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happen. that's right. that's why you have people and systems in place to handle, or not, as may be the case. this sound i'm about to play for the nrg park concert, for some of you it will be uncomfortable to watch, but i would suggest you watch it so you understand the situation. and don't focus on what you see. it will be what you don't see and don't hear that's truly disturbing. >> there is someone dead. there is someone dead. there is someone [ bleep ] dead. >> the woman you saw there screaming says she was yelling to a security guard off camera. eight people died. a 14-year-old boy, a 16-year-old girl among them. they've all been identified now. hundreds more were hurt.
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a massive crowd of 50,000. even some of the ems crews trying to respond appeared to be surrounded and all but paralyzed. and look at this. someone even dancing on top of an emergency vehicle. look, travis scott himself seems confused. take a listen. >> what the [ bleep ] is that? >> unfortunately he wasn't the only one who didn't get what was happening. we know the concert went on for up to 40 minutes after the first report of injuries in the crowd. yet in the middle of that 40-minute window, a mass casualty event was declared. now watch this moment from apple music's video of the concert. it's about four minutes after
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the mass casualty event is officially unfolding. scott, the performer, sees at least some sign of trouble for an audience member. watch. >> we need somebody to help him, somebody passed out right here. somebody passed out right here. don't touch him, don't touch him. everybody just back up. security, somebody help jump in real quick. keep it going. >> keep the music going. a few seconds later scott goes on with the concert and it keeps going on for nearly half an hour. the real concern is going to be what was foreseeable? get used to that word. it's part of a legal analysis. but it means what it sounds like. what was a red flag? what should they have prepared for, what should they have known might happen and that they had to be ready before scott even took the stage? if you go back to a documentary about travis scott, you look
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behind the scenes at this moment from the security team getting ready for one of his shows. according to what appears to be a security briefing before this particular concert in rogers, arkansas, 2017 is the year, a man identified by the subtitles as a manager warns other staff that the crowd -- ready? -- will be pushing at the front barricade. >> the kids push up against the front and spread all the way across that and fill the floor so the pressure becomes great up against the barricade. you'll see a lot of crowd surfers in general but you also see a lot of kids just trying to get out to safety because they can't be. you won't know how bad it will be until we turn on. >> you won't know how bad it will be. but obviously he had an idea. was the planning for what they knew would happen in the past there this time? if so, was it inadequate?
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they clearly not only knew the risks, they knew the reality. scott himself pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for encouraging people to rush the stage in arkansas. and two years earlier, he encouraged fans at loll alollap to jump over the barricades. should security at nrg park have prepared better for fans running to get inside the barricade? cnn obtained a preparation plan. it goes through every scenario. severe weather, riot. crowd search? no. no significant contingency for crowd search. yet in 2019 three people went to the hospital after being trampled at a houston concert. the headliner? travis scott. the history was there. the signs were there. this time those signs were
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early. look at this isolated event i want to show you here. they're tripping, they're running over others. authorities are now asking whether the nightmare should have been prevented. this is early on from this one. now, look. people trip, people fall. but this is part of the culture of these events, with this particular performer, and probably others, but this is the one we're focused on today. even the police chief was nervous, okay? the chief tweeted today, quote, i met with travis scott and his head of security for a few moments last friday prior to the main event. i expressed my concerns regarding public safety and that my 31 years of law enforcement experience, i've never seen a time with more challenges facing citizens of all ages including a global pandemic and social tension throughout the nation. to me that sounds a little bit like a cya there. but is the police chief directly responsible for a private venue event? no. "the new york times" reports the chief does know scott personally
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and thought he was doing good for his hometown but conveying concerns about the energy in the crowd. keep in mind, scott isn't just a performer. he's the festival's organizer as well. another thing to know is this is now a criminal investigation. so let's get after it. and we're going to start with people who were in the middle of the chaos. i want you to meet billy nasser. he worked to pull people to safety. and andrew medina, a fan who started to fear for his own safety. thank god you're both well. i appreciate you both. billy, let me start with you. when did you realize that this situation was far more than typically pushing and shoving at a concert? >> it started before travis even came out. basically there was not even a centimeter you could fit between the person next to you. as soon as he came out, i saw the first dead body about ten minutes in. >> and dead from what, as far as you could tell?
