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>> shout-out to my city. we got to do better. our babies won't survive if we don't. i want to see your child grow. i want to see you prosper. i want to see you do better. you can do better. hello and welcome to "cnn newsroom," everyone. i'm michael holmes. appreciate your company. coming up here on the program. victims mourned. a criminal investigation underway. and now, a lawsuit filed after a deadly concert crush in houston. after the infrastructure win, president biden turns to his build back better promise but he will need to break a standoff within his own party to make that happen. plus, guarding against extreme weather. what one country did long ago that's protecting lives in the era of climate crisis.
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live from cnn center, this is "cnn newsroom" with michael holmes. and we begin with new fallout from that musical festival in houston, texas, that turned deadly. a concertgoer who says he was injured at the event has filed a lawsuit against the rapper travis scott, entertainment company live nation, and the concert promoter. it seeks more than $1 million in damages, to be determined by a jury. authorities, meanwhile, have launched a criminal investigation. thousands of fans were pressing towards the stage, and we're now learning that scott continued to perform for nearly 40 minutes after first injury reports and for approximately half an hour after authorities had declared
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the concert a mass-casualty event. now, outside the venue, a growing memorial to those who were killed or hurt in the crush. mourners have been laying down flowers, photographs, notes, and candles. cnn's rosa flores picks up the story. >> it was a death trap, basically. >> reporter: more witnesses are coming forward to share their experiences at houston's astroworld friday night, where eight people died and hundreds more were injured. >> i checked his pulse. i knew he was dead and then i checked the people around me. and i just had to leave them there. there was nothing i could do. i had to keep going. >> reporter: another concertgoer, saying the mood noticeably shifted in the audience just before internationally-acclaimed rapper travis scott took the stage. >> as the time was winding down, you know, people became more rowdy and more antsy and just more standoffish is the vibe that i got. >> reporter: police also say that a security guard was
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pricked in the neck with a needle. prompting more questions about what was happening in the crowd. >> he went unconscious. they administered narcan. he was revived, and the medical staff did notice a prick that was similar to a prick that you would get if somebody's trying to inject. >> reporter: but scott maintains he had no idea about the severity of what was happening in the crowd as he continued his set. telling fans in an instagram video saturday night that he is devastated by what happened. >> at any time, i could make out, you know, anything that's going on. you know -- you know, i'd stop the show and, you know, help them get the help they need. >> reporter: it isn't the first time crowd-control issues have come up for scott who sells out concerts across the globe, and is known for his high energy shows. in this 2019 netflix documentary, a member of
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travis's team tells security guards about the anticipated rowdy fans ahead of one of his shows. >> the pressure becomes very great up against the barricade. you will see a lot of crowd surfers in general but also you see a lotd of kids trying to get out and get to safety because they can't breathe. >> reporter: in the past, scott has faced legal trouble for egging on fans at his shows. in 2018, scott pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct in arkansas according to the "northwest arkansas democrat gazette" after police say he encouraged people to rush the stage at one of his shows. two other charges including inciting a riot were dismissed and in 2015, scott pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor reckless conduct charge after encouraging fans to rush the stage at chicago's lollapalooza festival according to the chicago tribune. he was sentenced to a year of court supervision. in houston, a criminal investigation is now underway according to police who are urging concertgoers to contact them if they have information to share.
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the medical examiner's office, also, seeking help identifying this man, one of the victims in this tragedy. rosa flores, cnn houston. more concertgoers, meanwhile, speaking out about what they witnessed and endured during the tragedy. >> oh, definitely was traumatizing. i have never been in such chaos, like so unorganized and just so many people, like, slamming into me. like, there was -- it was just -- it was really hell. it was really hell. >> you could feel, like, everybody pushing up behind you. like, you couldn't move your arms, you couldn't breathe. you couldn't see anything. like you were seeing the back of really tall people's heads so when everybody was moving, there were like 15, 20 minutes where we weren't in control of our bodiesment like, we were literally moving with like the wave of the people and like it was very claustrophobic. >> i got separated from my friends and i got pushed in the middle. and when literally each song was going on, i saw like two people and they were literally behind me and everybody was moving out the way with a whistle and they were like it's a dead body, move
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out the way. it's a dead body. >> earlier, houston's mayor spoke to cnn about the state of the investigation. >> going to look at every single detail, looking at the site plans, the security plans. talking with the producers of this con -- of this concert, live nation. we want to visit with as many witnesses so if people have any information, please call that information in to the houston police department. we are waiting for the medical examiner's report. but that is the question. we want to know what happened? how it happened? and to make sure that we have all the details so such that this will not happen again. >> now, i want to bring in bob from los angeles. he is the music writer for the left set's letter. it's good to have you on, bob. you have written that this was a matter of when something happened, something like this, that it was an accident waiting to happen.
