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world lead, i guess. this is the so-called megaspider. according to an australian reptile. from limb to terrifying limb it's bigger than a baseball with inch-long fangs strong enough to pierce human finger nails. a stranger donated him in a container. our coverage continues now. happening now, the january 6th select committee is on the brink of issuing more subpoenas. but the panel still hasn't decided how to deal with the defiance of former trump white house chief of staff mark meadows. this as the former president is offering a new argument for hiding his records from the committee. also tonight -- jurors are entering the eighth hour of deliberations in the kyle rittenhouse homicide trial. cnn is live in kenosha, wisconsin, on watch for a verdict on whether the teenager
was a vigilante or acted in self-defense. and covid restrictions are tightening once again in europe as infection rates over there are rising. is it a preview of what may happen here in the united states in the weeks and months ahead? we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." let's begin with new developments in the january 6th investigation and what the chairman of the house select committee, representative bennie thompson is now telling cnn about what may be just ahead. cnn's jessica schneider is here in the situation room. what are you learning? >> the committee here is plowing forward. planning to issue many new subpoenas. we don't know the exact number but they've already issued 35 to top trump officials like former chief of staff mark meadows,
kayleigh mcenany, stephen miller. but the committee has run into fierce resistance. steve bannon refused to comply. the committee referred him to criminal contempt. he's been indicted by the justice department. and the committee has told us that, in fact, they are considering also referring mark meadows for criminal contempt. however, late this afternoon, our annie gray on capitol hill heard from bennie thompson. he said he was going to be giving meadows one more chance to comply with the committee. bennie thompson says that by later today he'll sign a letter that will go to meadows, recapping the committee's demands. the committee has already been quite clear about what they want from meadows. but this might be a chance to buy the committee some more time since, of course, their members are leaving town on friday for the thanksgiving holiday. even if they were to move forward with this criminal contempt referral it likely wouldn't be until the end of november so they're giving meadows one more shot here, a letter sent to him recapping what they want with perhaps the idea that maybe this time he'll comply. >> interesting.
the former president, trump, he's continuing his effort to keep his white house records secret. what's the latest? what are you hearing? >> today trump's legal team filed the first of what will be three briefs, all as they move toward this appeals court argument that's scheduled for november 30th here. and trump's team, they are broadening out in some sense the argument they made before the district court. they are saying if the committee gets all of these documents, if they are handed over from the national archives this could give congress lopsided power and forever change the dynamic between the execute of branch and legislative branch. specifically trump's legal team, the brief said this. in these hyperpartisan times, congress will increasingly use this new weapon to perpetually harass its political rival. trump's lawyers are really seizing on an argument that the district court judge seemed to be somewhat sympathetic to. the fact that congress may be made this request a little too broad. the district court judge
ultimately ruled against trump's team and right now these documents are on hold. and with the way this appellate schedule is laid out with the court not hearing these arguments until the end of november, they likely wouldn't issue a decision before the beginning of december, and with any possible appeal after that to the supreme court, it's quite possible, wolf, that even if the committee wins, they wouldn't get these documents anyway until maybe 2022. >> yeah. one of the goals of those who are resisting to delay, delay, delay. thank you very much. we're now joined by a key member of the select committee, california democratic representative zoe lofgren. representative, thank you for joining us. your chairman bennie thompson says more subpoenas are coming. the committee has already heard from what, more than 150 people so far. who do you still need to hear from? >> well, actually, we've heard from close to 200 witnesses. we have received close to 25,000
documents. more than 200 tips from our -- received through our tip line. and the chairman is right. there will be more subpoenas. i have vowed not to identify who we're going to subpoena until those subpoenas are issued but we want to foond out all the information about what led up to the riot. the insurrection on the 6th so that we can determine what steps, whether it's legislative or administrative to prevent this from ever happening again. >> without mentioning names, and i certainly understand your reluctance to mention names before subpoenas are actually issued, could you at least give us an indication where these subpoenas, these individuals, where they are, what they were doing? are they from the white house? were they working elsewhere? >> we've had people from the trump administration come in voluntarily. some of the information they've