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what happened? >> they passed out. and they were on the ground and basically getting trampled. and no one would pick them up. there was just too many people there. it was overcrowded. the way the barricades were set up had people trapped in. it was a death trap. >> how are you doing, young man? are you all right? >> i'm doing okay. i'm doing okay. >> hold on a second, andrew, i'll be with you in one second, i'm sorry. but the question goes to you, pal. you're both young. i want you to be well. billy, this has to be a tough thing to be talking about and thinking about. how are you handling it so far? >> it's all right. i've never seen a dead person before. to see kids on the ground with their eyes rolling back to their head and for media to be underreporting deaths is frustrating. >> well, look, you're not supposed to see things like that, it's not natural, certainly not at a concert. and just, you know, make sure you're talking with your friends, you're talking with family and that you take care of
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yourself, right? that's what matters the most. >> right. >> andrew, thank you. how are you handling it, are you doing well? >> yes, sir, yes. i am. i was at the front of the barricade, and, you know, that crowd was just, you know, so intent on just -- i was just up against the barricade the whole time. it was crushing my -- like, my body, as the night went on. and it started -- it started in the beginning, actually. you know, i could already tell by when i entered the festival, you know, just how it was going to be, just the atmosphere of the fans and how they were. >> was it different than other
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shows you had been to? >> you know, i've gone to -- you know, i've gone to raves and i've gone to, you know, other festivals, and this was by far the craziest event that i've been to. >> billy, do you agree with that? >> i agree. i've never seen anything like it. i've been to, like, dozens of travis shows. i've never seen anything like it. >> so you don't think it's about travis scott or the way they put on his shows in particular? you think it was just this night, this city? >> it was the organizers of the festival. the way they set up the barricade when i first time got there, i knew we would not be able to fit that many people. >> and what did you see, billy, in terms of staff? were they present? could you see there were a lot of people around? obviously you're not going to be able to do anything like matching the number of people, 50,000 strong. did you see a presence there, billy? >> the paramedics couldn't even
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reach us, they didn't have number emts, people were just falling over, i was checking pulses and that's when i realized people were done. it was ten to 15 minutes into the show and they kept going another hour after that. they didn't even stop when they saw ambulances in the crowd. >> how old are you, billy? >> 24. >> when you see the media is underreporting the number of dead, they're telling us eight people died at the concert and that there are a lot of other people, obviously, injured. do you not agree with that number? >> a lot of people that were there with me saw more than eight people. they actually reported 11 at one point and they keep changing the numbers. so it's really inaccurate. >> well, look, there's always a possibility you saw people who were on the ground and hurt or even unconscious. >> right, right. >> but they wound up not dying from it. but you're right, we've got to make it accurate. andrew, help me understand, what
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did you make from the fact that the concert kept going after there were obviously really messed-up things going on at the concert that you were aware of and that even travis scott may have been aware of, but certainly the people throwing the show should have been aware of? >> yeah, you know, there were -- you know, there was tons of people behind me, as i was at the barricade. and, you know, every -- let's say, ten, 15 minutes, there was a body getting -- a body that wasn't moving, that was going over my head. and, you know, they were guessing tossed to the security or the police. and, you know, at that time i didn't know if they were just passed out or if they had passed away. i wasn't thinking about that at that time. and, you know, i would just see those bodies get, you know, taken away to i don't know where. that happened throughout the
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whole concert. until finally i -- i had to get out, because i just couldn't take it anymore. >> how did you get out from the barricade if you were being crushed? >> there were multiple police, and security in the front. and, you know, the people in the front were asking to get taken out, because they just couldn't take it anymore. my ribs were getting crushed by the steel barricade. i had to ask to get taken out. >> hey, billy, if people are looking at you, you've got hospital scrubs on. and you wear them because that is part of your persona as a deejay. and you had scrubs on at the show, right? >> right. my dad's a doctor and i wear his scrubs in honor of him. he's a famous heart doctor. so is my grandpa. they always wanted me to be a
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doctor. travis posted a picture of me wearing scrubs, that's why i was wearing at them. people were asking for a medic, for a doctor, and people were asking for help. >> well, look, you were trying to help, and that's all you can do in that situation. billy, does it matter to you that travis scott is one of the organizers of the event as well? is this about him at all? >> i wouldn't put the blame entirely on travis. it's on the organizers of the festival. but travis saw the ambulance in the hospital and kept going. he saw the unconscious people in the audience. i'm one of the biggest travis supporters you can find and i can't support travis after this. >> here's what we know tonight among the three of us. you guys, thank god, are okay. and you made it out of the show and you'll live to go to another one. and not everybody can say that. so billy, god bless and good luck going forward. and andrew, thank you very much. and i'm glad you made it out of there and i hope you're okay.
