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answer this question, closer than ever before. "the hunt for planet "b" in the quest to find another earth." that premiers saturday right here at 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. thanks for joining us on "inside politics." hope to see you back here tomorrow. asdrubal cabrera picks up our coverage right now. hello, i'm ana cabrera in new york. thanks for being with us. self-defense, or did he provoke the deadly encounter. >> reporter: kyle rittenhouse's fate is now in the jury's hands as the city of kenosha, wisconsin braces for a verdict. the 18-year-old is facing five felony charges after killing two men and wounding another during protests over a police shooting last year. rittenhouse this morning pug the names of the 12 jury members from the original is who are now weighing several complicated legal questions as they discuss
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for the first time everything they heard and saw. 31 witnesses taking the stand, including the accused killer himself. cnn shimon prokupecz is live outside the courthouse. shimon, what more can you share about this jury, and i understand they have already asked a question. >> reporter: yeah. they have, just a short time ago we got word that they committed a note to the court asking for a cope of the jury instructions, and what we have learned since then is even more information. very specific stuff, questions that they have on the -- from the jury instructions. what they asked for was for pages 1 through 6. now, most that have has to deal with the self-defense and provocation instructions. the provocation instruction was only given to the jury after the prosecutors had argued for it at the end of last week, a small but perhaps significant victory
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for prosecutors in getting that instruction told to the jury. the other thing that we learned is that on page 4 of these instructions focuses on the intent to kill and then five and six, pages five and six focus on the reckless homicide charge in connection to the death of joseph rosenbaum. joseph rosenbaum, of course, is the man that the defense has painted as this person who instigated the entire incident and that he ambushed kyle rittenhouse. prosecutors obviously arguing that kyle rittenhouse instigated the whole thing. that's where the provocation charge comes in also one final note, the charge relating to joseph rosenbaum is on the first page of the verdict sheets. they have a 14-page verdict sheet. on page 1 it begins with a charge, with a count against joseph rosenbaum.
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>> okay. so shimon, thank you for giving us that update. i want to bring in areva martin and a criminal defense attorney to discuss where we are in this trial which is at this criminal phase. search women, five men, only one man is a person of color. that is who is deliberate as we speak. based on the evidence and the closing arguments we all heard live here yesterday, how hard do you think it will be to done to a unanimous verdict, and do you read anything into that one question that has so far been sent to the court? >> well, ana, i read into that question which is what everyone saw which is the confusion that the judge created by reading the jury instructions. first of all, self-defense as an instruction is already difficult enough and then you add the additional charge of provocation so now you have the complication upon complication and then you have the judge reading the instructions. he would some and he would start and he would read a paragraph over.
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would have discussion and hold his head so i'm not surprised that the jurors have asked to see those pages again because they want to make sure that they are clear. the jury instructions are a road happen for them so not at all surprised by that. i think the prosecution though overall, ana did, a fantastic job of laying out the facts of the case and painting a vivid picture. they told a really compelling story and used language like active shooter and chaos tours and i think those phrases are going to stick with those jurors as they deliberate. >> the issue is self-defense and whether the use of force was justified. the two men rittenhouse killed one armed, and the prosecution in closing made this point to jurors. listen. >> no one is saying that mr. rittenhouse did not have a right to defend himself. punch him in the face, kick him in the testicles. knee him in the face, hit him with your gun. you don't just immediately get to shoot someone.
