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they allow a righty fringe poli political zellut to embed and document the process while they go on tv every night advocating for the defendant? listen to what the lawyer told us about kyle rittenhouse about the reality of what was done in this case. >> the people who are raising money, this defense was crowd funded through donations. >> but who are the people making the calls about who got to have access to the process? >> kyle's family and his advisor, the lynnwoods, the john pierces who were basically, you know, i think were trying to get this kid out for money for their own causes. >> fox paid for that access? did the money guys have a deal with them? this is a problem.
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that's it for us tonight. "don lemon tonight" starts right now with the big star d. lemon. i don't care if people get access. i said to my team, look, if they want to give me access to it, i would film someone's defense in a high-profile case like this. i don't know why anyone would allow this. the guys on tv at night saying the kid is innocent and at the same time he's embedded because the money guys paying for the defense want his cameras there? >> chris, you're not shocked by that, are you? i'm shocked people that sup supposedly care for this kid would allow him and his future to be framed this way. >> yes, because it's about money. it's not just the advisers and whatever. it's the attorneys, as well. he's a great lawyer. he has a great demeanor. i agree with most everything he said. what he said about guns. it's what most americans agree.
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common sense, i believe in the second amendment and speaking for myself. he says the same thing. do i want to carry a gun? not necessarily i don't want to carry one around. most people feel that way. it's not just the fringes but it's also the people who are making money off of him and many times and in this case in the beginning because he said as much in his press conference afterwards, it's the attorneys making money off of him. i said this to you over and over again about people co-opting people, people taking advantage of people. that is what is happening in large part on the right from these fringe people from the fringes as you say in media and the attorneys. this is why i liked him. i paid attention to the trial. i didn't know him personally. i watched him. when he said this, i'm like he's right on because this is what is happening under the former administration. he said, you know, when i took this case, i was hired by the first lawyers and i'm not going to use their names.
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they wanted to use kyle for a house in something that i think was inappropriate. i don't represent causes. he said that to you. i represent clients and the only thing that ended up mattering to me was whether he was found not guilty or not. and then he says the reporter asks him, is that what kyle wants? he said the answer is i believe that's what he wants and then, you know, then, you know, kyle is going to show up on a very poli political, the judge says not about politics but a very political program. people taking advantage of him, making him a cause celeb. it goes on and on. it's an echo chamber, it's a feeding factory. it's people taking advantage of clients so that they can make money, they can raise their profile and they're not doing what is right for the client, not telling them what is right. that lawyer did the right thing with kyle rittenhouse. that lawyer represented kyle rittenhouse to the best of his about the i and not because he's some right wing fringe who is
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trying to make a name for himself or just to make money off of a grift. >> right. two things to be clear if you're just tuning in. the lawyer i had on, mark brinkley is not to be confused. >> mark richards. >> mark richards, sorry. not to be confused of someone getting over on kyle rittenhouse. >> that's not what i'm saying. >> in response to don's earlier question, i have never seen a defense process in a high profile criminal trial be conducted step by step as a political instrument, as well, with arguably one of the most divisive people in society. you know, you know you're going to have people saying if he was black this would be different because we're dealing with systemic injustice now and even though this verdict is justified
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by the law and facts, that's what we should want every time, people are frustrated you wouldn't get it if he was black even though this may be the right outcome but at the same time you're doing that you're going to have him be weaponized by one of the most toxic people in our society. >> therefore, when that judge said -- dressed down the prosecution. the prosecution did a lot wrong. this really rests -- >> they had a hard case. >> they had a hard case but they didn't do a good job with a hard case. that's obvious to see. the judge -- you know, i've said this before. think when you want to think about the judge buyias or not, e judge's behavior divided people in this case. if you look at the judge and we've talked about this, we talked about it on our podcast version of this handoff. the judge conducting himself in the moderation and this judge yelling at people even though the jury didn't see most of
