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this is "don lemon tonight." the jury in the homicide trial of kyle rittenhouse, who shot two people to death and wounded a third during protests in august of 2020, over the police shooting of jacob blake, wrapping up a second day of deliberations in kenosha, without a verdict today. they are expected to get back to work at 10:00 a.m. tomorrow. we have got a lot more on this, and in georgia, the trial of three white men accused of murder in the shooting death of a 25-year-old black man, ahmaud arbery. travis mcmichael taking the stand today, as the first defense witness and describing the moment he shot arbery. he, his father gregory mcmichael, and their neighbor william roddy bryan jr., are
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accused of chasing down and killing arbery, while he was out jogging. but it took months for them to be arrested, which happened only after a video of the shooting surfaced. and there is outrage all across the country over one of the defense attorneys who said, quote, we don't want any more black pastors coming here. hundreds of pastors expected tomorrow in that town for a prayer vigil in support of the family. that, as the defense teams for the three defendants started their presentation to the jury today. here's cnn's ryan young with the very latest. >> what did you do? >> reporter: travis mcmichael fired his shotgun three times killing ahmaud arbery. he took the stand in his own defense today. >> he had my gun. he struck me. >> it was obvious that he was -- it was obvious that he was attacking me, that if he would have got the shotgun from me, then it was a life-or-death situation.
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and i'm going to have to -- to stop him from doing this. >> reporter: mcmichael, the first witness for the defense, appeared emotional at times as he described his encounter with arbery in february of 2020. >> i turned around. we got -- and pulled his hand out from under and realized that he was deceased and i looked up and the police were right there. after that, it was a blur. it was shock and then it was a blur. >> reporter: during his testimony, mcmichael said a neighbor pointed towards the direction where arbery was fish running. travis said he grabbed his shotgun, and he and his father got in their pickup truck to try find him. >> asked what's going on. he never said anything to me. this -- this guy's -- this could be volatile. you know? this -- we got to watch it here. >> reporter: both mcmichaels told police they believe the man running was involved in the recent break-ins they heard about on social media. minutes into the chase, things took a deadly turn.
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>> the first shot, another shot, and then the second shot. i shot again because i was still fighting. he was all over me. he was all over that shotgun and he was not relenting. >> reporter: in cross-examination, the prosecution struck at the heart of the defense's claims -- they were going for a citizen's arrest. >> not once during your direct examination did you state that your intention was to effectuate an arrest of mr. arbery until your attorney asked you that leading question, isn't that right? >> yes. >> reporter: the prosecution also pointed out that none of the defendants knew why arbery was running that day. >> but your dad just said he is running down the road, correct? >> yes. >> and you didn't know where he was going when he was running down the road? >> i did not. >> all right. and you had no idea what he had actually been doing that day? >> not at that time, no. >> reporter: and reminded the
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jury there was an alternative to what occurred. >> you didn't tell your dad this is a really, really bad idea that could go really wrong for us and we should just stay here and call 9 11 you didn't say that, did you? >> reporter: wanda cooper jones spoke about her own pain after today's testimony. >> travis was on the stand wiping tears from his eyes. but again, travis is alife. alive. i mean, the tears he shedded today was no -- was -- can you imagine the tears that we have shared? >> so ryan young joins me now. ryan, thanks for joining us, sir. the defense attorney, kevin goff, who is representing william roddy bryan jr. has been in the spotlight for his comments about the black pastors being in the room. he didn't let up today, did he? >> no, don, and you actually have to wonder what he is thinking here because let's not forget the jury is not actually hearing him make these arguments over and over again but the community is. the world is.
