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responsibility to fight crime. nobody asked him to do that. nobody gave him the right. nobody deputized him. ryan balch says the police told me the crowds, we're going fo push them down by you. you're going to deal with them. the bear cats hand out water and tell him he's appreciated. they warn him about people throwing rocks. what is the message the defendant takes from all of this? the wrong message. oh, well, now i've got the power. i've got the gun. i'm going to go confront these bad guys. i'm going to stick my nose in things. so what does he do when he gets down to 63rd street, the first thing he does, we showed it to you at the very beginning, the drone video, grabs that gun and points it at someone to protect property. points it at the zaminsky's, why, because they're about to mess with a fire. they're not threatening anybody's lives. he doesn't need to protect
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anyone. he doesn't need to protect himself. he's pointing a gun because he thinks he needs to protect property. he wants to put out a fire but the first thing he does is drop the fire extinguisher on the ground. his ar-15 isn't going to put out a fire. why is he really there? with and we all agree you can't use or threaten deadly force to protect someone else's property. you are here to decide whether or not his actions are legally justified, not to buy pathetic excuses that might be given to you. as a teacher when a student says to you, the dog ate my homework. that's an excuse. it doesn't get you out of the homework assignment. if you panic in a situation, that is not reasonable. that is an excuse. it is not a legal justification. if you're 17, if you don't have training or experience, if you put yourself in a situation where you're in over your head, if you're scared, those are excuses.
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those are not legal justifications to kill. they do not erase your personal responsibility for your own actions. the court has read to you the instructions in this case. they lay out the law that you should apply. that reading took a long time and i understand there was a lot to digest, and one of the things that you will have the opportunity to do when you go back and deliberate is read through those instructions yourselves. because i get that listening to them doesn't always make it clear. but i encourage you to focus on some things when you consider the defendant's behavior in this case. you are told that criminal -- criminally reckless conduct is conduct that threatens other people's lives and poses an unreasonable and substantial risk to other people. there is no dispute the defendant's activities here
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threatened other people's lives. he took two lives. this is not like a normal murder case. a lot of murder cases we're in here trying to convince the jury the defendant killed somebody. that's not in dispute here. that's the easy part. the question is does he get a pass. do we think that's okay. do we think what he did was right? that's the question you have to answer. and when you consider whether his conduct was criminally reckless, consider does d it pose an unreasonable and substantial threat to the safety of others? count four, charges him with first-degree intentional homicide of anthony huber. there's no doubt the defendant intended to kill anthony huber or committed conduct that he knew was practically certain to kill anthony huber. that gun was pointed at anthony huber's lower left rib cage and the defendant pulled the trigger, that is no accident. when you do that with an ar-15 against somebody's body, it is
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practically certain to kill. we all know this case comes down to self-defense. but there's a high bar for using deadly force in a self-defense situation. the law says that the defendant may intentionally use force, which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm, only if the defendant reasonably believed that the force was necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself. so did joseph rosenbaum pose an imminent threat of death or great bodily harm to the defendant? no way. did anthony huber pose an imminent threat of great bodily harm to the defendant, absolutely not. did jump kick man or gaige grosskreutz, no, none of these
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posed an imminent threat to life or to cause great bodily harm. the standard when you make this decision is what a person of ordinary intelligence and prudence would have believed in the defendant's position under the circumstances that existed at the time of the alleged offense. the reasonableness of the defendant's beliefs must be determined from the standpoint of the defendant at the time of the defendant's acts and not from the viewpoint of the jury now. so put yourself in the defendant's position. would you have done the same thing? would a reasonable person have done the same thing? would you have engaged in the reckless conduct that led to this course of events. would you have gone out after cu curfew with an ar-15 looking for trouble. would you have tried to use the gun to protect an empty car lot? no reasonable person would have done these things. the court is also instructed you on provocation.
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you cannot hide behind self-defense, if you provoked the incident. if you created the danger, you forfeited the right to self-defense, by bringing that gun, aiming at people, threatening people's lives, the defendant provoked everything. and if he does that, he has to exhaust all reasonable means to avoid a confrontation. all reasonable means. so if joseph rosenbaum is running at him, joseph rosenbaum is no threat to his life, and not only is the defendant expected to run, he's expected to yell, push, shove that rag doll around, run back for help, call 911, call for help, do all sorts of other things besides just turn and fire four shots. as joseph rosenbaum falls helpless to the ground.
