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♪ did it work? only pay for what you need ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ spider-man no way home in theaters december 17th hello, and happy thanksgiving. welcome to a special holiday edition of newsroom. this thanksgiving, an answered prayer in one mother's long, painful fight for justice. >> i was overwhelmed with joy because we finally got justice for ahmaud. the word, guilty, was the word i wanted to hear 18 months ago and we finally got that word of
guilty. i knew it was my job as mom to really find out what happened to ahmaud. i prayed. god answered my prayers so i'm just thankful. >> ahmaud arbery's mother speaking to cnn as these men found guilty of murdering her son while he was jogging. run with ahmaud became a rally cry. cnn's ryan young is live in brunswick, georgia, and ryan, you covered this case extensively. it's another emotional thanksgiving for arbery's family and bittersweet. >> yeah. as you can imagine, you can only think about what they're feeling today. the emotions of what happened yesterday, but the long haul to get to the point where we are. two laws have changed in the state because of this case. now there's a hate crime law in
the state of georgia and they got rid of the citizen's arrest law that was here for so long. i want to show you this video of the men being taken out of court yesterday. it was so surreal to see them walking away in handcuffing under police guard with the crowd cheering as they were excited about the guilty verdicts being read. and you think about the mother who was pushing so hard in this case to make sure that the people who killed her son were held responsible and linda, the prosecutor from cobb county who came here to put on this case talked about what the jury had to do and what they saw when it came to the evidence. >> after we picked the jury, we looked at them and realized that we had very, very smart, very intelligent, honest jurors who were going to do their job, which is to seek the truth. and so we felt that putting up our case, it didn't matter whether they were black or white, that putting up our case, this jury would hear the truth,
see the evidence and that they would to the right thing and come back with the correct verdict. >> jessica, when you think about this, when that woman stepped out of court yesterday, they were cheering for her. never seen that for a prosecutor before. when it comes to this case, it comes down to the cell phone video that was captured by one of the defendants. that's what really started this whole conversation. one of his lawyers leaked that video thinking it was going to help in terms of calming the community down. it only did the reverse. so many people saw what they didn't want to see, which is three people chasing that one unarmed man. you have federal charge, sentencing. this will take place over the next few months. >> more to come on this, ryan young. thanks to you. and joining us now is marilyn moosby and joey jackson, a criminal defense attorney. happy thanksgiving. thanks for making time for us today. marilyn, i want to start with you and the defense in this case
for the three men, their lawyers say they're going to appeal. at what point do you think that has any chances of being successful? >> so, now that they've been convicted of these murder charges and they're facing life, we know that the judge will ulti ultimately decide whether or not he's going to impose parole. the defendants will likely appeal. they'll allege that the judge committed some form of error in excluding certain evidence at trial, which they'll argue is necessary for their defense. in this particular case, i believe they sought to introduce ahmaud arbery's criminal record. there was, they sought to introduce the fact that he was on pro bagprobation at the time was killed. there were reports of his mental health they wanted to introduce and they were even seeking to introduce the use of force expert that the judge denied. so i don't think that either any of that was relevant to the case. but i do think that in the end, we will determine whether they'll prevail on the appeal and i don't think that it will.
