tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN November 19, 2021 9:00pm-10:00pm PST
good evening. tonight, the impact of the not-guilty verdict in killings that never should have happened. there is no debate about that. and tried under local and national pressures that amplified every aspect of the case in the duel tragedies at the heart of it. first, the kill of jacob blake by police in kenosha, wisconsin last summer. then, the violent unrest which followed that drew 17-year-old kyle rittenhouse to the scene with an ar-15 style rifle which he ended up using to shoot and kill two men and wound another. two tragedies that brought us here made rittenhouse a right-wing folk hero, social justice villain and fueled no end to debate over vigilante justice, gun rights, race, and policing. in short, everything jurors were supposed to ignore as they considered the evidence and applied the law and reached their decision. here is president biden's reaction shortly after the
verdict. >> i stand by what the jury has concluded. the jury system works. and we have to abide by it. >> in a moment our own legal and political team weighs in on the trial and the issues it raises. we will also hear from a witness for the prosecution that was there that night. first, cnn's sara sidner. >> reporter: kyle rittenhouse now a free man. >> not guilty. >> reporter: overcome as the jury acquitted him on all five counts in his homicide trial. >> is there anyone who does not agree with the verdicts as read? >> reporter: defense attorney mark richards saying the wait for a verdict had been torture but his client is relieved. >> he wants to get on with his life. um, he has a huge sense of relief for what the jury did to him today. um, he wishes none of this would have ever happened. but as he said when he testified, he did not start this.
>> reporter: the prosecutor responding, while we are disappointed with the verdict, it must be respected. the family of one of the victims -- anthony huber -- saying we are heartbroken and angry. >> we love you, hanna. >> reporter: huber's girlfriend spoke outside the court. >> we know that this system is a failure. i think the question that most of us are feeling right now is what can we do next? >> reporter: the governor has called for calm as a small crowd in kenosha continues to react to the news. >> that young man is a -- a -- a man among men. >> guilty! >> reporter: a spokesman for the rittenhouse family echoed the plea for peace. >> the family calls for calm, call for calm. i mean, this was not an injustice. >> reporter: the unanimous decision did not come swiftly. weighing a life sentence for 18-year-old rittenhouse, the jury deliberated for almost
four-full days before delivering the verdict. >> it is for you to determine whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty of each of the offenses. >> reporter: the jury ultimately had to answer one question. did rittenhouse kill two men and maim another as a form of vigilante justice or self-defense? the defense seized on the testimony of gaige grosskreutz. video shows rittenhouse shot and destroyed grosskreutz's right bicep in the melee. >> when you were standing three to five feet from him with your arms up in the air, he never fired, right? >> correct. >> it wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him with your gun, your hands down pointed at him that he fired, right? >> correct. >> sara, i know you are also learning more about what when the jury signed off on certain
verdicts? >> yeah, it's really interesting. these are the jury verdict sheets that i am holding up. um, and taking a look at them, what you notice is that the second day of deliberations they had made a decision of not guilty on a couple cases. the killing of anthony huber, they had decided was -- kyle rittenhouse was not guilty on. and in the case of this unidentified man that was killed jump-kick man in the case. that there was a not guilty verdict there. there was a gun rittenhouse shot off his gun, he missed but put in him in danger. so there were not guilty the second day. and then, the third day they had decided that gaige grosskreutz, who you heard from there, a not-guilty verdict in the shooting of him. it wasn't until today, the fourth day of deliberations, that they really got down and decided, okay, we now think that he is not guilty -- kyle rittenhouse is not guilty for
the shooting and killing of joseph rosenbaum and the endangering of a reporter who was near him at the time. um, so clearly, they took longer to decide whether or not kyle rittenhouse was guilty of the killing of joseph rosenbaum, who was the first person, by the way, who was killed that night by kyle rittenhouse. the jury deciding that, indeed, on all five counts, kyle rittenhouse was not guilty and is a free man tonight. >> sara sidner, appreciate it. by the way, i said jacob blake was killed by police. that is inaccurate. he was shot and partially paralyzed. cnn local analyst, laura coates, van jones, cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney, paul callan. and cnn chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. jeffrey, you surprised at the verdict at all given how this case unfolded? >> not really. this was always a tough case for the prosecution. i thought the reckless endangerment case was the strongest one that the -- the least serious count.