provided has led us to seek information from others. so there are people who have personal knowledge about what happened, not only what the president did but what others did leading up to the riot. by the way, mr. meadows, i sure hope he does come in because the questions that we have to ask him are important. i think he has an obligation to tell the truth to the public and to the congress. and even if he thinks he has a claim to executive privilege in some way, we don't think so, but clearly there are questions that have nothing to do with executive privilege. for example, did he use his private email and private cell phone for government business? what happened to that cell phone, if he did? that's not covered by executive privilege. >> as you know, your chairman
bennie thompson said there's no decision from your meeting this morning on whether to hold meadows in contempt. is that off the table at least until after the thanksgiving break? >> well, we had a very good disc discussion, making sure that all of the elements that would be necessary to support a prosecution are present. we met with the committee lawyers, and i would say this discussion is very much ongoing and clearly he didn't comply with his obligations under the law. you have to come in to the committee, and if you have a claim of privilege, you have to assert that privilege question by question. there's no absolute immunity. the courts have ruled on that before. you can't just refuse to come in and refuse to answer any questions. unfortunately, that's what mark has done, and it's not lawful. >> if the committee says
meadows, as you suggest, has even refused to answer if he was using private cell phone to communicate on january 6th or where his text messages from that day are, do you have reason to believe he didn't retain those records or submit them to the archives? >> well, we have that question, and we'd like to pose that question. my former colleague, mark meadows, i'd like to ask him that. >> what do you think? >> well, i don't want to speculate. we just follow the facts and the law and get to the end. we are going to pursue every piece of evidence so that when we are through, we'll be able to tell the american public and our colleagues here in the congress everything there is to know so that we can take appropriate action, whether it's revising the electoral count act, revisiting the insurrection act or a number of many other things we might want to take a look at. >> representative zoe lofgren,
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they requested extra copies of pages 1 through 6 of jury instructions. and those instructions include concepts like self-defense, like provocation. of course, significant ones in deciding some of this trial. it also includes or also deals with i should say intent and the first-degree reckless homicide charge tied to the killing of joseph rosenbaum. about an hour ago they requested more copies from pages 7 through 36. that's all of the juror instructions. now they've been deliberating for about seven hours or so in total today. the day began with kyle rittenhouse himself drawing the juror names or juror numbers from an old-school lottery tumbler. we asked prosecutor or an attorney, i should say, who has tried cases in front of judge schroeder before, asking if this has happened. he said he hasn't seen it. at least in cases he tried. the court said the judge is expected to address the process around that at some point on camera but we don't know when
that is. the judge did say, though in regards to progress for these jurors, he'll be checking in with them in a little less than an hour to see how long they want to continue into tonight and whether they'll want to pick things back up in the morning. >> let us know as soon as you know. what are you seeing, omar, taking place outside the courthouse? i hear some noise behind you. >> yeah, wolf, of course, as this trial has gone on, we've seen the numbers of protesters and people outside grow steadily. today we've seen maybe the most we've seen over the course of this trial. still small overall but today has been a combination of those calling kyle rittenhouse a killer. those calling people like gaige grosskreutz, the man wounded in the shootings that night a hero. those calling rittenhouse a hero including people like mark and patricia mccloskey who were made famous for pointing their weapons at black lives matter
protesters outside their homes. we've seen a slightly increased law enforcement presence. they've been keeping an eye on these proceedings and feel confident that they are adequately staffed to maintain public safety over the course of this. no plans as of right now, from the police department, to institute any curfews or significant road closures in the lead up to this verdict. but you can see that people are anxious about when this verdict is going to come and just based on the people that have shown up outside the courthouse so far, there are going to be people angry at whatever the verdict is, again, whenever it comes. >> we'll see what happens. let's hope it's peaceful. thank you very much. let's get more on all of this. defense attorney, former federal prosecutor shan wu is with us, civil rights attorney areva martin and cnn legal analyst, former federal prosecutor elliott williams is with us as well. guys, thank you. elliott, this case is now in the hands of the jury. they are in their eighth hour. how difficult is the decision