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ladies and gentlemen, there is no doubt in this case that the defendant committed these crimes. he committed a first-degree reckless homicide against joseph rosenbaum. he put ritchie mcginniss's life in jeopardy. he put jump kick man's life in jeopardy. he intended to kill anthony huber, and he attempted to kill gaij crosge grosskreutz, all of elements are true. the question is whether or not you believe that his actions were legally justified. and i submit to you that no reasonable person would have done what the defendant did. and that makes your decision easy. he's guilty of all counts. thank you. >> thank you. let's take a break and about 2:25, hopefully, and please don't talk about the case, read, watch or listen to any account
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of the trial. you've been listening to the closing arguments from the assistant d.a. in kenosha, making his case, putsingting ky rittenhouse as an active shooter, on a break for lunch of an hour and 50 minutes, he has the balance of two and a half hours for rebuttal after he hear the defense closing argument. let's bring in ellieie honig. and sarah zare, criminal defense attorney as well. elie first to you, we discussed the narrative that was not part of the cross-examination of kyle rittenhouse. was this a better performance from this prosecutor? >> i think that was a solid workman like effort that we just
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saw from the prosecutor. his whole presentation boils down to two main themes. one, he went looking for trouble. kyle rittenhouse went looking for trouble, translated into legalese, that's what we're calling provocation. if he put in a situation that would likely bring an attack, part two, he went too far. he used force that was not equal to the situation. he was not facing risk of death or serious bodily injury, and in return, he used lethal force so that's really what the prosecution's case boils down to, he went looking for trouble, and he went too far. >> alexis, even before he used lethal force, the prosecutor ticked through the things, the bad judgment, basically, that got him there. he wasn't supposed to be there. he didn't live there. he didn't live in that state. there was a curfew. he crossed the police line. he wasn't supposed to have that ar-15. he didn't have a connection to the business that he claimed that he was protecting.
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his victims were unarmed for the most part, except for the person whose arm he shot. so what about all of that. does that count or self-defense? >> thank you, alisyn. it's really about shaping a narrative here, and what the prosecution was able to do was use the weak end to tie up all of their loose ends, and right now, the state doesn't want to alienate people who believe in second amendment gun possession rights, and so in their initial framing, it was that rittenhouse did not have, wasn't from the community. he wasn't protecting his own family. he wasn't protecting his own property. this is signaling to people that the state of wisconsin promotes gun possession and gun rights, but in this instance, someone from outside, using disproportional force as elie was saying, and did not have the law on his side when he shot and killed two people. >> and sarah, we heard from thomas binger speaking to the
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jury, you remember that night, i remember that night. none of us came out looking for that. we stayed at home. anybody who was out at that hour was looking for that fight. your first thoughts on what we heard from the assistant district attorney there. >> yeah, victor, so, you know, follow up to what elie said, provocation was all over the summation, and we really saw how important this instruction is in a case where self-defense is the defense. what i'll say, though, is much of what the d.a. argued, the same set of facts are going to be spun by the defense in rittenhouse's favor. for example, the idea that none of these men, or rosenbaum, for example, and huber had a weapon. it doesn't matter. a skate board is a deadly weapon in the course of an assault. the fact that he argued, for example, the context of that night, the chaos, and yet said there was a reasonable way for rittenhouse to escape, as
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opposed to respond by shooting, the defense will argue that that same chaos, that same context what caused rittenhouse to run away and act the way that he did. he didn't run away because of ut utter disregard after having shot two people, he ran away to save his own life. the same set of facts are going to work more in the defense's favor than they do in the prosecution's favor, and one other thing i would like to say is the idea of credibility, which is a huge issue, right, the defense really turns on rilter rittenhouse's testimony, primarily. what the prosecution is saying if he lied then, he's lying now. even if you do believe that it was reasonable for someone to respond in this way, and the force was proportional to the threat that was proposed, he's not telling you the truth. he's lied multiple times to multiple people. going through the video frame by frame, some of what he said was not true, that he lied to the
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police, that he really put the crowd in danger by lying and not saying there's an active shooter among the crowd, and that's another form of provocation of the entire crowd, not just the people that he shot. so i think the prosecutor did the best he could given that he was really boxed in by this judge. but we saw how the provocation instruction was so critical for the state,s and i'm curious to see what the defense will do. >> yes, we all are. let's bring in cnn's shimon prokupecz, here's in the courtroom in kenosha for us. wow, that was quite a, from our point of view, compelling presentation but it did include very graphic, hard to watch video. and photos, so what was the reaction of the jury during all of this. >> reporter: certainly the photo of the wound that gaige grosskreutz suffered, there was
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visual reaction from the jury during the display of that. the prosecutors saying it's important for them to see this, don't turn away because this is what an ar-15 style rifle can do. i can tell you from being in the courtroom this afternoon, the jurors are engaged. they're listening to the prosecutor, what he's doing that's really effective, i think, are these bullet point, what some of the jurors are doing is they are leaning forward, looking over up at the screen, the monitors, and they're actually reading the bullet points as he's speaking, so it's kind of reinforcing what the prosecutor is saying but they are all engaged. they are all listening. some of them are leaning forward, as he speaks, and when you think about some of the hits the prosecutor has taken, it seems like he's doing an effective job, compelling job going through the evidence.