um, the -- the -- the unfortunate message that -- of vindication that making a hero of -- of kyle rittenhouse is appalling. but the actual verdict in this courtroom, based on this evidence, is a defensible one i think. >> sara sidner's -- i mean, you heard sara sidner's report. the jury returned a full verdict today. i mean, the whole argument of his -- which seems to be the prosecution' argument, which was by his very being there, he was provoking things. and therefore, the -- the self-defense doesn't apply. but clearly, the jury said they didn't buy that. >> and -- and there were problems with the prosecution theory. think of the three people that he shot. um, rosenbaum chased him. >> right. attacking with a skateboard. >> the other one attacked him with a skateboard. the third -- the one we saw on -- in sara's piece, pulled a gun on him. those are potential grounds for self-defense. that is not a terrible self-defense case and that's what the jury believed.
>> laura, how much do you think the defense prevailed versus the prosecution failed here? >> well, the prosecution, because they have the burden of proof and the burden of persuasion has to be noted to have failed. but remember, a lot of the defense witnesses came in. of course, kyle rittenhouse was the person who was most compelling but as jeffrey noted, the person who was the sole survivor of this particular altercation actually held up as a government witness. but his testimony was to the benefit of the defense because he presented some compelling reason by which some could reasonably believe kyle rittenhouse was in fear for his life. the most boring aspect of any trial or jury trial and certainly in watching them all unfold but the jury instructions is what actually i think dictated this particular verdict. remember, on the self-defense notion, they were instructed they had to view it not with the hindsight of who they are sitting today, objectively. but instead, through someone who has an ordinary intelligence and somebody who was in kyle rittenhouse's position. judging it that way. and as far as the notion of whether he provoked it, i think it is a failing argument in the a culture like wisconsin or any other state where you have a pretty lively gun culture does not equate itself with being criminal. just possession alone does not
make you a criminal of -- for gun ownership. but the idea here was they had to thread a very thin needle here. the idea of not alienating gun owners but also saying his presence alone with the gun was not going to be enough to be provocation. and i think they had a really steep battle and climb for the prosecution for that reason. and the low threshold for self-defense in wisconsin. >> defense attorney said it wasn't a close call whether to put him on the stand. also interesting, he said they basically had mock juries and they tried with one jury, no rittenhouse on the stand. the other, with him on the stand. and they always did better with rittenhouse on the stand. so wasn't even a close call. >> that doesn't really surprise me, anderson. you know, i hear a lot about defense attorneys never put their clients on the stand but in truth, if you have a client who does not have a prior-criminal record and self-defense is the key issue in the case, most often you will put him on the stand because you
have got to convince the jury that he acted properly in using deadly-physical force. and this testing with mock juries -- very interesting. usually, defendants obviously don't have the kind of money to mount that kind of a project. but it's very valuable information for attorneys to see how jurors would react. and of course, these jurors bought self-defense, hook, line, and sinker. they had plenty of opportunities because you had multiple victims to say, well, maybe it was self-defense in one case but not in the others but they stood back and looked at this entire fact pattern and said, you know something? each time he encountered somebody, he acted in self-defense. >> and another reason prosecutor -- defense lawyers don't put their clients on the stand usually is that they have made false statements. they have lied to various people about what went on. kyle rittenhouse didn't really lie to anyone of -- there -- there were a few small things. but not any -- of any substance. and the idea that he went to the
police right away, um, was -- was helpful to him. >> van, president biden today said, quote, the jury system works and we have to abide by it. do you agree with that? and i'm wondering what your message is to those out there who see this verdict as unjust? >> well, um, i -- i do respect the jury system and i -- i appreciate what the president had to say. but there was a reason that people are upset. and it's that there is a bigger context here. um, this idea of white vigilante violence is something that we have to wrestle with and it may not be -- be done in one single court case but we have got a pattern now. where white men feel that they have the right to enforce the law, themselves. when you look at ahmaud arbery. when you look at this case. when you look at trayvon martin. when you look at the white mob that attacked the capitol. that somehow, there is a group of people that thinks they have the right to take the law into
their own hand, they can leave their home with guns and enforce their vision of the law on other people. that is a big problem. and whatever we could say here talking about the legalities of it, there is a context right now on social media. the people who are celebrating this -- many of them are just good folks who believe in gun rights. but there is a dark edge of people celebrating this that see this as a green light for this type of activity. and i think we have got to take a good look in the mirror now. do we want to, in total, continue to allow and to encourage this activity from only one section of society? you don't see other groups going out with guns and posing their vision of the law on other people. but this group continues to. >> this is why i have always thought the criminal justice system is a lousy way of, um, creating or even explaining social change. because the -- the mission of the criminal justice system is so narrow.
