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rittenhouse. was it self-defense, or did his actions provoke deadly violence? playing with fire -- a warning from china to president biden about taiwan. fascinating details from this virtual summit. violence erupts at a critical border. polish troops clash with migrants on the border with belarus. cnn is live on the scene of this growing humanitarian crisis. the fate of kyle rittenhouse now in the hands of a jury. deliberations are now under way following a two-week trial that included dozens of witnesses and very graphic video of the deadly shootings. the judge having rittenhouse himself randomly pick the 12 jurors from a raffle basket. they will decide what happens now. six others will serve as backup jurors. rittenhouse faces five felony charges for killing two men,
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wounding another during protests in kenosha, wisconsin. the most serious charge carries a mandatory life sentence. the big question facing this jury, and there is a lot that has been said and a lot of evidence and a lot of witnesses, but the key question is whether they believe rittenhouse was scared and fired his gun in self-defense or was he armed, dangerous, and the one who provoked the deadly violence? let's begin with cnn's shimon prokupecz live outside the courthouse for us this hour. hi, there, shimon. >> reporter: hi, kate. so, right, that jury now selected. it's five men, seven women, one person of color on the jury. that is one of the men. as you said, they have now started their deliberation, probably about 25 minutes into it. and a series of charges, of counts they need to consider. the verdict sheet, 14 pages. they will go sheet by sheet, page by page in whatever order
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they want in trying to decide if kyle rittenhouse is guilty or not guilt. one of things as you said is the self-defense case, so they need to take into consideration what it is that kyle rittenhouse believed, what it is that he was seeing, what it is from his perspective. and one of the things that the judge read to them to help them try and understand that is a charge, one of the instructions on the belief, and how they need to look at that and sort of on his belief as to what a reasonable person in that situation would do. so that is something that they will be reading to themselves. of course, when the judge read the instructions to the jury, it was confusing. they will now have the chance to look it over on their own. of course the charges that kyle rittenhouse faces, one of the most serious would carry a potential mandatory sentence of life imprisonment. that is a first-degree homicide charge, if he was to be found guilty on that. it is most serious charge.
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so he would be facing a mandatory life in prison. there are two lesser-included charges that he will also -- that he is also facing that the judge added, that the jury is going to be considering, and that is sort of like a second-degree homicide murder charge. that is something else that the jury will consider, so we're about 45 minutes into the deliberations, and so now the jury gets to work. >> shimon, stick close. let's see what comes of it, any kwae questions from the jury. joining me for more is elie hoenig and jennifer rogers. first, elie, can you take us inside the jury room? what happens now? >> yeah, kate, this is one of the great mysteries of our legal system. the jurors have been instructed as to the law but they're not told to do when they get in there. typically they first elect a foreperson, but then they approach it in different ways.
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all we are going to know is we'll get little hints periodically over the next several days. they will send out notes, ask to see certain evidence, have testimony read back to them, and we will try to figure out if that looks good or bad for one side of the other, and eventually they will hopefully send out a note that says we have a verdict and we'll take the verdict. they'll vote on each of these counts individually. it's not all guilty or all not guilty. we could have guilty on some counts, not guilty on others. >> let's jump into this, guys, because from jury instructions to closing arguments, it was a marathon day yesterday for the jury and what they were expected to take in. we saw it play out on air, and it was confusing. it was a lot. i want to play some of the moments that stuck out to both of you. i want to play this moment from the very beginning of the prosecution's closing argument, then i'll ask you about it. listen to this, please. >> this is a case in which a