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america is. and it seems like the pastors are responding to call. i mean, they have been showing up. we've been told that hundreds will be here tomorrow. you can kind of feel the town sort of changing because they are preparing for a large gathering. let's not forget there will be a prayer vigil in front of the courthouse. then, there'll be a march. for the most part, every single day. i'd say, don, there is a handful of people here. but all the sudden when kevin goff started talking in court and spotlighting some people like jesse jackson, like ben crump, you knew that more people were going to show up and that is going to be en masse tomorrow outside this courthouse while the prosecution is now putting their case on against travis mcmichael and asking them questions. it should be an interesting dynamic here tomorrow, don. interesting to see what happens when this all plays out. >> beyond that, what are you expecting tomorrow? >> i think it's those questions right there because the prosecution is going to have to really go back at travis's testimony, especially when he talks about the training he received in the coast guard when it comes to law enforcement.
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you think they are probably going to ask some questions about why did they have to cut him off? why was the gun close enough? why did this shoot three times? these are all questions i think a lot of people want to ask, especially after all this time and all this wondering. and let's not forget, that video that so many people have watched. we have seen it over and over, again. so of course, you are probably going to have some more questions. >> it is amazing we have these two trials happening in the cou country simultaneously. thank you very much, ryan young. michael moore, the former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia. good evening to you, sir. this was a surprise that mcmichael testified today. how did he do? >> i really thought he -- he hurt his case. the defense doesn't have much of a case to work with here. and i don't think mcmichael or travis mcmichael was a good witness. i thought for a minute that there might be a chance he would get up and say, look, it's my fault. don't put my father in jail. you know, i did the shooting and sort of fall on his sword but he
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clearly wasn't doing that. he wanted to be heard about his training and his coast guard time. one of the things he said is i know what deadly force is. he said that's why you don't hit people in the head with a club. but yet, in this case, he confronts a man jogging down the street with a loaded shotgun. so there is a lot to work with if you are the prosecutor, and i expect she'll -- she'll probably tear him up pretty good tomorrow. >> let me just, um, play this for you. um, michael. this is the moment where mcmichael said what he was thinking when he shot ahmaud arbery. watch. >> from the truck and by the time i get to the front of the truck, he is at the front-corner panel on the right-hand side and he turns and is on me -- is on me in a flash. i mean immediately on me. >> on you doing what? >> he grabs the shotgun and i believe i was struck on that -- that -- that first instance that
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we made contact. >> what were you thinking at that moment? >> i was thinking of my son. it sounds weird but that was the first -- it's the first thing that hit me. >> what did you do? >> i shot. >> why? >> he -- he had my gun. he -- he struck me. it was obvious that he was -- it was obvious that he was attacking me, that if he would have got the shotgun from me, then it was -- it was a life-or-death situation. >> my mouth is agape now because it was agape then. he was chasing him with a loaded shotgun. what did you think of that defense? life or death situation that he is describing? he created the situation. no? >> i think it is a ridiculous defense and it is a ridiculous argument to make. look. they chased ahmaud like animal and they ran him until he could run no more.
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and so, the one thing he could do when you -- it's fight or flight. they ran him out of steam. there was no more fight left in him. all he could do was try to keep a guy from shooting him with a loaded shotgun. why is travis out of the truck? why did you have a gun in your hand? if you are so afraid, why don't you get in the trouck and drive off? what is your dad doing in the back with a 357? i mean, all he is doing is digging himself a bigger hole. imagine what ahmaud was thinking when he is running those last-hundred feet. i mean, this is great fodder in -- in a great argument to be made by the prosecutor and that's why i really think at the end of the day tomorrow, she -- she is going to wear him out on the witness stand and he -- he is a terrible witness for himself and he -- um, he wants to be heard. he wants to tell his side of the story. the fact of the matter is they chased an innocent man down, without having any justification under law because even what they say doesn't fit.