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>> how significant was this argument in terms of the charges that rittenhouse faces and the lesser charges as well-being allowed? >> yeah, ana. the prosecution's key arguments, and by the way i disagree with areva, i don't think they have established their case. he provoked what ensued calling him a chaos tourist, provocation was the headline of their closing argument, that he didn't have to kill but did, and they even compared him to the third victim who survived saying that he had a pistol. he chose not to shoot. well, you know, the threat to one is not necessarily a threat to another and then they ultimately argue that the force that was used was not propoal t the threat that was posed and that might have been the strongest argument that they had, but one of the things that really struck me is how wrong the d.a. was in arguing to the jury that just because rosenbaum was unarmed that somehow there's no self-defense with respect to him had. you can absolutely defend
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yourself, even if the person you're before is posing a threat is not armed and does not have a weapon. the question for the jury is did he act reasonably in the jury ultimately, despite all the problems with the jury instructions, et cetera, would think what would i do in that same situation? would i believe that i was facing an imminent threat of great bodily harm or dead and would i be justified in using deadly force or would i have had to do some of the other things that the d.a. alluded, to the kick considering, the hitting or the running away. i think the defense, ana, did a really good job at painting the real picture of mr. rosenbaum. you know, he was not just a peaceful protester there. he was a violent angry man who had been ingagt, ambushing and threatening rittenhouse and i think that really matters because, you know, when you're talking about provocation, they have not been able to argue a single fact that supports provocation with respect to the
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response by shooting. you know, is it enough to be in kenosha with bad ideas in your head? i don't think so. >> to that point, you say one key argument that stands out in the prosecution's case is the use of that phrase active shooter. here's how the defense addressed that. >> every person who is shot was attacking kyle. ladies and gentlemen, kyle was not an active shooter. that is a buzzword that the state wants to latch ton because it excuses the actions of that mob. >> so what does the evidence prove? >> yeah. i think the evidence is clear that kyle rittenhouse was an active shooter. can you use the word active shooter, you can use chaos tourist or provocateur and contrary to what was just said there is absolutely evidence that he instigated this. he raised his gun at mr. rosenbaum.
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that is an act of aggression and instigation and provocation and i think the prosecution did a really good job of establishing that, and what i saw from the defense at the beginning of his argument was rambling, disjointed statements. i would say at the end he did make a more cohesive argument. he blamed everyone. he accused the prosecutor of lying. he accused all the witnesses of lying. he accused the dead people of being bad. he even used the term crazy in describing mr. rosenbaum, so everyone involved in that situation was bad, wrong or a liar except kyle rittenhouse who we know lied about being an emt works we know told multiple lies about not having shot anyone so to the extent that anyone was a liar we saw it plain and simply with respect to kyle rittenhouse. >> thank you both for now. that's it. we'll stay with this as we continue throughout the hour in case we get a jury. the jury deliberating two hours and appreciate both of your
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expertise and i sights. the medical engineer is taking stat and in the trial of three white men of killing black jogger ahmaud arbery and touring his testimony edmund donahue describe the chest wounds as the jury was shown graphic autopsy photos. donohoe revised his estimate of how close the shotgun was to arbery when he was shot. cnn's martin savidge is covering this trial in brunswick, georgia. martin, difficult testimony obviously for anybody to have to see those graphic images, especially the ahmaud arbery family. what was the prosecution hoping to show or do with this evidence? >> i think what is obvious wits fact that ahmaud arbery died an extremely violent death. the medical examiner basically said that there were three shots fired, two of which struck ahmaud arbery. this is from a shotgun and this is at very close range.
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the first one appears to have gone directly into his chest and the other one missed and then the third shot appears to have gone up through his armpit. the medical examiner said either one of those two hits were fatal. it would be the part of the prosecution here to want to show that not only did ahmaud arbery suffer these terrible blows but that he would have been weakened in his ability to strike or fight because they believe this is going to be something that the defense brings forward, that ahmaud arbery was pummeling or delivering blows to travis mcmichael and i think the state has tried to say here that he was too weakened by the gunshot blasts, ana. >> one of the defense attorneys ketch gauf has made head lyons in the last few days. again, he complained about prominent black pastors attending this trial and that did not keep reverend jesse jackson away. it also didn't convince the jung that this was a real problem.
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what is the latest on goff's complaint? >> well, this time he decided to take his words and put it into a formal motion which is what he said he delivered to the court this morning. it seemed like he had changed or nuanced the language somewhat saying that now he wants the court to monitor all of the theme are in the public area of the court, so i don't know, i haven't been able to see the motion that he specifically mentioned black pastors but we know that's his primary concern here. the judge said i'll have to review this motion and rule at another time, but judge is has already publicly twice said in court that he's not going to start monitoring those in the public space as long as they follow the decorum of the court. >> okay. martin savidge, appreciate that update. just into cnn, lawyers for former president trump arguing in a new filing that turning over his white house records would give congress too much power over the executive branch. plus, some friendly banter but also a stark warning in
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president biden's biggest talks yet with china. what sparked xi jinping to say those who play with fire get burned? and astronauts told to shelter in place in space after a russian rocket blows a satellite to pieces sending dangerous debris towards the international space station.
