tv Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter CNN November 7, 2021 8:00am-9:00am PST
hey, i'm brian stelter live here in new york, and this is "reliable sources," where we examine the story behind the story, and figure out what's rel rereliable. this hour the biden administration, can it build back local news better? we'll tell you about an important decision in that bill. plus, the important disconnect between politicians and voters. we'll talk with the author of "bad news." then mandates, conspiracies, what is stacking up at newsmax? what is going on at the far right cable channel? and then a flashback to one year ago today. think about what happened one year ago today and how it foreshadowed today's media divide. first, the difference
between a slogan and a story. right now it's in vogue to say the democrats have a messaging problem. maybe they do, probably do, but that's for candidates and strategists to figure out. that's not the media's problem. the media suffers from a different dilemma, the slogan versus the story. slogans are simple, they are seductive. infrastructure week is a slogan, cheerky one. it became a punch line for years and years. but it's just a slogan. the story about what all of the infrastructure money, what all of the funding will do, the story about rebuilding these roads and bridges and of the expansion of broadband, infrastructure week is just a slogan. we need to know about the story. there's a gop slogan out there as well, the bill is a monstrosity. this is a slogan republicans are using to attack democrats. but the story is the last republican president promised to pass an infrastructure bill and failed, so now they need the democrats to fail too. stories are complex. stories have historical context.
slogans erase all of that. parents' rights is a slogan. you know, it's this catchall term, we heard it constantly ever since the result of the election in virginia. but which parent? whose rights are we talking about? here's another slogan, critical race theory has become a slogan, an actual interesting and academic term has become a slogan, it has become a catchall phrase used to demonize, to weaponize. and, of course, activists who tried to make critical race theory into a national story, into a national slogan, they knew what they were doing. they were trying to create a boogieman, and it worked. stories make you think. slogans make you stop thinking. if i can teach a media literacy lesson in the wake of the elections this week, it will be about trying to tune out the slogans and get to the real story. the real stories are often
complex and messy and complicated. that's what makes them interesting. slogans, we can do with less of those. let's talk about the last week of coverage and what's coming up this week, that coax atkinson, that nashia ailed fred and senior correspondent at the grio and cnn senior political analyst. natasha, let's start where you analyze what's happening the past few days here, the aftermath of the election and where the are democrats moving forward? the democrats do probably have a messaging problem, okay. but what's the media's problem? it's a different issue than the democrats may or may not have. >> i think the media has a problem of trying to answer big questions by our deadline. >> interesting, okay. >> versus how life actually plays out. i think we also have a problem with taking slogans that were designed by political campaigns and parties with an agenda and being unintentional carriers of their agenda, right.
>> give me an example. >> what is parents' rights? i saw this great tweet by jemele hill where cbs asked, when is too early to talk about race? and jemele asked all of her followers, well, when was the first time you dealt with racism? and there were thousands of tweeted, many from black people saying when i was 4, when i was 5. so the framing is off here. we're talking about when is too early when for an entire demographic, this is reality from the day we're born. so who are we talking about exactly? i think the larger point is we fall into this trap, we're manipulated and we repeat the phrases trying to answer the critics put out there to berate the public dialogue. >> nicole, how do you see that? >> i agree with that and there's also a failure to reform. there was a poll that came back that 50% of the people had no
idea what is in the build back better bill. some of that is on consumers and media but it does suggest there's so much spoken energy, so much talk about horse race politics, so much of a spotlight on people like joe manchin and krysten sinema but not enough attention to inform people what is actually in the legislation. >> isn't that the democrats' fault? shouldn't the democrats complain what's in the sfwhil. >> democrats should explain the bill but journalists also have a role explaining what's in the bill about to be passed. the big problem with the democrats is not what's in the big but telling a story about what's in the bill. connecting emotionally with people about what's in the door. it seems like journalists have a role on the informational side of things. >> claire, this has to do with forms of media, television news versus deep dives on digital that are behind subscriber pay walls. sometimes if you're getting free or cheap news on the web, you're not getting the substance. you're not getting the in depth reporting.