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17-year-old teenager killed two unarmed men and severely wounded a third person with an ar-15 that did not belong to him. this isn't a situation where he was protecting his home or his family. he killed people after traveling here from antioch, illinois, and staying out after a city-wide curfew. >> elie, why was this an important moment? >> well, so this was the very first thing the prosecutor said to this jury. i was taught as a prosecutor by jennifer, my supervisor and others, that the first thing you say to the jury is crucial, because they've just heard days, weeks of evidence and it's a lot and you have to cut through the noise, you have to get right to the heart of the matter. i thought that opening line, essentially this is a teenager with a dangerous weapon who killed two unarmed people and wounded another, i think that brought the jury back to the heart of the matter. >> jennifer, another moment from the state's closing. listen to this. >> here is the defendant running in between those parked cars, slowing down, and you can see
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just how close or rather how far away mr. rosenbaum was when the defendant shot him. mr. rosenbaum is not even within arm's reach of the defendant when the first shot goes off. there's no way mr. rosenbaum could have take than gun even if he wanted to. he is already falling to the ground. you can't claim self-defense against an unarmed man. >> this is showing kind of a smattering of the state walking through the video piece by piece, the videos. why do you think this was effective? >> so, what the prosecution was trying to do is really slow this down. they were saying there were lots of points along the way where kyle rittenhouse had a choice to make, he had options. he didn't have to shoot. he could have, you know, gone back, could have retreated, could have hit him with the gun. he went through all sorts of things that could have resulted in something different, and then with respect to rosenbaum, he said he didn't even have to shoot him again. he shot him once. obviously, that stopped rosenbaum. but he shot him three more
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times. what the prosecution is doing is slowing this down to say to the jury, hey, there are all sorts of places rittenhouse could have made a different decision and people wouldn't have died, and yet he didn't do that. so conversely, the defense is doing the opposite, right, trying to speed it all up because they're trying to set different parameters. that was important for prosecution to say other choices, other options, meaning he can't claim self-defense. >> one thing -- both of you have been pointing throughout watching this trial is this was a tough case for the state because the burden of proof when it comes to disproving self-defense was on the state. i want to play a moment that, elie, you highlighted from the defense's closing about what they've done. >> every person who was shot was attacking kyle -- one with a skit board, one with his hands, one with his feet, one with a gun. hands and feet can cause great bodily harm. >> elie, why do you think this
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was a good place for the defense to be? >> yeah, so, kate, one of the things that the prosecution has tried to cast kyle rittenhouse as is a live shooter, an active shooter. they used that phrase in their closing argument. i think the defense lawyer did an effective job saying he was not shooting indiscriminately. he was physically attacked at least once where he did not respond, the guy who hits him on the back of the held out on the street. i think the point here is he was under enormously dangerous attacks by people and only shot when he reasonably believed, that's the key phrase, reasonably believed he had to use lethal force in order to protect himself from death or serious bodily injury. i think they made that argument quite clearly there. >> and, look, this is all now in the hands of the jury. they will go through it as you have laid out. but one thing, and i think we can probably play this video again, jennifer, that i think is kind of worth discussing,
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because i know this is not new to you or elie, but just the fact that such a big part of our judicial system seems to be based on random selection, like watching kyle rittenhouse, watchings, like, this bingo-style roller being used to choose who the 12 jurors are going to be in the end and kyle rittenhouse picking those numbers out himself. jen, that's you. >> yeah. i mean, it is kind of nuts, but, you know, one of the problems with jury selection here is that the judge didn't allow a questionnaire. both sides wanted a questionnaire. the judge didn't allow it. he then picked this jury, the 12 plus the alternates, in a day in a case like this with all the media attention, automatic of the political overtones. we are where we are not knowing much about these jurors, and frankly not being confident they've been fully vetted for biases and exposure to the case because of what the judge did.