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that, they still -- they understand what is happening. they get the sense of what is going on. they see, you know, the judge's reaction -- what the judge is doing, making coffee during closing arguments. little things like that. i think it's problematic. this gave us a window into our court system, our justice system and i think these are examples of what is happening around the country of reform whether you think it's about race or whatever it is but just to make it more equatable for all people involved and not to use people as political weapons because you want to promote yourself, because you are on a grift. the attorney that represented him, that, you know, because he got the acquittal, he did the right thing and doing the right thing. and he called their names. i don't have to. there are others involved, as well. those are the people problematic in this society. those are the people who are causing the divisions because
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they are the ambulance chasers and you can have ambulance chasers, as well in media. >> look, i think that this is a terrible situation and why he is -- while he's not guilty, there is a lot about this situation while he had the right to do it under the law, it wasn't right. it was wrong, and it's hurtful and people are dead, and it sends a bad message. >> we shouldn't be celebrating people carrying assault style weapons around openly in the street. kyle rittenhouse or whomever, that's what law enforcement is for. >> i hear you but the law rules and the law here is the bad guy. >> right, and if you don't like it, you have to fight to change it. >> that self-defense law is pitiful. and he was allowed to carry that weapon under wisconsin law and that self-defense law in wisconsin makes it easy to kill somebody. >> look at george zimmerman and stand your ground. >> stand your ground is a cousin
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of this law. this law is more forgiven than florida stand your ground because it has other elements to it. you don't have a duty to retreat. that's stand your ground. you have to as a juror not say what would don lemon do? what would a reasonable person do? what would that guy do, a 17-year-old overwhelmed and scared by anything because he's naive. that's who you have to judge it on very generous standard and the prosecution has to prove you didn't need self-defense. you didn't act in self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt, which is our highest standard and much higher than the burden presented in many other states. it's a very, veriery easy law a you saw the results. >> we'll see what happened. so far calm although people have the right to demonstrate or whatever. let's hope that it stays this way and people do the right thing and learn -- >> one last thing. i hope that the understanding of
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frustration is not presented as he should have been found guilty because other people would wrongfully have been found guilty under this law and you should say we want this outcome no matter who the defendant is. >> no matter who it is. the same grace that especially those on the right people giving kyle rittenhouse, the same grace should be granted for george floyd or granted for anyone in a courtroom -- >> george floyd is a no brainer. >> there are people saying, oh, look -- >> you're totally right. >> he was no saint. >> you're totally right. for that and for people who are proven innocent, right, and that same grace regardless of race background or ideology, so let's see if they give the same grace to other people. >> sadly, we will see soon enough because they happen all the time. >> thank you, sir. >> i love you d. lemon. make your witness. >> that was a great conversation. i know everybody is ready. get to the show. this is the best conversation
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we'll have -- well, in this moment, not on this show. i'll see you soon. [ laughter ] this is "don lemon tonight" as we have been saying the verdict is in. no surprise. not if you were paying attention. >> as to those counts, joseph rosenbaum, we the jury found the defendant kyle h. rittenhouse not guilty. as to the second count of the information richard mcelcginn n, we the jury find the defendant not guilty. as to the third count of the information unknown male, we the jury find the defendant kyle r. hu richen house not guilty as to anthony huber, we the jury find the defendant kyle rittenhouse not guilty. as to the fifth count of the information we find kyle h. rittenhouse not guilty. >> members of the jury, these
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are your unanimous verdicts? is there anyone that does not agree with the verdicts as read? >> lucky young man. can you imagine that moment? first thing i'd be saying is thank you, jesus. thank you god. fall on your knees. lucky. kyle rittenhouse who shot and killed two people, wounded another during protests in august of 2020 over the police shooting of jacob blake found not guilty on all counts. you heard them read there. the bar was high for a conviction. prosecutors had to prove it wasn't self-defense beyond aen a -- a reasonable doubt. you can question what a then 17-year-old, right, where is the wisdom in this? a 17-year-old isn't that wise us usually, young people, not just kyle. a 17-year-old with a military
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style weapon, what he was doing in the middle of chaos, all that chaos in the streets of kenosha. but as we've been saying, this case was never going to be a slam dunk. the assistant d.a. thomas binger putting out a statement saying while we're disappointed with the verdict, it must be respected and then the defense attorney that chris and i were talking about, mark richards telling chris cuomo a couple minutes ago this. >> he didn't want to kill anybody, and he was left with the terrible choice and he exercised that choice, which was found to be lawful. >> the wisconsin governor says that his state has to work to do the right thing in the wake of this verdict or has some work to do in the wake of this verdict and calling for peace tonight. so why don't we get there now? sara sidner is live in kenosha. good evening to you. i understand you have new information. we're hearing from kyle rittenhouse tonight.