>> that's right. i think all politics is marketing and there's a reason for that. it's about appealing to a broader range of people as you can. tv news is about explaining very complicated topics in very short segments. that in and of itself creates problems in that you can't explain things because the viewers are going to go off and ratings go down if you get into the weed of things. we've seen fox news be able to appropriate complex issues, portray them in very black-and-white terms and create very compelling television, where it's about crt or parents' bill of rights or fights between school boards and groups of parents on these groups of issues. i think it's fair for the news media to kind of look into what is happening in schools and what does crt mean, and what are kids being taught in schools? and i don't think it's just fox news looking at that issue. it's barry white, the former
"new york times" correspondent, former new york mag correspondent andrew sullivan who are also asking the questions about what is fair when it comes to accusations of racism and how crt is biden instilled. >> let me ask you about this and tell me if you agree. it seems like an obvious issue and every parent knows it about school and they are the pandemic. real issues about learning loss, real issues about school boards in particular. but there's also an apocalyptic narrative that comes from ride wing media, including fox, that is out of proportion and seems exaggerated. it seems to me, natasha, that both are true but it's redefined. crt is a real thing, academic studying for a living but now the phrase has come to mean something different in our political atmosphere. >> yes, and what's interesting is so many of these debates are old. >> oh? >> they're just rehashed. when i was a local news
reporter, some of the most intense stories were school board meetings and they were about busing kids from the city into the suburbs. these are america's issues with race and identity and the sort of this moral outrage that just gets repackaged for a new era. >> when the top issue was called education, the top issue is race. >> it is race and it's our job to provide historical context so readers just don't take that headline and say parents rights and then it becomes the debates about what the people versus the agenda that want us to debate, the larger picture that we should be aware of and also know about. >> it seems like a lot of frustration, discontent among democrats with the media right now. i see senator brian schatz on twitter saying the media needs to catch up to the story of the economy. the economy is really steamling back. i see a lot of criticism from the rank and file of the press
say the press is not understanding the seriousness of the bill, it's not celebrating biden's wins -- it's not our job to celebrate but we do need to provide the proper context of what's happening. how do you view our economy now? >> i think we gort forget peopl experienced the economy, not just through the media, but their own experience. we're absolutely not here to be promoters of the biden agenda in any way. we're supposed to be questioning it. so that's the first role of journalism. as you said, context is everything. there are some wins. but people go out, and they listen to headlines about inflation, they see supply-chain issues being brought up time and time again. they go to restaurants, and they pay more and wait longer and see staff shortages and that's how they experience the economy as well. i don't think you can put all of that on the media. >> also, we focus on the problems and not the solutions. whether you call that bad news bias like david lee ard did the
other week, it's just bad news now. >> and that gets ratings and clicks. >> some of the bias comes out of the gate too soon of the it was not even 48 hours after joe biden's election, is he failing us? it's like, okay, give it a moment. >> i have an idea about the economic reports. the preliminary reports, we saw on friday a massive revision about some of the earlier economic reports about the job so people hear the preliminary reports, it's treated like the end of the semester report card when it's really the first quiz of the semester, first term or something, and it gets stuck as the total result. >> and that's has particular consequences, particularly how television news covers elections. you get early numbers that don't mean anything, that are just gibberish that scroll at the bottom of the screen and people take from that they know where the election is going. only to have real votes come in
later and there's confusion. it misinforms the people who are watching. so there's a real imperative for journalists to really contextize the early numbers, not just react to the top line. to let viewers and readers know what it actually means, not just what it says in the raw numbers. >> everybody, thank you very much. much more coming up. coming up -- author of the new book that says woke media is undermining democracy. and, by the way, purge is the only accurate thing in his so-called documentary. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? >> tech: that's service the way you need it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ we're getting destroyed out there. we need a plan! right now, at t-mobile, customers on magenta max can get the new iphone 13 pro... and t-mobile will pay for it! upgrade to the iphone 13 pro... on us. you get more with aarp medicare advantage plans