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you know the industry. tell me why you thought that. >> well, it's basically trying to create an environment where everyone can get up close and you can make as much money as possible. it's called festival seating. this is actually at a festival but they also employed arenas and other venues. i have been squished myself. so yes, and it has happened before. in europe, they have great barriers containing sections of the audience. whereas, this was basically a free-for-all. a document was filed with the city but it obviously wasn't adhered to. in addition, travis scott is obviously guilty of inciting crowds. he literally said to rage. so, whether he could literally see what was going on or not, he will be responsible, as will be the promoter. >> what -- so what sorts of -- in your experience, what sorts of planning and preparation issues normally go into an event like this that perhaps did not
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go into this one? >> well, when you have an event of this type, what you have to do is corral different sections of the audience with barriers. and especially, with a volatile, younger audience. this is done, certainly, in europe with metal concerts. we don't have really an equivalent famous festival here. we have coachella. it's more laid back. lollapalooza in chicago. it's more laid back. but people should have been on guard that this was going to happen and if you look at all the video. this was from the very first moment. the people crowded the gates, rushed the gates. they should have known what was going on. i mean, they just anticipated everything to be smooth so when things went bad, they were just not prepared. >> and -- and -- and when it comes to travis scott's show specifically, are they, let's say, more boisterous than other shows? >> all shows are boisterous. but it's responsibility of the
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performer to control the crowd. there is a lawsuit against travis right now at a gig in new york where he literally told people to jump off the balcony into the crowd and they would catch him. person was pushed and paralyzed. was a lawsuit. a court hearing about to start on that so you have to control the audience. i don't want to say ultimately the star can control everything but they are the ones with the power. it is also well documented, if you cut the electrical power, that always calms the audience. >> hmm. >> so, all the statements of, oh, well, we hate -- you know, we feel for the people. these people are responsible. the promoter is responsible and travis scott is responsible. >> and to that point, i mean, these festivals are huge moneymakers, aren't they? why, then, can't the promoters pay for more security because that's an issue as well, isn't it? >> well, there's two issues here. one, paying for it.
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two, getting it. there's the great resignation in the united states and around the world. it is very hard to get low-level employees to show up. i know i talk to promoters. they are book people and they literally won't show up. they are not paying much. it's like $15. you have to know that music promotion is a very low-margin business. they make their money -- promoters -- on these festivals because they pay a flat fee to the act. but this low-margin mentality permeates the entire business. they don't want to spend an extra dollar. this comes straight out of their bottom line. >> yeah. the profits are good for them. i mean, so often with events like this, bob, people say, you know, it was a freak event. everyone moves on. nothing fundamental changes to prevent a repetition. do you worry that'll happen again this time? or do you feel perhaps that there might be change? and what should they be? >> okay. there will be changes.
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but you have to understand we've hit peak festival. two or three years ago, there are always new festivals. turns out that not all can sell. so, the established festivals have been doing a good job. in terms of new festivals, it will be very hard to get permits and they will really crack down on those people. in addition, there will be barriers but what we see time and again with the who in cincinnati and in germany is people become lax and then the same thing happens over again because not only do you have to put the barriers, you have to pay attention to the crowd. these people are low paid, the security people. they're watching the show. you watch the video of this event with people crashing the vip gate. you know, i haven't talked to my friends in the business. they usually have a gauntlet before the gate so that people will be trapped. they didn't have any of this.
