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this is cnn breaking news. >> good friday morning to you. it is friday, but a heck of a lot of news before the weekend. i'm jim sciutto. >> i'm erica hill. we're following three breaking news stories this morning. right now, democrats finally on the verge of passing president biden's build back better plan. the house set to vote on sweeping $1.9 trillion social spending bill any moment now. this after house minority leader kevin mccarthy successfully thwarted a vote planned for last night, with the longest house floor speech ever. >> now the vote is going to go ahead. also in the last hour, the fda approved booster shots of both pfizer and moderna covid vaccines for all adults in the
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u.s., previously they had only been authorized for adults 65 and older as well as people with immune deficiencies, what that means for you and me, all of us ahead. at any moment president biden is to receive his first physical as president. we're going to help keep you on top of it. kaitlan collins joins us from the white house. jessica dean on capitol hill. jessica, the vote, there is a procedural vote happening right now, but this vote is going to happen this morning, do they have the votes? is it going to pass? >> reporter: it is expected to pass. the vote is expected to happen this morning. of course, as you all mentioned, there was quite the hang-up overnight as house minority leader kevin mccarthy taking his privilege of unlimited time to speak and going for eight hours and 32 minutes. here we are now, the final votes, i'm watching them with one eye here, on this republican motion to send it back to the committee, that is expected to
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fail. and then they will move on to voting for the build back better act, which as i mentioned is expected to pass. and this has been weeks and weeks of negotiations. you remember a deal was struck with a handful of moderates who committed to voting for it after they got that cbo score back. and they now are committed to voting for it. they do have the votes. we do expect it to pass and then it will go over to the other chamber, to the senate, where we expect a lot of changes to be made to this bill. it is not going to come back to the house in the same form that it is leaving. why? well, senator joe manchin and senator kyrsten sinema specifically expressed reservations, a lot of reservations about a number of the provisions of the bill coming out of the house. among them, on manchin's side, paid leave, expanding medicare. these are all things that are going to have to get negotiated on the senate side and then come back to the house and the question there is will it be enough for progressives? we do expect president biden to
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really be getting into it with the senate side. he's made that commitment to progressives on the house side that he will get all of these 50 democratic senators on board. so that's what we're watching right now. that build back better act vote should be coming very soon. >> soon. soon, soon, soon. that is the four letter word. >> it might apply some time. >> i think this time around it may mean something. kaitlan, in terms of that next step in the senate, as we're starting to talk about, that is the next step. as jessica laid out, there could be a hurdle or two there. just how optimistic is the white house this morning? >> well, they're hopeful to get this passed. this is a vote they thought they were going to have in their hands about 12 hours ago. and, of course, that got delayed by kevin mccarthy's speech that lasted as jessica noted for eight hours and 32 minutes. the white house was hopeful this would happen last night. they don't think in the long
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scheme of things this is going to change the outcome. they still believe they have the votes, given one democrat has said they plan to vote against this bill, passing the house, of course, now putting it in the hands of the senate, where the white house knows it is likely to change. because we don't even have senator manchin saying yet he's ready to take up this bill to get that process started. so the white house knows that this is going to be a challenge to come. this vote that is going to happen that is likely to happen here, any minute now, is really just going to be a next step in this, the next challenge, of course, is actually getting it through the senate and seeing what the senate is going to do with it. it is not just the moderates like senator joe manchin concerned about the size of this bill, also the scope of this is something that still remains to be seen what it will look like in its final form. with senator bernie sanders saying yesterday, he's not comfortable with where the current provisions of that state and local tax deduction are, because a lot of crittics have said, and rightly pointed out, it would amount to a tax break for the wealthy and that is not the point and not what you hear from president biden when they
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talk about this bill. they want to focus on the other aspects of it, including the fact that it is the biggest expansion to the social safety net in several decades, the biggest ever effort to combat climate change. they believe the orther parts o it, what is known as the salt tax, it is inevitable. they say in order to get the moderate democrats on board, you have to also have components like that. sao that is the way the white house is viewing it. they are hopeful to get this passed, actually have this notch on their belt today as you are going to see from president biden later today, when he does that thanksgiving tradition of pardoning those turkeys. he's also likely to talk about this because they had a statement ready to go last night, that statement was delayed by the speech given by kevin mccarthy. >> you talked to democrats in new york and new jersey, they're not going to vote for this without the salt tax raising the caps. thank you very much. well, the numbers, new analysis by the congressional budget office, nonpartisan, we should note, now reveals the