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so, you know, you're never going to know exactly who you get. jurors can be unpredictable no matter what, but here it's worse than that because of the way the jury was selected from the get-go. we can't be confident that these jurors are who we want them to be, which is people who come in without biases, blank slate, and they'll decide this on what they heard in the courtroom. >> they are now deliberating as we speak. thank you both very much. appreciate it. i want to turn now to another trial we are following closely. testimony is resuming this morning in the trial of three men accused of killing ahmaud arbery in south georgia. the prosecution is calling its latest witness, the medical examiner, who is i believe testifying as we speak. just yesterday, the judge denied the defense's request for a mistrial and also publicly denounced one of the attorneys' xhnts objecting to black pastors being allowed in the courtroom. cnn's martin savidge is live outside the courthouse there. >> reporter: hey, kate. it looked like yesterday this
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trial would come to an abrupt and ugly ending with the mistrial motion filed by the defense attorney. he's been complaining now for several days, actually over a period of almost a week, about black pastors in the courtroom. these are pastors that have come to support the family of ahmaud arbery, in particular ahmaud's mother. here is some of that debate yesterday. you'll hear an angry judge that fires back at this defense attorney. listen. >> what we have now with individual members or individuals coming into the courtroom, i will say that is directly in response, mr. goff, to statements you made, which i find reprehensible. the colonel sanders statement you made last week i would suggest may be something that has influenced what is going on here. >> reporter: so essentially the judge, in rebuking the attorney there, is saying, look, this is a problem you created with your
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own mouth, your own words. and the judge agreed that the language that this defense attorney has used at times was, as you heard, reprehensible. on the stand right now is the medical examiner. this is a critical witness here. he's already said a number of things describing the severe wounds caused to ahmaud arbery by three shotgun blasts. he actually said that two struck ahmaud arbery. he also said that no matter what life saving measures police attempted on the scene, ahmaud arbery would have died anyway. more to come. >> martin, thank you. coming up for us this hour, polish forces aiming tear gas and water cannons at migrants as violence e rumtdrupts at the bo. we're live at the scene next. rod knows how to handle dry weather... ...and d dry, cracked skin. new gold bond advanced healing ointment. restore healthy skin, with no sticky feeling. gold bond. champion your skin.
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belarus. a migrant crisis is escalating by the day with thousands of people essentially trapped now in the middle of this in freezing conditions. matthew joins me live once again from the belarus side of the board with more on this breaking news. what's happening now? >> reporter: kate, the situation has calmed down considerably because it's nighttime now, as you can see. it's getting freezing cold. we're just trying to keep warm by this fire along with these other migrants that have come here into this sort of tent camp very close to the polish lsh belarus border. the scenes earlier today were dramatic, violent, and we witnessed them first hand, of course. you can see over here, there's a big spotlight being shown now from the polish side across the razor wire that is separating these migrants who desperately want to go into the european union from poland, which is, of course, part of the european union.
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they didn't allow that to happen. they pushed back hard on those migrants trying to get through, and there were scenes of anger as stones were thrown and water cannon were fired to push the crowds back. the majority, the worst of the violence, took place right here in this place behind me, the main gate from belarus into poland, where we saw these incredible images of young migrant men, predominantly men, smashing stones on the ground into smaller rocks and then throwing them, hurling them at the polish forces. this is a crisis alleged by the u.s. and the europeans has been orchestrated by the belarusian authorities to create a humanitarian crisis on their border. the belarusians, of course, deny that. but, you know, the violence that we saw earlier today really was the first sign that we've seen that this crisis has been
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spiraling out of control. you know, there have been developments tonight as well, because the belarusian border agencies say that they started the process of clearing these camps out, of moving people back into belarus, away from the border, away from the confrontation zone, if you like, with the poles, and have started to put them into a processing center where we're told they'll be given medical care, food. it's inside, in a building, so that's a massive upgrade from the situation these desperate conditions people have been living in. a decision will be taken, we're told, by the belarusian border officials we've been speaking to on whether to deport them or not. some of them i've spoken to do want to go back to their home country. the majority of people here are from iraq, from kurdistan. i spoke with lots of them. they say, look, we've had enough, we want to go back. there's also people here that don't. they're still determined, even after the scenes of
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confrontation earlier today, and the determined response of the poles that have made it clear they are not letting people in, they're still saying that they want to stay here and try again to get into the european union, kate. >> considering the conditions, something has to give, at least it seems. thank you, matthew, for your continued reporting. thank you so much. still to come for us, a healthy debate, yet it comes with a pretty clear warning. president biden and china's president meet for a virtual summit going late into the night. so what is the impact today? it's the ultimate sleep number event on the sleep number 360 smart bed. it senses your movements and automatically adjusts to relieve pressure points. and its temperature balancing so you both sleep just right. save 50% on the new sleep number 360® limited edition smart bed. plus, 0% interest for 24 months. only for a limited time.
