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the race to assign blame starts almost immediately. that means lawsuits. but against whom? and for what? we are talking about the travis scott show in houston. now, the houston fire chief says even scott had a role in stopping this. >> i truly believe, you know, um, that at some point if -- if the -- if the lights would have been turned on, the promoter or the artist called for that, it would have -- it would have chilled the crowd. and -- and who knows? who knows what the outcome would have been? >> now, would that be a first if travis scott were held liable or responsible as a performer? now, problem for scott is that he is also an organizer of this. a producer. so, to the extent that there is exposure on the side of those who put this together, scott will be listed there, as well. is what happened at
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astroworld -- the scott concert in houston -- different from other tragedies in music history? you know, you had the who in cincinnati in 1979. pearl jam in 2000, nine people died there. the indiana state fair in 2011. you remember that? when the stage collapsed during the sugar land show? my next guest has investigated them all. paul. it's good to have you on prime time, sir. >> thank you, chris, thanks for the opportunity. >> what is your take on this from what we understand thus far? >> well, it was a preventable tragedy. it followed the path of some of the very incidents you've just mentioned and others, too, i might add. 1991, ac/dc concert, salt lake city, three dead. crushed in front of the stage. two 14-year-olds and a 19-year-old. and of course, you mentioned pearl jam in denmark in 2000.
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nine fans crushed to death in front of eddy vetter. the same kind of situation. you mentioned the who concert and let's not forget woodstock '99. rapes and thousands of injuries in front of the main stage and i -- at that time, i publicly said prior to the festival that this is where the problem was, not on the perimeter. but in front of the stage in the mosh-pit festival seating. you see? one thing they all have in common is festival seating. the same seating configuration used at this festival. it's the most dangerous and deadly crowd configuration in the history of concerts and festivals. >> why do they keep doing it the same way? >> well, you could ask that to the promoters but my -- my assessment is because it makes so much money.
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it's so lucrative. you -- every seat you sell, every ticket you sell in festival seating is a ticket in front of the stage where the -- where the lead -- the singer is. everybody thinks that's their spot. there's not a bad festival seating ticket because they're sold all for the same spot. and i tell you, this is a problem in festival -- with festival seating. people are forced to compete against each other for that special area, special location, whatever. in crowd safety, that's the last thing you want to happen. you want people working together for the common good of the crowd. >> how instructive is it that in the documentary, you hear travis scott's team talking about exactly the issues that wound up happening in this show? um, how important or instructive
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do you believe for the investigation is going to be what they knew from other shows? >> well, that shows notice, doesn't it? that's the canary in the coal mine. that means that they knew they were having -- they were running reckless crowd environments. and they put up with it. i mean, when did it become okay for fans to get squished, crushed at a concert? and that was business as usual. see? the -- that concert and all the concerts that we're talking about like that were dangerous. just because nothing happens does not mean an event is safe. it just means nothing happened. and they were playing russian roulette every time they did this kind of reckless event or any other promoter or act. friday, everything went wrong. >> does travis scott -- as a producer, he is going to have some exposure to whatever the civil suits are and if they do find any criminal liability on the part of the promotion, he
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would be listed with that. but do you believe performers have a responsibility to take action during a show? >> of course they do. they've got a great responsibility -- moral and i argue, as others will, legal responsibility for the safety of the crowd. after all, that's why the crowd's there. he's a -- he -- in some ways, he's the most important crowd manager at the event. or certainly, has a role. and he is the one who whips up the crowd until it spins out of control. he -- artists like him -- and this is not a criticism -- they feed off the energy of the crowd. they want to see the crowd mosh. they want to see it go crazy. they want to see it -- they want to see the crowd surge. that means the music is reaching the fans. i've spent almost two decades in these very, very crowd environments. and i've -- when i go to festivals and concerts, i go to the center in front of the stage
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because that's the first and most dangerous area in festival seating. >> well, paul, i appreciate your perspective on this. don't spend too much time in those areas because, you know, you don't want to take any more risks than you have to but i understand why you do it and i appreciate your insight into this. and i'd love to bring you back when we get more of an understanding of where this is headed and you can tell us what makes sense and what doesn't. paul, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. thank you, chris. all right. the january 6th investigation's all going to be about getting people to talk. i mean, you know, that's going to be the problem. it always is, especially here because, you know, again, opposition has become a position. not just in politics but in the practicalities of our law enforce. they don't want to comply. so there's some big names just been called to the carpet. we have a member of the select committee here. what's the goal? is this going to help or hurt the democrats in the midterms, by the way? it's not what it's about but it
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all right. so there is a new round of subpoenas issued today by the january 6th select committee targeting six top-trump campaign advisers who pushed the big lie. trump campaign manager bill stepien, john eastman. now, that name has gotten attention.