the only issue in this case was did kyle rittenhouse commit these specific crimes? they didn't address the larger question because it wasn't the jury's job of what was he doing there, in the first place? and should 17-year-olds or anyone be running to situations like this with guns and trying to enforce the law on their own? that is a horrible thing. that is -- led to this tragedy. but that's not what the jury was deciding and that's the paradox of this case. >> we are going to pick this up after the break. we are going to speak to a trial witness about the video he took. and. later, president biden's first annual physical. what it reveals about some conditions you might have noticed and wondered about whether that's all that throat clearing or the way he sometimes walks, we will be joined by dr. sanjay gupta. ♪ there are beautiful ideas that remain in the dark.
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but only, really that question. video was at the center of the trial and was used by both the prosecution and defense to make their cases. cory washington took the stand about this video he shot of rittenhouse running past a crowd carrying a fire extinguisher. and this video, where you can hear the shots that killed joseph rosenbaum. joining us now is cory washington. so, cory, i am wondering what your reaction to the verdict is? >> um, well, my reaction is, you know, a lot of people, including myself, i guess kind of figured it would go this way. um, you know, there was a sliver of, i suppose, hope or a chance that people thought or i -- i thought that maybe there would be -- maybe even a lesser charge convicted. but, you know, there -- and in
the back of my mind, i kind of figured things would go this way. >> you testified during the trial. i'm wondering what sort of impact you think your testimony and video may have had? >> i'm -- i'm -- honestly, i'm not too sure what the input of my testimony would have had on -- on the jury there. you know? there was a few key things i was asked about. um, you know, how i felt being around the -- the defendant, kyle rittenhouse, at the time, things i noticed about him. yeah. so -- >> i mean, that was actually -- that was my next question, which is, you know, since so much of this was about was his very presence provocative to people around, what was your impression when you saw him? >> so, my impression when i saw him, like i said on the stand, was he seemed like a -- a -- a young, nervous person.
in a situation that he -- he didn't -- he didn't come off as someone that was necessarily, um, attached to anyone there. whether it be the -- the larger group of i guess you would say counter-protestors or militia-type members or people looking to protect their property. or the people that were there to protest or, um, you know. so, to me, he stood out, especially what he was wearing. having, you know, the ar-15 with him. but then, like i mentioned, the blue gloves and the chain smoking. you know, in a situation that we were in, little things like that definitely stand out. um, you know, when -- when things are -- >> did -- did he present himself as a medic? i mean, did -- what -- you know, in your video, he has a fire extinguisher at one point. um, what was your impression of -- of who he was?
>> as far as i knew, i didn't look at him as a medic. i kind of -- every -- i honestly didn't look at anyone that was there as a medic, personally. um, now after the fact, you know, there is video of him saying, you know, asking for medical. so i mean, if that's what he claims he was doing, you know, that's what it is. but me being there on the ground, i didn't see any of that, personally. and it kind of really seemed like people were more focused on, um, stopping people there doing things that they didn't like opposed to trying to help people that were injured. >> hmm. did -- were you -- when you saw him there, did you -- were you concerned about him? i mean, were you frightened of him? i mean, he's a young man walking around with a weapon. >> to be fair, a situation like that, you know, you kind of have your -- you have heightened awareness already. you are looking around. any person in that situation could potentially be someone
that is doing someone to harm or to help you. you never really know in a situation like that. it's so much lawlessness kind of going on at the time. um, but overall, i -- the grasp that i got from, you know, just the general area and what was going on was that, you know, there wasn't really a need for, you know, people to involve themselves in the situation because, overall, the police seemed to have things under control to -- to a certain extent. um, now, of course there was things that could have been stopped but, you know, at a certain extent, it's up to the police. that's why we pay for the police and that's why they're on the scene and arrived on the scene as quickly as they did. >> cory washington, appreciate your time tonight. thank you. back with me now, our
analysts. paul, for you how important was the video footage of what happened to rittenhouse's claims of defense? >> well, the video was critical because i think the -- the jury in the case -- you know, juries look for heroes and villains when they are looking at a criminal case. and you are going to find in favor of the hero and against the villains. well, you know, this case, they all looked like villains on this -- on this terrible night in kenosha. it was a dark, dystopic sort of scene where people are burning things, breaking things and he puts himself in the middle of all of this. rosenbaum threatens to kill him. threatens to rip people's hearts out and then jumps in his direction. he shoots rosenbaum. he is, next, encountered by, you know, a man with a handgun who says he is a medic and that's grosskreutz.