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even the old statute that's been changed. and -- and confronted him with a gun because he was a young-black kid in a neighborhood. that's what they are having to defend against. >> okay. point very well taken. very well stated. i am not sure if it matters much, what you and i think or say on, you know, on this program. it matters how it plays with the jury. you said you believe that the prosecution is going to eat him up tomorrow, right? >> uh-huh. >> how -- but do you think -- how do you think that played with the jury? because we don't know. juries are unpredictable. >> you know, i think when he -- when he talked about his training and that he was taught to deescalate by pointing a loaded gun at somebody. i don't think many people buy that. when he talked about his training and how you don't strike a man in the head with a club because that's a deadly weapon and you don't want to use deadly force. well, then explain to me why you approached with a loaded shotgun, which we know is deadly force? i mean, there are things that are going to defy any defense
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that he is putting up. and they -- and for the -- for the layman, they defy kcredulit. and the problem is they can't rewrite what they told the initial-responding officers and, that is, all they saw was -- was a kid running down the street and they had some more colorful language for it. um, his father did. but that's what they saw. and so, you can't rewrite that. i don't like the fact that the jury is composed the way it is. i don't think it represents the community. i don't think it's -- you know, it's certainly disproportionately white jury. and i think the judge recognized that. i think, you know, but again, i know -- i know the lawyers in this case -- some of 'em. and -- and i think they're good people and i don't think they're -- they're racist. i think they're -- they're making strikes and trying to pick a jury that they think will
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be advantageous to their clients. >> they are doing -- they have to defend their client. that is what he their job is. >> it is and it's an important job. because it is also about defending the constitution and that is to make sure people get a fair trial. >> okay. let me ask you this. okay. sometimes, honestly, when i think of these two trials, i have to remember, like, which -- which one am i talking about here, right? because certain things can apply to both of them. a lot of it -- a lot of it we talk about can apply to both of them. what ever happened, michael, to calling 9-1-1? what about their claim that they were making a citizen's arrest or doing what the cops or the government should have been doing? >> right. well, i mean, it -- it's nonsense because they didn't see anything. remember, if they had seen something that they thought was a criminal act, what are they going to do? they are going to call 9-1-1. at one point during the testimony, he said my dad's had two strokes or something, or some kind of heart condition. you know, he's had these problems. well, why is this guy then who is infirmed -- supposedly infirmed -- chasing after a young man running down the
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street in the back -- jumping in the back of a truck with a loaded gun? why -- why is he doing that? why is he calling his kid to get there pretending they are a posse running through a brunswick neighborhood. so these are going to be arguments that we are going to hear and i -- and i -- you have to hope that the jury is going to hear them, too. it's funny, you mention the two cases. i will just say this quickly about it. you know, we are hearing the same argument. that is, look, i was out there brandishing my loaded rifle pointing it at somebody, was going to shoot them and because they tried to stop me from shooting them, now i should be justified in the killing. th that's nonsense. and hopefully -- and you got to hope the jurors will have enough common sense to see through it. >> michael, it is always a pleasure. it's been too long. sorry it's under these circumstances but we will talk soon. thank you very. i want to bring in lee merritt, the attorney for the family of ahmaud arbery. lee, thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thanks, don. >> so, um, let me ask you because i want to play this and then i want to ask you the question.
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this is some of what ahmaud arbery's mother wanda said after leaving the courtroom today. here it is. >> travis mcmichael killed my son all on assumptions. he had no real facts on where ahmaud was coming from, what ahmaud had done he just took actions into his own hands. travis killed ahmaud all on assumptions. he didn't have any facts on hand when he chose to pull the trigger, not one time but three times. >> so, my initial question was going to be that but i wanted to hear from her, first. how is she doing? how is she feeling? >> she is excited about tomorrow, quite honestly. she is looking forward to the prosecution's cross-examination. we know that travis mcmichael set himself up to be impeached on a lot of the misinformation he tried during his direct examination and so she told me
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she may not sleep tonight. she is excited about the cross-examination in the morning. >> uh-huh. do you agree with her -- mrs. c co cooper jones -- do you think this was all based on assumptions? and if so, what kind of assumptions? >> they made an assumption that the black man in the neighborhood -- which ahmaud was -- ahmaud regularly jogged that route -- was responsible for the crime taking place there. now, there was not substantial crime taking place in the neighborhood. a few open cars were -- were meddled around in and they made the assumption that that was ahmaud. there is no evidence to support that and as a result, ahmaud was murdered so, yeah, i agree with her. >> yeah. um, lee, you're a criminal defense attorney, right? am i correct? i just want to make -- double check. >> no, i am a civil rights attorney. >> all right. so -- but you know the courtrooms because i want to ask you about the self-defense claim. travis mcmichael is claiming self-defense saying that ahmaud was attacking him and that he felt his life was in danger.