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the attorney who devised a scheme for pence to overturn the election. michael flynn. the ex-national security adviser who pardoned -- who was pardoned by trump. um, also, senior adviser jason miller and bernie kerik. remember him? he used to be police commissioner in new york city after 9/11 -- during 9/ 11. two associates. they both met with juul and bannon on january 5, as well as angela mccollum, an executive assistant. will they comply and what fruit could they yield? steve bannon -- here is the context -- he was held in contempt of congress over two weeks ago. doj. no decision on whether to prosecute, yet. let's bring in a key member of the committee congressman adam schiff. good to see you, as always, sir. let's start with that. >> good to see you. >> two weeks. no word from the doj. is that too long? >> i don't think it's too long. they do need to study the precedent, the facts of the
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case. i think it's a pretty straightforward case, though. and i hope that they move with expedition. if the justice department doesn't hold steve bannon accountable, um, it only lends credence to the idea that some people are above the law. and that cannot be true in this country. also, you know, what's at stake is the congress's ability to enforce lawful process. the congress can't be any more successful as a congress than a court could be if a court suddenly lost the power to subpoena witnesses to testify. so, it's going to be really important to whether congress continues to be a coequal branch of government and a check and balance on the executive. >> who do you see as a particularly significant in this new batch of subpoenas and why? >> you know, several are very significant. obviously, eastman was deeply involved in a legal strategy to overturn the election with this bogus theory that the vice president could simply disregard the electors from states that
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didn't go trump's way. um, but also, you know, mike flynn was apparently at a december oval office meeting where they talked about, um, using emergency powers, declaring a national emergency or seizing voting machines. he gave an interview, in which even i think talked about martial law. as you point out, this was someone, albeit for a short period of time, who was the national security adviser to the president. um, but the other witnesses are also very important. some participated in the so-called war room at the willard hotel on january 5th. and we want to hear what they have to say. >> do you think that these most recent elections and this idea that the electorate is telling you guys in the decmocratic party, get things done, make things better for me. don't fight your own fights, fight my fights. do you worry about all that the january-6th commission is something that's past its expiration date with the american voter that they don't care anymore, they don't want you to spend your time on this? >> no, i think the public
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understands how serious an attack on the capitol is. and i think they share the concern about the fate of our democracy. i would be worried if it were the only thing we were doing. if we hadn't passed a rescue plan. if we hadn't passed an infrastructure bill. if we are not about to pass another huge investment in the american people in the build back better act. but we are doing so much really new-deal level investment in the american people that we have a powerful case to make in terms of our legislative agenda. but it's also important to our constituents that we defend dmok democracy and part of that is making sure we never have another january 6th. >> do you think that the spending bill, the build back better bill, is going to get a real serious vote anytime soon in terms of being passed? >> i do. you know, we have an agreement to take this up by november 15th and we need to make sure that it can get through both house and senate. but we'll get there. we'll get it done.