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and they were caught completely off guard. >> bob leftsets, a man with vast experience in the music industry. really appreciate you joining us. thanks so much. >> always great to be on. thank you. we'll take a quick break. when we come back, president biden scored a big win with his bipartisan infrastructure bill. but now, he faces an even bigger challenge on capitol hill. also, the u.s. throwing open its doors for fully-vaccinated foreign visitors after more than a year of strict travel bans. we will have details on the new rules for you, after the break. . so anyone who says lactaid isn't real milk is also saying mabel here isn't a real cow. and she really hates that.
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welcome back. president joe biden is fresh off a major victory in congress. lawmakers passing his $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill on friday. now, it came, of course, after weeks of delays and marathon negotiations on capitol hill. but now, the president faces an even heavier lift. convincing enough lawmakers to pass his larger social spending and climate bill. cnn's arlette saenz with more from washington.
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>> reporter: president biden is hitting the road this week to promote the newly passed bipartisan infrastructure bill. the president will be traveling to baltimore on wednesday where he is expected to talk about the ways that the bill will help improve the nation's ports, as well as issues relating to the supply chain. but while the white house is taking this victory lap when it comes to that infrastructure bill, they also still have a long road ahead on that larger social safety net spending bill that they are hoping to get passed in the coming weeks. they are waiting for that cbo score which moderates have demanded to see and analyze the pay-fors for this bill. but those moderates have said that they will vote for the larger package no later than the week of november 15th. so, we will see if they keep their word on that. once the bill -- if it passes the house -- it still needs to move onto the senate, where some senators like senator joe manchin have already indicated they want to see changes to the bill. one thing manchin takes issue with is the inclusion of paid-family leave in that larger
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proposal from the house. but take a listen to white house chief of staff ron klain, who expressed confidence that the bill still will pass. acknowledging that there will be changes. take a listen. >> i think this bill will pass the house when the house comes back. i'm sure the senate will make changes. that's the way the legislative process works but we are going to get a very strong version of this bill through the house, through the senate, to the president's desk and into law. >> reporter: now, as for that bipartisan infrastructure proposal, the president is planning on hosting a signing s ceremony here at the white house in short order. he will be inviting both the republicans and democrats who worked together to get that bill across the finish line. but open as they are celebrating that win, the white house still has a long road ahead when it comes to that larger spending bill they are hoping to get passed in the next few weeks. arlette saenz, cnn, the white house. the u.s. will re-open its borders in the hours ahead for fully-vaccinated international
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visitors ending a ban on foreign travelers that lasted many, many months. it's a welcome change for families separated by the pandemic and a sign of hope for the battered travel industry. cnn's richard quest reports. >> reporter: these are the routes that keep the global economy moving. for more than 18 months they've been painfully quiet. back at the start of the covid pandemic, then-president donald trump announced he was banning most travel into the united states. few would have predicted that ban would last for most of 2021, as well. most travelers -- some from the united states -- closest allies, barred from visiting. for loved ones, that means separated by borders. months of heartache. and for the airlines, it spelt financial disaster. >> we keep outlining the economic impact of staying closed and the human impact.
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so there is a lot of people haven't been able to visit family in the u.s., they haven't been able to reunite. you know, both countries have huge amounts of foreign investment going both ways and that is going to affected by this impasse. >> reporter: as covid levels ebbed and flowed and vaccinations began to be rolled out, the u.s. position did not change. much to the frustration of european leaders. the travel ban seriously harms vital economic and human ties at a time when they're most needed, tweeted the eu ambassador in washington. and americans were able to travel overseas. with some restrictions, like vaccination, testings, or quarantines. i'm a uk citizen, so i could fly from new york to london on jet blue's inaugural trip and it was packed. the return journey, because i am a green-card holder, i could travel, not so. >> because brits, even those fully vaccinated, are not
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allowed into the united states. well, this plane, it's about a quarter full. all in all, all change on monday. vaccinated travelers, finally, able to visit the land of the free. separated families. a moment to cherish. and for the global economy, a sign that things may be getting clos closer to normal. richard quest, cnn new york. still to come here on the program. former-u.s. president barack obama will take the stage at the cop-26 climate summit in the coming hours. what he's expected to say. that's coming up. also, the lessons of climate change. prepare for extreme-weather events. how one country took precautions long ago, so lives would be saved when the rivers flooded, again. ♪ it's the easiest because it's the cheesiest. kraft. for the win win.