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like playing with fire. whoever plays with fire will get burnt. jeremy diamond is at the white house joining us at this hour. what are you hearing about that from the white house today? >> reporter: well, kate, no response from the white house tho to those comments from the chinese ministry of foreign affairs but senior officials saying they believe there was a healthy debate based on this long-standing relationship that president biden and xi jinping have had over more than a decade going back to president biden's time as vice president under president obama. we know that they discussed issues of disagreement such as trade issues, for example, human rights concerns that president biden raised as it relates to issues in hong kong and more. we also know that they discussed areas of potential cooperation like on the climate crisis, for example, facing the world, talking about the importance of collaboration on that front. but one thing that president biden made very clear, and this was during the beginning portion
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of this 3 1/2-hour meeting when reporters were allowed into the room here at the white house, president biden talking about the importance of making sure that this -- these challenges that -- this competition, rather, does not devolve into conflict. listen. >> it is our responsibility as leaders that it doesn't go into conflict intended or unintended. our bilateral relationship involved. seems to me it will have a profound impact on our countries and the rest of the world. >> and so now the question is how will that work moving forward? president biden talked about the importance of setting up guardrails in this relationship and particularly on the issue of taiwan, which has become so fiercely competitive. jake sullivan, the national security adviser, saying this morning that white house officials and chinese officials
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will going forward have more conversations to try and establish exactly what those guardrails will be. kate? >> good to see you, jeremy. thank you so much. joining me for more on this is gordon chang, columnist for "the daily beast." it's great to see you, gordon. a healthy debate and no major breakthroughs, though. what do you see as, you know, what this meeting really was in the end? >> well, this meeting was to establish the guardrails as they said, but we have tried this approach. we've had intensive diplomacy with china for three decades and their behavior has only gotten worse. we need to go beyond guardrails and put costs on behavior that is unacceptable and in some cases malicious. there needs to be a rethinking of the assumptions that have driven u.s./china relations. >> this warning about taiwan. i wanted to know what you think xi is actually warning because, you know, should that and will this don't play with fire or
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you'll get burned, should that change anything about u.s. policy on taiwan right now? >> well, u.s. policy on taiwan has worked. it's one of strategic ambiguity, but it worked in a benign period. now we are not in such a period. i think president biden needs to do what he said on october 21st at the cnn town hall, and that is make a clear declaration that we will defend taiwan. if we do that, the chinese will not invade. the chinese have been very clear about what they want to do. it's committing an act of aggression. and also we have heard about plans on the part of the people's liberation army to actually start seizing some of taiwan's outlying islands. >> yeah. after the cnn town hall, the white house took pains to clarify and walk back a little bit of what the president was saying there on taiwan. you mentioned the guardrails, as we heard president biden talking about. i was also struck, gordon, by a readout from a senior biden
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administration official to cnn after the summit saying this -- "i don't think the purpose was partic particularly tensions or that was the result. we want to make sure that competition is responsibly managed, that we have ways to do that." i'm curious, what could be the distinction here when china is more than a competitor? it is an adversary. >> they've gone beyond that. a publication in china declared a quote/unquote people's war on america. so this is more than just competition. but we're the far stronger society, kate, so we can deter china, but we can only deter china if we understand the nature of this existential struggle that we are in. >> when it comes to world leaders, a lot of these meetings -- it's really about personal relationships. and joe biden ran on his personal relationships that he
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has with many world leaders, which is why i found it very interesting at the top of his remarks at the g-7, i'm very happy to see my old friend, because the white house kind of took -- took pains pushing back on that term. the press secretary saying even before the summit that biden does not consider president xi an old friend. what is going on here with this? >> well, i think that the chinese leader thinks that americans will be swayed by this notion that personal relations can sway china's calculation of its interest, and president biden correctly has said no, it's not. biden is correct on this because the chinese are ruthlessly prag pragmatic, and even gestures of friendship, words of friendship, are taken as signs of weakness and they press the advantage. we have seen this consistently throughout these three decades. so i'm glad that the president said no, no, i'm not buying into this line of narrative. >> i almost wondered if
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president xi was trolling him a little bit by throwing it out there at the top. that's for the next summit. good to see you, gordon. thank you very much. >> thank you, kate. coming up for us, president biden is heading out on the road to try and promote the newly signed infrastructure law and sell that to the american people. i'll talk with a member of congress who was there for that signing, next. [upbeat music]
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any minute now president biden will be heading to new hampshire to promote the infrastructure law. he signed it yesterday in a big ceremony, as you can see in the video, surrounded by both democrats and republicans in a bipartisan show of force. >> despite the cynics, democrats and republicans can come together and deliver results. we can do this. we can deliver real results to real people. >> joining me now, democratic congressman alissa slacken from michigan. thanks for being here. this infrastructure now law is something you have been pushing for for months. it is supposed to be the first step of two.