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cost of the build back better act. it says it will add $367 billion over ten years, but we should note that estimate excludes any additional revenue generated by greater enforcement of tax collections. >> chief business correspondent christine romans joining us now. walk us through the cbo calculations, and how we should be looking at that. >> that tax enforcement part of it is very important. for years, the irs budget has been cut, cut, cut. there are tax scofflaws, people who don't take their paxtaxes, you can get much more of that back in taxes that are due into the government. so what the cbo is saying, over ten years, the cost of this legislation will be $367 billion over ten years. if you include irs enforcement revenue, it would only be $167 billion, and frankly there are people, the treasury, the white house, and even some other economists saying they think it would be much, much less than that. it would get a lot of money by actually enforcing american tax
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laws. >> that we should note is a fraction of what the cbo estimated that the 2017 tax cut added by a factor of 10 to the deficit over a number of ten years. >> it ballooned the deficit. the 2017 tax law at the time was forecast to add about $1.4 trillion to the deficit over a decade. it is now $1.9 trillion is the estimate. only gotten worse. what you're talking about here is build back better is a reordering of priorities of the american economy, away from corporations of the rich who got a lot of money in that 2017 tax reform and investing in working people, elderly people, healthcare, lower drug costs, housing, and the climate. the climate is the biggest part of this build back better. it is definitely a generational reordering of priorities here. you will hear republicans and some democrats screaming about adding a penny to the deficit, just a reminder it wasn't very long ago that no one was really screaming very loud about adding to the deficit by giving money to companies and to the super
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rich. >> you also heard screaming about actually pushing for the irs to collect taxes that are due. and that in doing that, the rich will always find a work around. they may, but it is still mind boggling to many americans that there would be a pushback on people actually paying their fair share since so many americans do that already. >> yeah, tax enforcement is a really important part of how to pay for this. larry summers, former treasury secretary and others said they think the cbo might be underestimating how much money you would get from just actually enforcing tax law as it is, how much money that would bring in, that would help pay for these democratic priorities. >> christine, appreciate it, thank you. also with us now, political analyst margaret talev and tolu olorunnipa for the washington post. nice to see you both on this very quiet friday morning as we await that vote. margaret, it is important to maybe pause for a moment and look at just how significant this vote will be this morning.
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>> i think that's absolutely right. there were some central tenets to joe biden's campaign for president, but one of them was since the start of this presidency, this plan. and, yes, it is scaled back from what the most progressive members of the democratic caucus aimed for. but it is a massive expansion of social safety net in america that could have implications for decades to come. the question for democrats is it going to have implications between now and the midterm elections? can they get credit for it. if they do get credit for it, will it be positive credit, will it help them or used to message against them and funnel this idea that inflation is a problem and this is contributing to it. but that cbo score that came last night is so important because not only did it pave the way for the vote that we're about to see, but it gave legitimacy to the white house's argument this was a fiscally
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responsible plan. the white house coming back and saying, we don't think it is going to add anything to the deficit, we think it is going to offset the deficit. whether or not that's true, that $160 billion figure that we're talking about in terms of adding to the deficit over a decade is, like, a tiny, teeny tiny fraction of the amount of money that is going to go to the economy and into people's lives through this plan. it is a tiny fraction, like less than 1%. >> listen, in a classic washington phenomenon, the protests over adding to the deficit only happen for the other side's priorities, right? either party very happy to add to the deficit for their own priorities. tolu, the issue with this, for democrats, right, is it the big bill doesn't seem to be very popular, but all the constituent parts of the bill really are. you know, lower drug prices, child care tax credit, universal pre-k. do democrats have a plan to sell the parts of this so that, you
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know, if they think they can get political benefit as margaret was talking about in 2022, that they can from it, or have they lost that battle? >> they are still fighting that battle. there is going to be a big battle in 2022. i think 2021 they have been so focused on trying to get the bill through, working through some of the negotiations and some of the actual battles that they have within their own caucus between liberals and moderates and it has been messy. now they're pushing this through and this gets across the senate and into the white house and on to president biden's desk, then they can spend the next several months talking about the various pieces of this bill that are go to be affecting people's lives. people being able to send their 3-year-olds and 4-year-olds to preschool without having to pay for child care, people having money in their pockets through the $300 a month that is going to be going to almost 40 million households. they can campaign on these things, they're going to have to work out the messaging because it has not been very strong over the past few months as they have been fighting and as they have been negotiating and as everyone has been witnessing the sausage-making process.