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the courtroom is more packed than it has been before. there's a line to get into the courtroom. that wasn't the case for the two weeks that we've been here. and a lot of community people are in there watching. it's going to be interesting to see how they view the case comi coming out from listening to the prosecutor. now it's the defense attorney's chance, and we'll see how the jurors react to that. the key here is there's always a concern, especially after lunch that jurors are going to kind of, you know, start nodding off. i didn't see any of that. they seemed to be really paying attention to what the prosecutor was saying. the other thing i want to bring out that i thought was effective with the prosecutors. he made a line about who came here that night. what kind of people would come here the night of the demonstration and the riots and looting. most of us stayed home. he's talking to jurors as members of the community. in our community people were scared, and that's a total dig at kyle rittenhouse because he's
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not from this community. there was a reaction from one of the jurors during a power point, one of the presentations that the prosecutor was making, he referred to the defendant as a fraud, a fraud meaning that he was claiming a medic, but he referred to rittenhouse as a fraud, and i can see one of the jurors like raise his eyes as the prosecutor was saying that, so i thought that was really interesting. but really the prosecutor going after kyle rittenhouse showing no sympathy towards him and laying out a really compelling argument to the jurors for why they should convict him. >> what about that, elie, this lie as it was that he said he was a medic, he was not a medic. the prosecutor played that portion of the video where he's running away from rosenbaum there after he shot him, and says he pulled a gun, and rosenbaum didn't have a gun. what's the value of that to the jury? >> the prosecutor is going to
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show consciousness of guilt, that rittenhouse knew he had done something wrong, that's why you lie. the over thing is this provocation point, he was a fraud as a medic, i'm here to protect property and tend to wounds was a cover for someone who wanted to get into the action. i want to say, a very important thing for our view ers. i have been in this position, i closed as a prosecutor, that went great, you got ho hear from the defense. the prosecutor is going to come back on rebuttal. beyond a reasonable doubt. the burden of proof always sits with the prosecution, including in self-defense cases. if this is, gee, it's a close call, that's going to be not guilty. the prosecution has to prove he did not act reasonably beyond a reasonable doubt. >> just give us the larger big picture view, do you think right now, and i know we have to hear from the other side that the prosecution has proved, has the prosecutor made the case that
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rittenh rittenhouse caused first-degree intentional homicide. >> the top charge is going to be difficult. that's why we an agreement, the jury can include lesser defenses. i know for most people the preparation instructions are quite boring, but i think we all nerded out on them. rittenhouse does not have a claim of self-defense -- that's a significant amount of time. even if state is not able to get the top charge of first-degree intentional homicide, if perhaps second-degree, if perhaps reckless endangerment to mcginniss and this unnamed, i think they're calling him drop kick man. those are still serious charges that carry serious prison time, and so i think the state has made out as best of a case as they can, and it will be interesting to see what sort of
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ar arts when self-defense vis-a-vis mcginniss is off the table. >> the 6th charge, the only misdemeanor being dropped this morning and the judge saying that to the jury. >> that's so hard for me to hear because so many people are convicted and are serving upwards of 15 years for mere possession, not even use of a firearm, and when you have people -- and i'm speaking mostly of black and brown people, and they're incarcerated for mere possession, and you have this person who shot and killed two people and injured a third. and so this idea that now that gun possession charge is off the table because of a wonky way that wisconsin statute states the length of a baffle is not unlawful for a 17-year-old, i understand legally, technically, but i was upset with that outcome. >> that was a disaster for the prosecution to have that charge thrown out in two respects. number one, it was their easiest conviction, he had a gun, he was under 17. it didn't meet the elements of
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wisconsin law. the other problem is the jury knew there were six counts and today the judge says, there's just five now. they can do the math. they know it was something the prosecution did wrong. that was a major mistake by the prosecution. alexis hug, elie honig, thank you for walking us through. now we are moments away from president biden signing his landmark bipartisan infrastructure bill entinto law. we're going to go to the white house for the rare bipartisan meeting. as you can see, the ceremony is about to begin. we'll bring it to you live. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ ♪