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it is crunch time for critical climate talks in glasgow as the cop 26 summit enters its final week. negotiators are going to be focusing on how to finance the big pledges made by world leaders last week. former-u.s. president barack obama will also be in glasgow monday to deliver remarks at the summit. the speech will focus on progress that's been made since the 2015 paris agreement, which the u.s. signed onto under the obama administration. he's also scheduled to meet with young climate activists while in glasgow. now, one country that is taking action on climate change is the netherlands. long before heavy floods ravaged
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europe this summer, the netherlands took drastic action to reshape the land so people could live safely. cnn's phil black explains. >> reporter: germany's valley is striking and serene. soaring steep slopes covered with vineyards. we see the river flowing gently more like a stream. but everywhere, there is evidence of its unpredictable power. in july, the water here swelled suddenly. violently, swallowing homes and businesses in just a few hours. extreme rainfall devastated communities throughout this region of europe, killing more than 200 people. this video was taken from the top floor of a hotel and restaurant. >> here was the kitchen. the restaurant was there. >> reporter: today, much of that centuries-old building is gone.
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the damage was so great, it had to be torn down. >> a lot of people selling their houses, already. we do live with the climate change and this is the result. >> reporter: scientists, later, determined this rare-flooding event was made more likely by climate change. it's gone right through the floor. >> yeah. and then, in the first was something on my knees. >> reporter: leah is in no doubt. that terrifying night, watching the water rise higher than anyone remembers has changed her to this day. >> when it started raining a bit more, um, the emotions came up again and i start crying. and don't feel so comfortable in this situations. >> reporter: you scared of the rain? >> yeah. >> reporter: lea's community is now grappling with how, where, if to rebuild. how to live by this river now that risks of climate change are already here.
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>> not just things like this will take place in many different cities or countries because of the -- of the climate change. >> reporter: the waters flow north through germany, and eventually into the netherlands. a low-lying country with centuries of experience building dikes and holding back water. >> we know we are a very vulnerable country. if we want to protect ourselves by dikes, then on a daily basis, about half of the country can flood. >> hans boruwer says they have now realized dikes alone aren't enough. huge floods in the mid-'90s together with some of the earliest warnings about climate change inspired what was then revolutionary thinking. what if you could just let the rivers flood? let the water find its own space? >> we believed that giving space to the river, which means that you can accommodate more water
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without a raising level, then the damage can be controlled much better. >> reporter: the result is called room for rivers. a vast, long-term project reshaping the land to accommodate the extreme weather that comes with climate change. dikes have been lowered so land can flood more easily. some are now permanently open, allowing water to take over. transforming farmland into lakes and marshes. homes and businesses have been knocked down with only some rebuilt on huge mounds designed to sit above the worst floods. when the water comes, it takes the rest of the land? >> it takes the rest of the land. >> reporter: the project has grown with greater understanding about the changing climate but it's only possible through great selflessness. people have given up their land to absorb flooding, so riverside towns and cities will be safe. the waters -- the water's right there. >> yes, yes, yes. >> reporter: anika used to live
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next to a neighbor's farm. that farm is now a lake and flood plane. embracing the project, watching friends and neighbors leave, hasn't been easy. >> it's so complex. >> reporter: because you know other people have made sacrifices. >> yes, yes, and i saw the tears and the cryings. and, yes, it's -- it break my heart, you know? and this makes me emotional because it's a deep impact but i do it for the future. you know? for the young people. >> reporter: and she believes the netherlands is setting an important example. >> i am proud that we have -- give this area up for other people. the climate is changing, and we must, as kmucommunity, as peopl all over the world to do things. to make a future for our children. >> reporter: this project shows preparing in advance for climate change is hugely challenging, and often painful. but there are lessons in the flooding of the valley, too.
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vulnerable communities risk even greater loss and trauma if they wait too long to adapt. phil black, cnn, at germany's r river valley. coming up here on the program. we'll take you to beijing where china's communist party is set to elevate president xi jinping to a new level of supremacy. and later, nicaraguans head to the polls, even as some say the election is nothing more than a farce. the latest on the vote, when we come back. constipated? set yourself free with fleet. gentle constipation relief in minutes. little fleet. big relief. try it. feel it. feel that fleet feeling.