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now that we're getting closer to the finish line, they have to transition and there is going to be a lot of resistance, republicans will say this is adding to inflation this is making things cost more, democrats are giving you more money, how far is that going to go when your grocery bill is going up, when the gas bill is going up. there is going to be negotiations and over this messaging, but it will be very interesting to see how it works out over next year. >> the vote has now started on the actual passage of the bill. >> it is interesting, too, messaging, right, very diplomatic, we have been talking about the messaging, messaging is going to be key here. especially as this moves into the senate, because this is frankly an area when it comes to messaging, democrats have not done well on that at all. i think you could say they have failed in pushing either infrastructure or this bill in a message that is clear and really cuts through to people. >> that's absolutely true. and you're also right to point out that even after this vote happened, you're going to hear the chamber erupt in applause
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and everyone take credit for it. it doesn't mean that the thing has become law. it still has to survive a more difficult road in the senate, a more difficult road because of some democratic resistance. not much, but a little bit. and, look, i think the messaging is very interesting, particularly based on this cbo score, which will help the democrats try to push this in the senate. because an element of that tax collection goes to getting money back from companies like amazon, facebook, the companies that the republican party is now positioning itself against and saying we're the party of the working man and corporations -- massive global corporations are bad. and this goes to enforcement of their tax provisions, of collecting money for them. i think the democrats obviously have an opportunity to talk about how this would impact your drug prices, your day care, preschool, early schooling for your children, what happens on
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the later side of your life when you need healthcare. can they do it and will it be enough to convince the most resistant in their own party. that's what we'll see in the next several weeks or months. >> we'll see how much give they have to give. stand by. we have live events on the floor of the house there, as the vote is progressing on passage. jessica, you're up on the hill. tell us what's happening now. >> well, the vote is happening. after weeks and weeks, months of negotiations, jim and erica, the house now voting on the build back better act and really just in the last, i don't know, minute and a half, the energy here has kicked up several notches. many people filing in and out as they start to vote on this. and a lot of excitement among democrats. house speaker nancy pelosi has been seen on the floor huddling with people, democratic leadership seem to be in quite a good mood. this is a big day for them. they have been working long and hard to get this passed and after that delay overnight with house minority leader kevin mccarthy speaking for that marathon 8 1/2 hours, the time
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has come now for democrats to see this through the finish line in the house. now, let's put a -- pump the brakes, it goes to the senate, where it is going to go through a long and arduous process of getting through what will pass the senate and get the support of all 50 senators over there. for this moment in time, we're now watching as democrats vote to move the build back better act forward. we do expect this to pass. we know there is one democratic lawmaker that has said he does not support it, but nancy pelosi appears to have the votes to get this across the finish line. like i said, a lot of energy here on the democratic side. they're ready to see this move forward. it is something that especially progressives have had their eye on voting, making -- cutting that deal not too long ago to get the infrastructure bill passed in exchange for a promise to vote on this bill this week. the handful of moderates who were holding out getting that cbo score yesterday that they now have supported this bill. now we will see it moving
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forward. >> listen, it still has to go to the senate. if it does get through there, this would be the third major piece of legislation this year. go back to covid relief, infrastructure, which has been passed and this is a step. we'll see what happens. >> we'll see what happens. we'll take a quick break here. stay with us. much more to come on the other side. is struggling to manage your type 2 diabetes knocking you out of your zone? lowering your a1c with once-weekly ozempic® can help you get back in it. oh, oh, oh, ozempic®! my zone... lowering my a1c, cv risk, and losing some weight... now, back to the game! ozempic® is proven to lower a1c. most people who took ozempic® reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. and you may lose weight. adults lost on average up to 12 pounds.