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what do you say to that? how do you respond to it? >> there is no way, under american jurisprudence, that you can claim self-defense if you are the initial aggressor. unfortunately, we are dealing with few cases like this across the country. kyle rittenhouse is one of them. cameron lam in kansas city, which a lot of people aren't paying attention to, is another. but you cannot claim self-defense if you created the environment by which you needed to assert self-defense. ahmaud was cornered, chased for over five minutes. and then, ultimately, as the expert testified to earlier in the week, he -- he resorted to fight or flight. i have been trying to run away, i cannot get away, and so i have to fight to defend myself. so, ahmaud, had he survived, he could assert self-defense. the defendants cannot. >> uh-huh. so i have been wanting to talk to you about this um, lee, i didn't want to bother you, you know, in your personal time but now that you are on the air, i want to talk about one of the defense attorneys, kevin goff,
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complaining again about reverend jesse jackson being in the courtroom. he and others like al sharpton have been there to support ahmaud's family, right? so what do you have to say about those -- about goff's comments, about his complaints? >> it's important that judge womsley -- the judge in the case -- pointed out that it's become clear now that kevin goff, the attorney for roddy bryan is clearly attempting to aggravate, to instigate a situation in the black community. his goal is to get a mistrial but i want to point out that since jury selection, there have been 11 different motions filed against wanda cooper who was quietly set in that courtroom. there's been motions filed against her for masks that were worn, for her whimpering in the courtroom, for people she sat with. and so, at this point, the men who murdered her son, they are
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allowing her attorneys to target and harass her and it's -- it's -- it's really tragic. >> yeah. lee, i'm -- thank you for coming on tonight. we would love to have the mother on whenever she is ready to come back on. tomorrow, we'll be looking forward to in this case the prosecution and also those pastors who say they are going to come to town. we will be following it closely. thank you very much, lee merritt. >> thank you. thank you. take care. republican congressman posts a video -- a cartoon showing himself attacking the president and killing a congresswoman. but do republicans care? my take, next. high thryv! thryv? yep. i'm the all-in-one management software built for small business. high thryv! help me with scheduling? sure thing. up top. high thryv! payments? high thryv! promotions? high thryv! email marketing? almost there, hold on. wait for it. high thryv! manage my customer list? can do. will do. high thryv! post on social media? hash-tag high thryv my friend!
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i want you to sit town or just take a moment, whatever it is you are doing and listen to this because i think it's really important because it shows where we are tonight. who would have actually thought that this is -- was where we would be tonight? even after everything that we have seen over the past few years, right? the chaos, madness was over, right? it is not. it has gotten, in some ways, worse. who would have thought that the one-time party of lincoln -- and i know that i keep saying that because it just shows you how far they have fallen -- the party of lincoln refusing to
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condemn one of their own for posting a video that appears to show him killing a colleague, and then repeatedly refusing to apologize. acting like a video threatening another member of congress is nothing, right? refusing to take it seriously, just ten months after blood-thirsty rioters stormed the united states capitol. the house voting almost entirely along party lines to censure congressman paul gosar. and strip him of his committee assignments for posting that anime video showing him appearing to kill congresswoman al alexandria ocasio-cortez and even appearing to attack the president of the united states, joe biden. and the vast majority of republicans just couldn't bring themselves to censure gosar for that. only no surprise here, guess who? adam kinzinger and liz cheney had the courage of their convictions. voting with all of the democrats for the censure resolution.