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what is he saying? >> reporter: yeah, it's true. he had been doing an interview all along this process with tucker charleston show, fox news and here is what he said in one of the clips that's just been released. he's talking about the verdict. it's right after the verdict is read. he's in the car and he says look, the jury reached the correct verdict, self-defense is legal. this has been a rough ride but the worst is over. we've heard from kyle rittenhouse himself what he thinks act the verdict handed down, the not guilty on all five counts. i should also mention, don, there is something very interesting in the verdict sheets. i have them here. there are, of course, five of them and if you look at the sheets, you will notice that the jury made some decisions pretty early on. the second day of deliberations they decided on two of the cases including anthony huber, not
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guilty in the shooting and killing of anthony huber by kyle rittenhouse and decided a not guilty verdict on putting somebody in danger, the man called jump kick man. the second day after deliberations started and then they decided something on the third day after deliberations started and they did not get to the joseph rosenbaum decision on whether or not he was killed in first-degree intentional homicide until today. and so it is clear to a lot of folks looking at this case that it was that particular case where there was drone video that they had requested to see that made them deliberate for longer, and they finally got to that decision today and now we know that kyle rittenhouse is a freeman. he's been found not guilty on all five charges. >> sara sidner has been covering -- thank you very much. appreciate that. we've got a lot more on this and it comes as some people are saying we have two justice systems here in america.
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look, i understand you know what they mean by that, what they're trying to say but the fact is we have one justice system. unfortunately, that justice system is not always fair. we should respect the jury's verdict in kenosha, as americans we have the right to disagree and make the system to work for everyone and have the right to change the laws because the laws in place, those are the reasons, the main reasons that kyle rittenhouse was acquitted. it is hard to separate race out of all of these things. race is there. it may not be exactly the same in every case. it a difference of degrees, right? it's always there in all of these cases. they're not the exact same thing but it is there. the rittenhouse trial is about whether or not the prosecution was able to prove its case. the jury found him not guilty. but in a courtroom in georgia a
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very different case is unfolding. defense attorneys in the trial of three white men accused of chasing down and killing ahmaud arbery, an unarmed 25-year-old black jogger are expected to begin closing arguments on monday. then the case goes to nearly an all white jury. kind of similar, right? but today the attorney for one of the men compared a prayer rally outside the courthouse to and i'm quoting here a public lynching. >> this is why a public lynching looks like in the 21st century just because they haven't put a gallery up, they haven't put a podium up outside with a hang man's noose on it doesn't mean this isn't a trial despite the best evidfforts of this court. this isn't a trial infected by mob violence of a woke left mob. >> again, the politics. that's why you have to be
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careful when you embrace the woke is going too far because people who call out that are doing it for a reason. don't fall for the okiedok erer e. a public lynching, right? especially considering what happened to ahmaud arbery. that man's client, his client got there was not the one who was chased down and shot to death in pbroad daylight and its disgraceful for him to compare a prayer vigil to a lynching. i think we all see what is going on here. this is the attorney who said i and i'm quoting here again, we don't want any more black pastors coming in here. ahmaud arbery's mother reacting today. >> is there anything you might want to see about kevin goff's comment this is a 21st century
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lynching? >> i think it's ridiculous and he's done things repeatedly that surprise me that he would say, so very surprising but not. >> uncovering it. kyle rittenhouse acquitted, the jury deliberating for more than 25 hours but was the testimony from kyle rittenhouse a turning point in the trial? autoglass ca. with service i could trust. right, girl? >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ tonight, i'll be eating a club sandwich with fries and a side of mayonnaise. (doorbell rings) wonderful. mayonnaise...