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we continue to watch live pictures from the house up on capitol hill as a vote is under way on the passage of the
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democrats build back better act, which seems like they got the votes for it, to get it through the house there. jessica dean is on the hill, she's been seeing members filing in and out to cast their votes. jessica, when is it all going to come together? >> it is a rapidly moving that way, jim and erica. remember also too, this is their last vote before thanksgiving recess in addition to being a major priority for them. so things are moving pretty quickly now. we did see one house democrat, jared golden, of maine, vote against this, that was expected. he had said to a local paper yesterday that it was the salt tax deduction and that is state and local tax deductions, they were going to remove the cap on that. that was needed to get the moderate support. we have been talking about this all morning, once it goes over to the senate, there are various senators who -- over there who are also concerned about that, mainly senator bernie sanders who voted an idea of capping that at a certain income level. to zoom out right now what we're
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watching is something that house speaker nancy pelosi, democratic leadership have been working toward now for weeks and weeks, threading this needle between various factions in their party, between the progressives, the moderates, trying to get everyone on board to get this major part of president biden's legislative agenda through its kind of first hoop. and that's what we're going to see, that's what we are seeing right now. they do have the votes for this, we're expecting it to pass. this is a big moment for house democrats to see. we also have seen in the last several minutes a number of more moderate democrats who had been maybe unclear about how they were going to vote coming out for this. namely congresswoman alisa slotkin, michigan voting for this, she had been on the fence. so the white house also talking with them, talking with some of the more moderate members last night and into today as well i'm sure as they try to get this over the finish line, jim and erica. >> we'll continue to check in with you. as you pointed out, moving
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swiftly this morning. jessica dean, thank you. also breaking this morning, the fda approving both pfizer and moderna's booster shot requests for all adults. here to discuss, cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. this was expected. this means now anybody 18 and older, six months out from the second dose, can now get a booster. how significant is this? >> yeah, i mean, we do have to see if the cdc formally recommends it, but that is expected, that should happen later today. i think it is significant, first of all, if you just look at what the existing authorization is, it is for adults 65 and older, but also any adult who has conditions that put them at higher risk of severe covid. when you look at all the conditions, as we did, it really comprises close to 90% of adults. so this -- in overall i think it is going to be an easier communication thing saying all adults now eligible. but many adults were already
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eligible. i think the big thing here is that as we're especially going into the winter months, the idea that this protection of the vaccine may be starting to wane against severe illness, either because just the passage of time, or because of delta variant, we're still not entirely sure, but there has been some less protection. so people who are fully vaccinated, there is an increasing likelihood some of them could become more ill, develop symptoms. that's what the boosters are mostly about. i think that's what drove the fda's thinking and likely will drive the cdc's thinking as well. to offer that higher level of protection against serious disease. >> sanjay, erica raised a point earlier today. does this mean now to be considered fully vaccinated, you really need three shots or two if you had the j&j as your first one. is that the new definition of fully vaccinated?
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>> they're not saying that yet but that's certainly something we're going to be listening for today at the cdc meetings. it is a very important question. but right now still the definition of fully vaccinated is those first two shots. this is one of those situations where, you know, this may turn into a three-shot vaccine. as you see with other vaccines, like hepatitis, for example. it is possible that this is just becoming a three-shot regiment and that's it, not necessarily, you know, a booster every six months or a year after that. but we have to see what those formal recommendations are, but the answer to your question, fully vaccinated. at this point, it is still considered two shots for the mrna vaccines. >> don't go far. we'll need you on the next story. president biden we learned is at walter reed medical center. he's there to undergo his first routine, annual physical exam while in office. this is coming just a day before his 79th birthday. kaitlan collins at the white house. she's with us now. he will as is done transfer
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power to vice president harris during this physical. what more do we know about what will happen at walter reed today? >> you see the president there, arriving with his doctor this morning, he is at walter reed now. this is the first physical of his presidency. it is not because anything is wrong. this is pretty routine, presidents do have physicals, the white house will release a written statement after letting us know about the results of this. joe biden is the oldest sitting president, he turns 79 tomorrow and he assumed the presidency in january. he became the oldest sitting president. what is notable about this, the president while he's there for this physical is going to be getting a colonoscopy, which requires the president to get some anesthesia and be put under for a little bit. so the white house has confirmed that during that brief period of time, he will be transferring power of the presidency to vice president kamala harris, who we saw arrive at the white house earlier this morning. and the white house says she will be working out of her west wing office during that time. we should note there is precedent for this, it did happen when bush was in office,