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the most severe punishment, short of being expelled. okay? then, in a rare moment not seen in a decade, right, gosar stood in the well of the house chamber as the house speaker nancy pelosi read out the censure resolution. look at your screen. you see him right there. he is on the right side of your screen getting handshakes and pats on the back. republicans giving him on attaboy. this is where we are. but get this. only took about an hour. just about an hour later, he was at it again, seriously. paul gosar retweeting a supporter, the one that appeared to show him attacking alexandria ocasio-cortez. watch. >> it's sad. it is a sad day in which a
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member who leads a political party in the united states of america cannot bring themselves to say that issuing a depiction of murdering a member of congress is wrong. what is so hard -- hwhat is so hard about saying that this is wrong? this is not about me. this is not about representative gosar. but this is about what we are willing to accept. >> posting that svideo was wron, period. full stop. any responsible adult would realize that, and they would apologize. but, you know, i guess i shouldn't be surprised and i'm not. not really. after all, this is a man who just this afternoon as the house was debating censure, didn't apologize -- and wait for it --
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compared himself to alexander hamilton. >> to address and reject the mischaracterization, accusations from many in this body that the cartoon from my office is dangerous or threatening. it was not. and i reject the false narrative categorically. i do not espouse violence towards anyone. i never have. it was not my purpose to make anyone upset. i voluntarily took the cartoon down, not because it was, itself, a threat but because some thought it was. if i must join alexander ham conti ilton, so be it. >> so as we say, facts first. the fact is the censure vote against hamilton failed. >> mr. gosar, you are no alexander hamilton. you must be held accountable. >> the house speaker, nancy pelosi, saying that the censure of gosar shows that the
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country -- shows the country that congress has standards. >> the resolution on the floor today is about accountability. it is about integrity in this house. and it will serve as a reminder to this congress and to this country that the house is committed to upholding the highest standards of decorum in all that we do. >> but does washington still believe in those standards the speaker talked about? i know, high minded or whatever but the country was built on these principles. not that we always live them. but we aspire, right, to libve p to them, especially our leaders because all republicans had to do was acknowledge the truth that everybody could see. the video was wrong. all they had to do was say that. instead, they tried to make it about something, anything else. >> here we go, again.
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censoring speech, the most fundamental liberty we have is our right to speak ourks right to talk, our right to communicate, and they are going after that today because they don't like freedom. >> democrat policies are so pathetic and have done so poorly that the left has nothing else to do but troll the internet looking for ways to get offended, and then try to target members and strip them of their committees. this is a dumb waste of the ho house's time. >> today, we're critiquing paul gosar's anime. next week, we might be indicting the wily coyote for -- for often explosive ordinance against the roadrunner. >> this is where the republican party is right now, right? one ups man-ship. everyone is in their corner, no matter what, you have to defend it what it's wrong. making excuses for a member, whose behavior is inexcusable. >> it's an old definition of abuse of power.
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rules for thee but not for me. that is exactly what's happening here today. house democrats are preparing, once again, to break another precedent of the united states house of representatives. the speaker is burning down the house on her way out the door. >> hmm. rules for thee but not for me. he said that a bunch of times. i was like, is he talking about the former president? so, catchphrases like that, which will stick with many in the republican party. republicans are very good at messaging. saying over and over rules for thee, not for me. or build that wall or whatever it is. i'm not saying it's right but they know how to drive the little things home that stick. anything. turn it into a bumper sticker.
