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here is the breaking news tonight. republican congressman paul gosar about to be punished for his graphic video depicting violence against congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and president joe biden. the house will vote tomorrow to censure him and remove him from two committees. plus the state resting their case in the trial of the three men accused of murdering ahmaud arbery, but the defense seems more focused on black pastors in the courtroom than their own case. and 1,500 pieces of satellite debris hurtling through space and coming dangerously close to the international space station. we're going to have the very latest on why nasa officials say russia is to blame for this. let's get right to
washington now and the breaking news there. our congressional correspondent, cnn's jessica dean. thanks for joining us this evening. walk us through this resolution and what it means for paul gosar, please. >> reporter: right. so let's just lay it out for everybody. first and foremost, this is the most serious form of punishment that can be bestowed on a member of the house of representatives. now, it is symbolic, but it hasn't been done since 2010, the last time we saw a censure vote was for charlie rangel, who was a new york democrat, for multiple ethics violations. this hasn't happened in a while. it is vecerery serious. is a motion to censure paul gosar and strip him from the two committees he serves on. it's worth fwnoting that congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez serves with him on one of those committees. so we expect for that vote to happen kind of mid tomorrow afternoon after they walk through one hour of debate
evenly divided on both sides. but this also comes, don, importantly after no really action from house minority leader kevin mccarthy, who said that there was a closed-door meeting earlier today where gosar, in mccarthy's words, explained his actions. mccarthy said he called him in the last week that the video came down, but mccarthy has never explicitly condemned any of it. so now democrats of course moving forward with this censure vote tomorrow. >> jessica, for this censure to work, the congressman has to be present in the house chamber. explain that and what happens if he doesn't show up, please. >> reporter: right. so one of these very -- again, a unique thing about this is that he will stand in the well of the house as this resolution is read. that's part of the whole censure procedure. he is required to be there. now, if he didn't show up, the sergeant at arms could go find him and haul him onto the house floor, but house democrats we've
spoken to say they're kind of underscoring that as very unlikely to happen. but he is required to be there. again, is required to stand there as they read this resolution to him. back in 2010, we heard from rangel for about one minute after the vote. we'll see if that's how it transpires tomorrow. >> most republicans aren't expected to join democrats on this vote, correct? >> reporter: that's right. we know that liz cheney, congresswoman liz cheney and congressman adam kinzinger, again the two republicans who sit also on the january 6th select committee, who are a part -- that was really in poor taste, one person said. but another congressman from minnesota told us that at this
point, they're all getting death threats almost every day on a variety of issues, which in and of itself is terrible. but at the same time, it's worth underscoring those death threats, don, are not coming from their fellow members of congress who they see in the halls, who they even serve on committees with. so it's worth noting on all of that, you know, that distinction. >> jessica, thank you. i appreciate the reporting. joining me now, ana navarro and scott jennings. good evening. scott, let's start with you. i want you to listen to what congressman gosar is saying about all of this. listen to what he told his gop colleagues. here it is. >> i did not apologize. i just said this video had nothing to do with harming anybody. it's exactly what you were talking about. at an anime. we were trying to reach out to the newer generation that likes these anime, these cartoons fabricated in japanese likeness
to actually tell them the harm in this world they're missing. >> so first he should apologize for his threats, and, second, we're not playing the video because it's really despicable. it does not explain policy. what is he doing here? who's he trying to fool here? that's not anything of what he said. >> well. >> well, he's not trying to fool anybody. he's trying to please his core supporters, and he's playing the trump playbook which is there's a lot of jobs in america where you can't tweet stupid crap because you'll get in trouble. this happens to be one of them. united states congressman and he's going to get in trouble for tweeting stupid, hurtful crap. his constituents back home may or may not punish him for this in the long run. he's going to get taken off his committees, including the natural resources committee, which is important to his home
state. he's going to get his hand slapped tomorrow, and he'll run out and say the liberals are attacking me and try to raise money off of it and that's how the wheel turns these days, i guess. but the reality is the house republican conference itself has, in the last few years, suffered violent attacks at the congressional baseball game practice shooting. we already remember what happened that day. and so these members of congress, the truth is, are constantly under security threat. most of them do not have security. only the leadership has security. and i do think they need to take special care not to be inciting this kind of stuff. so he's going to get punished and trying to explain you're trying to reach out to younger voters, to me, just doesn't cut it. >> this she know better considering what's happened to members of congress. ana, republican congressman adam