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and he transferred power to vice president cheney at the time when he had a colonoscopy. i think it was about two hours that technically cheney was in charge. and so this isn't unusual. we have seen this before. but it does go to speak to the level of just what happens when a president is having a pretty routine exam like a physical, like what president biden is having now. so the white house has confirmed that will be happening and they say they will release a written statement on the president's results of what happened. of course, we saw with former president trump when he got his physical, his doctor came to the briefing room and took questions about his results. and so it is notable, of course. it is routine, but it is notable given he is the oldest sitting president and right now the vice president will be in charge technically for a little bit today. >> dr. gupta, as we noted, oldest first term president in u.s. history. will turn 79 tomorrow. it is routine. all presidents go through this. what does this exam mean for someone his age, though? what kinds of things will they be looking for? >> yeah, i mean, there is
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several things that, you know, as someone gets older that they need to be testing for. he also has a medical history which they have released in the past. and put up a few of those things for you, there is a few things that are most significant. he does have this history of atrial fibrillation, this heart beat abnormality. this is something i'm sure they're going to be looking at specifically. he takes a blood thinner for that. he has a history of having high cholesterol, takes a statin medication for that. the most significant thing, he had a brain operation for a cerebral aneurysm, that was back in 1988. i know from his past medical records, which i was looking at, there has been no evidence of a recurrence of that aneurysm. he had scans going back to 2014 that did not show that. that might be something that they are also looking at and then he had that history of breaking his foot as we know. so the colonoscopy, as kaitlan mentioned, probably the most
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significant part of the exam today. people do receive a sedative for that. something like propofol, typically the exami itself take under half an hour, but, you know, given the sedation, waking up for the sedation could be a couple of hours. that's the most significant part, but maybe have his heart, lungs, other vital organs examined as well. >> dr. sanjay gupta, kaitlan collins, appreciate it. up next, breaking developments in the trial for the three men accused of killing ahmaud arbery. we're learning the attorney for one of the defendants asked for a plea deal and was turned down. and in about 30 minutes, jurors will return for day four of deliberations in the kyle rittenhouse trial. the judge has allowed at least one of them to take home her jury instructions. what that all means coming up. find your breaking point. then break it. every emergen-c gives you a potent blend of nutrients so you can emerge your best
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breaking news, the defense attorney for one of tthe three charged in the ahmaud arbery murder asked for a plea deal. prosecutors rejected that offer. >> martin savidge has been covering the trial in brunswick, georgia. that's quite a moment in this trial to reach out, perhaps speaks to their perception of the strength of the prosecution's case. you're learning this from an attorney for arbery's mother, right? >> reporter: that's right. lee merritt is the attorney that represents wanda cooper jones, ahmaud arbery's mother. and lee merritt says that last night after the defense rested that kevin gauff, the attorney that represents william "roddie"
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bryan jr. went to the prosecution and asked them for some kind of a plea deal. and as you said, that plea deal was rejected. i got to say, the timing of that sounds really strange. pretty much the testimony is done in this trial. today they're going to go over the charging documents. so why you would think at that time you might have some leverage with the prosecution to work out a kind of deal for your client is hard to understand. but kevin gauff at times has been difficult to understand. so we wait to get some kind of word from him directly. we want to know is this really what happened. but as far as we are told, by lee merritt, that offer was made, it was rejected. the reason that lee merritt would know and wanda cooper jones would know is the state would probably consult with the victim's family on any issue when it comes to possible kind of arrangement on a plea deal. so, again, it was rejected, it is an 11th hour kind of plea
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deal, and as you point out, it clearly would indicate there is real concern amongst the defense that the case is not going well for them. >> yeah. it is a fascinating development. martin savidge live there in brunswick, thank you. also with us, cnn senior legal analyst, former federal prosecutor laura coates. great to see you. let's pick up where we left off with marty there. the timing of this, we saw two days of witnesses from the defense which largely focused on travis mcmichael. and then this sort of 11th hour request. what do you make of that? >> well, first of all, prosecutors don't give favorable plea offers or really any real plea offers after the case has been indicted. and certainly not after the trial has been empanelled. you have like a graduated plea offer in the sense of before you indict the case, there is one favorable plea offer to resolve it, once the case is indicted, it is a lesser favorable plea offer to you. when the trial is called, forget
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it. by the time you have a trial, where, remember, just yesterday the prosecution was able to have one of the defendants admit that ahmaud arbery was just running, he was not armed, he did not threaten them in any way, he was just running, and he tried to suggest that somehow his training as a member of the coast guard gave him a working knowledge of probable cause, that led him to conclude that somehow he was entitled to have somebody who was jogging stopped, answer his questions after being pursued for five minutes with a shotgun, told that -- and threatened that they would blow his, you know, f'ing head off in some way, shape or form and then shot him. this is such hubris, it is laughable if a man had not died. >> you get to this key question of self-defense here, which is central in the trial. to your point, mcmichael acknowledged he never saw arbery armed during their encounter, pursuit, never heard arbery verbally threaten him, and, key,