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hyperpartisan times congress will increasingly and inevitably use this new weapon to perpetually harass its political rival. let's discuss with cnn senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor laura coates. laura, what do you make of this new argument? >> nice try. the idea of our democracy having oversight functions of a co-equal branch of government, not to elevate one over the other, but the mere attempt to try to get documents that go to the heart of the issue about our democracy, about the integrity of our elections and any role that a member of the executive branch might have played in contributing to, perpetuating and allowing to metastasize the big lie, that falls under the oversight and frankly the legislative function to be able to correct this behavior so this is an attempt real by the former president to suggest that if the privilege argument doesn't stick, if that's no longer one that would stick on the kitchen wall, let's try this instead of an all too powerful congress,
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but ana, if congress does not have the oversight function and cannot check and balance other co-equal branches of government, doesn't that mean the other branch remains unchecked. doesn't that mean it becomes all too powerful and isn't that the problem? >> we'll see what the judge rules here. let talk about the other big battle under way, the house select committee investigating the capitol attack is weighing a criminal contempt charge for mark meadows after he denied the subpoena and congressman jamie raskin says, quote, they haven't gotten there yet. if steve bannon's indictment was meant to set an example for oh, i think others are asking why not meadows? why is this decision tougher? >> it's much tougher. remember, steve bannon was not a part of the administration, not an employee of the executive branch since at least 2017. had fallen out of the good graces of president trump, so the discussion that he would have with a president would be akin to really president trump
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talking to an uber driver, right in the idea of mark meadows however, is far more an interesting discussion about what we hope the executive privilege will achieve. we want members of the cabinet. we want members of the inner circle let alone the inner oval, the chief of staff, to be able to have these frank conversations with the president of the united states without fear of having confidentiality compromised so he's always had a stronger more colorful claim about conversations with the president of the united states as potentially being privileged. now, he doesn't have a slam dunk case because, remember, the executive privilege rests with the institution of the president sir and the incumbent president joe biden should trump, forgive the pun, the former president donald trump and the assertion of it and mark meddo and the assertion of whether or not his conversations i would argue even for someone like dan scavino or even kailey mcenany would be a much harder case because they are expected to have the kinds
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of conversations where the privilege might attach, but who holds it right now will ultimately be the decisive factor. >> you and i were talking yesterday when bannon was making his court appearance. sheer what his lawyer is telling cnn today. >> for any person who does any kind of litigation, one would never head into a deposition where privilege is claimed and have the client just take a chance. oh, well, maybe some of the information is privileged, maybe they want but the privilege won't thereby for someone to object. it's the privilege holder to determine that and then it's resolved in a courts. this ought to be a civil matter resolved in a court and mr. bannon's lawyer responsibly told the committee that if the court orders him to answer any of the questions he will answer them and comply. >> is that a sound argument? >> no. simply put he's wrong. there are many questions which the privilege would not attach, and if the privilege he believed
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was and could be made, he should argue that point after he arrives, complies with the subpoena. for example, what's your name? the answer steve bannon is not going to be privileged. the idea of what did you say publicly on your podcast to address said issues? that's not privileged. if it was he's also waived it. any conversation that did not involved a direct discussion with the then president of the united states, those don't fall under even an assertion in matter how non-colorable the assertion of privilege so the idea that you can simply say you know what, i'm going decide blanketly that i don't even have to show up. i'm not going to answer a single question, even the most benign or unrelated to any conversation with donald trump is absolutely absurd, and if your attorney says that there's questions about the attorney as well iners of the advice that they are giving because what happened, as you'll remember, just last week, there was witness who showed up and didn't answer the questions he didn't want to answer, right, but he now has a better chance
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of avoiding contempt charges rather than saying like steve bannon kick rocks. >> i think you're talking about jeffrey clarke, the person behind the scenes trying to orchestrate the doj to respond in a way that trump would have liked, suggesting that there was something to investigate that, interest was some there there when it came to voter fraud which the doj on record said there wasn't. thank you so much, laura coates, as always for your expert analysis. turning now to the white house with tensions between china and the u.s. on a constant summer, president biden and chinese president xi jinping had their most product you have takes yet. it went three and a half hours, so longer than planned and it was described as a healthy debate which included an ominous warning about taiwan from the president of china who reportedly said, quote, those who play with fire will get burned. cnn's phil mattingly is at the