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welcome back. china's ruling communist party is kicking off a four-day plenary session. president xi jinping, expected to tighten his grip on power during the close-door session of
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the 300-member plus committee. cnn beijing bureau chief steven jiang joins me now to talk about this. another consolidation of power for the president. what does it mean for him going forward? >> reporter: well, michael, you know, the president -- his real power actually derives from his top position within the chinese communist party, which is why we are watching so closely this conclave of only a small group of people. mostly, old men. because of this top-down power structure within the one-party system, as illustrated by this graphic. even though this is the world's largest ruling party with over 95 million members. what really matters is the central committee and that's what's meeting here behind closed doors. and if you go up from there, the numbers get much smaller very quickly. culminating in the standing committee with only seven men and that is the nation's top decision-making body dominated by one man, xi jinping. now, this meeting is taking place as xi continues to
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reassert the party's dominance in every aspect of chinese life. not just in politics and military and foreign affairs but also in the economy, and even people's private life. and for weeks leading up to this meeting, we have seen state media really touting his achievements and using extravagant terms we haven't heard in years. building this cult of personality leading to this moment. now, during this meeting, they are expected to pass a so-called resolution on party history. this may not sound very exciting to most people but, previously, this had happened only twice in the party's 100-year history. on both occasions, it really cemented the undisputed supremacy of the party's leader at a time -- first, mao zedong. and now, only for the third time, xi jinping. so obviously, this is going to allow him to demand further loyalty from not only the party but the nation as 1.4 billion people as a whole and really paving the way for him to seek
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an almost unprecedented third term as the party's supreme leader a year from now. allowing him to really dominate not just chinese politics but the world stage for the foreseeable future, if not for the rest of his life. michael. >> yeah, incredible. steven, thank you. steven jiang there in beijing for us. nicaragua's longtime president is defending his country's election amid protests and widespread criticism that sunday's vote was a sham. but supporters of daniel ortega, who is all but guaranteed a fourth-consecutive term, flooded to the streets to celebrate. cnn's matt rivers following developments, and has more from mexico city. >> reporter: well, despite large sections of the international community calling these elections nothing more than a farce, presidential elections did go ahead as scheduled on sunday in nicaragua. featuring current president daniel ortega running for a fourth-consecutive term. we have some footage to show you today that features both daniel ortega, the president and his
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wife, and also the country's vice president, rosario morio, heading out on the streets on monday in nicaragua. but like i said, huge sections of the international community basically calling these results illegitimate. it was earlier-this month that the u.s. representative to the inter-american commission on human rights actually said that the nicaraguan election is, quote, nothing more than a sham. the canadian representative on that same body said the event that is taking place on november 7th is a parody of an election. and finally, we heard from the european union's chief diplomat on november 2nd who said that nicaragua's election is so, quote, completely fake that it would not be worth sending independent observers. all of these people are saying this because of what has happened in nicaragua over the -- the past several months going all the way back to june mainly when this targeted crackdown of opposition leaders, would-be presidential candidates for the opposition really began in earnest. at least a half dozen, likely
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would-be presidential candidates were they allowed to run for the opposition, have been arrested since june. basically, cleared the ballot for ortega to secure a fourth term. it's something that independent observers have said he did completely on purpose to clear the field of any would-be opposition using a vague national security law as justification for these arrests. so, despite these laelections going ahead on sunday as scheduled in nicaragua, many people looking at these results saying they are just 100% illegitimate. matt rivers, cnn mexico city. iraq's prime minister is vowing to pursue his would-be killers after surviving an assassination attempt on sunday. he convened an extraordinary cabinet meeting following the botched hit job at his residence in baghdad's green zone. so far, there's been no claim of responsibility for the attack which reportedly involved two drones armed with explosives.