>> right. and joey, it's unclear when the sentencing and all this was going to be, but all three of these men are facing minimum sentences of life in prison and the judge will decide whether that comes with or without the possibility of parole. how do you see this playing out? >> good to be with you and marilyn as well. you know, wow, what a day yesterday was and what a day this whole thing, weeks, this has been. you know, i think it plays out in significant ways and what i mean by that is i certainly think they will be appropriately sentenced to life in prison and then let's not forget on the backdrop of that, as it plays out and they are sentenced, we have the federal charges. the federal charges of course having to do and being predicated upon the defendants chasing down and otherwise det detaining ahmaud arbery. so i think the federal government has an imperative to move forward sometime late winter, early spring, february,
march or so. i think he'll be held accountable. it's really interesting to talk about this in the context of how we got here. this was not a case initially we should really be reminding everyone of. remember the first da, jackie johnson, essentially ordered that there not be an arrest, right? and now she's facing an indictment on her own. then after that, another prosecutor, jordan barnhill, wrote a memo ranrandum saying is perfectly legal. saying something's wrong here and the people coming together, getting a look and getting that measure of justice. just an incredible civics lesson all the way around. the power lies always with the people. >> it is incredible to think we almost didn't get to this point, but for so many other things happening. people rising up and saying something is wrong here and there needs to be justice. marilyn, joey there talked about
the federal charges and the federal trial that's going to be moving forward soon. a key piece of evidence from the first trial was the 911 tape from greg mcmichael and the operator asks, what's your emergency. mcmichael replies a black male is running down the street. in your opinion, may rrilyn, is this a pretty cut and dry case of the fact this was racially motivated or you know, how will they expand on that? moving forward in this federal case? >> so, i think it's going to be really important now that they have been charged with these federal hate crimes for the federal government to successfully prosecute these cha charges, it has to prove that the interference of his civil rights were motivated by race. it came out in the state's case with the 911 call, but it's got to go beyond that. what we know is there was a basis for gregory mcmichael's concern that not only was a
black man running down the street, but we know when it came to mr. bryan, he could have testified. he didn't take the stand, which is why this didn't come out, but at the time that travis mcmichael stood over after he killed ahmaud arbery, he stood over his body and called him the n-word. that evidence didn't come in in the state case because mr. bryan never took the stand so he was never cross examined. however, if i'm the prosecution, clearly this is the type of evidence where there's an explicit remark made that reveals the animus for black people. i'd be looking to give mr. bryan some sort of deal to have him take the stand to use that statement against the mcmichaels. >> and quickly, before we go, joey, i want to get the last question to you. you talked about just what it took to get to this point. and we're reminded that the former prosecutor in glenn county, jackie johnson, was indicted on charges of oath of
public office for directing two county police officers to not even arrest travis mcmichael. what happens next to her and also what does it say that this could have just gotten swept under the rug so easily? it didn't, thank goodness, but it could have. >> yeah, jessica, great question. i think that again, a testament to people moving forward with regard to what happened with her case, she'll be held accountable, as she should be. the standard to arrest someone we should remind everyone is there probably cause to believe they committed a crime. not if they're guilty, you have all evidence, documents, not you're ready to go and they're guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, it's a very low standard. based upon that, it was every reason that she would order that arrest and the defendants in the case, not be out for two and a half months really before they're brought to justice, but right then. so she of course was being indicted for violating her oath of office. she has an obligation to that community to do her job and not
to curry favor and not to otherwise, you know, give people opportunities that not everyone else gets. so she'll be prosecuted for that then the opening question is not only should she be prosecuted, but also mr. barnhill for indicating later on that it was perfectly legal, this behavior, that now three defendants are going to spend the rest of their life in jail, he writes a memorandum to that effect. so there could and should be an investigation into his conduct. so i think that's what they can expect moving forward. we can also expect the federal case and to marilyn's excellent point regarding the racial animus, i think they will not only use that n-word, but there's some indication there are text messages around these three where they're saying things that are you know, really not for television and i think that will come up in that case, too, because it goes to state of mind and it goes to demonstrate what their motivations are. so a lot to come here, jessica. >> marilyn and joey, again,
