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>> thank you. >> for sharing your story about mike with us. >> thank you. thank you for including us and for helping us to share this amazing story. and i just want to thank everybody who has donated and sent letters and cards and lany reads every card. she loves it. and it gives her such strength and i want to thank everyone at the hospital. and everyone in the world. and all the dads out there who sent us notes that, you know, the dad and daughter story. thank you, all. it means so much. it lifts our spirits. >> and before i let you go, i want to make a note, because i know our viewers are going to ask, you have a go fund me called prayers for perdues and that is up. i know that is something that is greatly assisting your family and so, you know, hopefully that's something that may be reaching out to you with. christie, thank you so much. >> thank you. thank you. thank you so much. >> he was a good hugger. i have to say, those hugs will
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be eternal. those hugs will last forever. but now the community and it sounds like they are, everyone needs to step in to give these hugs to christie and lany right now and be there for them. >> yeah, it is -- you know, it is so awful. it is so tragic. i think one of the reasons that so many people are drawn to this story is because i think as parents we always ask ourselves, we think, you know, that's what we would do, of course, for our kids. so rarely would you actually be in that position and, you know, mike being in that position, he really just showed what a beautiful person he is. "new day" continues right now. a very good morning to viewers here in the u.s. and around the world. i'm brianna keilar with john
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berman and it is wednesday, november 17th. we're learning more about how dangerously close the united states of america came to a successful coup. and you know what a failed coup is. >> practice. which is why all the revelations matter not just for posterity, but for what they mean going forward. so we knew a conservative lawyer working with then president trump crafted a memo outlining a scheme to persuade mike pence to overturn the election. a blueprint on paper. and this week jonathan karl of abc news reported on the existence of a second coup memo, this one sent by chief of staff mark meadows to the vice president detailing how pence could send back the electoral votes from six states. after that, carl reports a trump aide sent another memo to pence's office pushing the vice president to thwart the election. >> while all of this was going on, trump tried pressuring secretaries of state both publicly and privately. he called them, he wrote them letters, and he publicly asked election leaders to not certify
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the results or to just find imaginary fraudulent ballots. he also tried pressuring state legislatures tweeting about republican state houses to intervene and declare him the winner, and he then turned to the courts enlisting his legal cronies to challenge results in battleground states. it didn't work. >> so the supreme court with three justices after all this nominated by trump himself rejected the election challenge cases. members of congress were in on it, challenging the election results, even after big lie rioters raided their workplace. >> the military played a role here, according to carl's book, or at least possibly was tried -- some people tried to enlist it like michael flynn, the former national security adviser, who was pressuring the defense department to help overturn the election by seizing ballots which obviously they did not do. and the crazy continued as flynn's former lawyer who was giving legal advice to trump called up the pentagon with a conspiracy theory. sydney powell insisted that
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director gina haskell had been abducted in germany, that she was on a secret cia mission to seize a computer server related to the election. powell demanded a special ops mission to get her. obviously that wasn't true. gina haskell was and is fine. >> overall military leaders were so concerned that trump might use the military for his coup attempt. they tried to put guardrails in place. book after book reveals the efforts of general mark milley and mark esper. >> and trump also got help from propaganda outlets including fox, the network with other right wing channels are being sued over election lies on their airwaves. fiona hill, america's point person for russia, said all these examples are essentially a checklist for how the u.s. judges coups in other countries. >> and the important thing is it is not over. not at all. many big lie backers are campaigned to control the election systems in their states, including a candidate in