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white house and will ripley is live in taiwan. phil, let me start with you. it sounded like it was friendly enough, but clearly there were some tough topics. what are the takeaways? >> candid and direct, and i think it's well known. the president of china, president of the united states, and that was the basis of the conversation. i think with the best framing that i heard related to the three and a half hour virtual engagement was the idea that there were no breakthroughs to report and none were expected. that wasn't the point of this sit-down of this bilateral meeting between the two leaders and their top advisers. the point was to establish a way to manage the relationship that's become increasingly divisive and your report over whether there's taiwan or trade or human rights issues. more and more you've seen the u.s. and china kind of running into the issue headlong and that was at least the u.s. side of
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this meeting to hoping to try to address. not necessarily hoping to find solutions. not necessarily having deliverables but instead to lay the groundwork to set the stage for managing that relationship going forward and in that regard the administration officials believe they at least took a first step towards that ultimate end game. >> will, remind our viewers why taiwan is such a sensitive issue and explain why taiwan's leadership is celebrating biden's remarks coming out of this virtual summit. >> there really is no more sensitive issue from the chinese perspective than taiwan, ana. when u.s. lawmakers visited taipei just last week in a u.s. military plane, there was a quick fiery response from the foreign ministry in beijing and so for president in the summit with president xi to acknowledge that the united states still holds on to the one china policy agreed upon back -- nearly 50 years ago, when the u.s. an china normalized relations, it
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is being celebrated in beijing with positive headlines, but, of course, what they are not mentioning in beijing that the united states is still adhering to basically its policy that it's going to supply weapons to twaun an help taiwan defend itself in the event that china were trying to disrupt this very, very delicate balance that you have here that you have an authoritarian government on the mainland and a self-governing island, an island that china claims as its own since the end of china's civil war so if you lay out the competing interests here, have you china that wants eventual reunification here with taiwan. you have taiwan which wants to maintain its sovereignty and even expand its role to the united nations and other global organizations and then you have the u.s. which wants to keep everything exactly the same and yet has been moving closer and for the chinese perspective to say one china policy that's being celebrated in chinese state media as some sort of proof that president biden
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thinks of taiwan as part of mainland china which isn't entirely accurate, ana. >> thanks for explaining it. it's complicated. will ripley and phil mattingly, appreciate it. vote on president biden's spending bill or you won't be home for thanksgiving. that coming from house speaker nancy pelosi as she tries to force action on the president's build back better plan. details next. [energetic music throughout] what's strong with me? i'm ready for anything. find out what's strong with you with fitbit charge 5 and daily readiness. your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit
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we're just minutes away now from president biden speaking in new hampshire where he is going to highlight the upcoming benefits of the bipartisan infrastructure package that he signed into law yesterday yesterday alongside dozens of lawmakers from both parties who helped make this a reality. but washington being washington, everyone now wants to talk about the next piece of unfinished business, the president's build back better plan and joining us now is a key player on both of these bills, democrat josh gottheimer of new jersey. first of all, you were at that signing yesterday, a major legislative victory for the biden agenda. how quickly will voters feel the impact of this legislation? >> ana, thanks so much for having me. yesterday was a huge day for the
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country and it was a sign that democrats and republicans can come together and get a significant win for americans and for families, and i'll tell you, i was back home this past weekend. a lot of high fives in the diner because people were excited that in short order they would get the roads fixed, in jersey the third worst roads in new jersey, the gateway tunnel will be built, bridges fixed, clean drinking water for their kids. this is a recognition that this is a huge win for america and now we've got to get to work and get the word out there and get those projects going and shovels in the ground. >> you didn't answer my question how quickly that will happen. we're hearing from the white house that that could take years. >> a lot of these projects are red to go fast. friday, i was at a bridge in teaneck, new jersey, that's literally crumbling dating back to 1931. we've got to get to work on that right away and a lot of projects are ready. we're with men and women of labor who will get to work on these 2 million jobs a year and