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gentlemen, thank you. i'm sorry to meet you this way but i'm happy to meet you. >> it's okay. >> thank you. >> look, let's take a beat on this. because it's got to be about how we do these things, especially now coming out of covid. everybody's so anxious to get back to life. but we have to do things the right way. and you have your possible warning signs. but you also have a look at why this happened this way, this time, okay? travis scott's shows, are they any different? there is actually someone who investigates exactly these kinds of events in the music world. what do we know about what matters, what are the questions to ask, and how this sizes up to other situations this man has seen? the answers, next. with dupixent adults saw long-lasting, clearer skin
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the race to assign blame started almost immediately. that means lawsuits. but against whom? and for what? we're talking about the travis scott show in houston. now, the houston fire chief says even scott had a role in stopping this. >> i truly believe, you know, that at some point, if the lights would have been turned on, the promoter or the artist called for that, it would have -- it would have chilled the crowd. and who knows? who knows what the outcome would have been? >> now, would that be a first, if travis scott were held liable or responsible as a performer? the problem for scott is that he's also an organizer of this, or producer. so to the extent that there is exposure on the side of those who put this together, scott will be listed there as well. is what happened at astroworld, the scott concert in houston,
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different from other tragedies in music history? you had the who in cincinnati in 1979. pearl jam in 2000, nine people died there. the indiana state fair in 2011, do you remember that? when the stage collapsed during the sugarland show. my next guest has investigated them all. paul wertheimer, welcome to "prime time." >> thank you, chris, for the opportunity. >> what's your take on this so far? >> well, it was a preventible tragedy. it followed the path of some of the very incidents you just mentioned, and others too, i might add. 1981, ac/dc concert, salt lake city, three dead, crushed in front of the stage. two 14-year-olds and a 19-year-old. and of course you mentioned pearl jam in denmark in 2000. nine fans crushed to death in
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front of eddie vetter. you mentioned the who concert. let's not forget, woodstock '99. rapes and thousands of injuries in front of the main stage. and at that time, i publicly said, prior to the festival, that this is where the problem was, not on the perimeter, but in front of the stage, in the mosh pit festival seetating. you see, the one thing they have in common is festival seating, the same configuration used at this festival. it's the most dangerous and deadly crowd configuration in the history of concerts and festivals. >> why do they keep doing it the same way? >> well, you can ask that to the promoters. but my assessment is because it makes so much money. it's so lucrative.
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every seat you sell, every ticket you sell in festival seating is a ticket in front of the stage where the singer is. everybody thinks that's their spot. there's not a bad festival seating ticket because they're sold all for the same spot. and i'll tell you, this is a problem with festival seating. people are forced to compete against each other for that special area, special location, whatever. in crowd safety, that's the last thing you want to happen. you want people working together for the common good of the crowd. >> how instructive is it that in the documentary, you hear travis scott's team talking about exactly the issues that wound up happening in this show? how important or instructive do you believe the investigation is
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going to be, what they knew from other shows? >> that shows notice, doesn't it? that's the canary in the coal mine. that means they knew they were running reckless crowd environments. and they put up with it. when did it become okay for fans to get squished, crushed, at a concert, and that was business as usual? see, that concert and all the concerts that we're talking about like that were dangerous. just because nothing happens does not mean an event is safe. it just means nothing happened. and they were playing russian roulette every time they did this kind of reckless event or any other promoter or act. friday, everything went wrong. >> does travis scott as a producer, he's going to have some exposure to whatever the civil suits are, and if they do find any criminal liability on the part of the promotion, he would be listed with that.
