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tree arrived this morning in new york city. a 79-foot norway spruce weighing 12 tons. it will have more than 50,000 colored lights and topped with a star weighing 900 pounds. we'll see it all lit up during an official lighting ceremony on december 1st. this year's tree came from elkton, maryland. it was donated by a couple who had it standing in their yard for 85 years. can you imagine that? after it was cut down, a sprouting baby tree was immediately planted in the place it once stood. remarkable. can't wait. and you're live in the cnn newsroom. in washington, the january 6 committee wants answers about the insurrection and their power just levelled up. a federal grand jury has
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indicted steve bannon for contempt of congress after he refused to turn over documents. he has an arrest warrant and is expected to turn himself in on monday. this news obviously serious for bannon, but also for others who have been defying subpoenas and have been considering taking bannon's lead. adam schiff issued this warning. let this send a message to all those with knowledge of the attack on our democracy, the days of defying subpoenas are over. we will expose those responsible for january 6. no one is above the law. the only missing thing at this point, there's a lot missing, and at mark meadows, skipped out on a deposition friday just hours before bannon was indicted. evan perez joins me now. what the committee is basically saying about meadows at this point is what we did with steve
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bannon and this is potentially coming for you. >> right. i think the gamble they're making or i think the effort here is that they believe mark meadows is probably going to take a different tack than steve bannon, who you know, i think he feels standing up to this committee and is good for his podcast, his career, mark meadows is a different guy. he's a former member of congress and 30 days in jail may not sound so great to him. so they're hoping he arrives at a different conclusion. we heard a little bit from the committee though about what they believe is missing here. i'll put up a part of what they said yesterday. mr. meadows has failed to answer even the most basic questions including whether he was using a private cell phone to communicate on january 6th and where his text messages from that day are. this is something we saw in the
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russia vinvestigation, the mueller investigation. there were people who the fbi wanted to talk to who has mysteriously thrown away their communications devices or used encrypted or destroyed them. and so some of the answers this committee believes perhaps are hidden that way and maybe will never be found. >> and but people have actually spoken with the committee up until this point. the committee has information. >> there's a lot of information. >> they are gathering. >> they have. and that's part of what's interesting here is that some former trump officials have gone into this committee, including former justice department officials who have painted a very, very dark picture of those key days around january 6th when the president was trying to get the justice department to weigh in on his side, to say that there was fraud in various states. and to set the stage for something bigger on january 6th. for january 6th to have been
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worse, unless those people stood up, but here's a list you see. about three dozens subpoenas have gone out, but in addition to some of the justice department officials, you have some people who voluntarily, including elisa farr, who was a communications official at the white house. but you can see the list right there is a list of people who have essentially formed a wall of silence so far. >> thank you very much. for more on this, i'm joined by former assistant special watergate prosecutor, nick ackerman. thanks for being with us. do you think this indictment will scare these other uncooperative trump allies like mark meadows into playing ball? have they circled the wagons here? >> i think they've circled the wagons. certainly, this indictment is important, but if the goal of the committee is to get people to cooperate, to comply with the subpoenas, provide documents, this is by far not the optimum
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choice they had. the way to get these people to cooperate would be to invoke their civic powers, which is counterintuitive. under the civil contempt powers, they could have sent the sergeant at arms out and the congressional paddy wagon, picked up steve bannon, thrown him in jail and kept him there until he agreed to cooperate. the problem with the current indictment is it's going to go through the regular process of a criminal prosecution. he's going to be arraigned on monday. there's going to be discovery, documents are going to be asked for. the government will turn things over. there's going to be pretrial motions. all of this is going to take time. steve bannon will not see a jail cell for a long time. he's probably going to be given bail under our bail statute. so if the committee really wants to send the right message, they've really got to be using
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this civil contempt proceeding that they have all the right to use. they can bring people in. put them in prison. bring them before the committee. if the person refuses to testify. they can keep them in prison if they refuse to testify because they assert their fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. they have the power to give him immunity. if he then doesn't cooperate, they can still keep him in jail. that is really the hammer they have that they should have used and what concerns me is why didn't they use it? is it because the committee is afraid of political blowback from the trump people? i mean, that's what really concerns me. and it's not just the committee. it's also the department of justice. what we do know from this whole process is that the department of justice has not subpoenaed trump's presidential records. they've indicted over 700 people on the insurrection, for being on the capitol steps on january 6th, but yet they have not asked