grosskreutz, as he was lowering his hand, aims the gun at the head of our defendant in this case. somebody else strikes him with a skateboard using it like a baseball bat. and there is even somebody named jump-kick man who the prosecutor tried to minimize his role by saying he only kicked him in the head. so, where -- where are the heroes and where are the villains? they are all villains. nobody -- he didn't belong in the street that night. and these other people who were doing damage -- they weren't true protestors. the protestors had been there the two-previous nights. there was a night of villainy, really, in kenosha and i think the jury, when they looked at it, um, they decided, you know, he really -- his life was in danger. and he acted in self-defense. and i think we make a big mistake if we make this into a morality play about white power or vigilanteism or anything else. i mean, the -- the victims here
were, as far as i can tell, all whites and they were all shot by a white kid who, by the way, had his head patted by the police and they gave him water, essentially saying you are a good kid for coming out here to try to defend kenosha. >> oh but come on, paul. you really think he is a good kid? i'm telling -- do you think the cops were right? >> i am not telling you he is a good kid. he is a bad kid. but the police -- the police handed these kids with guns water and encouraged them. >> yeah. >> so what's a 17-year-old kid going to think? >> that's not even the -- the -- >> laura, go ahead. >> let me say the part that i think was the attaboy that people responded to during the trial was the testimony of kyle rittenhouse when he said that he approached the officers, told him i just shot someone and they said, eventually, go home. go home, go home. and he did. that was the part that i think people will a visceral reaction to even within this particular trial. but remember, one of the main parts of the justice system, obviously, is we prosecute with an eye towards deterring future crimes. and here, because there is an
acquittal, there is a valuable -- a viable concern at this point that people might look at what this acquittal means to them and project that they are able to now be on the scene of a protest, of any unlawful behavior, and then usurp the role of law enforcement in the event they don't think the law is doing enough to actually stop it. and i think that -- >> let her finish. let her finish. let her finish. >> i'm sorry. >> go ahead. >> people have to look at this issue and say to themselves, hold on. kyle rittenhouse's acquittal is not a carte blanche for a blank check for you to now go out with an ar-15 and try to be present at protests or people who have hijacked protests for whatever reason, and try to usurp the role of law enforcement. every case is different. this one came down to, to around an question, the idea of while the rest of the nation was looking at this and seeing for the first time the perception of chaos. this jury pool was picked from the community of kenosha and they also remember what happened not too long ago for them. they don't have amnesia.
they don't have to recall from long periods of time. they themselves may have felt the same level of perception of chaos. they may themselves have even armed themselves in events like this and remember the curfew, et cetera. i say all this not to excuse kyle rittenhouse for being there but because the people of kenosha in this juror pool clearly were not persuaded by the idea of his presence, alone, somehow was provocative given the full context of things. but i go right back -- finally, anderson, i go right back to the jury instruction that said that if it was -- it can be reasonable, even if mistaken. if -- if that's the result, then that is the verdict. >> van, one of the -- the prosecutors in the case told the jury before deliberations, quote, so many people look at this case and see what they want to see, unquote. i think that's certainly true. it's probably true in many cases. certainly, the jury took their time and did seem to -- i mean, we don't -- we haven't heard from the jurors, themselves.
