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legislative win. democrats there cheering as you can see after the house just passed the president's massive social spending bill, sending the $1.9 trillion package to the senate where it faces now an uncertain future. the vote today this morning coming just hours -- coming hours later than it had planned after republican leader kevin mccarthy commandeered the house floor with a record-breaking marathon speech, more than eight hours long, delaying passage of the plan. cnn's jessica dean is live on capitol hill with the breaking news following this morning. the speaker just took questions from reporters, jessica. what is she saying about the path forward? >> reporter: well, kate, obviously she's very excited and very positive but also acknowledging that the senate is likely to send back a bill that is different than what passed out of the house today. now, originally, her strategy had been nothing's -- we're not passing anything in house that can't pass the senate, but that
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became untenable as they needed support of moderates and progressives in the democratic party in the house to get on board with both the infrastructure bill that's now law and then also build back better, which is what they just voted on. so now it does head to the senate, where, remember, they need to get all 50 democratic senators on board. this is a very specific process they're using to pass this. so there's a lot of procedural hurdles they have to face and get through, but they also more than anything need to get on the same page. at this point, senator joe manchin of course has expressed a lot of concern about a number of provisions that are coming out of the house over into the senate. one example of that, paid family leave. that is more likely than not to get dropped. he's expressed that he does not believe that belongs in this bill. but there's a virt of other issues. climate provisions, for example, they need to get into and figure out what can get the support of all 50 democrats and sent it back over to the house where the
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question becomes will it be enough for progressives. so it is a long and winding road, but the big picture here, kate, is that president joe biden has seen a giant step forward in his agenda getting this massive expansion of the social safety net in this country and the climate provisions down the road. they have cleared this hurdle and go toward the next one, kate. >> good to see you. thank you, jessica. joining me for nor reaction is democratic congresswoman mikey sheryl from new jersey. thanks for coming in. that moment on the house floor we played at the top of the show when this was just passed, democrats all cheering, is not something that we really see very often, definitely not the extent we saw. what was that moment about for you? >> well, i think that moment was the culmination of a week where i was able to vote for and pass so much of what we've been
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working on for years now. so i started the week at the white house really able to watch the president sign into law some of the key priorities we're facing, like the gateway project, really critical issues we've been so focused on for years and ending the week with making sure we were able to bring down costs for families in new jersey, make new jersey more affordable, make sure we're getting rid of or lifting the state and local tax deduction cap, investing in family, getting a tax cut for middle-class families, bringing down cost of child care, of prescription drugs, bringing down costs of insulin. i have a woman in my district who's had to go to canada for years now for her sister. one time she was telling me about she wasn't able to get there and her sister used a
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dirty fork and got a horrible infection. this is what families have is gone through for far too long. >> the celebration has to be temporary, though, as we well know. the process is not over because you don't know what the senate will do with this bill. but do you have any sense of what you think this bill is going to look like when it comes back to you guys in the house? >> so, we have some sense of what it might look like. it certainly will be changed. you mentioned some of the things that senator manchin has already suggested might not be in the bill that comes back. but i think it was important to take this step so we had the bill written, people could see it on paper, determine what they thought we should invest in, and then move forward. this is a critical piece of the legislative process. this is where the rubber is going to meet the road in the senate to really invest in the things that are going to move our country forward and understand where we can go. make no mistake, we've already passed, you know, pieces of legislation that are going to invest in our future like the american rescue plan, which