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live pictures now at the white house. any moment now, president biden will celebrate a major legislative win and sign the bipartisan $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill into law. this is a rare show of bipartisanship. lawmakers from both sides of the aisle are there at the ceremony today. >> but this historic legislation comes as record inflation throws the rest of president biden's economic agenda into some jeopardy, and new poll numbers indicate his approval rating continues to be under water. joining us now, we have kaitlan collins, manu raju is on capitol hill. also with us, cnn chief
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political analyst gloria borger, and cnn political commentator david axelrod. i don't know, you guys, we're prepared for anything, whatever happens with all of you guys here. kat let's first talk about what president biden hopes to accomplish with in show today because i have a few excerpts from the speech he's going to make, and he's going to say i ran for president because the only way to move our country forward is through compromise and consensus. that's basically his mission statement, and this is, i think, exhibit a of it. >> yeah, i think that's also what the president is going to get across in the signing ceremony today, this is much more to the white house than roads and bridges. of course there's a lot for that. the president is saying this is what he is proving on the campaign trail. democracy can work, and democrats and republicans can come together. that is what the signing ceremony the white house believes is proof of, given of
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course this was a bill that was passed with both dremocrats and republicans. that is what the president will say, signing this bill into law. we know that's the message the white house wants to push here. there are questions whether or not you'll see a signing ceremony where there are also republicans present. the president is going to talk about the implementation of the bill. you see former new orleans mayor, mitch landrieu here, he is the official tasked with overseeing the implementation of the trillion dollar bill. when this goes into law, it is a historic investment in the nation's infrastructure because it's not only got tens of billions of dollars to fix those ageing roads and highways and bridges that you see throughout the nation and that president biden will travel to later this week but it's also investments in boosting internet access and clean drinking water, and modernizing public transit, updating airports throughout the nation. that is going to take time for all of that to get implemented
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into place. those are lengthy projects. the white house wants to focus on selling this, so they can potentially boost the low poll numbers you have seen of president biden's lately. and just to talk about the implementation of it, we have heard from transportation secretary pete buttigieg and the commerce secretary gina, their departments will have to hire hundreds of people to put the bill into law. it is that big, that large of an investment. that's what you'll see play out over the next several months. today the president wants to focus on getting this passed and getting it passed with republican support. >> david, now president biden has a vfd moment of his own. >> yes indeed. >> we remember that reference after the passage of the affordable care act. just 30,000 foot view they've got the big rollout here, all of the state flags beautiful ceremony, and what this means
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for this administration particularly at this time. >> it is a bfd moment, in part because if you think back to the spring, a lot of democrats were saying why are you wasting time, you will never get an agreement with republicans, and there were times it seemed he wouldn't get a deal with republicans, and he persisted. >> david, hold that thought for one moment, we want to listen to senator kyrsten sinema on this. >> to cleaner water, to faster internet in more places. our plan will create millions of jobs and make our country stronger, safer, and more globally competitive without raising taxes on every day americans. you may have heard less about new policies in our bill that do not grab the same media attention but will make a big difference. states like arizona that are confronting historic drought will see billions of dollars to strengthen water systems throughout the american west. communities will see historic investments to prevent and recover from wildfires.
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land ports of entry, key national security infrastructure and commercial hubs will see major upgrades, and our bill makes significant investments in tribal communities infrastructure including all necessary funding to complete authorized indian water rights settlements. beyond historic financial resources our plan includes a significant update of transportation policy from strengthening public transit in mid-sized communities to new technologies preventing impaired driving. to new federal positions to raise the voices of tribal communities and infrastructure policy. our legislation represents the subst substantiative policy changes that some have said are no longer possible in today's senate. how many times have we heard that bipartisanship isn't possible anymore or that important policy can only happen on a party line.