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for those documents. >> and you've seen this play out before. i mean, this is right out of the stall and delay playbook, right? that's the name of the game here. for the trump team. >> absolutely. and the criminal prosecution gives them a little more opportunity to pull the old stall and delay tactic. the fact that the department of justice isn't asking for these documents means that they can try and run out the clock until the republicans think they're going to take over congress in the midterms then disban d the committee. then where are we with these documents? still pending motions before the united states supreme court, whereas the department of justice could keep this going and turn it into a criminal investigation. keep min mind, the committee's sole purpose is to recommend legislation and to do things to protect the security of congress. the goal of the department of
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justice is punitive. it's to punish people for what they did. now, clearly, bannon could be punished for what he did. it's certainly not a resume builder under federal indictment. >> i think it is for him. i think he sees it they way. like he's the next nelson mandela. just totally absurd. but that's how he's going to play it up to the public. i spoke with trump's former white house press secretary a short time ago. here's what she said about secret meetings held by trump and the role that meadows played in those meetings. let's listen. >> the president at the time was so paranoid of leaks that a lot of our meetings took place in the residence. number one, so he could keep track of who was in there and if it leaked out, he would try to figure that out, but two, so it was very much kept off the books and documents, anything written down could probably be thrown in the trash where people can't, you know, come and retrieve them
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to put into the archives. so that happened quite a bit. and i'm sure the select committee is aware of that and is looking into that. mark meadows was one towards the end who was definitely helping to plan those meetings. >> it all sounds very nixonian. >> they were trying to cover it up from the get go. that's why it's important to get bannon in there. mark meadows in there and everybody that was connected that war room at the hotel. the idea that there was a war room that was overseeing what was going on at the capitol on january 6th is absolutely chilling. and if there ever was a situation -- >> war on what? a war on us. a war on our democracy. >> exactly. the idea of executive privilege, rubbish. it doesn't apply when you're talking about overthrowing the government in an insurrection.
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it just doesn't apply. it's a red herring. >> i want to ask you about this new audio of trump, i'm sure you've heard it. the former president seems to defend the insurrectionists chanting hang mike pence. again, shocking, not surprising behavior on the part of the former president. >> were you worried about him during that siege? >> no, i thought he was well protected and i heard he was in good shape. >> you heard those chants. that was terrible. >> well, the people were very angry. it's common sense. it's common sense that you're supposed to protect. how can you, if you know a vote is fraudulent, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to congress? >> it sounds like trump was getting updates on what was -- i heard mike pence was okay. who knows if that's true because we had heard that trump was not really keeping tabs on his vice president at the time. but he seems to be volunteering
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some information that he was getting updates on his vice president being chased around the capitol. >> even better. that's an admission that could be used in a criminal trial against donald trump. he's basically admitting to the lie that he's been spreading from day one about having won the election. two, he's not really taking any offense at the idea of people were shouting hang mike pence. then when you couple that, people were trying to pressure him to reject the vote that came through in the electoral college. when you put all that together, you've got a pretty decent case against donald trump, a criminal case. >> why won't they bring a case against him? we were just talking about this in the last hour. >> because i think that the department of justice, it's politics. they think they're getting involved in politics when in fact, this is such a serious issue. the idea -- >> do you think they should? >> they should, absolutely
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should. and at a minimum, they ought to be investigating it. you know they're not because they haven't subpoenaed those records. normally, with a grand jury investigation, you don't know what they're doing. here, we know exactly what they're going because if they had subpoenaed it, they would have had to go through the whole process laid out in the presidential documents act of 1976. or 7. and we would have known about it just like everybody knew about the tape issue with nixon going up to the support. so the question is where is merrick garland? why is he asleep on the job? where is our department of justice that ought to be protecting us and at a minimum, investigating trump's role in this entire matter. even mckonl said after he voted against impeachment the second time
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time, that donald trump is still subject to criminal laws in the united states. >> it's time to get on with it. thank you. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. the judge in the kyle rittenhouse trial, his words and behavior are all making headlines, but could it also influence the verdict? we'll have a former wisconsin state supreme court justice that very question. next. kevin! kevin? kevin. oh nice. kevin, where are you? kevin?!?!? hey, what's going on? i'm right here!