happy thanksgiving and thanks for being with us. >> thank you so much. yesterday's verdict of course bringing a giant sigh of relief and answered prayers for arbery's family and with us now for more on this is global human rights leader, martin luther king iii. mr. king, thanks so much for being with us today. i want to ask you first what does this verdict in this southern georgia city mean to you and really mean for all americans this afternoon? >> i don't like to use the term victory, but i certainly feel that as it relates to the arbery family, you know, wanda cooper jones and marcus arbery, it certainly represented justice for them. i think the bigger question is this, this, while this is momentarily victorious, if we have to look at cases generally,
i would say that most cases, this result does not occur. in fact, you know, wanda jones yesterday stated, his mom, that there are many mothers who will not get or have not gotten justice. and they must continue to hold on and continue to endure. and perhaps that can come sometimes. i still think our system, we call it a criminal justice system. but it is a criminal system, but it is yet not proven. yesterday, it proved that it can be a justice system, but generally as it relates to the african african american community, the black and brown community, justice is not achieved. that means work needs to be done to the system. >> and during the trial, we saw one defense attorney repeatedly
villainizing the presence of black pastors. another lawyer sparking outrage with comments about arbery's legs and toenails. were you surprised by those attacks? were you concerned they would work or resonate with the jury? what was your thought about some of those things that were said? >> actually, i didn't know. i was not surprised. i was greatly disappointed that our system and our society and our judicial, not judicial, excuse me, legal people would use defense attorneys this kind of strategy. it just goes to show again where we are in this country. you're trying to paint someone as inhumane and so there again is where work has, a defense lawyer could have come up with additional or different strategies. you don't have to go, you don't have to go to the gutter. that's exactly what she did.
she went to the gutter. it's greatly disappointing, but certainly not unexpected. >> and faith was such a vital component in your father and mother's justice. it was a key component for arbery's family. they prayed about this moment. as you think about this case and what it means to be black in america, you talk about the criminal justice system and the reforms you want to see. what role does faith play in all of that moving forward? >> well, faith in our tradition has been tremendous and you know, what happened, one of the things we saw was we saw several different evangelists, not just christians, but had christian, muslims, jews. you had a number of people coming to the table and praying. pray does consistently show and makes a difference. i think our biggest challenge, one of the biggest challenges we have to accomplish in this
country is again, creating a true, just, criminal system that works for everyone. and not just working for some or for those who are wealthy. >> right. right. martin luther king iii, thank you so much for your time. appreciate it. happy thanksgiving. >> same to you. thank you so much. >> thank you. we have seen a surge in violent air passengers and now the justice department is jumping in. assaults and wild behavior at 30,000 feet. plus, more high-end stores hit in new smash and grab robberies over the past 24 hours. why does this keep happening? and president biden revealing he had a potentially pre-cancerous polyp removed during a recent colonoscopy. what the white house had to say about that. you're in the "cnn newsroom."
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the tsa screened more people yesterday than on any other day since the start of the pandemic. more than 2.3 million people passed through the check points. the seventh straight day of more than 2 million passengers and with the surge in volume, a spike in unruly passengers. pete, now the justice department stepping in on this. >> that's right, jessica. the head of the association of flight attendants, sarah nelson, says it is about time these ugly, unruly passengers face prison time and attorney general merrick garland is now directing u.s. attorneys to prioritize
these cases. because remember the issue here. the federal aviation administration, which oversees the skies, cannot press criminal charges. it can only assess civil fines when this problem is really off the charts. look at the numbers. 5300 reports of unruly incidents to the faa. the faa has initiated enforcement action in 266 of those cases, has referred 37 of the most extreme cases to the department of justice and then those passengers could face prison time. so there's a pretty big disparity between reports and referral to the doj. merrick garland says quote, passengers who assault, intimidate or threaten violence against flight crews do more than harm employees. they prevent the performance of critical duties that help ensure safe air travel. garland also says that there is a partnership between the faa and the doj. they're sharing more information all the time. the faa just announced a new
slew of fines for unruly passengers including $40,000 for a passenger accused of allegedly sexually assaulting a flight attendant. this is a really big problem and it's happening as so many people are coming back to air travel. 2.3 million people screened just yesterday and it seems those numbers will only go up from here. sunday after thanksgiving's typically the biggest when everybody comes home all at once. >> it's been outrageous what people are doing on these airplanes. pete, thanks so much. also hitting the skies this morning, the iconic balloons and new friends during macy's thanksgiving day parade. the tradition returning to the streets of new york city with an estimated 2.5 million people along the route and of course millions more watching at home. remember last year, everyone had to watch from home given the pandemic. back in person though this year, which is great. another reason to be thankful