kin kinzinger -- isn't this already real for a lot of republicans out there? just look at what happens on january 6th. >> and that's precisely why it's so important to censure him. it's so important to follow through with this. you know, don, i was looking at the video of when charlie rangel got censured ten years ago, and the person holding the gavel was nancy pelosi. so she was censuring one of her own, and i think this is an occasion where we shouldn't be republicans or democrats, trumpist or non-trumpist. this is about decency. i remember when kathy griffin, a comedian, tweeted out a joke. what she said was a joke that was, i thought, in very bad taste. she got put through the ringer by u.s. secret service. she lost many jobs. she had to apologize. she went through hell. i would suggest that we cannot hold a member of congress to a lower standard than we hold kathy griffin, a comedian. you know, scott has school-age
children. he knows very well that if one of his children tweeted this out about one of their classmates, scott would be called into the office. the child would be expelled or suspended. there would be psychologists called, maybe police. you and i couldn't do this, working for cnn. so there needs to be an equal playing field, and we cannot lower the bar. there needs to be some accountability and some decency because there is real danger. as scott brought up, congressman scalise, january 6th. these death threats that people are getting on their congressional phones, it is not acceptable. and anything that they can do by themselves to lower the temperature, they must do. i mean it's just -- it's a basic form of behavior. >> let's talk about republican leadership, scott. mccarthy is making excuses for gosar. he says gosar didn't see the video before he tweeted it. does he get that this looks like -- what this looks like, or
i mean that he's saying it's okay for gosar to do? does he understand what he did? >> well, i think his argument is that he talked to him and sort of internally chastised him and got gosar to sort of explain it to the conference. i mean -- >> but you hear on the interview he did, scott. i mean he's, you know -- mccarthy is saying one thing. gosar is saying the exact opposite of what mccarthy said. but go on. sorry. >> of course. so mccarthy again finds himself in a position of having to deal with one of his members, and you've got the public outrage over something that happened. and you've got the internal dynamics where there are going to be several of kevin mccarthy's members who want him to die on every hill. i mean that's really the strategy. we have to die on every hill, even if the hill is a stupid thing, even if it's a bad thing, even if it's the wrong thing. we have to die on it because that's what our people expect us to do. we have to fight every battle. we have to die on every hill.
and we have to defend everyone to the last no matter what. >> what do you think of that strategy, scott? >> all the consequences be damned. that's the strategy, and that's how he sees himself getting to the speakership. by the way, while this is going on today, you have marjorie taylor greene, who is assailing leader mccarthy for not being strong enough for failing to punish the 13 members of the house republican conference who voted for the infrastructure bill. so he's constantly playing whack a mole with this part of his conference and trying to maintain their support ahead of what he hopes to be a vote for his speakership. >> you just brought up marjorie taylor greene, and it was after days and days of pressure that mccarthy did condemn her anti-semitic statements she made comparing the holocaust to vaccinations. it shouldn't be because it targets an important constituency and donor group of the republican party that he
acts. it should be because it is the right thing to do for a speaker. speaker means -- or minority leader in this case means showing leadership and being able to set a tone. and mccarthy needs to be able to do that. you know, paul gosar's siblings admonished with more force and energy. >> yeah, we had one on last week. >> of course they know him better. >> yeah. thank you. we'll continue this conversation. it's not over yet. i appreciate both of you joining us. i'll see you soon. so president biden is in new hampshire today selling the $1.2 trillion infrastructure package, making his pitch for a run-down bridge to drive home what the new law has to offer. here it is. listen to this. >> this may not seem like a big bridge, but it saves lives and solves problems. let me tell you why. businesses depend on it, like
the local propane company or the sand and gravel company or the logging trucks or the public services depend on it, school buses, wastewater trucks cross it every day. it's essential to woodstock fire station about a quarter mile away. without this bridge, as i said earlier, it's a ten-mile detour just to get to the other side. >> as biden crosses the country selling the new law, his approval rating is in sharp decline. cnn's poll of polls has biden's approval at 45%. so let's discuss this now. stuart stevens is here. stuart is the former chief strategist for the romney presidential campaign. stuart, always a pleasure. good to see you. >> good to see you, man. >> so let's talk about the facts here. this infrastructure package is historic, $1.2 trillion for everything from child care to housing. is the white house doing a good enough job of selling this given how low biden's approval rating is? >> well, i think they've only had a day to sell it. you know, when you buy a car,
what you hate is paying for it, the sticker shock. what you enjoy is driving it around. so they've only been driving this car around for a day. you know, when i read about what the white house is trying to do, is doing, coordinating all these different elements of the government to go out and sell this, i think it's going to be possible. i think it will work, and i think one of the more telling things is how many republicans who voted against it are already starting to brag about what their states are going to get and their districts are going to get, which shows that, you know, people like when you spend money and buy stuff that they care about. and biden's right. people care about stuff like bridges. it affects people's lives. >> let's talk about the mentme messaging here and the strategy. once the infrastructure deal passed, the white house held a bipartisan signing of the bill. but it happened during the closing arguments of the rittenhouse trial and they had to sort of switch back and forth. biden's speech today was around 3:00 in the afternoon.