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today -- >> i would not say that. >> as he's been throughout the high profile murder trial of kyle rittenhouse. wisconsin's longest serving circuit judge, he's a known history buff, connecting with a jurors in a game of jeopardy. >> both the 1 and 200 meters in the olympics. >> trying to keep the mood light with jokes that sometimes fail. like this culturally insensitive remarks. >> on one of those boats. >> but doesn't hold back when crossed. >> for me, not for you. you should have come and asked. don't get brazen with me. >> i've been yelled at. if you push the line, you will get him yelling at you. if the judge is yelling at you, you know you're still in the game. you're not going to get a
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mistrial. >> defense attorney john anthony ward said he's argued before the judge hundreds, thousands of times. >> many a defendant have entered a plea bargain thinking they were going to get pro bbation t end up in prison totally to their shock. >> schraeder's every decision has come under intense scrutiny. he has not allowed attorneys to call the three men shot by rittenhouse victims. a long standing rule of this judge that could be described at looters or rioters. but schraeder is no stranger to the spotlight from a high profile 2008 homicide of a woman, the ruling overturned and still being argued today, as schraeder pointed out in court. >> and one of the things idei've read over and over and over again is how i messed up the state against genson case, which is now pending downstairs.
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actually, i had it 100% correct in the first place. >> schraeder was the judge in an unusual condition of parole for a woman convicted of sh shoplifting. he ruled the woman had to tell any stores that she sells goods that she walked into, that she had been convicted of shoplifting, telling her, it's going to embarrass you, of course. earlier this year, the wisconsin court state of appeals disagreed, saiding the ruling falls into the category of shaming. in the rittenhouse trial, where national politics and race are clashing, even the judge's ring tone is being watched. that's god bless the usa by lee greenwood. one of donald trump's rally songs. >> if you try to define judge schraeder on the basis of politics, you're going to get lost. what's important to him is if the person's guilty, that he's found guilty and if he's not
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guilty, then he's found not guilty. >> joining us now to talk about this is judge jeannine. a former circuit court judge in wisconsin, a former state supreme court justice and teaches law at market university. >> the law school. >> terrific law school. this has just been, forgive me, i've watched a lot of court cases, i have never seen a judge behave in this manner. he's folksy and has a weird sense of humor, but so strange to see during a murder trial. what has been your reaction to this? >> well, there are different levels. the point of events two years before him, so i'm old as well, but you know, there are a couple of things going on.