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and when we do, it's going to be of enormous importance to the country in helping reduce the cost of prescription drugs, in helping seniors with hearing issues, and helping parents with universal preschool education and helping attack the problem of the climate with the most significant investment in attacking climate change in our nation's history. so, lots that the public strongly supports and we'll get it done. >> you know, i know that, you know, you've already -- we have talked about how you agree with what i am about to say. but your party not making securing the democracy its absolute focus because, you know, you have the same problem with manchin and sinema about the filibuster on the spending bill and having to go reconciliation as you do on the voting rights protection. and do you think that has to get done for democrats to be able to make the case to the american voter that you honored the
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mandate they gave you by putting their interest first? i mean, what matters more than securing the democracy? >> well, i -- i think that's paramount. and -- and i would say that protecting the right to vote is paramount to protecting the democracy. if the foundation isn't solid and the right to vote is the foundation, then the whole edifice crumbles to the ground. um, the -- the economic bills, the build back better legislation, infrastructure rescue plan, those are also part of a democracy agenda because you need to show the democracy can produce for its people. and for many millions of people, our economy has not been working for them. so that's a key part of the democracy agenda but the most important part is voting rights. and -- and so, yes, i -- i think the congress as well as the president, very personally, needs to be as deeply and daily engaged on that as anything we're doing on the economy. >> congressman adam schiff, thank you very much. good luck doing the work of the
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people. >> thank you. hey, i don't know if you heard but our joe madison, very famous guy on radio goes by the black eagle. he just started a hunger strike because of the inaction on voting rights. and i'm going to make a call to him after this show, see if we can get him on to talk about that. hunger strike's very serious thing. it's very extreme. can be very, very dangerous. why? what it means, the urgency. i am telling you it's an issue i can't believe how much it's been slept on by the democrats, and yes, that's how i see it. i think they have slept on it. they didn't make it their priority, and they didn't stay with it and find a way through it until they can get it done and and i think they are going to regret it. now, aaron rodgers. listen. he needed to own his actions, and it seems like he's got happy feet in the pocket right now. he is dancing. only, this isn't a game. what he is saying deserves attention but so does the silence from the team and the league. so, what do you say? let's get after it.
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green bay packers' star quarterback, aaron rodgers, says he is under attack from the woke mob. no. you just need to wake up, brother. you're no victim of anything but your own bad choices. the nfl mvp quarterback said he was immunized when first asked about the jab. he, in fact, was not vaccinated against covid-19. listen to him break down his reasoning. >> i realize i am in the crosshairs of the woke mob right now. so before my final nail gets put in my cancel-culture casket, i think i'd like to set the record straight on so many of the blatant lies that are out there about myself right now. i'm not, you know, some sort of
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anti-vax, flat earther. um, i am somebody who's a critical thinker. i have an allergy to an ingredient that's in the m -- mrna vaccines. the organization knew exactly what my status was. my teammates knew exactly what my status was. there was nothing that was hidden. >> so, two questions. one, if there was nothing that was hidden, then why did they allow you not to follow the protocols for unvaccinated people? and two, if you have an immunity issue or an allergy issue to one of the ingredients, why didn't you go to a doctor and try to get a medical exemption? let's bring in sports journalist and host of "the right time with bomani jones." b bomani jones, what is your take? >> i think he is done a fantastic end around by trying to pose this as some sort of cultural issue and ignoring that the real problem people have is you lied to people's faces like that is what he it came down to
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and it shouldn't have been so easy for him to lie because when asked if he was vaccinated, he said yeah, i'm immunized. somebody's supposed to be like wait a minute, that's not what i asked you. everything else that he tried to turn this into some macro issue ignores the fact that the problem that people had was you seemed to be lying to people, and you seemed to be carrying on as a vaccinated person when you, in fact, were not. >> it's one of those but to play with the metaphor, it's one of those ones where you keep running deeper and deeper into your own field territory and they are chasing you but you are getting away but you are getting backwards, not forwards towards what we call the gain line. when it comes. and then, you get the silence. where is team on this? you know what i mean? he just said there in that interview, you knew everything. if you knew everything, why did you let him do nothing when you have protocols in place? where is the league going after him act this, bomani? >> i think they are going to be looking into this. >> how long does it take to look into it? it's all obvious. >> oh, no, i agree.