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but do you believe performers have a responsibility to take action during a show? >> of course they do. they've got a great responsibility, moral, and, i argue, as others will, legal responsibility for the safety of the crowd. after all, that's why the crowd's there. in some ways he's the most important crowd manager at the event. or certainly has a role. and he's the one who whips up the crowd until it spins out of control. artists like him, and this is not a criticism, they feed off the energy of the crowd. they want to see the crowd mosh, they want to see it go crazy, they want to see the stage dive, they want to see the crowd surge. that means the music is reaching the fans. i've spent almost two decades in these very crowded environments and when i go to festivals and concerts, i go to the center in front of the stage, because that's the first and most
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dangerous area in festival seating. >> paul, i appreciate your perspective on this. don't spend too much time in those areas, because, you know, you don't want to take any more risks than you have to, but i understand why you do it and i appreciate your insight into this, and i would love to bring you back when we get more of an understanding of where this is headed and you can tell us what makes sense and what doesn't. paul wertheimer, thank you very much. >> my pleasure, thank you, chris h . the january 6 investigation, opposition has become a position. not just in politics but in the pralts practicalities of law enforcement. there are big names called to the carpet. what do they mean? we have a member of the select committee here. what's the goal? is this going to help or hurt the democrats in the midterms? that's not what it's about but it will affect it.
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stepien. john eastman, that name has gotten attention, the attorney who devised the scheme for pence to overturn the election. michael flynn, ex-national-security adviser who was pardoned by trump. also senior adviser jason mill and her bernie kerric, remember him? he used to be police commissioner in new york city during 9/11. two associates. they both met with giuliani and bannon on january 5, as well as angela mccallum, an executive assi assistant. will they comply? and what fruit could they yield? steve bannon, here's the context, he was held in contempt of congress over two weeks ago. doj, no decision on whether to prosecute yet. let's bring in a key member of the committee, congressman adam schiff. good to see you as always, sir. >> good to see you. >> two weeks, no word from the doj. is that too long?
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>> i don't think it's too long. they do need to study the precedent, the facts of the case. i think it's a pretty straightforward case, though, and i hope they move with expedition. if the justice department doesn't hold steve bannon accountable, it only lends credence to the idea that some people are above the law. and that cannot be true in this country. also, you know, what's at stake is the congress' ability to enforce lawful process. the congress can't be any more successful as a congress than a court could be if a court suddenly lost the power to subpoena witnesses to testify. so it's going to be really important to -- whether congress continues to be a co-equal branch of government and a check and balance on the executive. >> who do you see as particularly significant in this new batch of subpoenas, and why? >> you know, several are very significant. obviously eastman was deeply involved in the legal strategy to overturn the election with his bogus theory that the vice
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president could simply disregard the electors from states that didn't go trump's way. mike flynn was at a december oval office meeting where they talked about using emergency powers, declaring a national emergency or seizing voting machines. he gave an interview in which he even talked about martial law. as you pointed out, this was one, albeit for a short period of time, who was the national security adviser to the president. but the other witnesses are also very important. some participated in the so-called war room at the willard hotel on january 5th. and we want to hear what they have to say. >> do you think that these most recent elections and this idea that the electorate is telling you guys in the democratic party, get things done, make things better for me, don't fight your own fights, fight my fights, do you worry at all that the january 6th commission is something that's past its expiration date with the american voter, that they don't