but, you know, it took them a number of days. it wasn't an immediate reaction. you know, they seem to have done their job and took this seriously. >> look. i don't think anybody is criticizing the jury. again, president biden, himself, called on the country to respect the -- the verdict. um, i think the problem is you can't find anything this kid did that was wrong? he is standing out there with an -- a gun he is not legally allowed to have. there is no gun charge? i know kids who are doing time right now in los angeles for gun charges. you can't find one thing? he wasn't jay walking? you can't find anything this kid did thats was wrong? and so, what you are now saying is everything he did from the point of view of the criminal law is okay. and laura is correct. you can look on social media right now. there are people who are taking this as a green light. that it is okay to bring guns to protests to -- to play cops and you have to take it on both sides. if you -- if you -- if he has a
reasonable defense on self-defense, that has been decided by the jury. but -- but there is a problem here when a kid can do this much harm and get no -- and get in trouble not at all and you got a bunch of other kids in jail who done very little compared to him. >> van jones, laura coates, paul callan, jeffrey toobin, i appreciate it. thank you. just ahead, we will examine the potential fallout of the jury's decision, what it may mean for the next confrontation to van's point involving folks showing up with weapons to protests with or any kind of public demonstration with two law enforcement authorities, ahead. ♪ superpowers from a spider bite? i could use some help showing the world how liberty mutual customizes their car insurance so they only pay for what they need. (gasps) ♪ did it work? only pay for what you need ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ spider-man no way home in theaters december 17th
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still undetermined after the kyle rittenhouse verdict is the legacy of this jury's decision and what it means for future protests, armed vigilantes, and legal and law enforcement officials who have to police a nation deeply divided over the meaning of today's events. two perspectives now, cnn law enforcement analyst charles ramsey, former d.c. police chief and philadelphia police commissioner. and nancy gertner, former federal judge who is now senior lecturer at harvard law school. judge gertner, i am wondering what you made of the verdict? >> i wasn't surprised. like your other analysts have been, i also was not surprised but what's troubling is the -- not so much the fact that the jury reached this verdict but the implications of it. it's almost as if the justification to use -- when you
carry a gun, it sort of justifies using it. so much of this case was rittenhouse responding to people trying to take the gun away from him, which could as much be trying to disarm him as to threaten him. so the implications for other cases are very serious. that is troubling. >> chief ramsey, what -- what's your reaction to both the verdict and from a law enforcement perspective about any message it may send to -- to others who might want to come armed to an event like this? >> well first of all, i wasn't surprised at the verdict. but when i look at it, i look at it in terms of preparation for the police because whenever way it goes, the police are going to have to be able to respond in case there is any protest that may take place as a result of the -- of the verdict. as far as what this could mean in the future with people bringing guns to protests, i
mean, that didn't start with kyle rittenhouse. this has been going on now for a couple years at least. and police have been seeing it more and more. i mean, when you think back to when the state capitol of michigan was taken over. many of those people were heavily armed when they went inside the state capitol. so you are starting to see it more and more. bringing guns to a demonstration or a protest is just a recipe for something bad to happen. and it's unfortunate but i think we are going to see more of it. >> you know, judge gertner, it was interesting. i was thinking about this today because we are told now if there is an active-shooter situation, that if you can't run and you can't hide, to fight. if somebody thinks that somebody walking around an event like this with a ar-15 style rifle is an active shooter and attacks them thinking they are trying to stop a shooter, i mean, it -- should this give pause to somebody doing that now?
>> i -- i think definitely gives pause. think about it this way. when a police officer says the person i am arresting tried to disarm me, then you know that person's up to no good because police officers have a right to wear guns, to carry guns. but now, in a situation where a private person carrying a gun and you try to disarm him with respect to him, that becomes a justification to shoot back. i mean, what it does is it makes people, you know, sort of step back from anybody with a gun, even a 17-year-old with an ar-15, lest going for the gun to disarm them be used as an excuse for a shooting. now, i think it's incredibly dangerous and the issue is less how this verdict happened than the way it's going to play out in future months. >> chief ramsey, i know you are concerned about what this case says about gun laws in the country. on monday, the judge allowed the misdemeanor weapons charge to be thrown out. what do you think the country should take away from this trial as it relates to firearms? >> well, that will be interesting to see. but we have very poor gun laws, in fact, for all practical purposes, we really don't have any meaningful gun laws. for example, you have got a 17-year-old kid. he's got an ar-15 or assault
weapon. you can buy a gun in this country and there is no requirement for you to get any kind of training at all on how to handle that gun or any training on the law in terms of when you you can actually use that gun against another person and everyone has hair their one own idea about when you can use deadly force. that is something police have hundreds and hundreds hours on training on. and the average person who buys a gun, get nothing. so there is a lot that needs to be done not just trying to control firearms but just making sure they are in the hands of responsible people who really understand when and where and how they can use it. >> well, judge, there is also having a gun, which i -- i mean, it's legal. i have no problem with that as long as you do it according to the law. but do you need to bring that gun to a, you know, an environment where there potentially is violence? at the very least, you know, high stress and demonstrations. is that really a good -- that just doesn't seem like a wise idea, particularly if you are somebody who is 17 years old and