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lots will happen quickly. some projects, of course, take longer, but, you know, when you're dealing with a state of infrastructure in a country as it is, you know, whether you're sitting on jersey transit waiting for your train or stuck on a road in traffic, people are eager to get things fixed. >> right now voters aren't satisfied with democrats who have, you know, the majority in all houses of congress as well as the white house, of course. according to the latest "washington post"/abc news poll voters give republicans a ten-point advantage over democrats in the generic house ballot going into the mid-term elections, ten points, that's quite the gap. what do you read into this poll? >> polls move around fast and now that we're actually getting shovels in the ground and people to work, have taken action. people are rightly frustrate it had took long thaern it should have to get this bill passed. i'm part of the problem solvers caucus. we've been waiting on this bill since april and it finally got done and now it's up to us to
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let people know about it as the support doing momentarily. we'll tell folks what they are doing to make lives better for their families. we need to do it. >> when it comes to taking action how crucial is it for democrats to get the build back better legislation passed as well so people like you have accomplishments to run on? >> we'll get that done. i mean, i've been talking at home about how that's going to deliver lower taxes for families in my district because we're going to reinstate the state and local tax deduction or s. a l.t., pre-k, need to get things done immentally and we need to talk to folks for the next weeks and months, and i think that will make a real difference in the poll numbers. >> speaker pelosi says nobody is leaving for thanksgiving until that larger social spending bill is passed, and today house majority leader steny hoyer laid out this time line saying that
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debate on bbb, the vote thursday night or friday. you and other moderates have been waiting on more data from the congressional budget office, but you said you have now looked at least some of the data, so would you be ready to vote before the full cbo score is out? >> what we're waiting for is we want more information from the cbo which we're expecting either late thursday or some on friday. we're still going to get final answers from the cbo. i'm expecting that data to be in line with what the white house and treasury information they gave us a week ago and assuming that's the case i see no reason why we can't move forward and get this done and start cutting taxes for families back in my district, so, you know, i think we're going to go home into thanksgiving with another big win for the country on top of that bipartisan infrastructure win and it's going to be a good week for the american people and i know for families into my district. >> do you expect a vote by the end of day friday? >> assuming we get the information from the cbo. we said the week of the 15th and
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the fda's top vaccine official tells cnn revowing pfizer's request to authorize booster shots for all adults is now their highest priority right now. this as the virus keeps circumstance late and u.s. cases are up 24% from last week. the other stunning number here is only 36% of americans 65 and older have gotten boosters. dr. jonathan reiner joins us now, a professor of medicine and surgery at george washington university. doctor, good to see you today. you've been a big supporters of boosters from early on. >> yeah. >> how critical is swift action on boosters for all adults, and what is your concern if more americans aren't boosted soon? >> well, i think what we now
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know is if you've received an mrna vaccine and you've only had two shots and you're more than six months fraught your second shot you are no longer fully vaccinated. i think that's what the american people need to understand that these are three-doze vaccines and our understanding what have constitutes full vaccination now requires a third shot after six months. >> but why isn't the fda there yet? >> i think they will be. they were really short-sighted to limit the boosters to folks over the age of 65 or those with a high-risk medical condition or potential occupational exposure. there's really robust data that shows that the efficacy of these vaccines to prevent both symptomatic infection and severe and des and hospitalization declines through all the age groups. the efficacy for severe infection or death for the pfizer vaccine is probably somewhere between 50% and 70%, not nearly as high as it was
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when -- after the people are initially vaccinated where it's well over 90%, so in order to decrease infections and even more importantly decrease severe illness and death, we need to boost everyone in this country over the age of 18 if they were vaccinated more than six months ago. fda and cdc will finally get to this point but the more time they take the more people get infected. >> we are seeing local just diksz, some states get ahead of the fda now and are just hoepg opening it up to all adults. however, of those people who are already eligible, there doesn't seem to be a huge demand. adults ages 65 and older are america's most fully vaccinated group. 86% are considered fully vaccinated with two doses and yet only 36% of that group have gotten this critical third dose, the booster. how do you explain that? >> because boosters were sort of
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rolled out as saying people over the age of 635 were eligible. what the public really hasn't been told is, again, these are three-dose advantages owns and if you over the age of 65 and i think over the age of 18, but if you're over the age of 65 you must get a booster. it is urgent for you to get a booster. the public i think was told, that look, we're mostly boosting people to prevent symptomatic infection, but the efficacy against severe disease or hospitalization and death remains robust. it's not that robust. what we do know and what's really reassuring is the third dose does restore that terrific protection against both infection, hospitalization and also death to over 59% efficacy, and the public needs to be told to be fully vaccinated you need a third shot, as simply as that.
