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we can't release all the information. >> you said 200,000. >> can you repeat your question, please? >> again, there is no outdoor venue capacity. what we did is applied the internal assembly fire code and did the calculation based on that. it's very conservative. the capacity based on the footprint that was going to be used, they could have had over 200,000. no, no, what i'm saying is that's based on the math, based on the assembly fire code calculation, they could have theoretically had over 200,000 people, but it was limited to 50,000 and we verified that based on or we tried to get assurance of that based on the number of ticket sales they had. so again, it was a wide open
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venue. we, the planning included two separate stages to try to subdivide those crowds. but again, it's the, it was a crowd control at the point of the stage that was the issue. that caused the issue. especially as the crowd started to surge up towards the stage. that's what we're going to be keying on in regards to the investigation. yes, ma'am. hold on. yes, ma'am. >> this is in regards to ems and also the kind of ems -- to administer right then and there onsite. were additional ambulances needed to come in then i just want to -- we also saw struggling to get to the crowd.
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was it hard -- trying to help get to the -- >> let me answer your first question first. all our units are completely equipped with all the life safety and life saving equipment. they have defibrillators. even the first response vehicles. so from our perspective, from the houston fire department's perspective, we had the right equipment. the, i can't speak about the equipment that the third party medical component had. i can't speak to that right now. but certainly when we responded, we responded with you know, fully equipped and prepared to assist. there's always an issue with access into need crowds, especially when there's a surge. we work collaboratively with security forces or security components that are there to ensure we can gain access, but it's also an issue in these large events. >> let's get a few people who
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haven't had the opportunity to ask any questions. go ahead. [ inaudible ] >> at the stage when the event had not begun, at that point, you had the people outside. why didn't -- try to figure out -- >> yeah. yeah. >> what action was taken? >> one person at a time, please, ma'am. look, there are breaches. there are major breaches that shut down a program. a concert in this thing. there wasn't a major breach scenario, there was something we quickly got under control. did we like any breaches? no, we don't, but that's part of the whole review and process.
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the mayor said we're not going to cover up anything. we want to look at everything we did right, but more importantly, what was done wrong. learn from it and move forward and continue to pray for thiese family members. one more question. he hadn't had one. sorry. i'll get you. that's not true what i saw people get out. there wasn't a problem. let me say we'll look at it, but i haven't heard that. chief, i don't know if you have. >> again, right now, this is still an -- as far as the investigation. i know that the means of egress, the doors to get in and out of the that venue, that was not an issue. you're talking about in the, within the, yeah, so we're going look at that as far as the design, whether the design was
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adhered to in regards to the layout, to the plan that was submitted. so all those things will be part of the investigation. >> there are videos of people climbing up on stage trying to stop the artist performing, telling the camera men to stop. are those people going to be questioned? >> that's a part of it and you know when we grabbed the video, if we saw somebody that did something dangerous and broke the law or something, that's going to be something that we're going to address, but again, we don't get the video until sometime this evening or later on tonight. they promised us that. once we get that and have some time to go through it, at a later date, update everybody. >> you've been listening to authorities updating us on the deadly stampede at a concert in houston last night. at least eight people are dead. scores more are injured after fans rushed the stage during a
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promise by rapper, travis scott, at the astro world music festival in houston. the crush of people squeezing other audience members who had nowhere to go. video from the sold out event shows the moment the performer pauses and looks on in confusion as an ambulance moves into the densely packed crowd of about 50,000. we just learned that two of the dead are teenagers. ages 14 and 16. the houston mayor says five of the other victims are in their 20s. actually, i believe six of the other victims are in their 20s. he calls it an active investigation, warning people to be aware of false rumors circulating on social media. joining me now, an eye witness to the tragedy that unfolded.