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. kyle is acquitted of all charges after he shot and killed two men and injured a third during a night of unrest from the killing of joseph blake. the families of those killed by rittenhouse speaking out tonight. anthony huber's parents say they are heart broken by the verdict is joining me is the former district attorney for wisconsin and robert hershorn a jury and trial consultant. good evening to you. paul, i'll start with you because everyone says you have been saying this, the prosecution had a very high bar. and you had said that you
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believed that there would be -- he would be found guilty on one count you said, that did not happen. >> a cup of coffee or a beer. i thought there would be a reckless homicide. i thought it would either be first or second degree, probably second. and i believed it would be probably although i didn't say that at time, would probably be on mr. rosenbaum and it looks like i came close but not close enough but hey, look, it's a complicated case. the case spun out of control, don and it began spinning out of control a long time ago and the verdict is a verdict. it is what it is. the jury worked hard. i give the jury a lot of respect. they did -- they weren't swayed by sympathy or fear and they
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decided this case is based solely on the law and facts, not some made upam amendment and i respect robert's view on this. he's not a hero. he's not a white supremacist. it's not a racial, racist -- i meant racial, not racist. it was based on the law and the facts and the facts were not on the government's side. >> i agree with that to say it's not racial or racist. race is a part of this case. that is undeniable. it may -- for people to say it's not part of this case, that may make some liberals feel given some comfort, right? especially white liberals but it is and make them feel better about how they want to feel about what is happening in our society. but it's not true. race is definitely a part of this. robert, you said from the very beginning that this case was all
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about guns. is that what the jury decided on? >> yes, sir. let me tell you why. i've identified five things, by the way, thank you for having me on. i appreciate it. five things that worked in this trial. number one, the video of the event, number two, the fact right after he did the shooting he told the police, number three his age, number four we saw today the might of the right. he had a really well funded defense. they did mock trials. they did research on these jurors so the right really came to his aid and finally the law. if anything, don, the law is what saved this young man from going to prison for the rest of his life. >> completely agree with that. listen, this is mostly about the law. when i said race is a part of it, i don't mean it's the whole thing. i think everyone understands what i'm saying. the prosecutors tried to make
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this, robert, this case about an active shooter arguing it was everybody else who responded to rittenhouse acting in self-defense. why do you think that proved to be unconvincing to the jury? >> yeah, it's the chaos, don, okay? it was a really chaotic situation. what the jury was told is they have to put themselves not in the shoes of a reasonable person but into defendant rittenhouse's shoes, right? you got all this chaos being videotaped and the problem is that at the time, don, people didn't know if he was an active shooter or if he was trying to help and people because of all the events that have happened in our country, you know, i think they assumed the worst and trying to stop him and he -- his view or reaction to that was he was being threatened. he was having to defend his life. you know, the thing is what we're seeing, don, with these kind of events really worried that the united states of america is really starting to