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already -- i'm talking to mayors around the district about critical investments they're making in our towns, like the infrastructure plan which will finally get shovels in the ground on the gateway project. >> but this has been the one that's been the biggest, hardest slog to get over the finish line, obviously. we've covered this in depth. to be clear, you weren't a full yes from jump on this major spending bill. you made clear there's a key element, one key element for you raising the cap on how much state and local taxes people can deduct, an important tax deduction for people in your district, the short hasn't is s.a.l.t. if that gets stripped out in negotiations, what do you do? >> well, i don't think we should undermine what we just did monday when the president signed into law a bipartisan infrastructure piece of legislation that senator portman, the budget director,
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called counterinflationary. that to me was a critical piece of the legislation that we had to get over the line, and that wasn't so easy to get finished despite all the support for it. so i think that was really an important piece of legislation that i'm very supportive of and think really provides the base for a lot what we need to do and invest in in this country. this bill also contains things that are going to bring costs down for new jersey families. like you said, the state and local tax deduction. i think there's some misunderstanding of how we work in our state that this is not untaxed income. this is something that's never been in our tax code from the time of abraham lincoln until now. we have had the ability to deduct our state and local taxes. it's been really important for us to invest in, for example, the nation's best public schools, the best -- >> that's why i'm asking. you tweeted out something like, you know, no s.a.l.t., i'm a no
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go, or something, i'm paraphrasing, in a tweet. is that still the case when it comes back to the house? that's what i'm trying to establish. >> no, of course it's critically to get it through the house. we've made that clear. people like myself and others, this is critical because this is a critical investment in our state and how we bring down costs in north jersey. and so certainly this is a piece that i have to see to pass it through house, and we've been working through what it's going to look like in the senate. and i was just on the floor of the house talking to the speaker about how important this is, and she knows. she's just tweeted out yesterday how important it is. and we were talking about how we're going to get this through the senate. >> one step in what has already been a long road and looks like there's road ahead. thanks for coming on, congresswoman. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. breaking right now, president biden is at walter reed medical center undergoing
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his first physical since taking office. the white house says the president will transfer power to vice president kamala harris for a brief period of time when he's under anesthesia to get a colonoscopy. cnn's john harwood is live at the white house with this breaking news for us. john, what are you hearing right now? >> reporter: first of all, kate, it's worth noting the bit of history being made today. of course this is the first time we've had a woman vice president, and as a consequence of that, when the president takes this routine step for presidents when they undergo anes anesthesia, she's going to be the first woman in american history to exercise or have the potential to exercise presidential power. don't know how much she'll be able to do working out of her west wing office, but that is something worth stopping and taking notice of. this is something that is routine under the 25th amendment. that is the same 25th amendment that got talked about from time to time under president trump about whether his cabinet might
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move to somehow take power from him. of course that didn't happen. but presidents have under the 25th amendment routinely -- ronald reagan in 1985, for example, when we had intestinal surgery, signed over power for a few hours to his vice president, george h.w. bush. george w. bush did it twice, transferring power to dick cheney when he had two different colonoscopies. the one person who has not regarded it as routine, who resisted it very strongly, was president trump as we learned in stephanie grish ham's book. when he went to walter reed in 2019 he felt so strongly he did not want to surrender power even temporarily to mike pence, that he underwent a colonoscopy without anesthesia. a pretty severe step, kate. so president biden doesn't feel that way, he's having his physical today, colonoscopy is part of that, so he'll sign over these powers. every expectation is this will be quite routine and the powers will revert to him a couple
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hours later, but worth taking stock of the history that kamala harris is making today. >> absolutely. great point, john. good to see you. more updates to come on the president's physical as they will be releasing a report on that. coming up for us, dr. sanjay gupta will join us to talk about president biden's health and this procedure that he's getting. that's next. retinol that's also gentle on skin. for wrinkles results in one week. neutrogena®. for people with skin. with our unique tub over tub installation in just a day, bath fitter doesn't just fit your bath, it fits your busy schedule. why have over two million people welcomed bath fitter into their homes? it just fits. bath fitter. call now or visit to book your free consultation.