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it would be very obvious here but for the packers, what the question become fs for me is wh exactly did you go along with it. in this case, i am inclined to believe him. he said he adheres to the protocols everywhere basically except for this media availability. with the media availability, if he wore a mask, he would disclose that he was not vaccinated. it would be the tell for everybody. the team seemed to be going along with that almost like they're embarrassed by the idea that he wasn't vaccinated. and all the things he went through to try to not to have be treated like an unvaccinated person, i can see they were afraid that cockamamie interview he gave to pat mcafee. maybe that's it but the team absolutely they knew that he was not a vaccinated party. and they let him present as such and i think it's because both the team and aaron rodgers didn't want to be embarrassed so i wonder where this courage came from for him to talk about it now because he always could have said the things that he is saying right now. it only came up when he tested positive but i am curious as to
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why given the resolve that he seems to have. >> you think he should be allow today play this week? >> um, if he tests negative, then i am inclined to say yeah because i really think that the packers are the real guilty party for him being able to flout these rules as such. it is their responsibility to enforce them. they allowed him to get away with it. so if he is healthy enough to play, then yeah i think he should play. i just want him to be able to answer, for himself, why did he feel the need to lie to people act it in the first place? because that is the one thing he didn't seem to want to answer, right? that he wanted to give all praises to joe rogan, whom apparently while he says he talks to harvard mds about stuff, it was joe rogan that really guided him. he took stuff that is for horses. all of those things. why did you lie to us, in the first place, if you were willing to embarrass yourself later? >> well, the embarrassment was going to begin as soon as he pointed out joe rogan as one of his touchstones of his critical thinking. bomani jones, thank you very much. appreciate you. >> thank you, sir. >> all right. let's turn to the murder trial of ahmaud arbery's accused killers. okay?
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self-defense. you remember arbery was out on a jog, and they're going to use a now defunct citizen's arrest law. today was just day two of testimony in this trial. already the state worked to poke holes in the defense argument, calling up several witnesses, including the first officer who arrived at the scene of the shooting. listen as he recounted what william roddie bryan jr., the man who recorded the video of ahmaud being chased, told him. >> how many times did mr. bryan say that he either blocked ahmaud or cornered him during this chase? >> after going back and reviewing the transcribed body camera, it appeared to be approximately five times. >> did bryan ever say he saw ahmaud commit any crime at the point where bryan decided to leave his house? >> no, ma'am, he did not report any crime to me. >> okay. did bryan ever say he was trying to make a citizen's arrest of ahmaud? >> no, ma'am.
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>> now, when citizen's arrest fails or is found like it's going to be an unsatisfying way to go -- because remember the defense doesn't have to make a case, but if it does decide to make an affirmative case, which is to plead self-defense and make that articulated argument. if they see that going away, they're going to have to fall back on traditional self-defense, which would be that ahmaud arbery came at them and presented a threat of serious or deadly injury. so let's take a break and then come back and talk to ahmaud arbery's mother and counsel, next.
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joining us now is wanda cooper jones, who of course is ahmaud arbery's mother, and the arbery family attorney mark maguire. it's good to see you, counselor. ma'am, nice to see you. >> hi. nice to meet you as well.
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>> ms. cooper jones, what did it mean to you, and why did you decide to want to watch the video in the courtroom of what happened to your son? >> simply because i didn't think i had the mental capacity to take it. but i also wondered what happened to ahmaud the last minutes of his life. i avoided the video because i didn't think i can take it. but then when the trial started, i knew it was time for me to try to get familiar with it because i was going to see it over and over again. >> when you did see it and to the extent that you could process what you were seeing emotionally, what did it mean to you? >> it was very disturbing. it was very heartbreaking knowing that ahmaud had, like i
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said, from the very beginning that he ran, i didn't realize he had ran so long. but hearing the testimony from the last couple days, you know, it's just -- it's reassuring that ahmaud actually ran for his life. >> and what do you hope the jury sees in that video? >> i'm hoping that the jury sees what the world sees, is that ahmaud hadn't committed a crime. he was simply out for a jog. he did stop by that unoccupied home. but, again, ahmaud didn't commit a crime, and ahmaud was chased and eventually killed. >> counselor, do you believe that the prosecution is going at this the right way thus far? >> i think what the prosecution has on its side is the evidence. they need to show the video. they need to show the body cam video. they need to show the words and actions of these defendants.
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they need to do that consistently, and the more that they do that, the worse it gets for these defendants. so long as they continue to put these images in front of these jurors, i think that's adequate for a finding of guilty on the charges they're facing. >> ms. cooper-jones, we told the audience early on we were going to stay on the ahmaud arbery case all the way through because too often, these efforts move out of the media spotlight. and we'll follow the trial. we'll follow the verdict, and we'll cover the ramifications. that's our job, and i promise you we'll do that. i wish you strength during that pro es is. i'm sorry for your loss. >> thank you. thank you so much. >> all right. god bless. counselor, thank you. thank you for watching. don lemon tonight starts right now. d. lemon. >> a strong woman. can you imagine any mom going through that? your heart has to go out to. i can understand why she avoided the video for so long. but much like in the -

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