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and i've just been wondering if this law alone without the bigger social spending bill, is this enough for your district? is it enough to prove to people in your district that joe biden, the democratic party, can get things done? >> well, listen, i mean, no one living has seen the amount of money invested in infrastructure that we just saw signed into law yesterday. obviously, it's got to get down to states and the local level, but i think it will be transformative. in a place like michigan, whether you're a democrat or republican, it's a huge deal. i had the mayors of my two biggest cities there, one democrat, one republican. everyone likes infrastructure dollars because we need generational investment. i don't think the average person thinks about what that money is going to do for any one president. i think that they know that their bridges aren't going to crumble and there's what they're focused on. for me, it did feel like a rare moment in government sitting on the white house lawn with democrats and republicans together, like, this is how it's supposed to work. i think that's important for
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people to see right now. >> the unanswerable question is how do you extend that beyond something like roads, bridges, like hard infrastructure that everyone needs, right? because as you noted, your district is a picture of america right now. you're a democrat. trump has won in your district twice. and as you mentioned, you're taking pictures with the republican and democratic mayors of the two biggest cities of your school district while at the white house. that is not how most politics look today. what is your message in that? is there something that -- can this be more than just one time? >> yeah, and i think actually the message is, like, that's how most americans want their government to work. you know, we hear from the extremes on both sides most often in the media, but the average person just wants their government to function and allow them to dwell and their kids to do better. it's not rocket science. i think what you need to do is take the good faith that came
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out of the negotiations on the infrastructure bill and now take it to the next set of issues. there's a bunch of them. there's a bunch of issues where we have i don't ever lap. you have to have faith in the other side that they're negotiating in good faith. i think we have some money in the bank now from the infrastructure bill, and we have to take it to other issues. >> the trust deficit i think is a real thing because it's something that we talk about even on the democratic side, so when you're working across the aisle, it's real as well. you mentioned rocket science. leaning on your intelligence background, i want to ask you about this. it was wild news to me about russia's missile test in space yesterday, hitting one of their own satellites, but creating this debris field that endangered the international space station and crews on board. >> it's deeply irresponsible. you had astronauts and cosmonauts who had to take cover and emergency procedures because of space junk flying at them or potentially flying at them.
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look, it's not difficult to understand. russia wanted to demonstrate on an international basis that they are a player, that they can compete in space, that the next frontier of, you know, militarization, they're in that game. i think that's dangerous. obviously, they put lives at risk by having that amount of, you know, activity up in space, but in general, it's not a great thing they feel they need to demonstrate their capability like that in a way that threatens people. >> absolutely. you know, something that you're also passionate about is afghan refugees. the pentagon just yesterday -- said yesterday that 46,000 afghan refugees remain at u.s. military bases in the u.s. right now. you recently returned from albania, where you were traveling there. you met with some afghan refugees but you also thanked officials for helping your team get afghan refugees resettled there. this entire effort with the
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american withdrawal, getting refugees out, there is success, but it has also been a failure. how do -- how does the administration get it right now? >> well, i think first and foremost they have to live up to the commitments they made to many of these afghans who risked their lives to help us. you know, one of the ways i think a lot of veterans, a lot of people who care about what went on in afghanistan have been putting their passion to work is by trying to help people who helped us, who worked for military, who worked for state department and who risked their lives and the lives of their families. we need to make good on that commitment. they need to be thoroughly vetted that's what's happening at the bases right now. if they pass that vetting, they need to be given an opportunity to come to the united states, to live in the united states and become productive american citizens. i think that's first and foremost how we mitigate the withdrawal. no one was happy with how that looked. no one was happy with how that went.