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our legislation proves the opposite. and the senators who negotiated this legislation show how to get things done. the senators in our group of ten effectively represented the needs of the regions we represent. the senator cassidy in the deep south, senator warner in the mid atlantic, senator manchin in appalachia, and senators romney and tester in the west. and the northeast and alaska, each with unique needs, were ably represented be senators sheheen, collins, and murkowski, the wonder women of our group, always focused on the practical outcomes. and i sincerely thank any partner in coleading this long effort, senator rob portman whose knowledge of the federal budget is matched only by his steadfast commitment to delivering on this priority for
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america. delivering this legislation for the american people, this is what it looks like when elected leaders set aside differences, shut out the noise and focus on delivering results on the issues that matter most to every day americans. i look forward to the work that we will all do together to implement this historic legislation. thank you. >> please welcome senator rob portman. >> thank you very much, and it was great being your partner in this. i have heard you say, in fact, i have heard president biden say this infrastructure bill that will be signed today is going to have a positive impact on every single american, and that's true. this is true today. it will be true for decades to come. and i want to congratulation everyone today for the role you played in making this possible.
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this is what can happen when republicans and democrats decide we're going to work together to get something done. [ applause ] the bipartisan process that resulted in this historic investment began with a meeting about eight months ago with my colleague, senator m sinema whose persistent was key to us being here today. we met with the initial infrastructure plan which included tax increases, and substantial investments in so-called human infrastructure. by removing the tax hikes, and shrinking the package to only fund core infrastructure, we saw an opportunity to find bipartisan consensus on finally fixing our nation's outdated infrastructure, and from there, the group quickly grew to the g 10 negotiators, they were just mentioned but i got to mention
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them again, senators susan clinics, mitt romney, lisa murkowski, bill cassidy, manchin, sand tester. it ultimately grew to 22 senators, evenly divided by party and a partnership with the house problem solvers kcaucus ld by brian fitzgerald and josh gottheimer. give them a round of applause [ applause ]. senator mitch mcconnell to his credit supported our efforts to find a way forward, and eventually lent his critical support. senator shelley moore capito, in her white house discussions and also her committee with senator tom carper. [ applause ] our work was guided by a few simple principles, core infrastructure only, no tax increases and no linkage to the broader partisan reconciliation
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process. instead, we agreed this would be a truly bipartisan process, working from the middle out. not the top down. there were plenty of bumps along the way, but we got there because we were all committed to ultimately delivering a result to the constituents we represent. we also got there because of a lot of smart, hard working staff as usual. i want to commend my team as well as the staff of our g10 members, and i want to commend the white house negotiates, led by steve, and supported by brian deese. every president has proposed major infrastructure improvements, they all have. by making infrastructure a real priority in his administration, president trump furthered the discussion, and helped republicans like me think differently about the positive impact of investment in core infrastructure. and core infrastructure is what this law is all about.
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it's about roads and bridges and rail and transit and ports, and airports, and water systems, electric grid, broad band and more. we've got a major bridge in my hometown, and it's also a major bottleneck, desperately in need of replacing. we have been trying to do it for 25 years. but we haven't been able to pull together the funding and figure out how to do it. this new law finally gives us the tools we need to fix the bridge, and the same is true for major projects all around the country. that's why you see so many of my colleagues here from every region of the country. because they know this is going to help to create more economic efficiency, more productivity, and maybe lessen that commute for their constituents. this long-term investment in our nation's capital assets will grow the economy because of that efficiency, and that productivity. it will create hundreds of thousands of new jobs. it will make us more competitive
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against countries like china who are investing heavily in infrastructure, much more than we have been. maybe most importantly, at a time of surging inflation, these long-term investments are actually going to help. inflation, of course, is caused when demand outstrips supply, and in this case, we're not funding stimulus spending that adds to the demand side, but ports and freight rail, and roads and bridges and other assets that will help on the supply side. that's why economists say this bill is counter inflationary. which is so important right now as american families are facing higher prices on everything from gas to groceries. this new law also includes landmark permitting reforms to reduce time lines for infrastructure projects while maintaining environmental and safety standards. we want taxpayer infrastructure projects to be done as cost effectively as possible, get them done on time, and under budget. this bipartisan support for this