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president will transfer temporarily power to vice president kamala harris today as he undergoes a colonoscopy where he'll be under anesthesia. the president is at walter reed medical center right now for his annual physical, his first since taking office. joining me is cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta for more. talk me through what it means that the president is getting a colonoscopy. >> so, this is a procedure, a screening procedure to try and determine if someone is developing any kind of polyps or anything worrisome for colon cancer. it's recommended for really anyone over the age of 45 at periodic intervals. so when you had this procedure, most typically, you're sedated with a medication like propofol or something. that doesn't mean your breathing is taken over or a breathing tube is placed into your trachea. it's a sedation to make the procedure more comfortable. typically takes less than about
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half an hour, but you wake up from the sedation, you may be groggy for an hour or so, start to fin frisch the beginning of sedation to when you're fully awake. that's sort of typical and obviously varies from person to person. it's a commonly done procedure, again, a screening procedure. i'm sure the president has had other procedures like this. he most likely got a prep last night to basically make it so his colon could be more easily visualized. that's basically it. i had one yesterday, so this is commonly done. >> if you've ever had one or your loved ones have had one, you know the prep the day before can be just as extensive as the day of procedure. this leads of course to the understandable reason why a president would need to temporarily transfer power, right, sanjay? >> right. so, you know, you'll be sedated. i can tell you, again, with
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propofol, you know, you basically -- you see the medication maybe goo into your iv and the next thing you remember half an hour later is basically waking up and recovering. so there is a period of time where you're very sedated. again, it's not general anesthesia, which typically means someone's breathing is taking over with a breathe mag sheen and everything, but, yeah, you wouldn't be in any position to be able to woken up at that point and answer questions or do something like that. >> beyond the colonoscopy, this is part of his routine annual physical today, and he turns 79 tomorrow. what are you interested in seeing when the white house releases the write-up on his physical considering his medical history? >> yeah. i mean, i think that's big part of it. you want to direct your exam towards specific aspects of his medical history or obviously looking at major organ systems and it's a routine physical so you're evaluating all that. he does have this history of
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atrial fibrillation, so things like an ekg, determining if he needs medications for that. he takes a medication to lower his cholesterol. i think the biggest part of his past history was that he had a brain operation for aneurysms back in the late '80s and was monitored for that for some time up until 2014, at least, last records we saw. there was no evidence they had grown or changed in any way. they had been operated back in the late '80s. so those are the big sorts of things -- blood work, chest x-ray, ekg. the colonoscopy would be the biggest procedure he'd have today. >> another big announcement, sanjay, this is a big day when it comes to covid and the fight of the pandemic. boosters, the fda signing off on expanding access to boosters to all adults. the cdc advisers are meeting today. what happens today, sanjay? >> this is a process we've seen
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unfold a few times now talking through the vaccine authorizations. the fda has weighed in basically saying all adults -- authorizes the booster for all adults. the cdc is likely to make this a formal recommendation this afternoon. i think what is sort of driving this is some of the data we've seen over time. we know that the number of boosters that have been administered, but if you look at the overall rate of illness, severe illness, leading to hospitalization among vaccinated or unvaccinated, largely, you know, it's almost all unvaccinated. we had data going up to sort of august with regards to the overall change in hospitalization rates. i don't know if we have that graph and can put it up. i think more recently what they have seen is that the number of people who are developing illness that is significant enough to end up in the hospital who have been vaccinated has ticked up a bit. when it's ticked up.
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they're trying to figure out do boosters make a different. if we have the data from israel, please put it up and i can show you. basely most of the people ending up in the hospital with covid are the unvaccinated. the next biggest category is people who have received the vaccine. but we do see people who have been boosted getting additional protection from that severe illness. so that's i think what is really driving this. i think that's the critical point that the cdc and fda are thinking about today. >> good to see you, sanjay. thank you. >> thank you. coming up for us, the judge in the kyle rittenhouse trial raising more questions after he allowed a juror to take home the jury instructions. we're awaiting a verdict as we speak. details in a live report next.