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michigan who pedals conspiracies and lies. here's sara murray. >> reporter: a vocal critic of elections now wants to be in charge of them. >> it is completely criminal. >> reporter: kristina karamo has not been shy in insisting widespread cheating. >> it is not right that hundreds of thousands of votes are allowed to be considered as lawful votes. we know they're illegal. >> reporter: and saying donald trump was the true winner in michigan. >> donald trump won michigan. >> reporter: unsurprisingly, she has trump's backing in her bid to become michigan's next secretary of state. >> yes, i have president trump's endorsement, which is massive. >> reporter: karamo has never run for state wide office. but gained some national notoriety after making unsubstantiated claims that she witnessed election fraud in 2020. >> i was a poll challenger at the tcf center. >> reporter: as trump eyes a potential 2024 comeback bid, he's backing candidates like karamo and others who have spread election falsehoods. looking to replace the
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battleground state officials who stood up to trump's attempts to overturn the results in 2020. >> kristina karamo! >> reporter: previously unreported comments that show extreme views beyond the 2020 election results and reveal barbed criticism of both parties. >> they're a bunch of traitors in the republican party. >> reporter: her most inflammatory language is aimed at democrats. >> they are a buhas totally bee taken over by the satanic state. >> ultimately the culture war is really the most important. >> reporter: a community college adjunct professor, she has a master degrees in christian apologetics, the defense of christianity. among her concerns, evolving norms around gender and sexuality, views she often takes to the extreme. >> there is no such thing as a person with two mommies and two
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daddies. that is incorrect. >> reporter: in an august 2019 blog post, she called transgender women trying to play women's sports mentally ill adults playing dressup. she suggested in a podcast that premarital sex paves the way for society condoning pedophilia. >> we normalize people fornicating and we normalize people living together with their boyfriends and girlfriends, all this stuff, we open a door to get to the point where we have people who want to normalize pedophilia. >> reporter: she called public schools indoctrination camps. >> you're forced to have your child exposed to -- >> reporter: and is against teaching about ev lolution. she referred to herself as an anti-vaxxer before the covid-19 vaccines were authorized. >> i'm crazy. i'm an anti-vaxxer. >> reporter: these views under the spotlight as she seeks the republican nomination. >> one of the things i try to be very cognizant of, i'm running a state wide race.
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i understand i have to win the hearts and minds of people who may not necessarily think like me. >> joining us now to discuss this is jim acosta, cnn anchor and chief domestic correspondent. there is so much -- we don't need more evidence. we know there was an attempted coup, failed coup, but just the headlines that are piling up here to support that, it seems endless. >> yeah, we had a coup attempt in this country. we have to come to grips with that, deal with that reality. and we have to get to the bottom of it. i was talking to a couple of sources on the january 6th committee, one of these sources said unless merrick garland acts and compels these witnesses to testify, that is going to severely undercut the strength of the committee. another source said to me, you know, about why these witnesses aren't testifying, this person said why would they. they're not being forced to testify. and we have a mountain of evidence, a growing mountain of evidence there was a coup attempt in this country and brianna, what we're dealing with right now is a cowardice
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pandemic. we have republicans who are unwilling to police their own ranks. and until we have that day come, we're going to be caught in the grips of the maga comeback. and they're coming back and mainly because we're letting them come back. not that there is anything wrong with a political movement rising up in this country, but at the heart of it, when at the heart of it is a coup attempt, and people who want to undermine our democracy, there is a very serious problem. >> i have to talk to you about this sydney powell headline from john carl's book, where sydney powell, who is a former trump lawyer, fell for a conspiracy theory that then cia director gina haskell was injured on a secret mission, taken to germany to seize a election-related computer. this is part of what carl says in the book, the server contains evidence that hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of votes had been switched using rigged voting machines. of course, she wasn't in