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bill comes because it makes sense for our constituents but the approach from the center out should be the norm, not the exception. the increasing polarization of our country is keeping us from getting things done, and we have a responsibility to do better. the american people want to see us coming together. they know that despite our differences we should be able to figure it out and work together to solve big problems. we can start by recognizing that finding common ground to advance the interests of the american people should be rewarded not attacked. [ applause ] mr. president, in a moment you're going to sign this bill. i will say that you and i will disagree on the tax and spending in the other priority you have, the reconciliation bill, but i think we can both agree that
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this infrastructure investment shouldn't be a one-time bipartisan accomplishment. this should be the beginning of a renewed effort to work together on big issues facing our country. again, i want to thank everybody who's here today for what you did to make this possible. thank you. [ applause ]. >> back here at the white house in this as has been pointed out, rare bipartisan meeting where they are celebrating having signed the bipartisan infrastructure bill that the president is about to sign into law, and we did just hear from republican senator rob portman about what a big difference this is going to make in his community. >> he says there's been a bridge in his community that they have been trying to repair for 25 years. this bill now provides the funding for that. we heard right before senator portman, we heard from moderate democrat kyrsten sinema of arizona. we'll talk about the selection of that senator to speak today in just a moment, but david, we
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interrupted your take on the significance of the moment. i think portman's remarks, even the remarks from senator sinema drive it home that this is funding that the american people will see in action in their communities. >> yeah, you know, i think lost in the sausage making is the fact that this is the largest infrastructure bill we've seen in generations. larger than the interstate highway bill, larger than that i think in the space program combined, and it's long overdue. this country really needs this bill because we're way behind in infrastructure repairs and modernization, so it's really historic from that standpoint and also clearly note worthy because it's so difficult to get republicans and democrats to work together on anything, and sadly, what we saw were 13 republicans in the house supported this bill for the reasons we just said and were attacked by many of their colleagues, and in fact, threatened by people for having
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supported this bill. so that's a measure of where we are now. the question is does this -- what will this do for the president in terms of politics looking forward to 2022. a lot of that will depend on how the economy feels to people at that time. he will have projects that will be underway that he can point to, and if people feel like the economy is moving in the right direction, those projects will help him make the case that we contributed to this momentum. >> we heard there senator sinema make a point of calling out the wonder women of our group, including republicans, senators collins and mur kowski, and yet we also know that there are republicans who support this, and voted for this but didn't want to be seen today. >> right. and, you know, david axelrod just told you why, they didn't think it would be a great photo opportunity for them to be sitting or standing on the lawn
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of the white house with joe biden because of their constituents. and mitch mcconnell, the republican leader decided that while he voted for this bill and good for him and he supported it, he decided that he just didn't have the time to show up today. i think the question as david was raising is what does this do for joe biden here? you know, he gets little credit for all of this. only 31% of the american public believe that he's actually accomplished a lot. and maybe today's, you know, demonstration on the lawn of the white house will show, yes, i actually gave you bipartisanship, which is what i promised i would do. when i was elected president of the united states. i think people may really want to see that. the problem that the democrats have had is that they wasted months in getting this bill because the progressives in the house wanted it tied to that
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other reconciliation package, that big budget package and finally they separated them and got this passed, which is looking back i would argue is something they should have done months ago, and maybe the president, and maybe the democrats would be in better political shape. >> majority leader chuck schumer is speaking now. of course we'll hear from the president in just a moment. we have more excerpts of what we expect to hear from him. he says america is moving again and your life is going to change for the better. the he's got a sales job now to take across the country. one of his biggest criticisms of the obama administration after the 2009 passage of the recovery and reinvestment act was that the administration did not sell what was in that legislation to the american people. they're going to be deploying people across the country to do just that. >> yeah, and listen, we will see how effective that is. just because you've got somebody from the administration coming
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to your neighborhood touting something they've done, do people actually feel it. you heard senator sinema talking about the millions of jobs this bill is going to create. important to note that those are jobs for folks that don't have college degrees, working class folks across this country, so i think that is a way that people will certainly feel t but i do think the sort of larger problem that this administration has is the kind of feeling of anxiety and stress, a lot of americans have about the price of groceries and the price of gas. just because they're going to be these infrastructure projects in different communities, i think the question is do people just sort of look at this and see, oh, there's another construction project going on in my neighborhood or do they see this as something that is really positively impacting their lives and alleviating some of the stressors they have at this point in terms of bills they