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in california, the search is on for thieves behind two new smash and grab robberies overnight. one happened at an apple store in the bay area where suspects grabbed more than $20,000 worth of goods. the other, where robbers assaulted and pepper sprayed a nordstrom security guard before making off with thousands of dollars of expensive handbags. camilla is live in los angeles following this story for us and police are calling these orga organized shoplifting groups. what's going on here? >> that's really the million dollar question and in part, some of these police departments
don't see these cases as a priority and at the same time, you're seeing a huge market for these stolen goods. i'm actually in santa rosa in the bay area and in the case here, we know at least four people went into this mall and came out with about $20,000 worth of apple products. unfortunately, we're talking about teenagers because the police department here saying they were ages 14 to 18. it happened in the middle of the day, with shoppers, with staff, and yet they were able to come out of the mall, get into a car and get away. now in los angeles, we know there are several of these incidents that are also being investigated. the one you mentioned at the nordstrom, authorities believe at least five people were involved in that one, one wearing an orange wig. lapd says they're investigating and increasing patrols. that's something we're seeing here in the bay area as well. i saw many officers surrounding the luxury stores. in san francisco, we're talking about the nordstrom, the
bloomingdales, louis vuitton. this is really an ongoing issue here in the bay area with san francisco police saying they will watch hours and hours of surveillance video trying to figure out who these people are in order to make arrests. then this gets passed on to the district attorney. he is a controversial figure, f facing a recall and says he wants to hold people accountable, but adding it's up to the judges. it's getting passed on and in the meantime, we're seeing more and more of these incidents happening as we continue to watch on social media and surveillance video. >> seems like a new one every day. for more on these brazen robbery, i want to bring in former commissioner of the philadelphia police department, charles ramsey. great to have you with us. thanks for being here and happy thanksgiving. >> same to you.
>> there's been dozens of these takeover robberies in recent weeks. why do you think this is happening? what is causing this? is it something that these kids, these teenagers are doing because it seems like a cool thing to do or what's causing this? >> well, it's really hard to say what's causing it, but they're very hard to guard against. we had something similar to this happen in philadelphia a few years ago. we called them flash mobs where groups of mostly young people would just rush into a macy's or other large department store, steal as much they can then run back out. we found these things were being organized on social media and many of the kids we locked up add no prior criminal history at all. so what's driving it, i really don't know, but police need to pay attention to social media. that could be a way in which they're organizing. in many jurisdictions, you know,
theft like that just didn't treated seriously. it's still considered a misdemeanor. when you have organized shoplifting like that, when you have large groups going into these stores, it ought to be a felony. it's going to get worse before it gets better. >> right. on that note, it seems like there doesn't seem to be a consequence in a lot of these situations or if it is, to your point, it's treated as a misdemeanor, which isn't acting as a deterrent, clearly. do you get the sense there just really isn't any, enough of a consequence? >> well, there's not enough of a consequence and we're starting to see more and more of that. listen, i understand where people are in a store and steal food because they can't feed their families. that's not what this is. i mean, stealing louis vuitton bags has nothing to do with your poverty or inability to feed your family or anything like that. it's just flat out theft is what it is. and when people do that sort of
thing, they need to have some consequences that they'll face at some point in time. it can't be just a slap on the wrist because it affects all of us. these stores just pass on the loss to consumers and it's going to get worse. we're entering now into the very heavy shopping season so you're going to see more of this. so police need to be on guard. it is difficult, but the way we were able to stop it in philly, we really paid close attention to social media. we reached out to parents to make sure they were paying attention to what their kids were doing because a lot of these young people did not have criminal records and we got calls from parents telling us, hey, they're planning on doing something and we were able to have people there to stop it. >> yeah, very interesting. charles ramsey, thanks so much for your insight. appreciate it. the first family relieving a hopeful thanksgiving message for the country. plus, president biden's potential check up reveals a potential cancer scare.