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turn into that divided states of america. we're better than that. we got to work together, folks from both sides. we got to work together so things like this don't keep happening. >> paul, kyle rittenhouse's defense attorney spoke with chris a short while ago. watch this, please. >> kyle said if i had to do it all over again, and had any idea something like this could happen, i wouldn't do it. you know, that is not -- i want to be clear, that is not regret for what he did that night under those circumstances. hindsight is 20/20 if not better and he didn't want to kill anybody, and he was left with the terrible choice and he exercised that choice, which was found to be lawful. >> paul, what do you think? what do you think what he's saying there? he didn't want to kill fib but
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-- anybody but left with a terrible choice. >> i know that attorney. he's a straight shooter. this is not about right has might. this is about the facts of the case and if anybody and i've been asked this 100 times what message is sent out as a result of this case. the message is not that kyle rittenhouse is a hero. he's not. he's not a vigilante. he's not a white supremacist. this is not the message that hey, in kenosha they said it's okay to go to a civil uprising and arm yourself. no. if that's what you want to do and go there looking for trouble, there is no evidence rittenhouse did, he found trouble yes but if that's what you want to do, i'm available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. give me a call. you will have a problem. you can't replicate the unique facts in this case to another situation. this was a case where the government failed to prove the lack of self-defense. the government had several
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missteps. i don't know which one was fatal to their case but clearly, the jury based on what i've heard found self-defense almost immediately and just began looking at especially the last count apparently there was one woman on the jury that wanted to have a little more time to think about the last count but this is not a white supremacist, this is not vigilantes, this is not about you got a right to carry a gun in public in a civil uprising. that's non-sense. so i have listen to the talking heads including myself. i talked to myself and listened. >> i'm glad you put yourself in the category but go on. >> i do. i do. and with all due respect to robert, he's very experienced, very good. well funded defense. no doubt about it. nobody that i know ever has done mock trials in criminal cases. that's reserved for civil. jury consultants very rare --
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>> not true. >> okay. we got -- robert, last word. i have to run. quickly, please. as quick as you can. >> quickly, look, everybody, we got to respect this jury. they worked hard. they had 25 hours invested in this. they did a really good job. if you get a summons for jury duty, don't try to get out of it. go down and serve your country and serve on the jury. that's how to help start making change in our country. >> robert paul, thank you gentlemen, appreciate it. >> thank you, don. a huge win for president biden, democrats actually coming together to pass his $1.9 trillion plan, stay with us. and years -- ahead. with fidelity income planning, we'll look at what you've saved, what you'll need, and build a straightforward plan to generate income, even when you're not working. a plan that gives you the chance to grow your savings and create cash flow that lasts. along the way, we'll give you ways to be tax efficient. and you can start, stop or adjust your plan at any time without the unnecessary fees. we'll help you go from saving... to living.
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- san francisco can have criminal justice reform and public safety. but district attorney chesa boudin is failing on both. - the safety of san francisco is dependent upon chesa being recalled as soon as possible. - i didn't support the newsom recall but this is different. - chesa takes a very radical perspective and approach to criminal justice reform, which is having a negative impact on communities of color. - i never in a million years thought that my son, let alone any six-year-old, would be gunned down in the streets of san francisco and not get any justice. - chesa's failure has resulted in increase in crime against asian americans. - the da's office is in complete turmoil at this point. - for chesa boudin to intervene in so many cases is both bad management and dangerous for the city of san francisco. - we are for criminal justice reform. chesa's not it.