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germany. she was fine. she is fine. but what does it say to you that the qanon conspiracy theories were that close to the president? >> i mean, i was standing outside the white house, you know, around that time, and remember seeing mike lindell on his cell phone outside the west wing. i'm thinking why is the my pillow guy hanging out outside the west wing. he was there to drop off evidence for donald trump and accepted by people in the west wing. this goes to show you, sydney powell is one of these characters, you know, circus-like characters who are hanging around donald trump at the time. i talked to a trump adviser after january 6th, and asked, you know what was sydney powell doing? advising trump, advising his team. and this adviser said, these are are the types of people who are around the president of the united states right now. it is not the normal folks who are in the west wing. or seminormal, depending on your
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point of view, it is people like sydney powell, people like rudy giuliani, it is people like michael flynn. and mike lindell. it goes to show you the kind of people trump was surrounding himself with during that very critical point in our nation's history. it is frightening to think about it. why is sydney powell running. going back to the january 6th committee, where are the hearings, where is the justice department, why are they not hauling these people into congress to explain what they were up to, why aren't we seeing more indictments? there is a real serious hunger out there, brianna, for justice. you and i remember all of those rallies where donald trump would talk about law and order. where is the law and order? it does not exist when it comes to a coup attempt in this country. it is insane. >> i wonder what you think about mike flynn's episode here that john carl uncovered where he was trying to enlist help from the pentagon to seize ballots. >> yeah. i mean, and michael flynn who is already indicted once, for lying to investigators --
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>> he was fresh off a pardon when he did this. >> fresh off a pardon, wants to go for another one, not going to get it from this president, but, again, we're going back to the insanity that we're all caught in the middle of at that moment. you know, michael flynn is somebody who should have never been national security adviser, barack obama warned donald trump famously, don't hire michael flynn. and yet he brought him into the mix. if donald trump becomes president again, what is to stop a mike flynn from becoming defense secretary. it is going to be a whole lot easier for a secretary of defense michael flynn to order people to seize ballot boxes if he's in charge of the pentagon. one of the things i, you know, experienced, brianna, covering the trump administration, there were people, you know, various levels of the federal government, who are willing to sort of put the brakes on the crazies inside the trump administration, and fortunately that's what we saw in this episode. there were people in the flynn
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episode according to carl's book who are basically saying, no, to michael flynn. people who are going over to the justice department and saying we need to go back and recount these ballots in various states. there are people at the justice department saying, no, so, i mean, thankfully we did have people at various levels of the government who were protecting the constitution, who is to say that's the case next time. >> look, this was a stress test. it revealed weaknesses, is anything being done to fix them. >> vulnerabilities are there. >> vulnerabilities are there. sorry, not sorry, that's the message from paul gosar as he's facing a censure vote for posting a violent anime video featuring one of his colleagues and the video he's killing her. in the trial of the charlottesville unite the right rally, white supremacists are taking the stand. hear what they are saying. and we are on verdict watch as the kyle rittenhouse jury enters day two of deliberations.
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retreat when asked if he would run against trump in 2024. >> would you run if trump runs? >> sure. >> so you'll run against donald trump? >> sure. >> where is the camera? put this camera on chris christie's face. you'll run against donald trump? >> yes. >> okay. >> it seems like every other gop potential candidate falls look a lawn chair when they get that question. they feel like their loyalty will benefit them if trump decides not to run. that's bananas. they should know trump is only loyal to himself. christie is applying experience to the problem. he's probably known backing donald was a bad idea since his body language at the rambling press conference. despite supporting trump for most of the administration, christie did speak up on january 6th and hasn't stopped. but much of the rest of the gop is suffering from stockholm syndrome. they think their captor is their savior. he's not. by any objective measure donald trump is a drag on the republican party. not strong.