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anything to excuse inexcusable behavior. all of this is just a preview of what is to come if the gop assumes power. mark my words. and you can bet that they plan on it with the assault on the vote all across the country in the wake of the -- the last election and with the midterms looming. but they are kpcomplaining abou democrats holding gosar responsible? >> you are all negatively and permanently changing the way this body functions, forever. you are weaponizing the gavel against minority members. >> okay. so, think about it. again, what he is missing there -- you say changing the way the house functions. whose fault is that? is that the democrats' fault? as i have said -- and again, i don't belong to any party but i
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do believe the only party operating in reality right now is the democratic party. but think about that. this is what he -- he is not seeing. forest for the trees, right? changing the way this -- the body operates, congress. never before have republicans had so little moral fortitude. never before, have so few republicans had the courage to stand up like adam kinzinger and liz cheney. >> this is not an issue about party. um, the glorification of, the suggestion of, the killing of a colleague is completely unacceptable. and i think that, um, it's a clear violation of the house rules. i think it's a sad day but i think that it's really important for us to be very clear that violence has no place in our political discourse. >> but republicans kicked her out of her leadership position. one of the most conservative
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people in congress. her father was the vice president. extremely conservative. punishing liz cheney and apparently planning to unpunish the qanon congresswoman. >> i am guaranteed to get committees and there is no reason why i shouldn't have them. i've been told by kevin mccarthy. i've been told by steve scalise. i have been told by everyone, of course, i will get committee assignments back and i will get better ones than i had in the first place and there is no reason why i shan't houldn't ha them. >> this is where we are. this is a party that doesn't seem to believe that words matter. from bogus-conspiracy theories to a violent video to the big lie still being spread by a disgraced, twice-impeached, one-o one-term, insurrection-inspiring, ex-president. but words do matter. we saw how the big lie got us to this day, january 6th.
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so to discuss now the censure of gop congressman paul gosar, cnn political commentator s.e. cup is here and john avlon. >> good to see you. >> good to be here. >> i know. in person on the set. >> um, so, s.e., i am going to start with you. we are not hearing apologies from the minority leader mccarthy or congressman gosar over what happened with that -- that terrible video. it's said the gop is suggesting that there is going to be retribution when and if they take back control. why has extremism, threats of violence, why are they becoming pillars of the republican party? explain that, please. >> well, a couple reasons. um, this would have been a very easy choice. if republicans wanted to move past this, they would have very quickly just said we condemn
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this, let's move on. members of congress should not threaten other members of congress. they did not want to move on from this. this was the meal. they wanted to sit on this, and then have this display of the craziest members of their caucus today. the boeberts, the gaetz's, the greens. they wanted this because it feeds trumpism and where they want the party to go. the reason they have embraced the extremism is because trump laid it out for them. there is -- it's not a surprise that we are here today. trump -- from before he actually ran -- was inciting violence. telling people to beat up reporters. telling people oh beat up the opposition. calling people, like journalists and anyone who crossed his path, the enemy of the people. this is -- these roadblock -- building blocks were laid out. and republicans, like kevin mccarthy and the rest of them are just following the bread crumbs. >> is there -- before i get to you, john, and i am going to play more of what we heard. but is there a place for people like you in the party, anymore? >> oh, definitely not. i mean, no.
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i -- i'm in a very lonely island. >> you are in the liz cheney and adam kinzinger island. >> i can sleep well on the island. but, no, i interviewed adam kinzinger recently for rolling stone and i said who are your voters? because i know i -- i'm into this message but who else? and he said well, there are about six of them and i can give you their names. so, it is a very small, lonely island because the party has left where we thought it was. it's been very disorienting and disappointing but clearly we are not -- you know, we are not the relevant voices. >> yeah. john, more of what we heard from the right today. >> they don't like freedom. you can see it. they don't like it. this is wrong. we know it's wrong. what they're doing to -- to our colleague, mr. gosar, is wrong. >> he took the video down. he put a statement that he does not believe in violence to anyone. but you see, when others on the other side of the aisle incite