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you know, he has lost his temper. he has not been mindful of the fact that what he says and what he does can impact not only the jurors, but the larger public. it is so important that a court look and be impartial to the independent branch of government. and that people are getting a fair trial. there's going to be a lot of disfd dissatisfaction with the verdict, whatever it is. he really got angry, i think his legal decisions were right. he shouldn't have lost his temper. the judge sets the tone in courtroom and if you lose their temper, people will lose their temper and he was obviously very, very angry. things have d-- whether it's th ring tone, the agent's statement, the applause for a defense witness because he was a veteran. those things really impact
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people's feeling that this is a courtroom that we can have trust in. >> yeah, i mean, he sounds like he's watched too much bill o'reilly. it's supposed to be a courtroom. i know there are cameras. it's sort of an argument against cameras in the courtroom, which i'm a big proponent of. but not if the judge is going to act like archie bunker. >> i'm a proponent of cameras in the courtroom. wisconsin was one of the first states to have cameras. many of my homicide cases were on camera and i think it's important for this case to be on trial. people have to see it and decide whether or not that's what you want in a courtroom. it's been very unfortunate. but i want to add is that my experience with juries is that they will not be impacted by that. they are concentrating on the witnesses, rittenhouse's testimony. the biggest concern is the wider
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perception of whether this is impartial justice. >> yeah. and thursday was veterans day and you alluded to this a few moments ago, the judge asked the courtroom if any one present was a veteran and the only one turned out to be a witness for the defense. let's watch what happened. >> any veterans in the room, on the jury or anywhere else? that's unusual not to have at least somebody in here. dr. black is, what branch? >> army, sir. >> i think we can give a round of applause to the people who have served. >> i mean, we all salute our veterans. so thankful to their sfervice, especially on veterans day, but the jury was asked to applaud a defense witness. >> that broke my heart. this was an important defense witness on use of force. if somebody that they have to decide whether it's a credible witness or not a credible witness, it should not be based
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on anything the judge said about that witness and to me, that was one of the most egregious things he did, which is to have the jury applaud this particular witness before he testified. i was very sore he did that because i think the perception is that it was biased. >> yeah. i want to put the charges up against kyle rittenhouse. on the screen. the judge is expected to tell attorneys today whether he'll allow the jury to consider lesser charges. what do you make of that? >> i think lesser charges are going to be indicated in a number of cases. you know, there's this whole question of self-defense and who initiated and whether the gun of one of the victims was pointed at rittenhouse before he pulled the trigger. that also gives the jury a chance to compromise. it would not surprise me if this jury is a hung jury. they have a very tough decision
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but they could also find lesser includeds. i think they're going to be out for a long time. >> interesting. and kyle rittenhouse' mother gave an interview to fox news this week, let's play a clip from that. >> have you and your son discussed whether or not if we had to do it again, he would go into a situation like that? >> with kyle, i know him. and he probably would do it again because that's the type of person he is. he always wants to help people. even since he was a little boy. that's all he wanted to do was help people. >> what did you think about that? what's that? >> just a little breathtaking. very upsetting. to say that you wound up murdering two people or taking two people's lives and injured someone else and that you would do it again when he didn't have to be there and he didn't have
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to be there with that very serious weapon, you know, it's his mom and i understand she's trying to stand with him, but you'd like to think that he would say i wouldn't do that again. >> right. >> not that it's going to make any difference in this trial. >> but i mean, here's the thing. the jury use not supposed to watch this stuff. what's your experience? >> i am concerned about that. you know, when we first, when i first started trying murders, we used to sequester every first degree murder. that was our common practice and you know, now we've gotten to a point that it's too expen sifr and everything and judges tend not to do it. i think this is a case where they should have been sequestered. there's so much social media and attention and it's hard to tell them to be disconnected. i'm sure they're trying, but what's the likelihood that all 12 that sit in that box have not been exposed to something during this trial. it's pretty remote. i know they'll take the responsibility serious, but there's a risk. if i heard that, i would be
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sticker shock is real. today, california tied its
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all-time record for gas prices. it hit an average of $4.67 a gallon. prices are rising on just about everything else, too. as you can see on your screen. and now there are concerns about shortages as the holiday season approaches. with me now is a host of cnn's upcoming streaming platform on cnn plus, scott galloway. professor, great to see you. this is kind of a baffling issue. i mean, we know everybody is feeling it. everybody's feeling this pinch, but it's sort of come out of nowhere and i haven't been able to find anybody who's been able to put their finger on why it's happening. why is this happening? >> i would say it's baffling for you young guys. inflation used to be something we dealt with a lot in the '70s and '80s. most adults haven't seen it since the '80s. >> i was a little young back then. i remember the gas lines. i was a little young.