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arbery didn't respond or show any interest in conversing with mcmichael, which would undermine the argument they were going head to head here. from a legal standpoint, how does that undermine, if you believe it, undermines the defense case here on self-defense? >> it fatally undermines it. remember, the idea, the notion of self-defense is that you are using the amount of force necessary to stop a force against you. it is a kill or be killed scenario. it is not i would like to talk to you, even though i'm not a cop, i have no legal right to make you stop, you can simply walk on by, but i somehow feel personally entitled does not transform into you having some belief, reasonable belief that this person poses imminent harm to you and your body imminently or to serious bodily injury. that's where they're missing this very obvious motion. we have a very educated jury, from the court of public opinion
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now, the idea that someone could believe that if you don't stop and talk to me, i'm entitled to shoot you, imagine, frankly, a woman walking down the street, and somehow some man wants to catcall her and wants her to stop, is he entitled for her to actually stop and turn around? she has no posing of a threat, she doesn't want to talk to the person, are we saying somebody, somehow could suggest that that would be enough? they want to go a step further and say, because they think that there has been crimes in their area before, and they have no idea if this is the person to do it, that suddenly they're even more entitled, that is not self-defense law. and that's not what you ought to be able to do in the united states of america or anywhere else. >> laura coates, thanks so much. a lot to watch in that trial there. and, boy, is there a lot of news this morning as you see live pictures of the house vote under way on the democrats' build back better act. we're close to the final tally, almost there, you see a couple dozen votes still to be counted.
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the vote is being counted on the house floor. they're clapping there. jessica dean, is this officially passed now? build back better, has it passed the house? >> reporter: it has passed. you see lawmakers, democratic lawmakers cheering on the side there, a big eruption of build
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back better, the chant of build back better erupting out of the chamber now. you see it there. it has crossed that 218 threshold, one democratic lawmaker defecting. that was expected. but, again, a big moment for nancy pelosi, house democratic leadership and also president biden as he sees a monumental step forward for the second part of his domestic agenda. we saw the infrastructure plan pass, it is now law, this is the next step. this would dramatically expand the social safety net within this country, and provide -- put into place a lot of climate provisions to fight climate change. so what happens now? it goes over to the senate, where it is probably going to look a lot different than what is coming out of the house. they have to get all 50 democratic senators on board, that is a process that is going to take a lot of time. we have seen senator joe manchin express a lot of concern about a number of provisions within the bill coming out of the house,
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kyrsten sinema, we see bernie sanders not happy with this state and local tax deduction cap that has been removed. there is some things that are going to have to be finessed here and a lot of procedure that is going to happen in the senate. the big news right now is that they have crossed this first very important threshold, it that to come out of the house first. and, jim and erica, you have been here all along as we have gone now for weeks and weeks and weeks as they have tried to thread this needle between the factions and this party to get to this very moment. this is a big victory for house democrats and they are quite happy as evidented videnced by cheering we're hearing come out of the capitol. >> third piece of legislation if it gets through the senate this year for democrats following the covid relief package and the infrastructure bill. the bipartisan infrastructure bill, that's no small thing. as you say, jessica, hurdles to overcome in the senate. do we know how high those
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hurdles are and did the cbo score lower than some had been concerned about, the cbo score of how much this would add to the deficit moves joe manchin, for instance? >> reporter: it doesn't hurt, right? it only helps in the situation. we specifically for manchin have heard time and time again he is concerned. he's talked about his concern about inflation. he's talked about his concern about growing some of these programs like medicare, when he's worried about shoring them up for the future as they currently stand. so there is still a lot to negotiate. for example, also, this bill coming out of the house has four weeks of paid family leave in it. that is very likely to get stripped out of the bill that goes into the senate. so it remains to be seen exactly what shape this is going to take. and just how long it will take to get there. like i said, there is a lot of procedural hurdles that have to take place because they are using the specific pathway
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forward that requires only democratic support. so they got to work that out procedurally. they also have to work it out amongst themselves and we are -- >> jessica, hang -- hold on there. we're going to listen in on events on the house floor. i believe this is speaker nancy pelosi at the podium. >> they cut off the audio from the house flar. but but that is the speaker up there before the american flag. maybe you can help us understand procedurally here, i can do the math and see 220 votes for it, 210 against, four no votes, that's enough to pass. has it officially passed? are we waiting for the dots -- the is to be dotted? >> reporter: because we can't hear, i'm outside the chamber, what we do know is the republicans called for another procedural vote after this, which is why people are kind of lingering around. that does not impact the passage of this at all. it has passed. they have the numbers. they needed to get to 218,
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they're at 220. they have passed this bill. but why you're seeing people linger around is because there is likely going to be another procedural vote after this. we are also expecting as you guys mentioned to hear from house speaker nancy pelosi on the floor, but also likely after she comes off the floor as well. there she is. >> the ayes are 220. the nays are 213. the build back better bill is passed !