do they need to rethink their whole messaging strategy? 3:00 in the afternoon, people are at work. they're not paying attention. maybe they want to get it for the evening news, but it's certainly not fresh in the places where people are talking and having these conversations about what the president is actually doing. >> well, you know, there's a reason that nike used that swoosh thing more than once. mcdonald's seems to be hung up on those golden arches. repetition is everything in advertising. it would be a disaster if the democrats, if the white house did this for a week or two and moved on to something else. this is a very big deal. it's $1.5 trillion. that's a lot of money, and they've got to just keep at this. it's not going to work right away. it never does. but you keep repeating it. you keep pointing it out. you keep using different examples, and ultimately, you know, politics usually comes down to a game of small numbers.
>> mm-hmm. >> and being able to change 5% here, it could make a huge difference in whether or not democrats can keep the house in 2022. >> look, if you look at the former administration, it did pass covid relief during the height of the virus. but other than that, did trump pass anything this historic and bipartisan? >> lord no. i mean what just kills me about this is how many times did we have infrastructure week for the republicans? it became like a national joke. if you were a kid who was born during the first republican infrastructure week, which never really happened, i mean you're heading to the first grade now. democrats should not be shy about bragging the fact that it took them less than a year of a new president's term to do what the last president couldn't do in four years of his term. i mean that's sort of what government ultimately should be about. it should be about, like, getting stuff done, and they did it with a party that for the most part believes that the
president of the united states is illegal, which we've never had before. so i mean that just magnifies the difficulty of doing this. look, i'm not big on the biden folks. i think they ran a really smart campaign. i think they're not people who are prone to panic, so i think they'll get about this, and i hope they stick with it, and my bet is they will. >> i understand this, but this is just about strategy and messaging and taking advantage of the bully pulpit. that's all it's about. it's not disrespecting the president or what have you. everyone has respect for -- should have respect for the office of the presidency. it's just the strategy, selling the message, when they're doing it. all of those things do matter. let's look forward, though, to the midterms. the gop is in full-on assault on voting rights. 19 states passing 33 laws. that's going to make it harder to vote. republicans are also redrawing districts to gain more congressional seats. this is the next battlefront for
our democracy, the ability and the right to vote. do you think americans even realize what's happening? >> absolutely not, and that's how autocrats win. if you look at the history of how democracies fade into autocracies, it's usually because those on the democratic side don't think it can happen. let me tell you, these folks on the other side, they really have a different vision of america, and a lot of this is about race. i mean ultimately the republican party had a choice over the last 50 years whether or not they were going to do the hard work necessary to appeal to more non-white voters or whether or not they were going to sort of become comfortable being a white grievance party. and it is an extraordinary tragedy that they have gone the latter route, and the republican party is almost officially a white grievance party now. and the way that you can -- only way you can win with that in an
america that's changing the way it's changing is to make it harder for people who are predominantly non-white to vote. it's really not complicate the. after the election, you had people try to decertify predominantly african-american voters. they passed these laws in all these states that never would have been passed if donald trump had won. just listen to them. pay attention. they're not really subtle about this. i mean they're out there trying to change democracy in a way, and if we allow it to happen, i think there's a good chance that the 2024 election will be the last election that is recognizable as something that we've known all our lifetime. >> stuart stevens, always a pleasure, sir. thank you very much. >> thank you, don. more subpoenas coming this week from the january 6th committee, but what about the members of team trump who have been subpoenaed and refused to appear? >> by the way, mr. meadows, i sure hope he does come in because the questions that we