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>> it's a kind of perfect storm. just as we have container ships stranded 20 miles off the long beach coast, you also have massive stimulus. simply put, there's just more dollars chasing fewer products. and the word you're going to see used less and less is transitory. it looks like this is going to go well into the next year because it doesn't look like the supply chain issues are getting out soon. consumers have a lot of money and a lot of disposable income at their disposal, so it doesn't look like this is going to go away. up 6.6%, the highest in 30 years. >> but the economy is going pretty, i mean gang busters right now. the unemployment rate has fallen. the delta surge, put a dent in growth to some extent, but it has been requiring quite well since the depths of covid.
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biden is going to get credit for a good economy, blamed for a bad economy. i suppose inflation has a way, has a tendency to carve into what our, you know, the data that show economic gains. i mean that is one barometer that it sounds like the white house can't fix. >> well, it is the flip side to a very good coin and that is we did come back from the precipice of what could have been an economic collapse. the question is, did we overdue it. when you say the economy is strong, a lot of it is through whose lens are you looking. when you factor in the surge in energy, in food prices, all of the wage increases you've enjoyed at those levels have been wiped out so the purchases power has gone down and the s word of stagflation, where productivity goes down, at the same time you have inflation, it's what everyone is scared of, it's a great time to own assets.
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if you own homes, stocks, you're seeing your wealth protect you from inflation. but if the majority of your income comes from wages which have been eaten up by inflation, this is a very ugly time. s >> and the white house would argue folks are getting the child tax credit and that can help, you know, adjust for that, but what about, you know, the fact that folk s are feeling th pinch and this is going to be going for some time now and on top of that, there are also a record number of americans quitting their jobs right now. more than 4 million in september. how is it that people are quitting their jobs right now and the price of everything is getting more expensive? those things don't seem to go with one another. >> yeah, people are calling it the great resignation. two months in a row where we had more people quit than in any months on record. i would call it the great reassessment. where people have more money in
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their pockets and decide they don't want to go back to work. in addition, if you really look at the problems and you zero in on the fact that a disproportionate number of people leaving the workforce are women, without schools fully open or family leave, women have to be home. they're the primary care givers for generations older and younger and they just don't have the option or their life is to stressful they're deciding to leverage work from home remote capabilities and deciding to exit the workforce. i believe if you wanted to tame inflation, get out in front of this incredible labor shortage, a lot of it leads back to helping people in the homes, specifically women, have the ability to go to work. i think all roads kind of mostly lead to the same place and that is we need to be, or not be one of the seven nations that doesn't have some sort of paid maternity leave and just give women the chance to get back to
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work. >> i was going to ask you about that. is whether or not the biden agenda could help tackle some of this. we just saw the infrastructure bill passed. paid leave, which you just mentioned, is part of, or maybe part of, we'll see what the final legislation looks like, biden's social economic and climate package. is there stuff in there that would, you know, bring some relief? >> well, a lot of it if you think about infrastructure, if you think about a lot of the supply chain problems, it is creating a dearth of products. a lot of the programs in this infrastructure bill should long-term structurally help increase or unclog our supply chain. we have dramatic spending around ports improvements, airports. so long-term, it should help. family leave should help. give people more options including going back to work, but these are not going to be, these are not short-term fixes. that would be like announcing
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you're releasing some of those 600 million barrels of strategic petroleum reserve. it would probably be raising interest rates to suppress some of the borrowing. there are several tools at their disposal, none of them are a silver bullet, but the infrastructure plan is a long-term fix. >> yeah. and of course, tapping the strategic petroleum reserve, that comes with consequences, too. all right, scott galloway, no easy answers but thanks for helping us take a stab at it. appreciate your time. >> thank you, jim. he was forced to resign after caught using racist, home phobic language. now john gruden is suing the league saying there was an orchestrated effort to destroy him. those details next. neuriva plus fuels six key indicators of brain performance. more brain performance? yes, please! neuriva. think bigger.