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bhatia ungar-sargon is the author of the book, deputy opinion editor at "newsweek" and she's here with me now to talk through it. thank you for coming in. >> thank you very much for having me. its very brave to have me on. thank you for having me. >> it is, why? >> like you said, the word woke, people are really allergic to it now in the liberal circles and left wing circles. that's why i want to define it. >> yes, we should define it. what is woke, first of all? >> it is not woke to advocate fiercely for police reform. that's a global emergency. when there was a bill written about police form, that is not woke. it is something we really need, police reform. it is not woke to advocate for an equitable education decision. it is woke to be calling for defunding police. it is woke to be saying that merit-based education is somehow white supremacy. the word woke actually comes from sociologists, brian. it was appropriated after --
originally it was used as black slang in order to refer to things like systemic racism at the state level, again, something that is very important we talk about. but socialists noted something they called the great awokening. what they're talking about is starting around 2015, and this is something i'm sure you and your viewers noticed, what we saw is white liberals starting to have more extreme views on race than even people of color, the people of color that they're advocating on behalf of. they started to advocate for things like defund the police, we saw recently, and that is a view most closely held by highly affluent, highly ed caded liberal elites. while 81% of african-americans oppose the defunding of police. in my book i'm trying to explore where did that come from, where which great woke come from and why did it happen? what i'm finding is white african-american liberals using
the real pain of black americans to draw from the human good and ban of all races. that's the argument. >> and wa you spoke to the media right out in front. what is the who or what is the woke media? >> you tell me, brian, are we on woke media now? no, let's talk about people like "the new york times," "the washington post," npr, cnn. what they found was starting around 2011/2012 the absolute skyrocketing of the use of woke words like white privilege or marginalization or oppression. these companies started using these words when they went digital as a way of increasing their traffic and it created this feedback loop with the affluent white readership they were courting to where it shifted public opinion. >> you say it was trying to gain traffic. maybe it was just trying to cover america more accurately. >> that's a really great question.
are they just covering a rise in racism? >> not just rise in racism but recognizing marginalized communities, take ig the lives of all american lives seriously and not just covering one subset that usual glitz aly gets all o media attention. >> it is extremely important we cover state sponsorism where it exists. that's not what's happening. what we are seeing is a moral panic around race that is creating the very communities that we're supposedly advocating on behalf of. think about the difference between advocating for police reform, coverings issues of police reform and advocating for defunding the police, which is a view that is going to harm poor black communities more than anybody else. which is precisely why it is the one that is most popular. >> it went down in minneapolis. we're not seeing actual public for -- defund the police is a terrible slogan, but for the proposals behind that slogan.
we're not seeing public support for it. >> that's exactly right. >> what about the woke stranglehold you describe in the book? you say the media is in this woke stranglehold? again, what corners of the media and how do you get out of that stranglehold? >> that's a great question. i spend a lot of time on "the new york times" because in my book as a former paper of record, as i like to say, they get outside attention because they have an outside responsibility as a leader in the industry. what we really saw in "the new york times" again and again is personnel decisions being made to suit the very, very woke pressures of online mobs that were oftentimes created by their own employees. >> so liberal -- younger, liberal employees pressuring management to take certain actions, right, is that what that means? >> exactly, right. >> don't we also see these staffers are just trying to push for a place that will be a more perfect newsroom, more perfect newsroom, more perfect opinion
page? isn't that just the common tug of war that's happened for decades? >> what we're really seeing is that it influenced the coverage. it's not that some people want to have their say, it's literally they have imported these highly, highly specialized radical academic ideas and if you don't cue to these very radical, specialized ideas, you get thrown out essentially. we're not talking about debate here, but the ral calization of debates. >> how do we apply these to election results? we saw in virginia the republican prevailing over the democrat. in new jersey, democrat barely prevailing over the republican. how does this shape elections? >> i thought my book was really good advertising for this because my book for the arguments around wokeness is we're hiding a class. we're hiding the class of america that discuss incoming
inequality in america, by focusing on a very specialized academic language around race. i believe what happened, glenn youngkin's victory was a perfect example of this. the media's response to youngkin's victory is literally the reason they won, right? >> there's 100 medias, 100 reactions. you're being overly generalized, i think. >> let me get more specific for you. i have to admit, having watched cnn all week there's been a lot of very, very good again u flexion on this front. but what happened right after the election you saw host after host after host on msnbc say this is a victory for white supremacy. white supremacy wins ago. racism wins ago. when the lieutenant governor youngkin won with will be the first black woman to hold that job, when glenn youngkin managed to flip majority black districts, when he managed to get between 40% and 50% of latino voters, ever all of those people white supremacists? of course they're not.