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he's self-evidently weak. two-time popular vote loser, in addition to being the delusional seditionist. because republicans are afraid of his base, they either can't see it or won't admit it. take a look at that win by glenn youngkin. he didn't want to be seen with the guy. and he outperformed donald trump in every single county in virginia. won over suburban and swing voters who viewed trump as toxic. yes, trump is deliriously popular with the base. but there is already evidence of a clear lane for a gop candidate not named donald trump. take a closer look at the september poll from cnn. when asked whether republicans have a better chance of winning in 2024 with trump or someone else, 49% said someone else. basically half the gop, just waiting for a compelling alternative. brand-new des moines register poll makes the same point in starker turns, 61% of iowa republicans say they're more in
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line with the gop compared to the 26% who say their primary loyalty is to trump. there is a clear opening here, people. and trump's weakness is a general election candidate is already evident. remember, he's massively unpopular with the american people as a whole. he left office with a 34% approval rating, he's the only president in the history of gallup to never hit 50%. in october, the college poll found that president biden had a 37% approval rate. you imagine that a credible gop candidate would easily beat biden in a hypothetical matchup, right? but that poll found biden and trump tied at 40%, with 14% saying they would vote for someone else. that's a political equivalent of losing money while owning the casino. fear is what is keeping republican officials from seeing this clearly. and that cowardice should be almost as disqualifying for a potential commander in chief as trying to overturn an election
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based on a lie. there are honorable exceptions, liz cheney, adam kinzinger, anthony gonzalez, who spoke out clearly and consistently about the cult of personality that has taken over the gop, and its dangerous implications for our democracy. they have got excommunicated for their honesty. liz cheney, the conservative daughter of the former vp, officially kicked out of her home state gop. but what if she and other red state never trumpers ran as independents in the general election? there is every reason to think their name i.d. and principled independence would be rewarded outside of the republican primaries. after all, that's what alaska senator lisa murkowski did when she lost a primary to a tea party hard-liner in 2010 and she won as a write-in candidate. that's one way to break the stockholm syndrome that captured the gop. it is self-evidently insane to treat a failed ex-president who tried to overturn an election as
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the inevitable next nominee. nothing is inevitable. and if conservative means anything, it means trying to conserve our basic system of government. so we need candidates with the courage to stand up and tell the truth. trump is weak. america is strong. and that's your reality check. >> what's telling is if and when another nationally prominent republican in addition to chris christie stands up and says a similar thing if ever. that bears watching. >> there is a lane there. stand up, let's have a real discussion. >> john avlon, thank you very much. so now president trump is targeting republicans who voted for the infrastructure bill. we have new cnn reporting ahead. plus, president biden and democrats may soon have a messaging problem on their hands. what they're anticipating that may break one of his promises.
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former president trump
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expanding his revenge tour beyond republicans who voted time peto impeach him. cnn's melanie zanona is with us now. he's making it clear, you do something for joe biden, it is against donald trump as far as he sees it. >> that's right. this infrastructure bill, this bipartisan infrastructure bill has become the latest benchmark in the trump loyalty test. and trump and his allies were furious that 13 house republicans helped turn this bill into law and handed joe biden a victory on an issue that had long alluded president trump, of course, when he was in office. he wanted to win an infrastructure and he didn't get t him and his allies are coming after those republicans and we're seeing that play out in a west virginia primary race. it is unusual example because it is a member versus member matchup after redistricting, districts got lumped into one. and most republicans have been reluctant to pick sides in this awkward scenario, but not trump.
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he waded in this week, he's endorsing alex mooney, a freedom caucus member who voted against the infrastructure bill over david mckinley who voted for it. it is also worth noting mooney voted against the commission to investigate january 6th and against the certification of the 2020 election results. but i think on infrastructure it is interesting to see how this is going to play out because on the one hand, in west virginia, trump's voice does matter, he carried the state with 69% of the vote. alex mooney told me yesterday he thinks that this endorsement will seal the deal for him. on the other hand, west virginia is ranked at the bottom of the totem pole for transportation and internet services, which the infrastructure law will help both of those areas. and both the senators in the state voted for it. and so you're really seeing how this infrastructure bill has polarized and divided the republican party. >> it is going to be fascinating who wins out, infrastructure, which west virginia needs, or donald trump. >> exactly.