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vegas raiders coach is suing roger goodell over leaked e-mails that led to his resignation. coy wire reports. >> john gruden resigned last month at the raiders head coach after e-mails contained racist messages were uncovered during an investigation. his e-mails to former washington president bruce allen and others were sent between 2011 and 2018 when gruden was working for espn. a "new york times" report says gruden announced women being employed as on field officials, an openly guy player and used a home phobic slur. "the wall street journal" reports he used racially incentive language. the lawsuit says the nfl and the commissioner leaked the e-mails as part of a malicious campaign
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unquote, to destroy his career. his attorney saying quote, there's no explanation for why his e-mails were the only ones made public out of the 650,000 collected in the nfl's vest dpgags of the team or why the e-mails were held for months, unquote. the lawsuit claims that goodell and the league suggested they would make other documents public if the raiders didn't fire gruden and said he had suffered severe financial damage and harm to his reputation, unquote, as a result of their actions. an nfl spokesman tells cnn the allegations are meritless and that the nfl will defend itself against these claims. up next, people profiting from others. a cnn investigation into afghanistan.
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nearly three months after the fall of afghanistan, many are still desperate to leave. alex marquardt found a black market ready to take advantage. >> reporter: these are the heavy steps of a young man trying to save his family. he's just 26 years old and lives in california. we can't show his face for the safety of his family in afghanistan. >> i'm desperate and the danger is imminent. >> reporter: since the withdrawal from afghanistan, his parents, siblings and wife have been in hiding from the taliban. who in the past the young man said have violently beaten his father and a doctor and his
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mother, a women right's activist who worked with the u.s. >> there was a announcement to my parents that anybody who helped them find my parents or my family that aebs up with your execution will gain a prize. >> they put a bounty on your family's head? >> exactly. this is really serious. they went to our house. they destroyed every single thing. >> reporter: desperate he turned to facebook to see if he could get afghans out of afghanistan for a price. >> they say you have to pay $10,000 per person to be evacuated. >> i cannot provide $100,000 in cash. in a way, even if i provide that money, there is no guarantee they will be evacuated. >> desperate afghans are being kploited and told they could get t their families out if they pay
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impossible amounts. >> for only one family, $50,000. >> >> reporter: we skyped with a father of three in kabul who offered to get them on an evacuation flight list. >> if you want to leave the country, they say pay first. i said, how we can pay that much money right now. it is only business matters. people are making thousands and hundreds of thousands per day. >> reporter: this man whose identity we need to hide worked as a contractor for u.s. aid. the kind they are working to evacuate. >> what the u.s. is doing that you know of to try and get you and your family out. >> unfortunately now they are not doing anything. they say everything is closed and it is finished. we did not receive anything back from any other organization. >> reporter: sew went online where he found a man named zachary young who is one of many
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advertising evacuations from afghanistan posting this week, we can deliver. one linked-in user posted messages where young said it would be $75,000 for a car to pakistan. he told another it would be $14.5 per person to get to albania for another 4,000 del. prices well beyond the reach of most afghans. in a text message he told cnn that afghans trying to leave are expected to have sponsors fay for them. if someone reaches out we need to understand if they have a sponsor to pay evacuation costs which are based on environmental realities. young declined to break down the cost or say if he's making money. back in california, young afghan american tells us even though he can't pay, he's still pleading to get his family out. >> i have sent tons of texts, asking these people, begging
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them to evacuate my family. if i don't evacuate them within the next two weeks, i think i will lose them all. i think i will lose them all, my family. >> and our thanks toal em mar court for that eye opening report. and finely the top ten cnn heroes have been announced and as you vote we'll introduce our top ten. here is lindy doughty. >> this is bittersweet and as much as i'm excited to see that animal be released, it is also hard in the sense of seeing the animal now gone. >> there is no way you're going back to the ocean. >> so any seal that we rescue the ultimate goal is for them to be released back in the ocean. >> i feel a responsibility to help these animals and this is what i was put on this earth to do. >> great stuff. cast your vote at cnnheroes.com.
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