before them? >> well, i think it's very difficult as evidenced by the fact they're now requesting to see the jury instructions. they lay out what the law is governing this case. five different charges, some lesser included charges and complicated things like reasonable doubt which we hear all the time but it's hard for jurors to understand. they'll have to unpack this for each of these individual charges. so, yes, it is -- even what may seem like common sense to outsiders watching this and i know this is a politically charged and racially charged case. at the end of the day, these folks have to assess these five charges. and the law is complicated. >> are you surprised areva, that the only thing the jurors have asked for so far today during these hours of their deliberation are these extra copies of their jury instructions? >> not surprised at all. i agree with elliott. these are very difficult and complicated matters that the jurors are being asked to consider. and think back to yesterday when the judge was instructing the
jury. he himself got caught up in the reading of the jury instructions. he stopped oftentimes. he would pause, reread paragraphs. i think he created a lot of confusion himself. and then the lawyers stand up in their closing arguments and made reference to the jury instructions. so the jurors have the actual instructions before them. what the judge read to them and the references from the lawyers. so they've got to sort through all of that. they didn't go back there and say automatically, you know, guilty or not guilty. they said let's go through these jury instructions and be methodical and let's make sure we're doing a very thorough job. that speaks well of our jury system. >> shan, does the presence of lesser charges make it more likely the jury will come to a unanimous decision? >> well, they have to come to a unanimous decision no matter what. i think it generally gives the prosecution more bites at the apple to give the lesser includeds. here, of course, as areva and elliott just said, it makes it
more complicated. the judge did this jury no favors. he really botched the instructions. it's going to be so critical what kind of verdict form they are given because that's going to serve as their navigational guide through this morass of charges, including the lesser includeds. >> if they don't come to a unanimous decision, if there's a hung jury, that -- that would have to potnt yell potntially l another retrial. >> a hung jury will be a victory for the defense. lots of things can happen in that decision to retry. they might reach a plea agreement. witnesses' memories fade. so a hung jury ending in mistrial say victory for the defense. >> elliott, the jury is not formally sequestered we're told. in a trial that's gained so much national attention like this one, should they be? >> judges really, wolf, really like to avoid sequestering juries. i think it's an incredibly stressful experience being on a
jury in the first place and then sequestering them on top of that. the law presumes that jurors can follow directions not to turn on the news, not to talk to their families, not to take in information about the case and so on. look, like many things in the law, that defies common sense and these are human beings in a 24-hour news cycle. it's hard to believe they won't see any sort of information about the trial, but again, judges are very, very reluctant to put jurors away in that manner. so i'm not that surprised he didn't, but, yes, this is incredibly controversial case and there might have been an argument for it. >> we also saw something i thought was unusual earlier today, areva. kyle rittenhouse himself selecting the names of the 12 jurors, the 18 jurors, 12 will be finalized, who will decide his fate out of this ravel tumbler as they say. is it unusual to involve the defendant in that process? usually a clerk would do something like that, right?
>> absolutely, wolf. what we've heard from lawyers who have practiced in wisconsin for decades and lawyers who have been before this judge said it's highly unusual that he allowed the defendant himself to make that selection. but this judge has been the center of attention, has made himself the center of attention throughout this entire trial. he's been prone to histrionics and invited a lot of drama into this courtroom. i wasn't surprised there was this dramatic moment where kyle is picking the jurors out of this tumbler. it's another, you know, inappropriate act by this judge. signalling to some jurors perhaps that kyle rittenhouse has hand picked them and perhaps some personal obligation they have to kyle rittenhouse because he was given that task. i think it was highly inappropriate. >> and we anticipate that the judge schroeder will be explaining why he decided to do that at some point. we'll watch and listen. thank you very much. meanwhile, new developments in another closely watched trial. georgia state prosecutors have
just rested their case in the trial of three white men accuse of killing ahmaud arbery. if convicted, each man could face life in prison without the possibility of parole. all three men have also indicated -- have been indicted on federal hate crime and attempted kidnapping charges. we're watching that trial as well. up next -- president biden hits the road to sell his new infrastructure law. but the rest of his agenda is facing major hurdles amid new questions over how much it will add to the federal deficit. stay with us. you're in "the situation room."