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billy attended the festival. thanks for joining us. tell us what happened and what you saw. >> can you hear me? >> yes, we can hear you. >> basically, my name's billy. i was in the crowd. people were getting trampled. they were losing their balance and tripping over the people on the floor. the people were just dying left and right. about 15 minutes after travis came on the stage and just got worse. they were shoving. the barricades couldn't accommodate all the people that were there. it was too small. it was a death trap, basically. >> a death trap. and what was that like for you to be caught in the middle of that? >> everyone usually always helps out, but in this time, people were basically fighting for their lives. i was trying to pick kids up that were getting stomped on and i picked up some kid that his eyes rolled in the back of his head. i knew he was dead and i checked the people around me, there was
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nothing i could do. >> so even in the midst of the chaos, you were trying to help someone else, check their pulse. there was no pulse. what was going through your mind as this was all unfolding? >> it was really frustrating. i wanted the music to stop and everyone around me to realize what was going on, but people didn't have very much very much self-awareness. kids were going crazy and partying and weren't paying attention to the bodies dropping behind them. >> kid ydid you feel like as ths unfolding, you're trying to help the situation, that there was enough security guards or people there who were supposed to be jumping in at moments like this to contain the situation? >> there wasn't enough security guards and there wasn't enough emts or people helping out the crowd. the paramedics couldn't even reach the crowd. i was trying to lift kids out of the crowd that wouldn't be reached and the ambulance got there about 30, 45 minutes after i saw ten to 20 die.
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they're reporting only 11 people died, but we saw over 100 bodies on the ground at least. >> right. and we have eight people died according to officials that just spoke at this press conference. all the ones we know about, all under the age of 30. there's still one unknown. we don't know the age of that male. 13 people still hospitalized. did you fear for your life, did you think you were going to die. you described it as death trap. >> the first time, i just felt bad for them. i didn't know what to do. younger kids, they don't know what to expect. what i would tell students, in reality is how we thought it could be. it's very dangerous. >> so you said you'd been in similar situations but have you
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ever seen anything like this before? where just the intensity of the surge and the crowding and so forth? >> this was like the 9/11 festival. i was in miami and seven people died, but it was nothing like this. kids were dropping left and right. like i didn't know what to do. there was no way to help them. no exit and everything was just blocked in. everybody was getting sucked in like a black hole, basically. >> were people yelling anything to give a clue? i know it was hard to hear because the music was playing, but was there any clue as to what may have happened here? >> we were yelling at the camera guys, the light guys, the sound people, and like basically to alert them to alert travis to stop the festival. travis saw there was an ambulance, i'm not saying it was his fault, we looked like ants in the crowd to him. >> wow. do you have any other idea as you try to process what you just
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experienced, billy, what may have gone wrong here? we heard one of the officials say at the press conference that this venue had 50,000 people. it could hold more than 200,000 he said, based on estimates from the fire marshall. do you have any sense of why there was this surge? >> the surge happened because everyone wanted to get up to the front, just get into the mosh pit. didn't realize they were pushing to the front that people had nowhere to go. they were basically just pushing people to death. they just caused so many unnecessary deaths to kids that just wanted to see travis and be close to him. >> what do you think should have been done differently? >> they need to open up the barricade and parking lot so it's way bigger so we have lots of space to maneuver. they need to have paramedics in the club, moshing with the kids, handing out water. keeping kids up. basically life guards above the
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guard searching and looking, helping pull kids out before. it's a nightmare. it was really like hell. it was like hell. people were screaming for their lives. >> it's just awful. is there anything you want to add about your experience and about what you saw at this music festival? >> i just want to say the fault isn't on travis. it's on the organization, the festival, the security. the security was just watching this. they weren't pulling anybody over and helping. some of the security were laughing. like, it was -- >> do you think they fully understood what was happening because it's obviously -- >> they didn't. when i jumped out of the pit to go alert all the other people, they didn't believe me that people were actually dying left and right. what was happening is bigger kids that couldn't help themselves up, people couldn't lift them up. there was a lot of bigger kids
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that fell on to the ground and couldn't get up and people were just trampling over them. i tried to pull this kid, his eyes were in the back of his head. i knew that the kids were dead. >> everyone was just so young. the list we have, eight people killed under the age of 30. it's just awful. billy, thank you for coming on. i'm so sorry you had to experience this, but thank you for sharing your story to help us better understand how this could be prevented in the future. >> thank you. they need to get a team of paramedics in the crowd and i'll be there to help if they have another festival, but i don't see them having another festival ever again. >> i don't blame you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> rosa flores is in houston and was at the press conference. tell us what officials said about reports of someone injecting people with drugs. >> you know, this is very, very troubling. you're exactly right.