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>> here we are at the holidays, right, thanksgiving just about a week away. >> yeah. >> and dr. fauci has said fully vaccinated families are safe to gather. do you agree with that especially if you're saying, you know, people aren't fully vaxxed without a booster dose? >> i think that, again, it depends on when your last shot was, but i would encourage folks who are planning to get together for thanksgiving or for christmas to get boosted now. there's plenty of vaccines in the communities, go ahead and get your booster right now. >> doctor, it's good to have you here as always. thanks so much. >> my pleasure. imagine being on a mission in space and out of nowhere thousands of pieces of space junk come flying toward you. coming up, the terrifying scramble for astronauts and why russia is being blamed.
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a missile fired into space, blowing a satellite to bits. sending thousands of shards of dangerous debris toward the
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international space station. up there, it forced astronauts to shelter in place. down here, it is sparking an international incident. the united states is slamming russia for creating this incredibly dangerous situation saying moscow's anti-satellite missile was reckless and dangerous. a retired nasa astronaut and author of "floating in darkness" is joining us from boulder, colorado. colonel, this sounds like something out of a movie, but you have been through a similar experience on the space station. so what goes through your mind, take us there and as a random shard of metal or whatever the debris is, threatening to rip through your fragile space pod. >> yeah, back in 2011, i was on board the international space station with a japanese astronaut and three russian cosmonauts and a piece of space junk came close. and normally we can move the orbit of the space station away
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from anything that is coming towards us. but for whatever reason, we didn't have enough warning so all we had the time do is close every happen on the space station, three of us got into one soyuz, the other three got into another soyuz spacecraft and closed the happen and just h hatch and were glad that it didn't hit. >> so is it the speed that makes it so risky or are these like really, really big pieces of space junk? >> in this case it was a big piece of space junk. but that and the speed would have been really bad. >> how much space junk is up there, how big of a problem is this? >> it is a huge problem even if we don't blow up satellites. there is a tipping point out there are, you know, we've been putting up stuff into orbit the last 60 plus years, things break
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off, you know, not everything goes as planned. things get decommissioned and there is so much space junk up there that there is an issue. and we can get to a tipping point where if we start to have a lot of collisions, those collisions can take off exponentially. and we can get to the point where we can imprison ourselves on to earth and lose all our space-based assets. so it is a big challenge and we're making it worse by blowing things up. >> we're told this latest incident created hmore than 150 pieces of trackable debris and now the u.s. is slamming russia for all of this. take a listen to spokesman ned price. >> this test will significantly increase the risk to astronauts and cosmonauts on the international space station and other human space flight activiti activities. russia is jep arresopardizing a demonstrating that russia's
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claims of opposing the weaponization of space are hypocritical. >> you say that the situation could have been even worse if astronauts and cosmonauts were not living together on this space station. how so? >> yeah, well imagine if this doesn't occurred and it wasn't the international space station and there weren't russians and u.s. living and working together. what the space station provides us is a foundation for dialogue. it is a shining light of international cooperation even in the midst of something like this. and if you look at the height of the cold war, missions prove that even if the darkest times we can still keep a dialogue open and keep cooperation, the possibility of cooperation, open. >> so do you see russia as just being completely reckless or just november uor not understan dangerous this is? >> i think anybody who shoots do una satellite is acting
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recklessly, short sightedness and stupidity. most of it will be a debris field that nobody wins and everybody loses. i think that we should treat weapons that shoot down -- or attempt to shoot down satellites and blow up satellites as weapons of mass destruction because they are. we are rapidly through our own ignorance destroying our ability to utilize space for the benefit of all of humanity. >> colonel, so great to have you as our guest today. thank you very much. >> my pleasure. and that does it for me. i'll see you at 1:00 tomorrow. and you can join me on twitter. how about a throwback? ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
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