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tell us about it. >> reporter: yeah, extremely unreal, really. in some ways it's hard to believe he even allowed this. again, this judge does things the way he wants to do. a juror came in yesterday at the end of the day when he was dismissing them to go home. she is sitting in the second row. she raised her hand to ask the judge a question. every day he ends his day by asking the jurors if they have any questions. she said yeah, she had a question. she wanted to know if she could bring the jury instructions, which contains all of the law and the things that they need to consider for the charges, 36 pages, she asked if she could bring it home. the judge looked around the courtroom, looked at the prosecutors, at the defense attorneys. the defense attorneys objected, but the judge allowed her to take it home. obviously, this is something that's never done. i've covered a lot of cases. i've never seen it done. but this is how the judge sort
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of does his thing. so as you said, they're back here. they came in around 9:00 a.m. and they've been deliberating. remarkable when you think about it. 24 hours, yesterday, we did not hear anything from the jurors. they stayed behind closed doors. they didn't ask for anything, didn't need anything, had their lunch and around 4:30 went home. the big question is what happens today. if they don't reach a verdict today, do they go into the weekend? we have yet to hear from the court what the plan is. >> shimon, stick close. appreciate it. now to georgia and the trial of three men accused of killing ahmaud arbery. the ashly family attorney telling cnn that an attorney for one of the defendants tried to reach a plea deal for their client and the prosecution declined. closing arguments are set to begin monday. cnn's martin savidge is live at the courthouse on this one. what are you learning about this plea deal request, martin? >> reporter: good morning, kate. this is another weird one here. lee merritt, the attorney that
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represents want d cooper-jones said he'd been in contact with the prosecution. the prosecution said last night, kevin goff, the attorney for bryan came to them and wanted to make some kind of a plea deal. we don't know what the deal was, don't know the details. we do know that the prosecution rejected it. wanda cooper-jones going into court today said yes, it's true. then we had kevin goff coming into court today and he was peppered with questions. take a listen. >> did you offer a plea deal? >> that's bull [ bleep ]. >> what are you referring to? >> i'm not getting into it with you. denied. thank you, sir. denied, denied, denied. i don't know what y'all are talking about. >> reporter: that is read into by a lot of people as implying that the defense might be very fearful now of their case after everybody has rested. we'll have to wait and see. closing arguments taking place on monday. could be up to six hours or more. today they're going over the
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charges that will be explained to the jury then. kate? >> all right. much more to come. martin, thank you. joining me is cnn's senior legal analyst elie honig and bernarda. what do you think of this, the family attorney for the arbery family says was an ask by one of the defendants for a plea deal, one that prosecutors declined? >> so this does happen sometimes. very rarely. it happened to me a handful of times while a jury was outout deliberating. a defense lawyer said would you be interested in a plea? my answer was always a no. as a general rule as a prosecutor, you don't take a plea while the jury is out if you have any confidence in your case. the natural inference we draw is there's some concern about this defendant about the strength of the government's case against them. also important, this lawyer represents william bryan. of the three defendants in the
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case, the evidence is the weakest against e william bryan. he was the guy in the follow car, the neighbor. so it's interesting that he of the three defendants, if true, was interested in pleading. >> i actually was, i mean, with my, you know, no legal basis to have this thought, was surprised that this request came from william bryan. what do you think it says about what they think of their case? >> absolutely. i'm not surprised that this request came from william bryan. i am surprised at the timing of the request. i would think he would have made it prior to the trial starting. but the writing is on the wall for him. he saw the evidence presented and it's shown that his client is guilty, so he has a high likely hood of being convicted. now he wants to limit his exposure. i'm not surprised at the ask. the question will be what was the exact ask? what number was he looking senate. >> good point. elie, can we move to wisconsin now? i do want to ask you, as the
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rittenhouse trial is now -- the jury is deliberatdeliberating, yesterday, as poke pshimon prok was laying out, the judge agreed to let one juror take the jury instructions home. what's your reaction to that? >> first of all, that never happens. like shimon said, i've been part of many, many trials. i canvassed my friends here. nobody's ever heard of this request being made. on the one hand, it suggests that the jury is looking very carely at their legal instructions, which is a good thing. that's what they're supposed to do. i think it was a risky decision by the judge to allow them to take the jury instructions home because the whole point of a jury deliberation, the tjudge tells them over and over, you are only to deliberate back there in that room. you are not to consider anything from the outside world, anything you may have seen or done or heard. now he's essentially letting them take home homework, which