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officials here saying that there's a report of a security officer who felt a prick in his neck. he was treated with narcan then revived. here's what the hpd chief had to say about this. take a listen. >> we have a report of a security officer according to the medical staff, that was out and treated him last night that he was reaching over to restrain or grab a citizen and felt a prick in his neck. when he was examined, he went unconscious, they administered n narcan. he was revived and the medical staff did notice a prick similar to one you would get if somebody was trying to inject. >> they said several individuals were treated with narcan.
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they said narcotics and homicide divisions are part of this investigation. initially, they were just investigating whether there was enough egress for people to exit and also what was causing the crowd to get twords the stage. narcotics and homicide are also part of this investigation and we learned the ages of the individuals who died. between the ages of 14 and 27. there is one individual that the age has not been released but officials here talking about just how tragic this is for all these families. the artist of course, the artists here that were at this concert are followed by young people and that's what officials say is to tragic because there were a lot of young people in the crowd. we learned earlier from texas children's hospital that more than one child had been
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transported to the hospital. we learned that five children under the age of 18 were transported. a total of 25 people were transported and pamela, 13 individuals still remain hospitalized. we don't know their conditions. but earlier on, officials had warned that the death count could increase because these individuals were transported in critical condition. >> just to think the youngest victim as far as we know, 14 years old. and we're still waiting to find out about the age of one of those that died. a male, we're told, by authorities. you have been talking to eyewitnesses all day, what are they telling you? >> you know, they describe the intense moments when the crowd started swaying. i talked to several individuals who were very close to the stage. they said it was very difficult for them to breathe. one of them who was a little taller, about as tall as i am, said that he was able to breathe because he was taller, but some of his friends were shorter so
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the shorter people who were in this crowd were having a lot of difficulty breathing. they also showed us their shoes, pamela. because that's how close everybody was. they described as being sardines inside this venue. well you looked at their shoes and they were completely black, d dark. some witnesses described seeing people on the ground, trying to help as they could. they also described as medics were helping. one individual, actually two, described how travis scott stopped playing several times, two to three times, and pointed at the crowd, at areas where people needed medical attention. it was after the second or third time these two individuals described, that's when the situation escalated. that's eventually when this
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concert was stopped. i should add, pamela, that overnight, one of the officers that was on the scene described when they finally said, okay, this has to stop. this officer said there were multiple people on the ground in cardiac arrest needing medical attention. needing other kind of medical attention. that's when they called the promotors and said this needs to stop. and we do have more from one individual who told us that he was there and has more on what the scene looked like. take a listen. >> it was over two hours. just got worse and worse. everyone's like, just can't breathe. feel like there was -- >> it was so hard to move your arms. so hard to breathe. i was pushing in front of me just to get a breathe. just breathe. >> i just remember looking up, passing out, then i was in and
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out for a little while. i didn't see anything but i kind of could feel what was going on. someone pulled me over a fence and i was sat in a chair and then i passed out again and when i woke up, i was in a different area in a chair with a water bottle in my lap. >> the individuals that i talked to were counting their blessings today after they learned that eight people had died and now we've learned that the ages of those individuals between the ages of 14 and 27. pamela. >> rosa flores, thank you so much. for bringing us the latest there. and coming up, tonight, a major test of the biden presidency in a much needed victory. democrats finally agree on a massive infrastructure spending deal. also ahead tonight, cnn exclusive report, confusion, frustration, and terrible timing. we're going to tell you what was going on behind the scenes right