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recall chesa boudin now. a big step forward for president biden's again to today. democrats passing the 1. 9 trillion dollar economic agenda including more money for child care, home health care, obamacare subsides, universal prek and more but it's anyone's guess what will happen when the senate has its say. joining me to discuss, and former republican congressman charlie dent and analyst kirsten powers, the author of the new amazing book called "saving grace." welcome to both of you. kirsten, after months after wrangling democrats are onto the next step with a bill that would
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transform people's lives. there is still a ways to go as i pointed out but we saw democrats celebrating on the house floor after it passed. is this a moment for the party to be excited? >> yeah, i think it is. and let's remember that there are many people who are claiming this was never going to happen, that the democrats were never going to be able to get this done, that it was dead. and it's true it's not finished yet but i think that this is involved a lot of wran gling and if they can convince joe mansion to get on board or have things stripped out of it and sent back to the house and more wrangling. it's a step forward and i think it is a transformative piece of legislation if it can, you know, ultimately be made into law. >> yeah. so charlie, basically, what
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kirsten is saying that it's tougher to head in the senate for this bill. we could look at a different bill after joe mansion has his say. what does this send up, sir? >> well, i think this bill has a long road ahead of it and i would be shocked if this bill was law before christmas. i'll be honest with you, don. we got the report yesterday and there are a lot of gimmicks and tricks involved here. i think they have been very deceptive with the numbers here. in fact, they have been dishonest. this will cost between 4.6 to $4.9 trillion to the committee for responsible budget because they don't make a lot of the unrealistic assumptions the cbo is forced to make. they are using temporary provisions like the child tax credit. they said it will cost $110 billion, no, $1.1 trillion but scored at 110 because they only authorized it for a year. there are a lot of games they're playing and if anybody believes this is going to somehow not add
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to the deficit, you'll believe anything and again, we're not voting -- they're not voting on this in isolation or in a vacuum. you know, they're voting on this on top of $6 trillion in covid spending on top of inflation pressures, shortages, border mayhem and afghanistan fiasco. there is a lot going on here. i think they're premature to celebrate anything here. hey, at least they didn't spike the football like republicans on health care after the bill was passed that was deeply flawed. i think there is a long road ahead. i want to see what joe mansion says. i think it's phony. >> listen, we had austin on last night that anexplained the financials of this and i'm wondering before i get back to kirsten, how much does it matter of covid that we're coming and going through, living and coming out of a very, very rough period for this country, health wise
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and medically and economically? >> yeah, i think look, i think the american public realizes we needed to spend most of the $6 trillion, i would argue they spent $800 billion. we needed most of the $6 trillion. many folks believe now is the time to pump the brakes and show some restraint. i've always felt that joe biden was e llected to bring normalcy not transform the government. that's what bernie sanders ran on and lost. >> listen -- >> this is a complete miscalculations. >> i'm not going to get into a rawl with you. you're a small government conservative and that's where we used to be. we're not there anymore. so listen, i'm not going to take any gulf of what you're saying. kirsten, mansion and cinema, if they strip this bill down and send a version back down to the house progressives won't support, what kind of headaches do you think it will create for democrats? >> well, it's going to create
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headaches because it's been obviously already creating headaches because we can't -- you can't get agreement on this bill and so i think that one of the problems is that the things that joe mansion in particular who is the bigger problem, frankly, at this point is opposed to is something that's very main stream, which is paid leave. and that's one of the things that he opposes and i think it's very central to this bill. so the question is will the progressives back down and we just have this kind of back and forth and at some point i think there is going to have to be a decision made that there is going to have to be compromises and move on. i don't know if the progressives are willing to do that and i don't frankly think it should be on them but it seems joe mansion is going to be the one person who holds everything up and never mind the rest of the democrats are all in agreement about this but for some reason this one person is, you know, supposed to be able to bend everyone to the will of the way he thinks the world is supposed to be. >> you know what i have to say?
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you know, listening to both of you and having this conversation, isn't it refreshing to have a conversation about policy? >> it is. >> what politicians are doing rather than a crazy tweet? >> i totally agree. >> kirsten, was just like yeah because this is how it's done. you are small government conservative. that's what i think the party has been, you know, built on but it's not necessarily where it is now. i respect you for that and your views. great to have these conversations, both of you thank you. >> i agree. >> yeah. see you later. >> thanks, don. he complains about black pastors' presence in the courtroom and today defense attorney kevin goff is calling pastors outside the courtroom a quote lynching. cornell west has thoughts about that. he's next. not again. oh no.