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have to pay, in terms of inflation, in terms of getting christmas gifts delivered on time, given all of the problems that the economy is having in this sort of pandemic and post-pandemic era. that is, i think, a real challenge for this administration. it just isn't about messaging. it's about whether people feel it and they can also connect it to biden and the democrats. that's going to be a real test, i think, for democrats going into 2020, and 2022 and beyond into 2024. >> we know the president will use different bridges as his backdrop to try to make that connection, and so manu, we heard from senator rob portman, republican, who said bipartisan words, and i mean, honestly it's so rare to hear bipartisan praise, you know, heaped on each other, that it was notable. but of course he did take a swipe there at the build back better plan, and so where are we
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all of that? >> almost defending the approach that he and the other republican senators and congressmen took in voting for the package, 19 republican senators voted for it. but not all 19 republican senators are there at the ceremony. one of them did not come, of course the senate republican leader mitch mcconnell who is on the floor of the senate at the same time attacking democrats over their larger efforts to expand the social safety net, and 13 republicans in the house voting for it as well, but that is a fraction of the republican conference in the house. what portman was making clear is why he said republicans should have gotten behind it also arguing that donald trump furthered the discussion on infrastructure, pointing to trump's proposal to spend trillions of dollars on infrastructure. of course that never became law, and donald trump tried to lobby republicans to kill this infrastructure bill but arguing, too, rob portman did that this bill would not raise taxes that the white house wanted and also making clear that this was separate from that larger effort
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to expand the social safety net. arguments that he has been making to republicans, and very few of them agreed with that, which is why we saw only a fraction of them particularly in the house vote to move forward. now that this is about to become law in a matter of minutes. then the focus will be on the larger package, the question will be whether people like kyrsten sinema and joe manchin ultimately vote for that bill. we expect a vote in the house this week. nancy pelosi speaking right now before the white house. she is expected to bring that larger bill to the floor this week assuming the congressional budget office comes back with an estimate that shows this bill is essentially fully paid for, which is what the moderates like sinema and manchin have called for and the house moderates have called for. expect that bill if it comes this week to pass narrowly, if the numbers come back, and then the focus will be on those moderates like sinema and manchin. sinema is expected according to her democratic colleagues to vote for the package.
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where will someone like joe manchin come down. he did not answer when i asked if this should be delayed until next year, only saying they should continue to discuss this amid his concerns about inflation, so while they're getting this big victory here, still big questions about the timing, the substance, and ultimately how that larger bill will come out. more negotiations to come, and joe biden's party fall in line, that's the big question going forward. >> we heard from senator sinema there, all 50 democrats in the senate voted for this legislation. they could have picked any one of them to speak at the ceremony today. is it cynical of me to suggest that that is not a coincidence that senator sinema was there on stage? >> you cynical, nah. of course. she's important. they need her. you know, they need her to vote on the build back better. you know, to be fair. she was key in the infrastructure bill, so it is a deserved spot. let's just say that.
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but also, you know, you have to take notice of the fact that she is somebody they are still courting over there in the white house, and they need her for the build back better plan, and so, you know, obviously highlighting her, putting her front and center. i guarantee you the president is going to thank her as well. you know, does not go unremarked upon because it's kind of obvious that, you know, they want to make nice to sinema. >> kaitlan, outside of the politics and all that has gone into making this day happen, you know, if the white house really wants to connect this to regular americans' lives and the bridges in their own backyards, have they been able to give any time line? have they been able to sort of realistically set expectations of when americans will tangibly see the results of this? >> the president himself has said maybe two to three months they could start to see the effects of this, that we know the reality of seeing, the long
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ranging it goes into the process of how this is going to happen where states are going to be applying for grants to get money for certain projects from the transportation department. that process is going to take a long time. as we noted, the transportation department and commerce departments are going to have to staff up significantly. this is a very -- very much a long-term investment. so much of what this will depend on, whether or not what gloria said, voters find out is what you hear from the president himself. he's on his way out. you can hear the music. but he's going to be in new hampshire this week, traveling several times. and the questions of how much he's traveling and his cabinet is traveling trying to sell this and making sure people know. the president will be signing this into law just hours before he meets virtually with the president of china. he said this is a bill he believes will put the u.s. on more competitive footing when it comes to a meeting like that. talking about where the u.s. ranks in the world when it comes to infrastructure.