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in my experience is completely unprecedented. it's an interesting move. it gives us insight into where the jury is focused. but i would not have let them take it home. >> the way it played out according to reporters in the room, once the jury had left the room, the defense team, after this had kind of been established and the judge gave the go-ahead, the defense team said they were concerned it could lead to the jurors looking up dechgss or doing research on their own. that's how it was described. why is that a concern for the defense? >> the concern for the defense, if there is a conviction in this case, it will be grounds for appeal. this is uns predented that a jr. is allowed to take the jury instructions home. the jury deliberations only take place when all 12 are gathered together. also take it a step further, jurors aren't allowed to take their notes home or outside of the courthouse, so for a juror to be allowed to take the law
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that they have to apply to the facts, crucial piece of deliberations, home i think disrupts the sanctity of jury deliberations. so you don't know what they're doing, talking to other people, researching, looking at the news. you just don't know. i think sanctity of jury deliberation has been interrupted. >> closing arguments, elie, and we discussed, so important in the rittenhouse case. what do you think closings will look like next week over in georgia? >> i think prosecutor is going to focus on two key points. one, this whole defense of citizens arrest is nonsense. the reason they were pursuing ahmaud arbery was not to place him under citizens arrest. it was because they saw a young black man jogging through their neighborhood and aimed to do him harm, and there's plenty of evidence to support that. the second piece is that travis
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mcmichael's testimony happened during the struggle immediately before the shooting is false, because travel mcmichael tried to tell this jury that ahmaud arbery had his hand on the gun. however, mcmichael told the cops when this happened that he did not know if arbery had his hand on the gun. that's a huge problem for the defense, and i look for the prosecution to try to really slam home those two themes. >> great to see you both. thank you very much. >> thanks, kate. coming up for us, a group of state a.g.s are looking into the potential harm of instagram on kids. we'll talk to the attorney general of california on the bipartisan investigation he is now helping to lead into the social media giant. ♪ the one desire ♪ ♪ you are, you are, ♪ ♪ don't wanna hear you say... ♪ ♪
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attorney general rob bonta, one of the ten ags leading this new investigation. attorney general, thanks for being here. can you lay out for me what you are going to investigate and how you're going to go about it? what do you think you can compel facebook to give you? >> well, good morning, kate. thanks for having me. we are working here in california with multiple states throughout the nation on a national bipartisan investigation of meta, of course formerly known as facebook, to learn more about their efforts to provide and promote their social media platform, instagram, to children and young adults, knowing that it caused physical and mental health harms, including things like suicide, eating disorders, depression, anxiety, body image challenges. and we have a lot of authority to seek documents and information and disclosure and transparency as part of our
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investigation, especially multiple states throughout the nation working together in tandem. and we're going to get to the bottom of this. questions need to be answered. meta needs to answer those questions. we'll get those answers. >> what's your key question for meta? >> what did you know about the damage instagram caused to children and young adults? and having known that, what did you do, if anything, to protect our children? this is about holding companies, no matter what their size is, whether large or small, or the biggest in the world, accountable for taking steps and actions that are safe for your children. nothing is more valuable than our kids. as a father, as an attorney general with the responsibility and duty to protect the most vulnerable and voiceless among us, especially and including our children, we will defend our children. we will not back down. and we want to ensure meta is taking steps to protect our
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children. >> will you go to courts to compel smark zuckerberg to give testimony in the investigation? >> we are taking it one step at a time. we are at the beginning of the investigation. we are hoping in the weeks and months ahead through meta, we will receive the documents, the disclosure we seek. if we don't and we're not prejudging that, we hope that we will. then we will take the next steps to make sure that we get the documents, the information, the disclosure that we are due and that we are owed under the law. >> meta, facebook, is headquartered in your state, of course. so it really matters what you say at the end of this, attorney general. what do you see as the possible outcomes of this investigation? >> practices and policies and procedures that promote the health, safety, and welfare of our children and accountability for any actions that were taken
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in the past that did not meet that standard. we have incredible companies here in california. we're proud of them. they dream and innovate and they do and they create. but they must also do right by everyday people, by consumers, and certainly by children. we'll find out what they're doing, when they did it, what they're doing now, and we'll make sure our children are being safe and protected and that there is accountability and consequence for any past actions that fell below the legal standard. >> people who have been pushing for more tech regulation, especially when it comes to facebook, have often compared these efforts as similar to cracking down on big tobacco in years past. and that is also a time and an issue where states played a very key role in putting in place more regulations. do you see this fight as similar? do you see this fight as something as big as taking on big tobacco? >> i've heard that parallel