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violence, it's okay because it's rules for thee but not for me. >> why is it so hard for the gop? i mean, to clearly condemn something that is reprehensible. >> so easy. >> and let's remember, just about an hour or so after being censured with that video, i mean, he retweeted -- >> yep. >> dwsh -- the same video. >> it almost makes you think that the apology wasn't sin vev cere, don, right? it tooks days to apologize. it was only the prospect of censure that it kicked in. at the end of the day, this is very common sense. this is an up or down vote on whether it's okay to threaten to kill your colleagues. not exactly -- not exactly a tough call. >> let's see. hmm. >> yeah. but of course, they are going to engage in an orgy of what aboutism to try to distract and muddy the issue and some folks can make points about process or precedent although if you look at the history of censures -- i
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mean, there have been now 24 in our country's history. everything from insulting the speaker to charlie wrangle and tax evasion and ethics to actually physically attacking members of congress on the floor. this is not a tough call but because it's downstream from donald trump, that creates an impediment. so what we saw, instead, were a whole series of lies and crocodile tears and threats. all, basically, previewing the campaign themes. >> and good performances. >> really? >> i was just like wow this is very dramatic and it was like performance art. >> want today. >> the most performance-art moment for me was lauren boebert really just -- just going for the gold. >> wait, hold it here. can we talk about that when we come back? i want to get a break in because then i am going to ask. it will be the first thing i am going to ask you on the other side. we'll be right back. uh carl, are there different planning options in here? options? plans we can build on our own,
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all right we are back now. s.e. and john are here. john, you wanted to talk about lauren boebert? >> yeah, look, for me, the classic moment is lauren boebert really going for the gold. going for the full crazy, the jihad squad on down. and then, her time's up and immediately cuts to a democrat who says is maya angelou reminds us, that just really captured the contrast between the two parties right now. it's just bonkers out there, people. >> what about this -- the retribution, s.e.? i mean, trump is expanding, you know, his revenge list to include gop members backed by -- the ones who backed the bipartisan infrastructure law. >> how dare they do their job? >> and help support people who they represent. >> and kevin mccarthy wants to be speaker and he knows he has to sound like jim jordan and he is going to push jim jordan out of the way. and so, he's got to out the trumpiest members of -- of congress and and -- and threaten
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this kind of language. and that's why you have people like marjorie taylor greene saying kevin mccarthy told me if we get another term, i am going to get my committees back. i mean, it's insane. >> but he did threaten directly today -- maxine waters, rashida tlaib, and ilhan omar. basically, with no committee assignments. >> i am a big housewives fan. i love bravo and the best villains, right, the most dangerous women are the ones who have no shame. they can't be embarrassed. they get the reunion and it's not like they watched the season and said oh god i looked terrible. they are incapable of shame. there is no line they won't cross. and they have nothing to lose. well, that's the republicans in congress now. incapable of shame. no line they will not cross. and they know they have nothing to lose because kevin mccarthy is not going to punish them for doing something terrible. in fact, they may be rewarded. >> you -- >> with another season. >> that is a perfect segue to the next question i want to ask when you look at what happened
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paul gosar getting attaboys -- it is -- and retweeting, right? and then, you have steve bannon turning, you know, what should be very -- a very shameful event into a circus by -- >> there is no shame. >> so, what -- a criminal contempt and he is like, yeah -- >> but there was a time, if you were a candidate and you were caught posing with like a white nationalist or a nazi at a campaign event, you would be done. now, it becomes a mailer. >> that's one of the things that gosar did. but look. to bring another tv reference, the old 1980s anti-drug ads, i learned it from you, dad. they all learned it from donald trump. it's all from donald trump. >> i thought you were going to say this is -- this is your brain on drugs! >> that, too. that, too. >> it's a fried egg, people. >> oh, my gosh. >> showing our age. >> thank you. i appreciate it. good to see both of you. okay. so, we have to talk about what is going on. so boosters for every adult? could happen by the end of the week. stay with us. we emit optimism, not exhaust.
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this is "don lemon tonight." censured. congressman paul gosar censured by the house and removed from two committees after he posted an anime video showing him appearing to kill congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and attacking the president of the united states, joe biden. it is the first time the house voted to censure a sitting member in more than ten years. plus the so-called qanon shaman sentenced to almost 3 1/2 years behind bars for his role in the january 6th insurrection. and verdict watch continues in the kyle rittenhouse homicide trial. jurors set to resume deliberations at 10:00 a.m. i want to get right now to the censure of repub

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