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>> i guess we'll see. n melanie, thank you. today the house will vote to formally rebuke congressman paul gosar and strip him of two committee assignments. gosar is facing censure for posting a photo shopped anime video showing him appearing to kill congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and attacking president biden. joining me now is the house democratic whip, congressman james clyburn. congressman, thank you for being with us. why is it important to you to hold this vote to censure paul gosar today? >> well, thank you very much for having me. i think over the years i often referred to the house of representatives, the hall of the house, as america's classroom. and i feel that very strongly. we as members of congress ought to conduct ourselves in that hall and in our duties and responsibilities in such a way that children, schoolchildren all over, can look to us, to
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emulate the conduct and that is why we should hold every member to a high standard. and when someone sends out a tweet or any other illustration of him or her murdering somebody on the house floor, that, to me, goes far beyond the pale and that person should not even be a member of this body. in fact, a lot of his family members are telling the whole world that he should not be a member of congress. and i think it would have been the right thing to do to move to expel him. but it is not what we have decided to do as a collective body, because we think quite frankly the republican confidence has some responsibility here. they have tobeen totally silentn
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this. what is that about? i just don't understand how we can as members of congress expect for the public to respect us when we going to demonstrate to respect ourselves. >> i guess kevin mccarthy called him privately. i want to make clear there are no democrats posting fantasy murder videos about republicans, as far as i know. i'm reporting on what republicans say, that if they take back the house, they're going to do this to see censur see democrats stripped of committees. what happens then? >> if they take back the house, they're free to do that. but if they really want to be representatives of what america is all about, they will take each case, and deal with it, the same way we're doing. nobody is out looking for
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anybody to censure. the american people will know whether or not this say standard in this particular instance. if they want to play childish games, then that's for them. i don't think the american people is going to stand for that. i certainly will not. >> i want to ask you about the build back better plan, which may come to a vote in your chamber this week. the joint committee on taxation reports that the wealthiest americans, largely in the northeast and out west, are getting a huge tax break for this, this has to do with raising the limits on the state and local tax deductions. people making over a million dollars will save a lot of money. it is a big item in this bill. one of the most expensive items in this bill. why do these people need tax cuts? >> well, this is not to give them a tax cut alone. the state and local taxes affect
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everybody. y you own a home, you own an automobile, all of these things affect you as well. we're not here to punish people. we're here to do what we can to give the assistance of new income people and i think that's one of the best things we can do. the state and local taxes, i think that everybody owns a home, owns an automobile, they know what that means and they benefit from this as well. >> it is the 80% of this money is going to people making over a million dollars. this is primarily not going to people in the middle income. i want to ask you about one more item in regards to build back better. congressional budget office, we're still waiting to get full report from the cbo on how much this will all cost. it seems as if the signals are that it will not all be paid for according to the cbo. i thought that the white house promised that it would be paid for. >> well, yes, the white house
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promised that, we promised that, we don't know what the cbo will determine. we have determined that it will be paid for. we have determined that no taxes will be raised on anybody under $400,000. we determined we will raise taxes on more wealthy people to pay for it. now, if cbo comes back and some other determination, that's something we'll have to deal with at the time. but they're the experts. we'll be guided by what they say. but that's not what we think. >> what does that mean? is there a difference between guided by what they say and what they say. >> there is always a difference in what those of us who are not experts in this sort of thing, we may project something and that's what we're projecting. even the president is not an expert in cbo scoring standards. and we any what happens with cbo. they take what may be happening over at point a and how it will affect point z.
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and everything in between. and we don't do that kind of analysis every time. what we try to do is use our best knowledge to project what our taxes will bring in, and what expenditures will go out and sometimes you may miss something in between. and that's why we have cbo to give us their best knowledge and we'll be guided by that. that's exactly why they exist. we would need cbo. >> congressman james clyburn, a busy day, a busy week potentially ahead. thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much for having me. white nationalists on the stand today, defending themselves over the deadly 2017 unite the right rally. we're live in charlottesville next. and the white house considering a diplomatic boycott of the 2022 beijing olympics. what it could mean for the u.s. relationship with china and what it could mean for the games.