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care anymore, that they don't want you to spend your time on this? >> no, i think the public understands how serious an attack on the capitol is. and i think they share the concern about the fate of our democracy. i would be worried if it were the only thing we were doing, if we hadn't passed a rescue plan, if we hadn't passed an infrastructure bill, if we weren't about to pass another huge investment in the american people with the build back better act. but we're really so much, really new deal level investment in the american people, that we have a powerful case to make in terms of our legislative agenda. but it's also important to our constituents that we defend democracy. part of that is making sure we never have another january 6th. >> do you think that the spending bill, the build back better bill, is going to get a real serious vote anytime soon in terms of being passed? >> i do. we have an agreement to take this up by november 15th and we have been to make sure it can
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get through both house and senate. but we'll get there. we'll get it done. and when we do, it's going to be an enormous support to the country in helping reduce the cost of prescription drugs, helping seniors with hearing issues, helping parents with universal preschool education and helping attack the problem of climate, with the most significant investment in attacking climate change in our nation's history. so lots that the public strongly supports. and we'll get it done. >> you know, i know that -- we've talked about how you agree with what i'm about to say, but your party not making securing the democracy its absolute focus, because you have the same problem with manchin and sinema about the filibuster on the spending bill and having to go reconciliation as you do on the voting rights protection. and do you think that has to get done for democrats to be able to make the case to the american
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voter that you honored the mandate they gave you by putting their interests first? what matters more than securing the democracy? >> well, i think that's paramount. and i would say that protecting the right to vote is paramount to protecting the democracy. if the foundation isn't solid and the right to vote is the foundation, then the whole edifice crumbles to the ground. the economic bills, the build back better legislation, infrastructure, rescue plan, those are also part of a democracy agenda, because you need to show that democracy can produce for its people and for many millions of people, our economy has not been working for them. so that's a key part of the democracy agenda. but the most important part is voting rights. and so yes, i think the congress as well as the president, very personally, needs to be as deeply and daily engaged on that as anything we're doing on the
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economy. >> congressman adam schiff, thank you very much. good luck doing the work of the people. >> thank you. hey, i don't know if you heard, but our joe madison, very famous guy on radio, goes by the black eagle, he just started a hunger strike because of the inaction on voting rights. i'll make a call to him after the show to see if we can get him on to talk about that. a hunger strike is a very serious thing, it could be very extreme and dangerous. it's an issue that i can't believe how much it's been slept on by the democrats. and that's how i see it, they've slept on it. they didn't make it their priority and i think they'll regret it. now, aaron rodgers. listen, he needed to own his actions. and it seems like he's got happy feet in the pocket right now. he's dancing. only this isn't a game. what he is saying deserves attention but so does the silence from the team and the
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league. what do you say? let's get after it. thanks for coming.
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green bay packers' star quarterback aaron rodgers says he's under attack from the woke mob. no. you just need to wake up, brother. you're no victim of anything but your own bad choices. the nfl mvp quarterback said he was immunized when first asked about the jab. he in fact was not vaccinated against covid-19. listen to him break down his reasoning. >> i realize i'm in the crosshairs of the woke mob right now. so before my final nail gets put in my cancel culture casket, i think i would like to set the record straight on so many of the blatant lies that are out there about myself right now. i'm not, uh, you know, some sort of anti-vaxx flat earther. umm, i am somebody who is a critical thinker. i have, uh, an allergy to an ingredient in the mrna vaccines. the organization knew what my
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status was. my teammates knew what my status was. there was, uh, nothing that was hidden. >> two questions. one, if there was nothing that was hidden, then why did they allow you not to follow the protocols for unvaccinated people? and two, if you have an immunity issue or an allergy issue to one of the ingredients, why didn't you go to a doctor and try to get a medical exemption? let's bring in sports journalist and host of "the right time," what's your take? >> i mean, i think he's done a fantastic end-around so far by trying to pose this as being some sort of cultural issue and ignoring that the real problem you have is you lied to people's faces. and it shouldn't have been so easy for him to lie. because when he was asked if he was vaccinated, he said, "yeah, i'm immunized." somebody is supposed to say, that's not what i asked you, are you vaccinated.