people who are worried about number one, the economy. number two, schooling. it seems to me such a self-own to tell people who are worried about the economy that is white supremacy, right? you're essentially criminalizing the views of working class americans. you saw the same thing with the conversation around critical race theory, right? you saw all of these pundits being like these people don't know what critical race theory is. that is not a political statement. that is a class statement. they're not educated enough to be opposed to critical race theory, how dare they oppose it? >> this gets to your point in your book about journalists, certainly above-average columnists agree having above-average elements of education. in order to send in a resume to a lot of newsrooms, you have to have a college degree. but you suggest in your book that affects the news coverage, hurts the news coverage? >> oh, absolutely, we've seen this. you can trace the abandonment of the working class in direct proportion to the number of
journalists who are no longer working class, who are part of the educated elite. brian, do you know how many journalists today, what percentage of american journalists have a college degree today? >> 90%? >> 92%. >> i read your book. >> i'm very shocked and pleased. >> you shouldn't be so shocked. you shouldn't be so shocked. what i hope people take away is inequality and class divide because it permeates everything we're talking about, whether it's media, politics or election results. thank you for coming in. >> thank you for having me. up here after the break, overlooked stories from the past seven days. for example, how the u.s. plans to take on autocrats who are silencing reporters. you will hear what samantha power is announcing on that front. plus, the doj trying to ston a book world mega merger. how will it affect authors and how will it affect you? ll many . must be carried across all roads and all bridges. and when everyone is smiling and having their fun
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lay, welcome back to "reliable sources." now to four stories about biden administration actions that all relate to the news media at the local, action or global level. let's start with the biden administration's attempt to save local news with build back better. this is a proposal that is in the build back better act that has been proposed by lawmakers, promoted by lawmakers in both parties and supported by the biden administration. the idea is provide tax credits to struggling local newsrooms, provide credits for up to $25,000 in the first year and $15,000 in the next four years for each employee. with me now is one of the main advocates of the profession, steven waldman, co-founder of report for america. as of today, this provision is included and we will see if it
gets through the house, is that right? >> that's right. and the main thing to understand about this idea of tax credits for news is, i'm sorry to say, cnn will not be getting any of it. nor will msnbc or fox news or anything like that. it is for local news, the chattanooga free press and the wichita beacon, places like that. because that is where the big crisis is. >> the crisis has been evident for years. we've not seen actions from the federal government. so you've been pushing for this. why is it only happening now? >> partly because it's gotten so bad. we have 1,800 communities in america with no newspapers and thousands more with ghost newspapers, and it's become so serious that you have people unable to get basic information about their communities and they can't -- communities can't address the problems in their communities. >> this provision in the bill would make it easier for newsrooms to hire more people, is that the bottom line? >> yes, it's directly targeted
to local reporting. >> and republicans call this bailout, donald trump's been complaining about it. what do you say? >> for one thing, the underlying legislation was co-authored by a republican. it has 20 different republican co-sponsors. i think the reason is on the ground people know this is a very nonpartisan issue. this affects every community in america, and it's done -- i think this is really significant. a lot of journalists, including myself, are a little hesitant about the government getting involved in helping journalism. like we can see how that can go awry. but this is done in a really smart way. there's no government agency deciding who to give a grant to. it's just a tax credit. if you have local reporters covering the community, that's who's eligible. >> let me ask you one other story as well, going from this now to the department of justice, the doj filing suit to stop simon random house from acquiring simon & schuster. the big five to take down the
big four. they argue the combo would likely harm competition in the publishing industry. of course, publishers disagree. how do you feel? what will happen here? >> what's interesting to me the last 30, 40 years government antitrust policy asked one question, is it going to raise prices on consumers? the biden justice department asked a different question, they said, is this going to hurt writers? and actually i think relates to the local news question. we can suddenly imagine that antitrust policy may become important in the information world, in the media world. >> interesting. >> half of the daily news circulation in america now is owned by hedge funds. you can imagine what would have been different if the justice department had been looking at hedge fund buying newspapers and saying is this good for the community? >> full disclosure, i'm a simon & schuster author. i have no idea what will happen. i know they hired the same