has had no experience in this kind of a circumstance. >> that was the key what the prosecutor was saying which is that if you were there to guard businesses, why did you now walk down the middle of the street carrying an ar-15? and his response to that, which unfortunately was sort of hyped in the closing was, you know, i didn't think the police -- i wanted to help the police. i didn't know what they were doing. the notion we got a really serious problem if -- if a teenager is going to basically, you know, supplant the police because the police aren't doing enough. that goes to both his training, which is nonexistent and it goes to what the police were doing. so we have got a lot of work here. >> chief charles ramsey, appreciate it. nancy gertner appreciate it as all. president biden received his first physical exam while in office. dr. sanjay gupta has the results that were released. [gaming sounds]
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the oldest first-term president in history. want to talk with sanjay gupta who is also author of the fascinating new book, world war c lessons from the covid-19 pandemic and how to prepare for the next one. so, sanjay, what can you tell us about the results of this physical? >> well, we had some idea of some of the president's past medical history. we also know he is the oldest first-term president. so putting those two things together, there were specific things that i think they were sort of targeting. we know that he has this history of reflux, for example. we know he has a history of atrial fibrillation. they were focused on the fact that his -- his gait -- his walking, anderson, seems to have changed a bit. they describe it as being less fluid, stiffer gait. we also know he takes this medication for his cholesterol and he had a colonoscopy. so those were sort of the major things that came out of that and there -- there were a few findings. his reflux is still persistent which is why they think he's been coughing a lot. you may hear him clearing his throat a lot during speeches. that seems to be the cause of
that. as far as his gait being changed, they think he developed some arthritis in his lower back. he has a history of having his brain surgery -- having aneurysms operated back in the late '80s. that appears to have not changed. and -- and then, again this colonoscopy for which he was sedated and also had an endoscopy as well. >> obviously, there has been a lot of focus on his cognitive abilities. questions raised by -- by opponents and others in 2018 the former president had a test that measured meant acuity. was that part of today's test? >> doesn't seem like it. i read pretty carefully through the doctor report and they mention neurological exam but more in terms of testing motor strength and sensation and things like that. president trump had something known as the montreal cognitive assessment. it is sort of a screening test for -- for dementia and, um, you know, there was no mention of that sort of thing here.
it is a constant point of constitution, i can tell you, within the geriatrics community. i wrote this book last year about brain health. and one of the things that kept coming up was should sort of these types of screening tests, cognitive screening tests, be more commonly done and there is many in this community who believe starting at age 65, there should be some sort of screening that's done. dr. ronald peterson who runs the alzheimer's clinic at mayo has been something who has talked about that. but as far as we know for president biden, we didn't see any kind of test like that performed. >> we should also point out the president's physical made history today. he temporarily turned over presidential authority to vice president harris which is the first time in american history that a woman had the power of the president so interesting day in history. i want to turn to the fight against covid, though. today, cdc and fda endorsed booster vaccines for all
americans 18 years and older. what does that tell us about where we are in this -- in this fight? >> well, i think it tells us a bit about what the vaccines are doing. and they seem to have -- be very protective still but waning a bit in terms of that protectiveness. it could be because of time, like how much time has passed between since people have gotten their shots. it could just be because of this delta variant but as we go into the winter and cooler and drier months, people are concerned about the -- the contagiousness of this virus growing even and might that have a greater impact? what is interesting, anderson, is that if you look at where things stand now, most adults were already eligible for boosters either because of age or because of pre-existing-health conditions. close to 90% of adults were already eligible but it was confusing. lot of people didn't know they were eligible. today, basically said everybody
who is an adult is eligible for the booster. they took it a step further even and said if you are over the age of 50, you should get a booster. so, you know, that -- that's sort of where we are. but i want to -- i want to show you what i think are interesting graphs that tell the story. in the united states, if you look at people who get hospitalized for covid, they are still the vast majority of them are -- that's the red line -- they are unvaccinated. the green line, at the bottom, up until the end of september, relatively flat but it started to tick up. if you look at israeli data sort of over the fall going up to november 1st, it really i think important picture emerged here. so unvaccinated on the left. they are still the evacuate majority of people who end up with severe covid. but there was people who had received two doses of the vaccine that were increasingly developing severe symptoms but if they got boosted, you can see the benefit there. >> sanjay, appreciate it. thanks so much. there's another high-profile court case that we are following. defense attorney in the trial of three white men accused of killing black jogger ahmaud arbery has asked against for a mistrial. why he says rallies in support of the arbery family on the courthouse grounds amount to, in his words, a public lynching. next.