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everybody else is trying to turn this into a macro. the problem is you seem to be lying to people and you seem to be carrying on as a vaccinated person when you in fact were not. >> it's one of the those end-arounds, but to play with the metaphor, it's one of ones where you keep running deeper and deeper into your field territory, they're chasing you but you're going backwards, not forwards to what we call the gain line. then you get the silence. where's the time on this? he said he knows everything. if you know everything, where is the league going after him about this, bomani? >> i think they'll be looking into this. >> how long does it take to along into it? it's all obvious. >> i agree, it would be very obvious here. but for the packers, the question becomes for me, why exactly did you go along with it? if you believe what aaron rodgers said, and in this case i'm inclined to believe him, he
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said he adhered to protocols basically everywhere except for the media availability. at the media availability, if he wore a mask, it would disclose that he wasn't vaccinated. the team seemed to be going along with that, almost as if they're embarrassed by the fact that he's not vaccinated and all the things he went through to try to not be treated like an unvaccinated person. the team, absolutely, they knew he was not a vaccinated party and they let him present as such. and i think it's because both the team and aaron rodgers didn't want to be embarrassed. i'm wondering where all this courage came from for him to talk about it now because he always could have said the things he's saying right now. it only came up when he tested positive. but i'm curious as to why, given the resolve that he seems to have. >> you think he should be allowed to play this week? >> if he tests negative, then i am inclined to say yeah, because i really think the packers are
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the real guilty party for him being able to flout these rules as such. it's their responsibility to enforce them. they allowed him to get away with it. if he is healthy enough to play, then yeah, i think he should play. i just want him to be able to answer for himself why did he feel the need to lie to people about it in the first place. because that's the one thing he didn't seem to want to answer, right? he wanted to give all praises to joe rogan who apparently, while he says he talks to harvard md's about stuff, he took stuff that is for horses. all of those things. why did you lie to us in the first place if you were willing to embarrass yourself later? >> the embarrassment was going to begin as soon as he pointed out joe rogan as one of his touchstones of his critical thinking. bomani jones, thank you very much, appreciate you. >> thank you, sir. let's turn to the murder trial of ahmaud arbery's accused killers. his mother is going to join us. she went into that courtroom, which, you know, we see from time to time, but she also wanted to watch this awful video
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that i remember her saying that they wanted to not look at for obvious reasons. why look at it now? what did it mean to her? and what does she hope that video means to the jury? next.
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up several witnesses including the first officer who arrived at the scene of the shooting. listen as he recounted what william brian junior, the man that recorded the video of arbery being chased told them. >> how many times did mr. brian say that he either blocked ahmad or cornered him during this chase? >> after going back and reviewing the transcribed body camera, it appeared to be approximately five times. >> did brian ever say he saw ahmad commit any crime at the point where brian decided to leave his house? >> no, ma'am. he did not report any crime to me. >> okay. did brian ever say he was trying to make a citizen's arrest of ahmad? >> no, ma'am. >> now, when citizens arrest fails or is found like it's going to be an unsatisfying way to go because remember, the defense doesn't have to make a case but if they make an affirmative case in a law to
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joining us now is wanda cooper jones, who of course is ahmaud arbery's mother and the family attorney mark mcgwire. good to see you counselor. ma'am, nice to see you. >> hi, nice to meet you, as well. >>cooper-jones what did it mean to you and why did you decide to want to watch the video in the courtroom of what
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happened to your son? >> i often wanted the video simply because i didn't think i had the mental capacity to take it but i also wondered what happened to ahmaud the last minutes of his life. i avoided the video because i didn't think i can take it, but then the trial started, i knew it was time for me to try to get fa millmiliar with it because ie it over and over again. >> what -- when you did see it to the extent that you could process what you were seeing emotionally, what did it mean to you? >> it was very disturbing. it was very heartbreaking knowing ahmaud had, like i said, from the very beginning that he ran. i didn't realize he had ran so long, but the testimony from the last couple days, it's just
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reassuring that ahmaud actually ran for his life. >> and what do you hope the jury sees in that video? >> i'm hoping that the jury see what the world see, is that ahmaud hadn't committed a crime. he was simply out for a jog. he did stop by that unoccupied home but again, ahmaud didn't commit a crime and ahmaud was chased and eventually killed. >> counselor, do you believe that the prosecution is going at this the right way thus far? >> i think what the prosecution has on its side is the evidence. they need to show the video. they need to show the body cam video. they need to show the words and actions of these defendants. they need to do that consistently and the more they do that, the worse it gets for these defendants. so long as they continue to put these images in front of these jurors, i think that's adequate for a finding of guilt on the
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charges they face. >> ms. cooper-jones, we told the audience early on we'd stay on the ahmaud arbery case all the way through because too often these efforts move out of the media spotlight and we'll follow the trial. we'll follow the verdict and we'll cover the ramifications. that's our job and i wish you strength during that process. i'm sorry for your lose. >> thank you. thank you so much. >> god bless. counselor, thank you. thank you for watching. "don lemon tonight" starts now. lemon? >> a strong woman. can you imagine, any mom going through that your heart has to go out to her. i can understand why she avoided the video for so long but much like in the -- and she said that. much like in the george floyd case, this is the center really of this case of getting that on videotape. >> i mean, if it hadn't been on videotape, look, even when they had on videotape was

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