lawyer that was part of the at&t case that enabled at&t to buy cnn. so we'll see what happens. steve, thank you very much. and now the third of our international stories involving the biden administration and media. first an announcement by the usied chief samantha powers, about a defamation by the global defense fund. it talks about trying to provide basically a release valve for all of the pressure that journalists are under when they write about oligarchs and autocrats. here's samantha explaining the idea at georgetown university. >> as a result we're launching a global defamation defense fund to protect journalists against lawsuits that are designed to deter them from doing their work. >> so providing legal support for those journalists. details are scarce, but biden may sure more during his democracy summit next month. and here's one more biden action that was probably overshadowed
by all of the election chatter this week. the commerce department accused an election company in israel accused of supplying spyware, in other words, cracking tools that can crack into cell phones, using these tools to argt cell phones of journalists and other. they are known for pegasus software, generally used to track criminals and terrorists and allegedly misused to snoop on phones in other countries. it was earlier this year "the washington post" and a consortium of other outlets published articles about nso saying it enabled countries to misuse powerful spyware. with us now is nicole perlroth, cybersecurity reporter for "the new york times" and author of the book "this is how they tell me the world ends." heck of a title. you have been writing about the misuse of this software. how significant is for the nso
to blackball a group? >> it's the furthest a u.s. president has gone to curb spyware abuse. in the past we've seen the president black list companies in iran and china and elsewhere. but this is a company in israel, that really the technology emerged out of unit 8200, which is israel's equivalent of the nsa and close partners in the u.s. intelligence community. it's a big deal. it signals it doesn't matter where you're based, if your technology is being used to abuse human rights activists and journalists and invade their privacy, the u.s. government will black list you. >> do we have reason to believe this is still going on today, maybe with other companies and other software? are journalists in daily danger of having their phones hacked and cracked? >> absolutely. just recently we learned that nso spyware had a zero-click capability. what that means is it can get into your phone without you doing anything at all. this is powerful spyware.
this is spyware that can track your location, turn on your camera, record your phone calls. it's a journalist's worst nightmare. we've seen it used to track journalists in mexico. we've seen it on the phone of their children, teenagers living inside of the united states. we've seen it on the phone of dissidents who had been beaten up, their passports had been confiscated. it's an absolute nightmare. it's a really powerful signal this week that the administration is willing to blacklist that technology but it doesn't go far enough. and so -- sorry, some house democrats have actually advocated we start applying human rights sanctions like the global magnetic c-act against those companies. >> by the way, what do you do with your phone? >> i don't click on anything. i take my most sensitive information offline completely. i have people i only meet in person. i'm too scared to drive this because i'm too scared of my car's gps navigation system and
i use pen and paper. you can't protect everything but you have to think about what are the things you really will go to extremes to protect, and for those things i really recommend people take additional measures. in my cases it means using the personal means. >> wow, thank you very much, nicole. and speaking of two pieces of paper, today's "the washington post" biden's infrastructure bill competing with attention about the january 6th attack. a look in order and step backward all at the same time. we're going to get into it next. [uplifting music playing]
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we reached an historic moment in this election. we can now project the winner of the presidential race. cnn projects joseph r. biden jr. is elected the 46th president of the united states, winning the white house and denying president trump a second term. >> cnn was the first network to make the projection based on new data from pennsylvania, and all of the other major networks followed within minutes, fox the slowest, but everyone affirmed the victory. when i went back and rewatched the coverage from this hour this day last year, there was one moment that was a glimpse into the funky future. it was that guy, rick santorum, telling cnn viewers a report from the republican point of view, we're not convinced it's over yet. santorum said he knew there were a lot of folks in the white house who were going to keep fighting to, quote, overturn this. it was like a foreshadowing of
the big lie and it happened within 15 minutes of biden becoming president-elect. now one year later, you know santorum is no longer with cnn. he's joined a new network. guess which one? this week he climbed aboard newsmax, the very same network that ignored the reality of last november's projections and he joined on the very same week newsmax was sued for defamation by one of the voting technology companies that was attacked over and over again last year and accused of rigging the election for biden. one day maybe, maybe through the courts, maybe there will be consequences for the big lie. but for now, maga media is trying to erase the history, trying to erase the shameful things that happened between november 7th and january 6th. they're trying to purge it from memory, which brings me to that guy and a patriot purge. that's the same of tucker carlson's streaming show that stokes conspiracy theories and