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closing argue ments set to be begin monday for the murder of a 25-year-old black man jogging. arbery's mother says she learned about it from the district attorney. so joining me cornell west, he is now the detrick chair at union though logical seminariry, did i get that right? >> you got it right, brother. in harlem. >> so good to -- i want to make sure i get your title right. it's good to see you in person. we've been talking over sate satellite. >> that's true. >> professor, the same defense attorney complained about black pastors being in the courtroom now comparing a prayer rally outside the courthouse to a public lynching. what do you make of that?
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>> you know, my dear brother another sign of the profound spiritual decay moral decadence at work in our culture and society. you see, once you have organized hatred institutionalized greed and then you add fear and distrust, things get out of control spiritually behind the scene. that's what is happening now, brother. things are getting out of control. we're going to lose american democracy fairly soon if this spiritual decay and moral continues. >> you believe that? >> no doubt. we're on the edge, believe me you. and flet the greed and hatred
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expand, let folk turn on each other, the well to do sit back there and spectators because they still doing well. we're talking about working and poor people going at each other for the most part and if we don't have counter voice ever fo and the face of degree there has to be accountability and every society has to deal with greed and if you don't have necmechans of responsibility, it gets out of hand. >> in virginia white nationalists are on trial for organizing the deadly rally and saying it out loud, i'm a racist, this is a quote. i'm a racist, it seems we're living in another era now. this is -- >> you saw what they said about me, brother. >> in charlottesville. >> yeah, lynch him right there on the video. i said oh, very interesting indeed. we sitting there singing "this little light of mine" and they
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have guns and masks and so forth and you say that's all you can come up with? do you realize how empty, how joyless your soul must be? now here i am revolutionary christian and i believe jesus loves everybody. jesus loves these gangsters but they choose to be gangsters and we going to make them accountable. you know why? because black people are precious. because everyday people are precious. joseph rosenbaum, precious. anthony huber, precious, jacob blake precious. arbery precious and some of us going to go down fighting in the name of the love and justice even as a society continually slides down a slope toward fascism. >> what do you mean by that? some of us will go down fighting. >> some of us will pay the ultimate price. >> some say that's a threat of violence. >> not at all. we said we're willing to pay the ultimate price because the people that came before that loved us and sacrificed for us
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paid the price and we are going to let the young folk know, let oppressed people know we're in solidarity with them no matter the cause. that's the krcrucial point. >> i have to run but do you have concerns about the makeup of the jim crow, jr., jim crow 3rd. we'll have to wait and see. but most importantly we need folks in this country to get spiritually and morally fortified to fight in the name of justice or we're going to lose democracy. >> i'm going to say it quickly because i'm going to get in trouble. out of all these trials we have, can you separate race out of all them them? >> it may not be the dominant factor in every one but the legacy of white supremacy takes a variety of different forms. >> i know we shouldn't be
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shaking hands but that's all right. >> though, we're good. i've got the wipes and hand sanitizer right here. >> i've got the holy ghost. >> making history. vice president kamala harris holding presidential powers today. ebenezer. ebenezer. marley? first you will see the past. excuse me! coming through! ugh! and then...the present. and finally, ebenezer...the future! introducing the all-electric eqs. happy holidays from mercedes-benz.
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so take this -- a woman held presidential powers today for the first time in united states history. president biden temporarily transferred the powers of the office to vice president kamala harris for 85 minutes today. why? standard procedure. president biden went under
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anthesia for a routine colonoscopy today. part of the 78-year-old's first annual physical since taking office. he turns 79 tomorrow and his doctor says he's fit for duty. 2019 i'll take you back. when weeks of speculation began when then-president made a secret trip to walter reed. stephanie grisham shed light on that trip. a perfectly normal procedure people get all the time, so why the secrecy? gri grisham writes the then president refused anesthesia because he didn't want to transfer power to then mike pence. and he didn't want to be the, quote, butt of any late night jokes. no comment. up next kyle rittenhouse acquitted on all charges. we're going to take you inside the jury's decision after this.
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