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you will not replace us. you will not replace us. >> the organizers of the 2017 unite the right rally in char charlottesville, virginia, that left one person dead and dozens are injured, joining me now, elie reeve and jason carroll. jason, first, just tell us what each side presented. the cases we have seen over the course of this trial. >> well, john, you know, as you know, what this trial has been about and what it really just comes down to is whether or not the defendants in this case conspired to commit acts of violence during that rally. and if they did, what sort of monetary punishment should they face. attorneys for the plaintiffs and, again, there are nine plaintiffs, who were injured
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that day, presented evidence they say shows the defendants did plan for violence, they showed jurors text messages throughout the trial, social media posts, indicating that flag posts could be used as weapons, to bring shields and to lie to police about the number of their people showing up for that rally. also telling rally goers they could use a car as a weapon and, remember, that's exactly what alex fields did when he ended up plowing his car into a group of counterprotesters and killing heather heyer. the defendants are individuals and groups. some of them representing themselves in court. they are white nationalists. they are neo-nazis and there are about two dozen of them. they told jurors, look, you might not like who we are, you might not like some of the things we say, but they argue that they did not conspire to commit acts of violence and they tried to show jurors some of them basically didn't even know each other before the rally started. they had a mixed bag of who they blamed the violence on, those on
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the far left, counterprotesters, even at times blaming police. the defendants clearly have a high legal hurdle to overcome here, a representative for the plaintiffs telling me just last night, john, our plaintiffs have provided overwhelming evidence that the unite the right rally was never intended to be a peaceful protest, rather it was a meticulously planned weekend of racist, anti-semitic violence. john? >> so interesting to watch. and, elie, you've been there so much, including at the time reporting, during and after. i think you see things that the rest of us don't see here. and you note on some of the interplay amongst the defendants. >> well, they're trying to blame each other. they're under a lot of pressure right now. and so particularly jason kessler, the lead organizer, and the most prominent white nationalist are trying to throw each other under the bus.
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spencer is representing himself in court so he's questioning kessler directly. at one point he asked kessler, when did you determine i was a sociopathic narcissist and kessler says i recall one of the first times i met you, you sort of made my skin crawl, you were like a very slimy cold individual, like inhuman, like speaking to a robot or a serial killer. >> it is really interesting to hear that, among the defendants themselves, elle. what about the overall argument that they're making or defense because we saw the violence, we heard the chants. what are they arguing did or didn't happen? >> well, that's another really astounding part of the trial. christopher cantwell has been showing many videos in slow motion of himself in the middle of these brawls. he seems to think they make him look better, but they do not. they make him look much worse. at one point he's in such a frenzy this another white nationalist literally pulls him out of the fight.
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richard spencer for his part is trying to take head on a leaked audio call at the early piece of tape from the end of the rally in which he's ranting about how people of color and jews look up to faces like his. he's tried to say that an example of childlike rage and powerlessness. but in the moment, he's not ranting that it is bad that heather heyer died, he's ranting he was and the to -- he wasn't able to do more. >> i thank you both for all the work you've done. elle reeve, jason carroll, thank you. here's what else to watch today.
