicing through his profits. are you seeing any more money from this inflation? >> no. we're actually paying for it. >> reporter: the price of fertilizer, fuel and labor are way up with no ceiling in sight. how did your profit change this year? >> i would say maybe 10%, 15%. >> reporter: what about looking ahead to next year? >> add that much more to it again. >> reporter: inflation may be cooking up the most expensive thanksgiving in history for families. the usda says the average dinner
cost is up 5%. the american farm bureau says it may be as much as 14%. their survey shows price hikes on most products from potatoes to cranberries to turkey which is anearing a record high. and many farmers say the price they receive for their crop is not going up. so your price is staying the same? >> my price is staying the same. or a little lower. >> reporter: why don't farmers just raise the price of their crops? >> they are price takers, not price makers. >> reporter: the national farmers union -- who is making the money? >> much more the middle man. >> reporter: the usda confirms that in many cases processors and distributors that get food from the farm to store shelves are the ones passing along their surge in costs. with materials and ingredients still stuck on cargo ships and a shortage of labor and truckers driving up wages and costs. >> and we're also trying to pay for the uncertainty in the marketplace right now. >> reporter: this agricultural
economist at michigan state university -- >> so we're in the middle of a perfect storm of unique events in agricultural protection. i would say buckle up for a while longer of these hire input costs. >> reporter: this farms are stocking up on materials in place suppliers run out. others are waiting hoping prices drop. and all of these issues threaten this sweet potato farm. >> we were making 100,000 to $150,000 a year in profit. this year we'll probably lose $80,000 to $120,000. >> reporter: and it is only getting worse. >> we could potentially lose a quarter of a million dollars next year. we would not have enough cash to take into the following year in order to get our operating loan in order to operate for the following year. >> reporter: farmers are used to volatility and they are looking for ways to adapt like downsizing or shifting to other crops. >> you worry, but i ain't going
to let it get me down. we'll survive somehow. >> reporter: as long as these money problems stop piling up. >> we just need to get a fair price for what we're growing. >> reporter: gabe cohen, cnn, washington. >> gabe, thank you. and could our family gatheringa gathgathers this thanksgiving lead to a covid-19? biden's top covid-19 adviser fears that could happen. ♪ ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark. but with our new multi-cloud experience, you have the flexibility you need to unveil them to the world.
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prevent a winter spike. >> it is conceivable that that is going to be the case. but we can do something about it. we can get the unvaccinated vaccinated. we can get those who have been vaccinated boosters. and we can be prudent and careful when we go to indoor congregate settings to make sure that we follow the cdc recommendations of wearing a mask. if we do that, it is within our power to prevent a big surge. >> and dr. esther chu is joining us. i want to start first with what dr. fauci said. get your shots, your boosters, wear a mask, all the things that we know. but travel is way up and people are getting together more than they did last year. what is your biggest concern as we head into the holidays and the winter season? >> well, thanks for having me on. the holidays have always been kind of our achilles' heel in
this fight. and coming from the side of the emergency dechts, we still have not recovered from the last surge. so we hit a low point in covid cases in july and then with the fall surge, we kind of hoped to get back to those low levels before we entered into the winter holidays which inevitably caused a bump in cases because people gather and it is cold. we haven't gone back down. and in the hospital we always have a lot of catchup care. so trying to do all the care that we couldn't do when we were super crowded with covid. and we had unprecedented health care workers leaving the workforce. so we were crushed in the hospital going into the winter holidays. so our fear is that there will be severe capacity issues again that our icus will get crowded out and we won't be able to get people the care they need when they do get sick from covid-19. >> just a terrible situation. and obviously people are gathering today. many, many americans are vaccinated. they are able to safely gather with family and friends.
but what should people be keeping in mind? i know everyone has fatigue about covid-19. they are kind of, you know, they don't want to wear the mask anymore, do this or that, but what is a reasonable thing do if you are getting ready to head over to someone's for thanksgiving right now? rapid testing, the mask, what should people be doing? >> i think like before just don't give up. and also remember that it is layered protections. i'm also tired of all of this. and yet we have built skills around keeping ourselves safe and just continue those things. and i think that it is like you said, so hopefully most people in your gathering maybe everybody will be vaccinated. or partially vaccinated. if you can layer on testing, i know accessibility has been a huge thing, but if you can layer on testing before people get there, that is wonderful. and then the other thing is if you are feeling sick, or if you know that people are symptomatic, please make the hard decision to not include them in the family gathering. i think that those things.
and then anything that you can do in the setting, keeping windows open, trying to make gatherings lovely and enjoyable but also you don't have to linger and you can keep them relatively short. >> yeah, keep everybody safe. and also we look tomorrow to black friday and that is crowded spaces, right? what should people be thinking about before hitting those sales where you are just kind of jammed in there with a bunch of other people who you don't know their vaccination status or if they are feeling sick or not? >> right. well, i'm hoping this year that people can think of black friday as not a single day but a concept that stretches out over a week. big box stores have really tried to help us with that. so black friday deals started before thanksgiving. they are extending them longer to try to spread people out. there is every deal is actually available online. and also there is a lot of curbside contact-free pickup and stores are doing special hours for the elderly and
immunocompromised. but of course we also want to support the smaller stores that may not offer those same things. so i would just say common sense. wear your masks. take a peek inside. if i see a mosh pit and people aren't wearing masks, i'm not going inside as much as i love those sales. and it used to be a group event. i would take somebody with me all the time and i'd ask people not d not to do that. if you can get a list from people and go alone, i think we need to not contributing to the overcrowding ourselves. and of course if you are feeling sick a little bit, i know the pressure of shopping is there, but you have to do the responsible thing and stay home unlg you ar until you are feeling better. >> and with boosters now recommended for all adults, do you consider someone who has yet to get that third dose fully vaccinated? an easier way of saying that, are you fully vaccinated with two or is it now three?