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drawn, and i think what's important here is that as attorneys general, bipartisan throughout this nation, we're working to hold our tech companies accountable to standards that are safe, responsible. and as we learn information, including what we've seen in the news, what we see in congressional hearings, we have big concerns. so we do what we do. we team up to protect the people. >> attorney general bonta, thank you. >> thanks for having me, kate. coming up for us, growing international outcry over a missing chinese tennis star. why won't china tell the world where that player? details next. first, the top ten cnn heroes of 2021 have been announced an one will be the "cnn hero of the year." you get to vote. we'll introduce the heros to you, like a woman in colombia who started an organization to disrupt the cycle of poverty in isolated communities. >> the families that we are
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this morning united nations is demanding proof of the whereabouts and well-being of chinese tennis star peng shuai who has not been seen publicly in two and a half weeks, and that's after accusing the former chinese vice premier of sexual assault. the head of the women's tennis association is now threatening to stop doing business with china because of this. >> there's too many times in our world today when we get into
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issues like this that we let business, politics, money dictate what's right and what's wrong. we're definitely willing to pull our business and deal with all the complications that come with it because this is certainly -- this is bigger than the business. >> meantime, chinese state media aired these images of peng today, but cnn unable to verify from when they are from. joining me now kristine brennan cbs news columnist. i give steve simon a huge amount of credit to stand up and say what he did. the heads of biggest and much wealthier sports leagues have not taken that position when it comes to china. what do you think of what simon is saying? >> i think it's terrific. when do we see someone stand up in sports anymore and do the right thing and they double down on it because he's had several statements now, two of them, huge statements. this is a bellwether moment that we are seeing the wta stand up obviously to try to find peng
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shuai, wants answers, demands answers and continues to demand. it is remarkable. it is wonderful. it is a breath of fresh air frankly, and that someone is saying, hey, china, let's see if you blink. china's human rights violations, obviously this story, are so troubling, and they have been going on for years, as we know, kate, and to think finally someone is standing up enough is enough. we're calling you on this and we want answers. it's remarkable and a very refreshing moment in sports and really throughout our culture. >> you know, and he even went the step of questioning, maybe threatening of pulling business from china, if women's tennis will continue their relationship in china depending on how this goes out. i mean, if women's tennis breaks with china, how big of a deal is that? >> it's a very big deal. there are ten tournaments that the wta has in china. to have that foothold in china, any business wants it. that's why there's not one
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olympics in china, 2008 beijing summer games and now the upcoming 2022 winter olympics. everyone wants to do business in china. all the corporate sponsors, all the sports leagues, everyone. you want to give that 1.4 billion person market. that makes sense. but there's something also overlooked in this conversation and that's china desperately wants to be given that sense that it belongs and it wants to be a major player in the sports world, so this matters to them, too, and i think that's where what we're seeing here. it's not just a one-way street. there is leverage for the international olympic commit. there is leverage for the wta. they are using it, obviously, for a very good humanitarian cause. they are trying to lead and find out where peng shuai is. is she safe, okay in our me, too world, but i do think china desperately wants to be a major player so there's leverage on the wta side as well. >> as mentioned the beijing olympics is just a few months away. we've got -- president biden is
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considering a diplomatic boycott of the games in order to send a signal there, and that's about human rights abuses much more broadly in china that we've been tracking for years, but also when it comes to peng shuai, cnn reached out to the olympic committee to ask for a reaction to the situation. i want to read for you what they said in response. experience shows that quiet diplomacy offers the best opportunity to find a solution for questions of such nature. this explains where the ioc will not comment any further on this stage. compare that to what we've heard from steve simon. >> right, and i actually was emailing with mark adams, their spokesperson and said you're kidding me, nothing really? the assurances -- happy to have assurances that she's safe which we don't even have those assurances anymore. this is what the ioc does. they have what they have done. they have failed to hold that leverage that they have over beijing in 2008. imagine, kate, if in '02, '03,
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or '04, stop the human rights completely or we're pulling the olympics out of china. they had that leverage and failed. the ioc fails time and time again. this is one athlete and in two and a half months the ioc olympic committee will be in charge of several thousand athletes. many will want to speak out and we'll see what happens then. it could be very troubling. >> kristine, thanks for being here. appreciate it. fareed zakaria takes an in-depth look at china's liter and iron fist xi jinping and their stakes for america. that airs sunday night at 9:00 p.m. thanks for being here. ite kate balduan. "inside politics" with john king begins after this break.
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