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from roads and bridges to environmental clean up, it is the single largest investment in public works in the nation's
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history and also after weeks of delay, the longest ongoing vote in the modern history of the house. >> this is something that's long overdue. that long has been talked about in washington, but never have been done. there will be jobs in every part of the country. red states, blue states, rural communities. tribal communities. this is a blue collar blueprint to rebuild america and it's long overdue. >> suzanne malveaux is on capitol hill and ar llette is ap white house. walk us through what it buys for taxpayers. >> you know democrats were under a great deal of pressure to prove that they can get something done. we saw a lot of lawmakers tweeting, giving themselves a pat on the back and saying what it is that's inside of this their constituents get. so if you break it down, you take a look at the $1.2 trillion
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package, about half of that is new. 110 for roads and bridges. electric grid updates. billions for broadband and money for transportation. fixing pipes, improving water quality. airports. you've got a big component, there's a climate change protections and even some grid updates as well as the chance to upgrade and broadband. now this was, pam, a very messy situation. it was a really difficult day i think for many of the democrats who went back and forth, back and forth. ultimately it was about 12:42 in the morning when they finally were adjourned. they had that passed. the final vote was 228-206. they were 13 republicans who voted for it, breaking mostly party ranks there and it's a familiar group that you see there. they are people who are retiring or who have been voted to impeach the president.
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who really bought the party in the past and then you have those six democrats who did not vote for infrastructure and those are the progressives, those who held out the origin also called members of the squad there. their original position and they stuck with it is that they had to vote at the same time for the bipartisan infrastructure package as well as the big back better bill, the larger social spending economic package. they said it had to go together. ultimately, that did not happen. their caucus chair the progressives representatives jayapal struck a deal with some of the moderates that said we need a scoring from the congressional budget office of what this bill is going to cost before we vote for it. she got an assurance that she feels they will support it eventually once they get that scoring and that's why she and members of the caucus voted for it and they ended up with that. >> it was quite the roller
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coaster of a day. thanks for laying that out for us. there maybe time to celebrate as the white house and congress move on to passing the larger social spending plan, which was bogged down. does this provide any momentum pushing this closer to passage? >> the white house is hoping that congress came together to act once, that they will come together to act again a second time and today, president biden as he spoke here at the white house with reporters said that he was confident that that larger $1.9 trillion spending package, that that will pass before the house and senate. but of course, there are questions about the future of that bill. to vote for that bill around the week of november 15th, but there are some who are concerned about whether moderates will actually follow through with that promise. even if it passes the house, it's expected to have changes
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from senator joe manchin, one of those key moderate holdouts this white house has spent a lot of the time according as they are trying to get closer to finalizing this bill. the president today was confident that it would pass even though it still appears to have a long road ahead. of course there's a larger spending package that's going to be running up close to the government funding deadline to the debt ceiling tight. there's a lot congress is going to squeeze in. >> thank you so much. we'll be right back.