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and i think that, you know, the other thing that will be critically important is we can't allow that place again to become a hotbed of international terrorism. >> i was just going to ask about that, because let's just focus in on women and girls still in afghanistan as well, the commitment that the united states made 20 years ago in going in that they were going to improve the lives of women and girls. do you trust the administration can hold the taliban accountable at this point? that's not even talking about it becoming a home for terrorism again. >> yeah. it was really interesting. when i was in albania, i was there with a republican senator, and she was saying, you know -- she was noting that every single female senator, democrat and republican, had written to the white house saying you need a plan, an action plan, to protect women and girls in afghanistan. i think, you know, the way that you help protect people and make sure human rights aren't completely violated every single day is you have a really sophisticated diplomatic plan that holds them accountable. if the taliban want to go
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shopping in dubai, if they want to come to the u.n., be treated like a real government, they have to act like one and respect the rights of all of their citizens. i think that's harder because we don't have an embassy there so it's harder to carry that out. i see those negotiations going on. we have to hope and keep the administration accountable that they play that out. women and girls are one thing, but international terrorism is the one that's the strategic threat, and that's where we've done a lot more work on the house armed services committee. >> absolutely. great to see you, congresswoman. thank you very much. >> thank you. coming up for us, could some widely available and used drugs be a new weapon in the fight against covid? a new study says antidepressants are showing big promise. that's next.
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now let's turn to the pandemic where a new study finds commonly prescribed anti-depressants may actually lower the risk of dying from coronavirus. researchers report that patients taking the drug often sold under the name prozac were 28% less likely to die from covid and patients taking another related drug sold under the brand name luvox used to treat obsessive compulsive disorder were 26% less likely to die from coronavirus. fascinating, and raising many questions. joining me now is one of the
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authors of this study, and the associate professor of pediatrics at the university of california san francisco. doctor, thank you for being here. can you talk me through what you found here. >> of course. thank you for having me. so we carried out a retrospective study of electronic medical records or clinical data. the group has aggregated clinical data across 87 centers, and they identified it for research purposes, and all of this data covers about 500,000 patients with covid-19 which provides an amazing opportunity to ask about new hypotheses. we looked at lower risk and mortality as an outcome. patients taking prozac are 28%
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or almost a third less likely to die from covid-19. >> what's promises here is that these drugs are readily available and relatively cheap. that's wonderful to think about, but the people that you were looking at. they weren't taking these drugs as a treatment once they get covid, of course. they were already on the anti-depressants as i understand it. what do you think that means? >> exactly. so this means that these drugs probably have some off-targeted effect that might have an impact on treating covid. we don't know what their mechanisms are. there are some theories out there, but a lot more work needs to be done to investigate this further. what we can see from the data retrospectively is a pattern and we can use the data to test the patterns here. >> you need more research, of course, but what do you think it could be about anti-depressants that's having this good impact
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as it relates to covid? >> so serotonin is a hormone that we know stabilizes our mood and feelings of well-being, happiness. we know that there might be or we high pott size there might be relation between the two. there might be site kind that might be involved in disease activity or it may be affecting a receptor called signal one. maybe these drugs might have an effect and, of course, a lot more work needs to be done. >> a lot more work. honestly, i saw this and i said, you know what. we should take positive news where we can get it when it comes to the fight against covid and such readily available drugs that have been vetted for so many years, it's a great thing to see some promise and some potential in it and such a huge
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amount of research and data that you guys have put together. doctor, thank you for your time. look forward to seeing much more research being done here. >> great. thank you so much. thank you. there's also some more encouraging news as it relates to the pandemic. the big crowds, they will be back in times square this new year's eve. new york city's mayor bill de blasio, he just announced that revelers will be able to watch the famous ball drop in person but only if they show proof of vaccination and photo i.d. that was from the announcement this morning. last year the pandemic, of course, forced the city to close the area to the public. another sign of getting back to normal. they have never made those things sound any better. >> in other health news, scientists have identified a woman whose open immune system appears to have cured her of hiv, the virus that's caused aids. this is only the second documented case of this happening. the woman is from argentina. 30 years old and was diagnosed with the virus eight years ago. she no longer shows signs of
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active infection and has no sign of an intact virus in her body. last year she gave birth to a healthy hiv-negative child and some 38 million people are living with hiv around the world right now. just amazing. all right. president biden is now, right now, we're going to show you some pictures. president biden -- just listening into the questions. >> tell me about your meeting with president xi. >> president biden heading to joint base andrews for new hampshire. john king with "inside politics" right after this break. thanks for joining me, everybody. what's strong with me? what's strong with me? with me! with me! what's strong with me?
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