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the january 6th select committee laser focused on trump white house chief of staff mark meadows, and they are giving meadows one more chance to comply with their request. after that, a potential contempt charge. joining me now, olivia troye, a former homeland security adviser to vice president pence and former federal prosecutor kim whaley, the author of the book, "how to read the constitution and why." so glad to have both of you on. good evening. kim, meadows is really critical in all of this, and there's the committee's intense interest in meadows' private cell phone use on january 6th. so talk to me about the importance of these communications. what can the committee learn from all of this? >> well, the extent to which mark meadows communicated with donald trump about the events that unfolded on january 6th is something, of course, that the committee wants to know to
determine what the role was of all of those white house actors. we're seeing this narrative build that it started in december with the white house meeting, and then there was of course the willard hotel sort of environment where they were speaking on a regular basis prior to january 6th. the problem with the contempt issue with mark meadows, of course, is that he was in the white house and close to the president. so that is a stronger claim of executive privilege than steve bannon, who was a private citizen on january 5th and 6th. i think that's why they're treading a little more lightly on this one. i know adam schiff was on anderson cooper earlier and said they met today but haven't decided. i expect that they will move forward, but it's a little more complicated, and i know they don't want any failures in this regard. >> olivia, in jonathan karl's new book, we learned how mark
meadows -- a memo that detailed how pence could overturn the election. the committee may not get the email from meadows, what about that pence aide? >> yeah. that's exactly what i would be looking at. i would be sort of working with the pence team on this and really working with that circle, especially the fact that they were -- their lives were in danger that day. this team faced that directly head-on. they lived that day. they lived the trauma of that day, i would say. so i would certainly seek out some of the staff to figure out what exactly happened here. to be honest with you, i know that she's subpoenaed, but i would be looking at mark meadows' aide, cassidy. she was by his side every single day and if mark meadows isn't cooperate, one of these people in the inner circle knows the answer to this. >> kim, you mentioned steve bannon, but steve bannon attorney, schoen, was on cnn this morning, and it seems like he made a pretty big concession
about bannon's executive privilege claims. watch this. >> there are certainly conversations if mr. -- if you're talking about conversations outside of the executive branch, then clearly those are not covered by executive privilege. here's the problem. this comes up regularly when privilege is at issue in depositions. here mr. bannon -- there could be questions asked that have to do with privileged areas and not privileged areas. so if he were to show up and start asking questions without a -- >> okay. it all comes back to me now, right, that i've seen him speak and what have you. you mentioned -- you said that mark meadows probably has a better claim at executive privilege than steve bannon. he's saying so because some things might be privileged and they really may not be, he can't talk about anything. do you understand what i'm saying? what kind of argument is that? >> well, it just defies basic attorney protocol on how these
things go, and this is a myth floating out there. there is no blanket privilege, i don't need to show up. if it were a attorney/client offer executive privilege, the protocol is that you produce the witness. the lawyer sits there in a deposition or in an interview or -- actually can't go in the grand jury, but they sit there, and you instruct the witness that you pause before answering so the lawyer has the opportunity to object. so if the question is, what did you have, mr. president, for lunch, if the discussion was around lunch, there is no basis for mr. bannon or mr. meadows to not actually answer that question. if it was, what was the president's thinking about something relating to presidential business, then the lawyer would object and say -- instruct the witness to not answer, and then that question goes to the court. sometimes if it's a written
document, you create what's called a privilege log where you sort of kind of explain in not particular specific terms what the documents are about, and the judge will decide. listen, is the privilege valid? is the privilege not valid? the irony here, i think, with steve bannon's argument is that essentially they're setting it up kind of to conform to the big lie, that there's somehow two presidents here and that there are dueling presidents around executive privilege. the constitution under article 2 establishes a presidency. that means one. you get one at a time, and right now it's joe biden. >> olivia, as we've been watching, you know, people defy subpoenas, just say i'm not going to show up, not even bothering claiming executive privilege when they don't, does anything matter anymore? it seems, you know, everyday people cannot defy a subpoena and say, i'm not going to court.