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mr. kadami wasn't hurt but several members of his security detail were. a top african union representative has traveled to the capital of ethiopia's tigray region on sunday. former-nigerian president is seeking a way to resolve the conflict between ethiopia's central government and an alliance of rebel groups. an au source telling cnn that the body's peace and security council will hold an emergency meeting on the crisis in the coming hours. as diplomats worked in tigray, this was the scene on sunday in ethiopia's capital. thousands rallying in support of the government. protestors also chanting slogans critical of foreign media, including cnn. accusing them of spreading so-called fake news about the conflict. according to state broadcasters, it was the largest gathering since a state of emergency was declared on tuesday. for our international viewers, world sport coming up
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a trial here in the state of georgia in the u.s. continues today for three men accused of murdering ahmaud arbery. arbery was out for a jog in brunswick, georgia, last february when he was shot and killed. in her opening statement on friday, the lead prosecutor argued the defendants followed, cornered, and fatally shot arbery without any evidence he did anything wrong. >> all three of these defendants did everything they did based on assumptions.
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not on facts, not on evidence, on assumptions. and they made decisions in their driveways based on those assumptions that took a young man's life and that is why we are here. how do you know this was an attack on mr. arbery? because greg mcmichael said it perfectly. mr. arbery was trapped like a rat. that's what he told the police. trapped like a rat. >> meantime, the defense argued their clients -- gregory mcmichael, travis mcmichael, and william bryan jr. were acting in self-defense. they say they were trying to conduct a citizen's arrest, suspecting arbery burglarized a home in their neighborhood. >> it's tragic that ahmaud arbery lost his life. but at that point, travis mcmichael is acting in self-defense.
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he did not want to encounter ahmaud arbery physically. he was only trying to stop him for the police. >> the why it happened is what this case is about. this case turns on intent, belief, knowledge, reasons for those beliefs, whether they were true or not. were there good reasons to believe them? >> and deciding their fate, a nearly all white jury. 11 jurors are white, one black juror. prosecutors have accused defense attorneys of disproportionately striking black jurors and the judge actually -- actually agreed with that. now on capitol hill, congress passing president joe biden's $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill last week. that package including investments towards improving
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the nation's water and energy systems. also, roads, bridges, and broadband infrastructure. the president says the bill will also help tackle the climate crisis, and emissions will be reduced by building a national network of electric vehicle charging stations across the u.s. take a lis ten to what energy secretary, jennifer granholm, told cnn about this massive effort. >> the auto industry, itself, has said that they want half of their fleet to be electric new vehicles sold by 2030. this is a transition. right now, we're not there yet but we want to make sure one of the reasons people aren't buying electric vehicles to the extent that they could be is because there aren't charging stations. and so, there is a significant amount in the bipartisan infrastructure bill to build out that network. right now, charging stations are largely in places where electric vehicles already are so it's a chicken and egg. we want to fill that out. so rural areas, poorer areas have access to the fuel that's necessary. and then, in the build back
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better agenda there will be incentives to be able to purchase electric vehicles that will bring the cost down to the same level as gas-powered vehicles. >> joining me now, she is executive director of the san diego regional policy and innovation center. um, great to have you on. what's in this infrastructure bill for climate issues? and how much real impact could be made? >> thanks for having me, michael. there's a lot to like in this infrastructure bill that is very positive for, both, addressing -- um -- climate mitigation, which is reducing greenhouse gas emissions, and better protecting communities against the impacts of climate change. and a lot of the investments are in things that folks would recognize as infrastructure. roads, railways, water systems, power systems. and these are things where a lot of the ways in which the money is spent can be very climate smart.