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nantucket where they're spending thanksgiving with their family. cnn's jeff szellny is there lif. what was the president's message to the members? >> they spent about an hour or so talking virtually to members of the six branches of service. really serving all around the world. the army, navy, air force, marines and of course the space force as well as the coast guard, really expressing their gratitude for their service, but as the president left this meeting, he also had these word to say about these coast guard members. >> i've been all over the world and watched these people. watched them in the south china sea, in afghanistan, iraq, where ever they are, people wonder what america is, they look and they see them. that's who they see. they don't see us here. they see them. and they make me proud. >> so certainly he says that these armed forces are the, you
know, exemplify what it means to the world. this is his first visit to nantucket as commander in chief. he's been coming here for four decades, but mainly the family is spending time here on out, a bit of a holiday break before a busy month of december when he's trying to get the rest of his agenda enacted. >> we're also getting new details about the president's recent physical exam. what have you learned there? >> the white house releasing a letter last evening. a bit unusual to release a letter like this on the eve of thanksgiving with his doctor saying there was a precancerous polyp discovered last week during his physical. the doctor said this was similar to something he had in 2008 right before becoming vice
president. it seems to be routine, but again, they're issuing this about a week after the physical. of course, he's 79 years old now, the oldest serving u.s. president. >> that's right. very pretty there in nantucket. have a great thanksgiving. >> it is. you, too, my friend. >> thanks. i want to bring in dr. matthew now, a primary care physician out of atlanta. great to see you. happy thanksgiving. let's get your thoughts on the removal of that polyp for president biden. >> yeah, happy thanksgiving to you, jessica. the keyword as jeff mentioned is that that pit was precancerous. the colin onoscopy prevents can. men, 45%, will have a polyp like president biden's. it is benign, but the not removed, over time, it can
transform into cancer and also for women, 15 to 25% of women at screening colonoscopies can have these. so bottom line, president biden's results should make us realize even if we don't have symptoms of abdominal pain or blood, you must get a colonoscopy at age 45 to prevent cancer down the road. >> now to the covid pandemic. of course, right now as we speak, families, friends getting together for thanksgiving. we've got more holidays ahead. but we're also seeing covid cases going up across the country. what are your thoughts on how to do all of this in a safe way? because i also know a lot of people are saying okay, i'm vaccinated, may be boost. am i in the clear? obviously it's very different between vaccinated people and unvaccinated people. >> yeah, that's right.
listen, the good news first. thank god for vaccines. a lot of families are able to reunite this year. i wasn't able to get together with my extended family last year, but i plan on doing it this afternoon and for christmas thankfully because we're boosted and vaccinated, but unfortunately, the cases are climbing back up again. we're almost at hundred thousand daily covid cases and just as you mentioned, just because people are tired of the pandemic doesn't mean that the pandemic is done with us. unfortunately, as people travel and get together, more people will fall sick and more people will die, but today, this evening as we celebrate thanksgiving, if a lot of people are vaccinated and boostered, you can basically take the masks off. if a lot of people in the mixed, you don't know the results, you still have to be careful. maybe make it an outdoor event if you can and get that ventilation, but it's really important for us to realize the pandemic is not done with us.