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president biden on the road celebrating one very, very important legislative victory while promoting the next item in his very ambitious agenda. let's go to our senior white house correspondent phil mattingly. the president today in new hampshire says he thinks his social spending and climate bill will be passed in the house of representatives within a week or so. what are you hearing? >> that's part two of the president's $3 trillion domestic policy agenda. in new hampshire today, standing on an 80-year-old bridge desperately in need of repairs trying to pitch the plan part one. that's the infrastructure proposal. one day after he signed that proposal into law making clear that he and his administration plan to wholeheartedly sell that proposal in the days and weeks ahead and hope to have some political benefit for the new hampshire congressional delegation, some of whom are top targets for republicans come the midterm elections. the president also focused on that second proposal. a proposal that's expected to
get a vote in the u.s. house as soon as the end of this week. take a listen. >> i am confident that the house is going to pass this bill. and when it passes, it will go to the senate. i think we'll get it passed within a week. it's fully paid for. it will reduce the deficit offer the long term, as i said. >> now wolf, whether or not that proposal is fully paid for is really the open question now. as a handful of house moderate democrats have been waiting to see the congressional budget office, scores of that nearly $2 trillion proposal to ensure that it is, in fact, paid for. one issue that has popped up has been the idea that the -- one of the key revenue raisers in that proposal, irs enforcement. the white house says it should raise about $320 billion on net. the cbo is not likely to score it that high but moderate democrats have made clear they're aware that's likely to be the case. they don't believe it's a hold-up. you talk to democrats here in the white house and on capitol hill they make very clear the expectation is at least in the house that proposal will be
passed by the end of this week. >> there's more news, i am hearing, phil, the president recently just a little while ago commenting on u.s. policy on taiwan. he's commenting after his lengthy 3 1/2-hour conversation with the chinese president last night. >> yeah, wolf, it's been one of the most significant sources of tension over the last several months. part of that is president biden going back and forth on what the u.s. policy is. a policy traditionally defined more by ambiguity than explicit desire of the united states. the president at least last night in that 3 1/2-hour virtual meeting with president xi jinping made clear the u.s. has not shifted its policy at all. that seemed to take a turn earlier today when he made clear taiwan can make its own decisions. now he is saying this. take a listen. >> i said that they have to decide, they, taiwan, not us. and we are not encouraging that
they do exactly what the taiwan act requires. that's the word to them. let them make up their mind, period. >> wolf, the president referencing the taiwan relations act which has guided u.s. policy as it relates to taiwan and china over the course of the last 40 or so years. and i think underscoring the fact that when it comes to u.s. policy on taiwan, there has not been a shift. the president underscoring last night the u.s. supports the one china policy. this, obviously, just one of a myriad of significant issues the two countries have been facing, trying to figure out a pathway forward on and that's the biggest takeway from administration officials. it wasn't about deliverables or breakthroughs. it was about setting the terms so the two countries can engage on those issues of friction in the weeks and months ahead. >> phil mattingly, thank you. more news we're following. a source telling cnn the house plans to vote tomorrow to censure republican congressman paul gosar of arizona and strip
him of one key committee. the move comes after gosar posted an anime video to social media showing him appearing to kill democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and attacking president biden. let's talk about that and more. joining us, chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny and senior political analyst david gurgen. david, congresswoman liz cheney, republican from wyoming, says it's indefensible for the house minority leader kevin mccarthy to turn a blind eye to representative gosar's behavior. shouldn't this be a no-brainer, drawing the line of depictions of violence against a fellow lawmaker? >> absolutely. once again, liz cheney is right. we ought to obey that. we have enough troubles right now. we have so many other issues that are so much more important than this. let's censure this guy and move on. >> but jeff, i suspect that not
a whole bunch of republicans will vote with the democrats to hold representative gosar accountable. will they? >> wolf, i think you're right. liz cheney and adam kinzinger, of course, republican of illinois, who has already said he's not running for re-election. of course, both of those two republicans voted to impeach president trump last year. but we do not expect many other republicans to join in. there may be a couple here or there. that does not mean that republicans publicly are not frustrated, really angry about this. but no leaders or others have spoken up. they do not want to anger the former president. even some -- we look to those ten members who voted for impeachment, take one for example, south carolina republican tom rice. he's going to be in a re-election fight. he said he does not believe what congressman gosar said was inappropriate. he said it was wrong, but stopped short of voting to censure. so i'd be very surprised if