does anything matter for our lawmakers anymore, people involved in government? >> yeah, it's a tough thing to watch, and it's depressing to see this happening in our country on a daily basis, especially when we see the threats on the rise and everything that's happening here in congress. i will say this. this is a classic, you know, page out of the trump book. they used the judicial system throughout his entire presidency to stall things when they faced litigation, and they tried to push agendas. they used the court system to back them on it, and trump continues to do that still today, even after his presidency has ended. so i think, you know, this executive privilege issue, case in point, they used it as a cloak. they used it as a cloak of their own privilege, and it's a shame to watch these people act with such a lack of integrity and plain disregard for doing the right thing when this is such a critical moment for our country. but i don't expect anything to change. my greatest fear is that they'll stall this, and then drain the political clock and wait for
this to potentially go to the supreme court, and that will truly test, i guess, the integrity of the court and what this means when our democracy is at stake right now. >> olivia, kim, thank you very much. appreciate it. the state resting its case in the trial of three men accused of murdering ahmaud arbery. the defense starts tomorrow, but one of the lawyers can't get past the black pastors in the courtroom. plus 1,500 pieces of debris hurtling through space at 17,000 miles an hour after russia blows up a satellite. stay with us. nd neuriva plus. unlike ordinary memory supplements, neuriva plus fuels six key indicators of brain performance. more brain performance? yes, please! neuriva. think bigger. we gave new zzzquil pure zzzs restorative herbal sleep to people who were tired of being tired. i've never slept like this before. i've never woken up like this before. crafted with clinically studied plant-based ingredients that work naturally with your body. for restorative sleep like never before.
the prosecution resting its case in the trial of the three white men charged with killing ahmaud arbery, a 25-year-old unarmed black man out jogging. the final witness performed the autopsy on arbery, providing graphic testimony about the gunshot wounds that took his life. cnn's ryan young has the story now. >> your honor, at this time the state rests. >> reporter: and with that, the state rested their presentation of evidence in the ahmaud arbery murder trial late this afternoon. defense attorney kevin gough previously reserved the right to delay his opening arguments and is expected to deliver them starting tomorrow. >> what was his cause of death? >> his cause of deaths with multiple shotgun wounds. >> reporter: after eight days, the last of the state's 23
witnesses took the stand today, including the forensic p pathologist who conducted the 25-year-old jogger's autopsy. arbery was shot and killed after he was chased and got into a confrontation in a brunswick neighborhood with three white men, travis mcmichael, his father gregory mcmichael, and william brian back in february 2020. disturbing x-ray images of arbery's body were shown while dr. edmund donahue described the multiple injuries he sustained. >> you see shotgun pellets on the lower portion of the chest. that's the right lateral chest or the right side of the chest. you also see shotgun pellets in the right chest and left chest and shoulder injury -- shoulder area. >> did it break ribs 5 through 10? >> yes. >> all right. so all the ribs over here got broken, 5 through 10? >> yes. >> what happens when you break all of these ribs over on the
right lateral side? >> well, it becomes difficult and painful to breathe, and also there is -- the intercostal arteries run on the lower edge of those ribs, so you would bleed into the chest cavity. >> reporter: donahue also testified there was nothing that could be done to save arbery's life once the first shot to his chest was fired. >> was there anything ems or the officers could have done on the scene to save his life from the torso shot? >> well, they could put an occlusive dressing on the large defect, but you would still have the exit defects in the back of the chest, and they couldn't do anything about the bleeding as long as the heart was beating. >> in other words, is there anything they could have done on-scene to save his life? >> no. >> reporter: the prosecution questioned the doctor about some plantlike material found in one of arbery's wounds, trying to illustrate how hard they say
arbery fought in those last moments. >> it leads me to believe that somehow it had gotten into the barrel of the shotgun, possibly while they were struggling, and maybe pointed it down into the ground and came up with this botanical material. well, this is what is called the flight or fight reaction, and when you run up -- when you run into a situation that is stressful or that you're afraid of or is going to cause anxiety, the brain will correlate a flight or fight response. >> reporter: but the defense took issue with that. >> i believe you testified on direct examination that someone in the fight or flight mode, when they can no longer flee, can fight. >> they can. >> okay. you didn't see any evidence that mr. arbery could no longer flee, right? >> well, no, i didn't. >> so there was nothing physically preventing him from continuing to run, right?