>> yeah. unfortunately, and you're right. i think everybody's so done with it, but it is not done with us. i want to share some numbers from the cdc right now. the latest prediction, a death toll of up to 822,000 by december 18th. that would be an increase of about 50,000 lives lost and hospitalizations increasing as much as 12,600 by december 17th. a 20% jump from now. those are very sobering numbers. what are you biggest concerns as we head into both the winter and then also the holiday season? >> you know, about 40% of america is still unvaccinated. we have not hit that threshold where we could see cases plummet and stay down for a long period of time. we always talk about cases. i think it's important for our viewers to also realize we can't even talk about containing this virus until we get below 5,000 daily cases and over 1,000 people are dying. and listen to this statistic,
jessica. since the vaccines have been rolling outside, more americans have died unvaccinated and i think ultimately, you know, i don't want to sound like the typical, boring medical analyst on tv, get vaccinated, get boostered, but i think one thing we really need to consider is to throw a philosophical angle into this. as we celebrate thanksgiving, where do you want to be in five years? do you want to be alive? do you want to suffer from long covid or do you want to feel like you can dodge covid-19 without getting vaccinated? this virus is here to stay. the only way we can convert it to an endemic virus is to get vaccinated and make it more like the flu as opposed to the deadly covid. >> yeah. vac vaccinations make all the different. thank you so much for being with us. >> happy thanksgiving. >> you, too. former president trump's attorneys have a new argument as they attempt to stop the january 6 commission from looking into
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a new court filing from former president trump's legal team is making an unusual argument. the january 6th committee in its legal fight for trump's white house records could cause lasting damage to the presidency. here's part of their filing. quote, the appellee's clear disdain for president trump is leading them to a course of action that result in permanent damage to the institution of presidency, end quote. let's discuss now with norm eisen. norm, great to see you. happy thanksgiving. let's talk about president trump's legal team. they're making the case the january 6th committee could permanently damage the presidency. do you see any legal merit to that claim? >> jessica, thanks for having me back. happy thanksgiving to you. and the permanent damage to the
presidency that was done was when ex-president trump incited an insurrection on january 6th to attack his own government. the disclosure that congress is seeking here has the exact opposite effect, jessica, of what trump is arguing in his papers as is so often the case the truth is the opposite. getting these documents out will advance the interests of the presidency by helping congress to legislate and prevent this from ever happening again. >> right. and on tuesday a federal appeals court plans to hear legal arguments on the trump administration records, specifically on whether it has the authority to rule on trump's effort to executive privilege here and essentially block their release. what do you see coming out of that? >> well, we only have one president at a time in the
united states. this case, what will be heard by the december circuit, the appeals court this week, is really about the question about whether a former president can continue to have powers to block congress from learning information about their time in office. and i think the law is clear, and the court will rule, no, ex-president trump can't do that anymore than he could take a portrait of george washington or the resolute desk out of the white house. he can't control these papers. that's up to joe biden. that's the critical issue, and donald trump is going to lose as he's done so many times before in court. >> and just to give people who are watching kind of a bigger -- big picture view of all this, norm, how -- how normal is it for this sort of legal activity to be going on? obviously the insurrection we've never seen before. president trump did a bunch of things we've never seen before.
but in terms of this legal argument that's playing out, what they're trying to do with these records, where does that fall kind of on the spectrum of what we've seen before, or have we seen anything like this before? >> well, in one aspect it's unprecedented. we've never seen a current president and a former president butt heads like this and disagree over the release of information. but, you know, just because nobody's ever argued it before doesn't mean it's a good argument, jessica. there's a reason why no one's ever tried it before. it's a dead loser. that brings us to the thing we have seen over and over again. and that is donald trump bringing bogus frivolous legal arguments to lose a series of court battles but win the war by delaying as when i worked on the impeachment and he stalled his losses in the court cases we
brought. that is disturbingly normal, but it seems he's not getting away with it here. the courts have been moving with lightening speed. good thing for the sake of accountability and our democracy. >> right. and not letting that delay tactic work. thank you so much and happy thanksgiving. >> thanks, jessica. happy thanksgiving. more people are traveling and for those passengers behaving badly, they're about to face harsher penalties for acting up in the skies. ♪ ♪ grandma, how wide are two reindeer? twenty-seven, twenty-eight, twenty-nine... ♪ ♪ we've been waiting all year to come together...
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