there was a long roll call vote of republicans tomorrow. simply people are still afraid of former president trump who, of course, could lash out at all of them if they voted to censure mr. gosar. >> at the same time, david, the wyoming republican party will no longer now recognize congresswoman cheney as a member of the gop. is this fully the party now at least in wyoming, the party of trump? >> yes, i'm afraid it is. and liz cheney is suffering from that. look, if it's spreading across the country and has spread widely. trumpism has been embraced increasingly, not decreasingly, all offer the country. and the republicans i think are really getting a little scared. it's getting too hot. they won in virginia, youngkin won in virginia because he struck a better balance. he kept his distance but didn't go after him. what he did was come forward with a fresh new agenda or what
sounded like that. so that was a winning ticket, and they do need to take a stand on this fellow for what he did and make it clear, we're not, you know, we've got to work together on this. we cannot be for condoning violence. i mean, who -- if you run something showing somebody killing -- just by definition, it's wrong. it's crazy. >> yeah, you know, it's true. jeff, what sort of message does that send to other republicans, what the republican party in wyoming, for example, is doing to liz cheney as everyone is getting ready to now head into the midterm elections. >> look, it certainly sends a message to republicans. and they've already heard this repeatedly that there's no space for them to be able to distance themselves from any behavior that really is inappropriate or any language of the former president. so the news from the wyoming republican party is, it was hardly new. they already voted to censure
congresswoman cheney so they can't strip her of any powers but the reality is, it is going to have -- has already had a -- an effect on other republicans. people were simply afraid to speak out. everyone does not agree with it, if you talk to republican members privately, they would -- many of them would like to focus on issues and things but they simply are afraid of the leadership of their party. look at steve scalise. he is exhibit a here in the leadership. he was shot -- shot at in 2017 by a left wing gunman. he's been leading the way talking about how political rhetoric needs to cool down. he is also not in favor of this censure here. so really the boiling point here is increasing. it's very dangerous. and it would be nice if both sides could take a deep breath and recognize this for what it is. >> you'rezeleny, thank you. david gurgen, thanks as well. a fifth wave of the covid
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be rising so alarmingly fast that it's not just europeans' health but also their freedoms once again threatened. these sparkling decorations in parisienne windows as celebration of the return of the christmas season. also returning? the threat of more covid restrictions. that's why we came here as soon as we learned the decorations were up to make the most of what little free time we might have left. >> reporter: already two regions in france announcing the return of mandatory masks in outdoor spaces. new infection rates in france are skyrocketing. >> translator: a good ten days ago, the virus was taking a stance. now it's in the elevator. >> reporter: this new wave of covid-19 already harshly impacting france's neighbors. germany battling its worst infection rate since the pandemic began. again, imposing restrictions in berlin. allowing only people who have
been vaccinated or who have recently recovered from covid-19 to enter restaurants, cinemas and sports facilities. >> translator: we have to assume the situation throughout germany will get worse. and without additional measures, it will be unstoppable. >> reporter: austria seeing their cases exploding. taking more extreme measures, placing some 2 million unvaccinated people on partial lockdown. the new mandate, unvaccinated people in austria age 12 and older can only leave their homes for work, food shopping or emergencies. >> translator: if the incidents of vaccinated people is down it continues to rise exponentially for the unvaccinated. >> reporter: the lockdown which began on monday enforced with random spot checks and police patrols being stepped up for at least the next ten days. the move causing an outcry from some austrians about the disparity of treatment. >> translator: i'm here today
because i want to fight for my rights. these measures are absolutely discriminatory. >> reporter: in the netherlands, protests against lockdown measures announced last week amid a jump of new covid-19 infections reaching a tipping point over the weekend. with police firing water cannons on angry demonstrators. perhaps most alarming about the rise of new infections across europe, new casing cases strikis with fairly high vaccination rates. almost 75% of the adult population has been vaccinated. in france, that number is almost 75%. germany, more than 65% and austria almost 65%. leaving many to wonder what, if anything, will be able to stop a seemingly never-ending pandemic. wolf, there are a number of factors at play here.