>> no. >> you have no idea what he was afraid of at that point in time, correct? >> well, there's a man holding a shotgun out there. >> right. so he could have been afraid of being shot. >> and there was a man following him in a pickup truck. >> could have been afraid of being caught. do you know if mr. arbery was afraid of being caught? >> i don't. >> you don't know what you don't know. >> reporter: today's graphic testimony of arbery's last moments was overwhelming for the arbery family. >> i wouldn't put that on nobody family to look at your kid laid out blowed apart. >> reporter: earlier in the day, kevin gough told the court he filed a motion that the record reflect who's sitting in the public gallery during the trial. it comes one day after he took issue with civil rights icon reverend jesse jackson's presence in court with the arbery family and days after a similar appearance from the reverend al sharpton. >> this morning we did file a
motion to prohibit any further conduct that may intimidate or influence jurors or otherwise interfere with a fair trial. it raises the same issues perhaps with more authority than were raised previously. >> reporter: judge timothy walmsley denied the motion before adjourning court for the day. >> criminal defense attorney paige pate is here. how did the state do in their case, and what exactly is defense attorney kevin gough trying to do with all these comments about black pastors? we'll talk about that next.
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the defense about to start their case in the trial of the three white men accused of murdering ahmaud arbery. there's so much to discuss now with georgia criminal defense attorney paige pate, the perfect person to talk about this. he knows the law in georgia and how the court system works. good evening to you, sir. good to see you. >> good evening, don. >> the state wrapping up their case against the men who killed ahmaud arbery. 23 witnesses later, how did they do? >> don, i think they did well. i think the prosecution did what it had to do. obviously they focused on the video evidence, the video of the actual shooting of ahmaud arbery, but also the body cam videos of what these defendants said right after the incident occurred. they also brought into evidence, even though they didn't have to,
video surveillance evidence of ahmaud arbery being in the neighborhood before the day he was shot. they were simply trying to counter what they expect the defense is going to say, is that ahmaud arbery was breaking into homes, he was committing crimes in the neighborhood. but what the videos actually show is a young man who's jogging around, walks into a house under construction, does not steal anything, does not damage anything, and then he walks back out. so i think the prosecution was effective in both proving their case and also disproving what they expect the defense is going to try to do, perhaps over the next few days. >> what was interesting to me, page, what you said was there were no calls or anything. no one had reported anybody stealing anything in the neighborhood, right? no break-ins or anything lake that. >> that's certainly true for ahmaud arbery. you think you may hear, though, from the defense there were some calls. travis mcmichael said he had a gun stolen out of his pickup
truck at some point maybe a week prior to this. no evidence that it was ahmaud arbery. he didn't even believe it was ahmaud arbery. but there was some evidence of calls about, you know, minor break-ins. but this is sit ill la shores. this neighborhood is not a crime ridden neighborhood. >> i wasn't finished with the question. >> sorry. >> because when i heard the defense saying, well, he was running because -- was he possibly running because he was guilty, right? and i was like, guilty of what? that's where i was going with the question. if they didn't find any proof that he stole anything. you know what i'm saying? >> yeah, i absolutely know what you're saying, and that's why i think citizen's arrest is going to be hard for the defense to prove here. georgia law used to allow somebody to go chase someone down, hold them for the police if they saw them commit a crime or had direct knowledge that they had committed a serious felony offense. none of that is present in this
case. even if there's some argument this may have been criminal trespass, that ahmaud arbery was on private party, the mcmichaels didn't see him on private property, and they certainly had no evidence he had committed a felony offense that would have authorized them to go chase him down and then arguably get into the scuffle and then shoot him. so it's going to be a stretch for the defense. >> so the defense attorney, kevin gough, is continuing his push to have the court keep a record of everyone attending the trial. yesterday he complained about reverend jesse jackson. last week he was bothered by reverend al sharpton. what is he trying to accomplish here because even the judge, you know, took him to task, saying, you know, what are you doing here? it looks like you have ulterior motives. >> yeah, don. this judge has been incredibly patient with this argument. i'm very surprised. i've been in front of this judge before. he's known as a patient judge, a fair judge. but this motion has absolutely no legal merit to it. you cannot prevent someone from
coming into a public courtroom if they're not making a disruption. now, it would be different if reverend jackson came in there and decided to make a speech or interrupt the witnesses or call out somebody's name, but that's not happened at all. he simply sat with the family just like reverend sharpton, and they are absolutely allowed to do that. so the idea that the judge is going to bar black pastors from the courtroom, it's ridiculous. so i don't understand the point of making that motion, and of course it's going to have the opposite effect because pastors are already showing up in brunswick. there are more expected later this week. so whatever he was trying to accomplish, he's not done it. >> page, thank you so much. i'll see you soon. >> thank you, don. astronauts taking cover. fears of militarization of space and potentially hundreds of thousands of pieces of debris that could disrupt your internet, phone service, gps, wow, and a whole lot more after russia blows up a satellite in a
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