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that's another avenue the white house is viewing this through, not just how it will help boost the president politically but this is something that past presidents have tried to get done and they failed. so that is what the white house is reveling in right now when it comes to passing this bill. of course, it will remain to be seen if voters reward the president for this and if they boost his political points when it comes to what gloria was talking about, what people think he's gotten done since he's been in office. >> we see president biden, vice president harris now coming out. we expect to hear from the vice president first as she speaks about today's accomplishment. this bipartisan $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill being signed into law. let's listen now to vice president kamala harris. >> please welcome heather kurtenbach. >> in a moment. please have a seat. president joe biden, speaker nancy pelosi, majority leader chuck schumer, cabinet members,
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congress members, governors and mayors. and my fellow americans. this is an historic day. in the middle of the civil war, president abraham lincoln started construction on the transcontinental railroad in the middle of the great depression, president franklin roosevelt finished construction on the hoover dam. president dwight eisenhower signed the national interstate and defense highways act in the middle of the cold war. and today -- and today president joe biden will sign the infrastructure investment and jobs act into law. indeed it is an historic day today. from the very start of our administration, we were determined to follow through. not just on our promise to
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invest in our nation's infrastructure but on the promises that the american people have heard for years now. and we would not be here today were it not for your leadership, mr. president, from the very start you welcomed democrats, independents and republicans to meet with us in the oval office. you welcomed ideas. you welcomed debate. all in the service of getting this bill done. and here is what i know to be true, mr. president. you are equal parts believer and builder. and because you are, we are all better off. on behalf of our nation, thank you, mr. president. [ applause ] and, of course, our administration did not arrive at
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this day by ourselves. we are also here because of leaders in the house and the senate who worked on this bill together, who voted for this bill. and we are here because of the millions of americans who believed that we could get this done. well, we got it done, america. we got it done. in many ways, this day embodies our character as a nation. it demonstrates exactly who we are. we are believers, through and through. we see what can be unburdened by what has been. we are as bold as we are determined to do big things. the infrastructure investment and jobs act proves that. it proves that in america, we have the courage to believe a
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better future is possible and to build it together. after this bill is signed into law, millions more americans will go to work in good paying, good union jobs. americans, like jovon johnson, a carpenter i met in nevada who said that she has, quote, built her career on infrastructure and fed her family on infrastructure. americans like jeff bird, a line design technician i met with in new hampshire. he attaches fiber to utility poles to keep up with the demand for high-speed internet. or leslie kilgore, an engineer i met with in north carolina whose team is building electric school buses. walter cody, a construction inspector with whom i met who is
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working to get clean water to families in california. this will be a nationwide effort. the likes of which we have not seen in a generation. it will make our country more competitive, and it will deliver on our nation's and our administration's commitment to equity. now this bill, as significant as it is, as historic as it is, is part one of two. [ applause ] to lower costs and cut taxes for working families, to tackle the climate crisis at its core, congress must also pass the build back better act. the work of building a more
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perfect union did not end with the railroad or the interstate. and it will not end now. so on this historic day, let us all continue to believe in our people. believe in our country and believe in what we can do when we work together. thank you all. may god bless you, and may god bless america. >> please welcome heather kurtenbach. >> thank you, madam vice president. as a proud union iron worker from local 86 in seattle, washington, i am honored to be here at the white house on this historic day for workers like me and our country. i am an elective leader in my local union as a business agent and active in the sisters committee which mentors newer iron workers. before i got where i am today,
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however, i had to overcome some challenges. in 2005, i was released from incarceration. while incarcerated, i was able to work on a wildland firefighting crew. sometimes heading out in the middle of the night to fight fires. that experience taught me a powerful work ethic and gave me lasting friendships. when i got out of prison, however, doors were closed to me. i searched for a job for six months with no offers. finally as a last-ditch effort, i asked my brother-in-law, a union iron worker how he made a living. he told me go to the union and apply. you can totally do this work. and i'm so glad that i did. i was accepted into -- [ applause ] thank you. yeah. i was accepted into the apprenticeship and went right out to a rebar job. i loved working rods and i fit right into the trade. i graduated from my
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apprenticeship at an uncertain time, the great recession 12 years ago was more of a depression for the construction industry. many of my fellow journeymen, workers, my co-workers, couldn't find work. luckily, the obama/biden administration passed the recovery act that created a vital lifeline of jobs as the economy recovered. yes. just like this infrastructure law will do for workers today. enabling them to rebuild america and take care of their families over the coming years. roads and bridges, rail, transit, airports, water, a whole generation of our nation's infrastructure will be built creating good union jobs for people just like me. it invests in historically disadvantaged communities creating jobs and opportunities for people of every race, gender and background. i am proud to stand here today and represent the most diverse labor movement in history.
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nearly half of my local apprentices are women or people of color. and this law empowers unions to keep building the middle class, leaving no one behind. most of all, i'm proud to stand here as an american in this moment. in our line of work you have to trust one another to get the job done. and throughout this process, i knew i could trust someone to get this law done. someone who understands what workers like me are going through and who always believes in us in what we can do if given a chance. i never imagined in a million years that i would be standing here today. yeah. but that's what's great about america. thank you! [ applause ] thank you. thank you.

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