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>> how can infrastructure changes or investments best help mitigate the u.s.' contribution to climate change? >> well, i think investments in our infrastructure where, um, the -- that we have high uses of energy through our infrastructure system. so, what many people don't know is that many of our water systems are some of our biggest energy users in public utilities, right? so, it requires a lot of electricity and energy to pump water and treat it. those kinds of basic upgrades to infrastructure that you might not see every day, but that you rely on, can have an enormous impact on our greenhouse gas emissions. the things that cause climate change. >> the -- the -- the public, by and large, is all for green energy and -- and mitigating climate change impacts, of course. and it is becoming cheaper to have renewables, as well. but -- but how big is the challenge, then, presented by the powerful -- you know, the lobbyists and the
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self-interested politicians when it comes to environmental policy? which despite what the public thinks, makes it harder to get things done. >> i think they're the same barriers that have been in place before this bill. many of them will remain in place after this bill. what's promising is that the amount of money being made available can really let us tackle transformational changes on our infrastructure systems and it's less of a zero-sum game. where there is a lot of lobbying to compete for small amounts of money. and so, i, for one, am very optimistic about the opportunities and less worried about the barriers at this stage. >> and -- and -- and the next bill that the president wants passed, of course, is that massive build back better legislation. it's going to focus even more on climate. but it also faces a lot more opposition, including from democrat senators like joe manchin, who of course is a big fan of the coal industry. how steep of a hill does that bill face? and how critical are the climate measures in it? >> well, the climate measures in
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that bill are absolutely critical. if you think about the infrastructure bill that just passed as the down payment on our climate future, the build back better bill is the long-term mortgage and our ability to invest over the long-term in shifting completely to something more climate smart for all of our infrastructure systems. you can't get there with just the down payment. and what's striking is the opposition is coming from states that have endured tremendous, um, impacts from climate change and also failures in infrastructure. flooding in places like west virginia is something that this bill is intended to solve. and so, i -- i think these bills must proceed in tandem and they really do depend on one another to be the most effective, um, investment in communities that we can have in the u.s. >> yeah. politics gets in the way of a lot of good ideas. i mean, between 2009 and 2019 i was reading cost of solar and
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wind power has declined by nearly 90% and -- and 70%, respectively. while many politicians and lobbyists protect fossil fuel use. do -- do you think it will be basic economics that ultimately has the biggest impact? the fact that clean energy is going to, quite simply, be cheaper? >> i think that will have a tremendous effect and the story around solar and wind is incredibly compelling. what i think we're hearing from a lot of folks when they are talking about infrastructure a real lack of imagination, right? investing in broadband can help us build better sensors for flood and fire risk. and those kinds of things aren't being taken into account when we are talking about what is a climate investment and what is not. and so, i think you are going to see tremendous innovation here and the opportunities are really, um, striking. >> we'll see how the real politic plays into it. thank you so much, as always. >> thank you, michael.
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nfl hall of famer, terry bradshaw, is slamming green bay packers' quarterback aaron rodgers for misleading fans. telling -- leading them to believe he had been vaccinated. >> i'd give aaron rodgers some advice. it would have been nice if he would have just come to the naval academy and learned how to be honest. [ cheers and applause ] learned -- learned not to lie because that's what you did, aaron, you lied to everyone. we are a divided nation, politically. we've a divided nation, on the covid-19, whether or not to take the vaccine. and unfortunately, we got players that pretty much think only about themselves, and i'm extremely disappointed in the actions of aaron rodgers. >> rogers missed sunday's game after testing positive for covid. cnn's nick watt with the latest. >> reporter: so the fallout has begun for aaron rodgers after his rather controversial interview on friday. and of course, testing positive
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for covid wednesday. having said that i have been immunized. he tested positive, and then came clean that it wasn't a vaccine. he had taken a homeopathic defense against covid-19. so, he has been a spokesperson for this wisconsin-based healthcare system since 2012. they have now parted ways. they have a vaccine mandate for its employees and is obviously very pro-vaccine and working hard to get as many people vaccinated as possible. so, having a spokesperson who advocates a homeopathic defense wasn't really a good fit, anymore. "saturday night live" also took a little pop at rogers on saturday night. take a listen. >> our first guest is an american brave enough to stand up and say, screw you, science. i know joe rogan. please, welcome nfl mvp aaron rodgers.
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>> hey, jeanine, it's great to be here. remember when i hosted "jeopardy"? >> and straight talk, aaron, because i never talk gay. did you ever lie about being vaccinated? >> i never lied. i took all my teammates into a huddle, got all their faces three inches away from my wet mouth, and told them trust me, i'm more or less immunized. go team. >> now, of course, rogers is a mainstay, a central plank in the green bay packers season and their attempt to get to the super bowl. he could not play sunday against the chiefs because of his positive test. now, he can, under nfl protocols, be back with the team saturday. so, that's the day before they take on the seahawks next sunday. will that be enough time for him to slop back in? well, we shall see. nick watt, cnn, los angeles. and if you didn't know, the packers without rogers lost sunday's game to the kansas city
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