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there's another trial involving accusations of vigilante justice that we're keeping an eye on. that is the georgia trial of three white men accused of killing unarmed black jogger ahmaud arbery. closing arguments are set for monday. today the attorneys debated legal instructions the judge will give the jury before deliberations. one defense attorney asked for a mistrial, claiming the demonstrations on courthouse grounds amount to, quote, a public lynching, end quote, of his client.
so, can you explain what else happened in court today, ryan? >> reporter: anderson, when you think about this, kevin goff was using those strong words. when you think about this, this is the south. the idea that he would compare this to lynching really struck people in a weird way. and he was at the center of almost everything that was involved in court. of course he moved for a mistrial. the judge denied that. but there was also this story that came out because attorney lee merritt says he approached the prosecution of getting a plea deal and was denied. that really set him off today. but take a listen to this exchange in court that was quite explosive. >> just because they haven't put a gallery up -- what -- they haven't put up a podium outside with a hang man's noose doesn't mean this isn't a trial despite the best efforts of this court,
this isn't a trial that's been affected by mob violence of a woke left mob. >> when you think about this, anderson, you're talking about maybe 400 to 500 preachers that showed up and they were just talking about the lord and praying outside. and there was a march here. there was never any talk of any violence. so, a lot of people were surprised by the strong language that was used in court. of course this is not the first time that kevin goff has done this. we should keep in mind, monday is the big day for closing arguments. we believe it could be tuesday by the time the jury gets to deliberations on this. but once again, explosive comments in court touching on the racial sensitivity of this case that has everyone sort of scratching their heads. >> thanks for the reporting. as the country awaits a verdict, no one is watching more than the people of the city of brunswick. gary tuchman is there. >> reporter: this is the neighborhood just outside brunswick, georgia, where ahmaud arbery was killed. where he lived is just a few minutes away. that neighborhood is where we met anthony and his 3-year-old son. >> you live right near where ahmaud arbery lived?
>> yes, sir. >> how do you feel about how the trial is going? >> i feel it's going pretty good. i feel justice will be served, and that's what we're looking for. >> reporter: inside lady kay's kitchen in brunswick, we meet -- the jury is 11 white people, one brown person. when you heard that, what did you think? >> at the end of the day, we're all human and hopefully everybody can close their eyes and open their ears and their heart and listen to the trial and the case and understand the situation and move forward. >> reporter: learning to better understand is a theme we heard from many in brunswick and the rest of glen county, georgia. >> i just think there's a lot of pain in this community. a lot of us are seeing things that we haven't seen before that other people have experienced that we haven't seen. so, that pain is coming to the surface, and i think we need to be healed and we need to see justice served.
>> christy kameron is lady k, the owner of the restaurant. she believes justice will be served. >> i just feel it's a big band aid that's been ripped off, but i hope the truth is shined upon and we just take notice of all the things that's been taking place for a long time. >> and what has been taking place for a long time? >> hidden racism. >> reporter: hidden and not so hidden racism. both topics of conversation among people we talked with. in the wealthy predominantly white glenn county enclave, this resident tells us -- >> naturally i want justice. i want justice. i want some relief for this poor family and relief for our county and for this region. >> reporter: throughout this county, people were very agreeable when we asked if they
would talk to us. however, in this neighborhood where ahmaud arbery was killed, we did encounter some reticence and reluctance. some people claimed the media was stirring up trouble and making people in their mostly white neighborhood look bad. this woman who lives nearby, but providing we did not show her face agreed to tell us this. >> how do you feel about the case? >> terrible. what they done to him was terrible. they shouldn't have done it. i mean -- >> you live in the neighborhood he lived, where he was killed. >> saw him jog by. it's devastating, unbelievable for the subdivision right over there. >> and so very sad. gary tuchman, cnn brunswick, georgia. >> we'll be right back. ♪ move to a sofi personal loan. earn $10 just for viewing your rate — and feel what it's like to get your money right. your mission: stand up to moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. and take. it. on... with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill can dramatically improve symptoms...
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