the colder weather pushing people indoors. immunity levels dropping since people who have been vaccinated got vaccinated awhile ago and have not necessarily had their booster shots yet. but if you look at those measures what they are targeting is the unvaccinated. and that tells you european leaders feel it's the 25%, 30%, 35% of the population that have so far not chosen to get vaccinated that they are really worried about and that may be pushing europe towards another long, bitter covid winter, wolf. >> it's an awful situation. melissa bell in paris, thank you for that report. let's discuss this with dr. peter hotez, co-director of the texas children's hospital center for vaccine development. also the dean of the national school of tropical medicine at baylor college of medicine. the author by the way of an important book "preventing the next pandemic." dr. hotez, thanks as usual for joining us. so you just heard what i think everyone will agree is a very concerning report out of europe.
even in countries with fairly high vaccination rates. they are seeing infection levels skyrocket right now. should we here in the united states be concerned we'll soon see similar spikes? >> yes, and arguably, wolf, we are already starting to see that. we've had a 14% rise over the next -- over the last two weeks and, guess what, the epidemic in the united states looks like the same as it did last year where it went -- it was a huge southern wave across the southern states in the summer. it went down and then around the time of thanksgiving, it started going up in the northern midwest. and guess what? that's exactly what's happening again. so 14% over the last two weeks we're seeing now things are looking -- starting to look dire again in colorado, minnesota, wisconsin, michigan, very much like last year, and the problem is this. everyone is high-fiving themselves saying 59, 60% of the u.s. population is vaccinated. well, that means 40% is
unvaccinated. and that's a lot of individuals where this virus can still infect. and we're also having some declining immunity after two doses. and so we're going to have to get three immunizations of the mrna vaccines in order to stop that as well. so we can make care of this. we have the tools. but the bar is high. >> we are just looking at the numbers from johns hopkins university. the u.s. is averaging 90,000 new cases a day. that's a huge increase. 24% increase over last week alone. and some 1200 americans are still dying every day from covid. mostly all these people, the new cases, and the deaths, unvaccinated americans. 1200 americans still dying every day. we're also right now learning new details about the fda that apparently is planning to authorize pfizer's vaccine booster doses for all adults 18 and over by friday here in the united states. are you optimistic this will
help prevent what we fear could be a winter surge? >> yes, provided enough people buy in and get that third immunization. we've seen the data coming out of israel. that third immunization seems to restore the ability of the vaccine to not only halt hospitalizations and deaths, but also even transmission and the infection as well. there was a paper in the new england journal, another in the lancet. so i'm very excited about that three doses. but to really halt this pandemic in the united states, it's going to need 85% of the u.s. population vaccinated. not the adults but the full population. so all of the adults, all of the adolescents, and we have to redefine what full vaccination means. three doses of either the two mrna and two of the j&j, and we can do it, but people have to be willing to accept it. we're losing too many unvaccinated americans right now. >> we certainly are. it's not going away.
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administration of belarus. matthew, you were there as the situation erupted, exploded. tell us what happened. >> reporter: very dramatic scenes, wolf, on the border between belarus and poland with the migrants who have been kept in very, very tough conditions for over a week, finally losing their tempers essentially, getting so frustrated and that anger boiling over resulting in violence. picking up stones, throwing them towards the polish border security guards on the other side of the fence, inside poland, inside the european union. sticks, running towards the fences while trying to breach it by force. that was responded to by the pols with force themselves. they pushed the protesters back, the migrants back. they used water cannons. i was caught up in it myself.
some of it had a pepper component to it. it was effective, though. essentially after being subjected to that kind of treatment at the hands of the polish border security forces, the protests eventually fizzled out. the belarusians have been accused of orchestrating this migrant crisis in order to create a humanitarian incident or catastrophe on the border to punish europe perhaps for the sanctions they've imposed against belarus and warn them about the chaos that could ensue if they get on the wrong side of belarus or push it too far. i didn't see who started this. i didn't see any sign of the belarusians urging these migrants to attack, but they didn't intervene either. right up until the end, security forces poured in from the belarusian side and the migrants dissipated and the violence came to an end. >> matthew, be careful over
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