riots denialism. nicole watched the whole thing and she's here for denierisms on the right and here to explain it to us. nicole, the promo for tucker's special got all of the attention and now it's streaming online. you watched it all. what did you learn? >> it really was a next-level approach to january 6th. he blames the federal government, so the fbi and agents provocateur for the violence on that day. he said trump supporters were nonviolent during the january 6th insurrection and basically says it was all ginned up, all of the society felt all of the outrage was ginned up on purpose in order to persecute and prosecute trump supporters. >> as we talk, we're going to show politifacts fact check. it's really impressive. they went through point by point all of the delusions in this special. but let's talk about the political significance of it. they're not just trying to
rewrite history, they're trying to erase it. we're at the point where the gap between trump's america and the rest of america when it comes to understanding what happened on that day cannot be bridged, am i right? >> absolutely. it was actually a kind of surprising special not only because it was so stuffed full of conspiracies but they're also kind of rewriting the right's history with the war on terror. the big framework for this special is that the first war on terror was terrible, and the second war on terror against trump supporters is even worse. >> so, in other words, the bush administration's actions in the wake of 9/11 were all wrong, all awful, forget that was the republican party. here's the new republican leader tucker carlson saying there's a new war on terror against half the country. just -- it's so extreme, and yep rube ert murdoch and lachlan murdoch allow all of this. it makes them money. >> it does. and it also continues to move the republican party forward in a direction towards where i
think donald trump would be very happy for it to end up by 2024, where january 6th denialism just becomes part of what it means to be a republican in the united states. and tucker carlson, who is the most-watched cable news host in the united states, is putting forward this even more extreme version of what happened that day. >> and all within a year of the actual event, the actual attack. nicole, stick with us. more in a moment. just when you thought vaccine disinformation couldn't get any crazier, in comes newsmax's white house correspondent. you have to see this to disbelieve it, okay? i'm covered for everything. which reminds me, thank you for driving me to the drugstore. earn big time with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. with 0% parabens... sulfates... ...and dyes. tresemmé's pro pure collection lets you style without compromise.
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meantime, news max is going to implement a vaccine mandate. they say we have to do it. we have no choice. some of the hosts there say they will resist. they are standing up against their company's teary. i don't know. back with us, claire atkinson, natasha alford and nicole hemmer. the this is interesting, claire, a federal judge issued a stay on the osha rule. newsmax is doing what fox did months ago saying you've got to get faxed or get tested. now the hosts are going to stand up against the network. >> this is pro live rating not just newsmax, but also at cumulus with dan bon gino, he's off air. nobody knows when he's coming back. advertisers wondering if they get their money back. >> daily wire ben shapiro suing the biden administration right
now. >> quite frankly, the newsmax story is so unbelievably shocking, they are in like weekly world news territory here. remember the tab loit that would talk about elvis being alive and the fact that the white house correspondent is tweeting about a bioluminescent marker in the vaccine just begs belief. you wonder how the columnists at newsmax working with someone that can tweet such garbage. >> natasha, am i part of the problem because i just said it. >> we have to fact check as if our lives depend on it, as if our jobs depend on it because they do, but also because many of our readers encounter stories for the first time. maybe they haven't been following a story.
we can't make assumptions that there's important information that we can leave out. you understand what i'm saying? this aaron rodgers story. i think about all these folks. their hope is they're seen as heroes, that they're protecting liberty and democracy and these higher order values. if you can make the story about that and not the science of getting a vaccine or what is actually in the vaccine mandate, then you feed into again their agenda and their hope about what the story is. >> increasingly, nicole, the story is the vast majority of americans are now vaxed, out getting boosters and the aaron rodgers of the world are outlier cases. >> they are. they're the ones that get all the attention. that's the big problem because we're not seeing the stories of people whose lives are going back to normal or who have b benefit friday the vaccine
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a brisk autumn sky. congratulations to elise and oliver as they head off on their honeymoon. our podcast has a conversation with brian rosenwald about right wing media's impact on elections. and then an all new "this is life" with lisa ling exploring chicago and the narratives about violence there and how they compare to reality in the city. that's tonight on cnn. we'll see you right back here this time next week. done deal. president biden is ready to break ground on his infrastructure bill. >> finally, infrastructure week. >> but as moderates hold the line on his social safety net bill, can he deliver that, too? i'll speak with energy secretary jennifer granholm and house moderate democrat josh gottheimer. and new playbook? republicans made gains with