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>> interesting. on the left-hand side of the screen, a lot of excitement, you can hear it in the speaker's voice, see it in her face, getting to this moment as we have talked and, jessica, as you pointed out over the last several weeks, was no small feat. this was a very heavy lift. they're going to take this moment, they're going to enjoy this moment. but now in many ways more of the hard work is on the plate right in the senate for democrats as they try to get joe manchin on board, bernie sanders had some issues with it as you pointed out. so walk us through what is next at this point, jessica? >> so at this point everybody is
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going to go home for thanksgiving first. so the house is going to leave after this. the senate is already out. once they come back in the senate, they're going to start working on this diligently. they have been talking about this, of course. now that it is formally going to make its way over there, they're going to really buckle down on this. now, the house -- i'm sorry, the senate majority leader chuck schumer said he hopes to have -- hopes to have this on the floor by christmas. but jim and erica, that's a very tight timeline in the best of circumstances. just to, like, zoom out and give you the big picture on the senate for a second, remember, they got to deal with the debt limit that is coming up. they got to deal with the government funding. they're doing the defense act. they got a lot going on over there. that takes up floor time. so -- with the process that they're using, they're going to have to do vote avoramas and th is a lot of procedure that has to take place. in addition to that, they have to get on the same page. and they are not on the same page right now. that is the bottom line.
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they do not have all 50 senators and exactly the same page. they have to find their way forward. and it really runs the gamut because this is a big bill. there is a lot in it. you're expanding the social safety net. it is pre-k for 3 and 4-year-olds, it is -- there is paid leave in the house version, that's likely to come out on the senate side. it is prescription drug negotiations. but then there is also a whole host of climate provisions. that's really a giant part of this. and, joe manchin has had problems with a variety of these issues. kyrsten sinema had some issues with the prescription drug negotiations, but they seem to have worked out a deal she feels comfortable with. but there is a long way to go before they can get to this. so all the attention is this so further down the road it's got to come back to the house so we'll do this all over again, but, again -- >> practice. >> a big step. >> a big step. and climate provisions there, more than half a trillion
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dollars, that was a big subject of discussion at the g-20 because that's central to the u.s. commitment. >> reporter: right. >> kaitlan collins with us. this is a big day for the white house. the president at walter reed getting his annual physical and a colonoscopy, but they'll have a lot to celebrate in this moment. this is a big deal for president biden and the white house. >> reporter: one thing we should note is that this is a bill that the white house is expecting would pass the house last night. but then of course kevin mccarthy delivered that 8 1/2-hour speech. instead of this bill passing late at night, of course, when not a lot of people were paying attention, it's passing at 10:00 in the morning. >> good point. >> reporter: yeah. of course the white house was not thrilled with how that went. they wanted that vote to happen last night, but now potentially kevin mccarthy in essence is giving the white house a win, you know, in broad daylight when
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more people are paying attention to what's happening on the house floor. now this bill of course has passed. it came at a time when president biden is at walter reed getting that annual physical. we will see him later today because he's got that -- people are going home for thanksgiving -- he's got to do that annual thanksgiving tradition, pardoning the two turkeys. of course we likely will hear from president biden on this because last night if this passed about 10:00, they were going to issue a written statement from biden. now we will see him on camera before he leaves the white house for his own thanksgiving vacation to talk about this and to tout this, because, yes, they still have a very long road to go. we don't know what this bill will look like when it gets to the senate, but this is a big step for the white house, months in the making. that's why you saw the celebration there on the house floor with house speaker nancy pelosi triumphantly saying yes, we have got this passed at least through here for now. a big step for the white house.