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morning. they deliberated more more than seven howeurs on tuesday. the defense in the murder trial of three men charged with chasing and killing ahmaud arbery begins its case today. prosecutors rested their case after testimony for the medical examiner who said arbery's shotgun wounds were so severe, that nothing could have saved his life. covid booster shots could be made available to all adults by this weekend. the fda says it is currently reviewing pfizer's request to authorize its booster for everyone 18 and older and it is not holding a meeting of the outside experts which means the decision could come at any time. president biden leaves the white house for detroit this afternoon to talk up his new infrastructure law. the president will speak at the grand opening of a new gm electric car factory. and american officials may be absent from next year's winter olympic games in beijing. the biden administration is considering a diplomatic boycott of the games in response to
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china's human rights abuses. u.s. athletes, though, would still be competing. those are the five things to know for your "new day." more on these stories all day on cnn and and download the 5 things podcast every morning, go to 5things and find it wherever you get your podcasts. for newly crowned nascar champ kyle larson, the past 18 months have been quite a ride. he was suspended, he lost nearly every sponsor after using a racial slur before being reinstated this season and eventually winning his first ever championship. cnn's coy wire talked to larson one on one. >> i had a lot of success these last two years and it almost feels like i'm in some sort of dream. >> oh, my god, guys! yeah! >> just a lot of relief, really. the journey it took to get to that point, i can't believe the last 18 months where the lowest lows to the highest of highs has
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been crazy. >> you were iracing, used the n word to talk to one of your colleagues. and you didn't realize there was a broader audience listening. you lost your sponsors, got suspended, said you didn't know if you would ever make it back. what kind of mental space were you in during that time? >> it was definitely, you know, dark, for sure. getting all the hate messages and stuff. and knowing i embarrassed myself, my family, my friends, whole community of people, it just was definitely a dark place. >> what i found interesting was that you said there was ignorance, you used that word, you didn't understand how hurtful, how negative that word was, and i think a lot of people would want to know more about that, because in this day and age, maybe they would say that's not really a good enough excuse. >> yeah, i knew it was -- i knew it was a hurtful word, but surrounding myself there for a
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short period of time with a little bit of bad influence led to the ignorance. so, yeah, just, i've learned so much ever since that night. getting to talk to so many different african-americans and learning their experiences, for months i was doing stuff every week, whether it be doing stuff in the community or just having conversations, i wanted to educate myself and i'm, in a way, glad i kind of went through all that because it has grown me into a much more mature person, with a whole new perspective on so many different things. >> one of the people i know you've spoken to, bubba wallace, what were those conversations like? >> it was tough. immediately after the mistake i made, within a couple of minutes i had sent a text apologizing and, you know, finally i got to talk to him. >> what was his initial response when you reached out? >> just disappointed, you know, that i would allow myself to make a mistake like that. so, yeah, i'm glad that, you
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know, he as well as so many people were able to forgive me. and then getting the chance to work with kendrick, i never thought once i got back this was a redemption tour or anything, it is a great opportunity for me to use my platform to show people i'm -- i learned from my mistakes. so i'm a lucky person to get this opportunity, this second chance, that i don't really necessarily think i should have gotten. >> why do you think you didn't deserve a second chance? >> i think just because i let so many people down. i embarrassed the sport. i was competing in. and made a huge mistake. i was accepting of the fact that i probably won't ever race again. so just thankful i did get the second chance and i was able to do good things through it. >> coy wire reporting there. a judge is about to sentence the qanon shaman. why he could do more time than any other capitol rioter. and news on the concert tragedy that killed ten people.
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today's good stuff, a boy scout who remembered his motto be prepared, 12-year-old david king helped rescue a couple and their dog lost on a hiking trail in hawaii. the couple's dog named smoky had his paws cut up and couldn't walk. and the 100 pound puppy, that's a big puppy, was too heavy to carry. david useed the skills he learned from his brother while he was getting his merit badge and made a stretcher for smoky.
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he led them back to the parking lot safely and we should note that smoky has now fully recovered. >> look at that construction. i mean, david is doing it right. >> solid construction. >> amazing. >> i want to be carried like smoky. just saying. cnn's coverage continues right now. very good wednesday morning to you i'm jim sciutto. >> i'm erica hill. one hour from now the jury in the kyle rittenhouse murder trial will begin day two of deliberations. the group of seven women and five men spent more than seven hours discussing charges yesterday. and requested additional copies of the jury instructions. cnn's also learned a consultant who helped select the jury in the o.j. simpson trial has been working with the rittenhouse legal team. also in the next hour, the man known as the qanon shaman will be sentenced for his role in the january 6th capitol


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