>> well, it is -- you know, this is the kind of thing that will still evolve. for sure people who are immunocompromised and elderly, the full series is three. we're learning more about waning immunity as we go. now anybody over -- 18 or over is eligible for a booster. so i still think you got the full series but we know that immunity probably is not as strong. and so i think that, you know, a booster now is available to everybody. but i think clearly the full series is -- you are completely vaccinated particularly if you are immunocompromised or elderly, it requires the full series now. so a good time to get it. and along with your flu shot. with your flu shot, then you are really protected for the winter. >> exactly. doctor, thanks so much. have a great thanksgiving. >> thank you. now let's turn to wisconsin where three more children who were injured in the dead tli chrily christmas parade incident are now out of the hospital and
spending thanksgiving with their families. ten children are still at the children's hospital wisconsin. the hospital says five of them are in critical condition, two in fair. and three in good condition. we're sending them a lot of love today. you'll remember that six people were killed and dozens hurt after an suv rammed through a crowded parade sunday. the driver of that car, darrell brooks, faces five counts of first degree intentional homicide with more charges expected to be filed. coming up, they make games, so with budgets the size of a hollywood movie budget, our richard quest talks to the head of xbox about the future of one of the biggest video game companies. and join fareed zakaria for an in-depth look at xi jinping and the stakes for america. that is sunday right here on cnn.
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and cnn's richard quest sat down with the ceo of xbox to see what the next 20 years could bring. >> this has started. >> what? >> race has started. >> when? that's not fair! i think the last video game i played with any degree of fervor was pacman, many years ago. i barely picked up a controller -- >> this is not fair. this is absolutely not fair. how many times have you played this? >> he's worked at microsoft since the company started gaming 20 years ago. at the time, people were skeptical xbox could compete in an industry dominated by sony. now with games like hilo the concept brings in billions of dollars every year for microsoft.
>> 3 billion people play video games on the planet. most are playing on devices they already own that they might use for other phone calls, tablets, whatever. at microsoft we are putting the player at the center and allowing somebody to play all the games, connect to all the community they want to connect to, regardless of what device they want to play on. we're using the power of the cloud to deliver xbox games that run on consoles but also run on the cloud and come to players anywhere. that is for us our long term vision is allowing anybody -- when everybody plays, we all win. >> all right. come on. oh, no. going backwards. just push. >> i have faith in you. you're going to catch up. >> reporter: this is called ritual humiliation. how long do they take to create these things? >> big triple-a games. three, four development cycles. sometimes longer. hundreds of people working on them, budgets, often in excess of a hundred million dollars. they are the size of a hollywood production and from a people
standpoint they can be larger because you have this unique intersection of technology, art, game design, all coming together. and the viewer if you think about it in the lens of video or something has agency in what happens on screen. so we can't script everything. >> did xbox make microsoft just a little bit cool? >> that's a hard one. that's in the lens of our customers. i will say from a team standpoint i think that the team inside of xbox that works inside of microsoft has a unique voice and perspective. >> you are being so charitable. when i think of that redman compass and i think of all the people on windows and all the other things i think of the xbox team. you must be like the cool kids at the candy store. >> well, it is a really fun place to work and i am very
proud of the team. it's our 20th anniversary of xbox, which is crazy to think about. >> yes. >> yes, if we can bring a little cool into microsoft i don't think that's a bad thing. >> here we go. >> here we go. >> speeding up now. oh, in a company known for workplace software, xbox brings high flying graphics and a bit more, too. richard quest, cnn, new york. coming up next, how a mistaken text turned into a heart warming thanksgiving tradition.
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it has been six years since a text message mistake became an unlikely friendship. in 2016 wanda dench mistakenly and now famously sent a text message inviting jamal hinton to thanksgiving thinking she was texting her grandson. once they sorted everything out hinton asked if he could still come to thanksgiving dinner and she said of course. the two have shared the holiday ever since. >> i changed my view totally of the younger generation. now that i reflect back on all these years, i didn't change their life. they changed mine. >> cheers to wanda and jamal and the accidental friendship that has endured and now become a thanksgiving tradition. of course, thanksgiving is a wonderful day to pause and be grateful for our blessings. we've asked some of you to share what you're grateful for this year. roxanne watson wrote to us about the young man who donated his
heart to her in 2010, saving her life. and since then, she says she has dedicated her energies to encouraging others to be donors. mike lamonica is grateful he decided to get back to competitive swimming, something he had done in college. not only did he find a refuge from the pandemic he also met a pool manager who turned out to be the love of his life and mike and kelly were married in september. so much to be thankful for. thank you for spending this afternoon with me. have a great thanksgiving. i'm jessica dean. special thanksgiving day marathon of stanley tucci "searching for italy" starts now. i have driven in italy quite a bit. but i did say to one guy when i was doing the movie, people don't really stop at stop lights that much. he goes, no, no. th