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we'll likely hear from the president this afternoon. >> democrats have not had a lot of good news this week or days before. jessica, a quick question. i hate to put you on the spot for time line questions because this is capitol hill tea leave reading, but do we know the time line for this getting through the senate, perhaps back to the house? or is that just, you know, we have to wait and see? >> reporter: right. it's everyone's best guess at this point. the old adage is take the over when it comes to these things. at this point, schumer aiming for by christmas, manchin at first was kind of opposed to that. he was, you know, hesitant to commit to that. now we talked to him more recently. he said he was open to that if they could get to where they wanted to be. so the question now is will they get there. and, again, they're out all next week for thanksgiving. that puts us into the first week of december where they'll come right up against the debt limit, you know, deadline and also
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government funding deadline. these are things that take time and eat away at also the procedure they're going to need to be doing to get this through the senate. so, jim, the long answer to your question is we don't know exactly. but that is what they're working toward. i think that is the key at this point. that's what their goal is. we'll see if they can achieve it. >> in terms of pulling together, you know, what will happen in the senate, you know, i was noticing some reporting earlier this week, mark rhett, there are apparently conversations happening. paid family leave is a big issue for joe manchin, but senator gillibrand having conversations including with her republicans, her colleagues and their staff, and that could be a potential that becomes a stand-alone. what are those talks looking like today? >> absolutely. erica, this is really important. there has been a years-long
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effort largely led by women, heavily by democrats but republicans as well, about trying to find a way to create a paid family leave system in america that so many other western countries have. the details, what could it be, 12 weeks of paid family leave, what biden originally talked about, something smaller like four weeks, how much would the benefit be, would it be up to $4,000, less, how would it be paid for, pay in advance like a social security system or would it be a benefit? where would that money come from? all of those discussions have been under way for months as part of this plan. manchin doesn't want to do paid family leave through reconciliation. and gillibrand has been having conversations behind the scenes not just trying to understand where manchin is at but with some key republican women, lisa murk murkowski, like a handful of people just to understand what are the chances for a bipartisan
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deal if it can't happen through a democratic reconciliation. and this is another kind of issue that for a segment of americans would be hugely beneficial and important, but it costs a lot of money. >> yeah. and has big public support, as you mentioned, some bipartisan support, remarkably. with this passage here and then ongoing negotiations with the senate, what happens next with democrats in terms of, you know, the issue of messaging this? telling people what's in it? we show a lot of folks just don't know what's actually in the build back better. >> yeah. that's going to be battle of the next year for these democrats. they worked very hard to get the majority in the congress and the senate and the white house. they spent ten years in the wilderness not having power to do what they wanted to do. now, they did an infrastructure bill, which was bipartisan, a covid relief bill, which was an emergency bill, but this is the one bill that has their stamp of approval to say you put democrats in charge, you had
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democrats win in georgia in the senate, which was unexpected and was a huge lift, and this is what they've done with that power. now they have to be able to show voters you put us in power and they'll have to keep power by messaging on this bill. >> great to have all of you with us this morning as we talk through this together. thank you. we continue to follow events not just on capitol hill but a number of the trials we're watching today including developments in the ahmaud arbery case. we'll bring you the latest coming up. oins clinking in jar] ♪ you can get it if you really want it, by jimmy cliff ♪ [suitcase closing] [gusts of wind] [ding]
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on capitol hill, next stop the senate after minutes ago the house passed the president's build back better bill. we expect to hear from speaker nancy pelosi any moment and will bring you her comments live. while the landmark legislation takes a half step forward, president biden is at walter reed getting the first routine physical exam of his presidency. >> across the nation, we're keeping a close eye on two major trials this hour. we just learned prosecutors in the ahmaud arbery murder trial rejecting a last-minute plea deal offer from one of the three defendants. meantime, in kenosha, wisconsin, verdict watch continues for kyle rittenhouse. jurors returning right now to begin day four of deliberations. let's begin with the breaking news in washington. cnn's kaitlan collins is at a white house. melanie zanona is on capitol hill. melanie, they're going to try to enjoy this moment for as long as they can, democrats, but the reality is that enjoyment period may be short lived a

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