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aaron rodgers is now passing the blame for all his unvaccinated covid drama. just days after testing positive for covid and being benched against the chiefs, he is now a admitting he's unvaccinated and blaming quote, the woke mob for all his troubles and he's getting advice from joe rogen. it was rodgers who mislead the media and fans about his vaccination status, now he's blaming the media. >> he's blaming a lot of people, but not himself at all. he's even saying it must have been somebody who was vaccinated who infected him. he's blaming the quote, woke mob
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and media for what he say was shaming and getting off on outing people who were unvaccinated. he said they created the conditions that led to him back in august saying i've been immunized. not with a vaccine, he say he's allergic to something, he said he received a homeo pathic treatment that created a defense against covid. expe experts say that's unlikely to be true. >> vaccines do offer some protection for sure. but there's a lot we don't know about them. you've gotten covid and recovered from it, that's the best boost of immunity you can have. i consulted with a now good friend of mine, joe rogen after
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he got covid and i've been doing a lot of the stuff that he recommended in his podcasts and you know, on the phones. and i'm going to have the best immunity possible now. >> actually, the best immunity according to the science, is to be vaccinated. he's taken ivermectin and some other drugs and there's no proof they work to treat covid. he also attacked the nfl saying their covid protocols were not rooted in science and went on to make a bunch of claims that were nowhere near science. he also invoked martin luther king or the great mlk as he put it by saying we have a moral obligation to object to unjust rules. very, very different situations. anyway, you know, he's going to be okay. he had mild symptoms for a little while, but if you listen
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dysfunction within the democratic party? >> yeah, i think so. this really is the democratic process. i think we've lost our muscle memory about what dysfunction really is. this was a long and hard day, but not the worst day this year. we saw dysfunction earlier this year. in fact, we dealt with it for four years. this was a public debate. people airing their differences. arguing with one another very often then finally at the end of it all, coming together in passing really ground breaking legislation. so while in some ways it can be depicted as dysfunction, it is the ultimate functionality of a democracy for us to argue with one another and then eventually have that argument lead to unity and that's what we had last night and it's going to deliver big results for the people all across the country. >> it is a big win. this was bipartisan. you had republicans signing on. not only in the senate, but in
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the house. but at the same time, this was the longest ongoing vote in modern history of the house. but now the focus of course is looking forward. it is on to the larger social spending bill. on friday, the president celebrated a better than expected jobs report. 531,000 jobs added in october. if the economy is strongly rebounding and given what's going on with inflation, does america need a massive social spending bill? >> we clearly do. what we need to do is build on the momentum that we have in the economy right now. we can't ignore the reality that even though we're recovering, thanks to the great work of this president, 4.6% unemployment, over 600,000 new jobs a month, but we've got some distance yet to travel to be as competitive as we possibly can be. so while infrastructure helps us be more competitive, be more productive, compete in a global economy, so does making sure
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that we have access to affordable childcare so that people who have to hesitate as to whether or not they can re-enter the workforce won't have that hesitation. making us more productive is really what both aspects of this agenda is all about. in some, in some aspects, it's about hard infrastructure. in other pieces of it, it's about empowering the most productive workers in the world to actually use their productivity without having to be concerned about what's going to happen with their children while they're at work. this is really a big agenda. and it will build on this economy. we can grow the economy even further and that's what we hope to be able to do with both aspects of the president's agenda. >> this week, democrats were delivered a jolt in virginia. the commonwealth. a state joe biden won by ten percentage points. a republican came from behind to win the governor's race tuesday as you well know. i spoke to a decisive demographic, white suburban moms
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and they say democrats bumbled the critical issue of education. take a listen to what they told me. >> they really didn't listen to parents. parents, we were sitting there talking and trying to have reasonable conversations with them, educated conversations. we were coming in, doing our research saying hey, this is happening, how can we do this together? and they dismissed us. >> to be clear, they said their issue wasn't about some of the other things like critical race theory and mandates. it was about not being listened to when it came to school closures and learning loss. one year until midterms, will democrats be accused of not valuing education again or do you think this is something democrats learned from? >> i think democrats clearly stand on the side of education. we're the ones who do everything we can to invest more in education. we have to fight republicans every day.
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many of whom want to e liminate the department of education. i was a school board member. i understand the what the mom being interviewed there was saying. parents want to be heard. we're listening. but i think we have to put our money where our mouth is and i think we actually also have to do a better job of explaining what our policies are. and so you know, that election was a disappointment. in virginia. there's no two ways about it. it was not inconsistent with historical patterns, but still, it was a loss we can have potentially won and we didn't win. and so we can't sugar coat that. but i think the more important message to me is that we've got to get out there and talk to people and listen to them, understand what their needs are and explain to them how what we're trying to go with this agenda by providing early childhood education to every kid in america really does address the needs and worries that they have. >> congressman dan kilde, thanks
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so much for joining us. we appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. still ahead, a cnn exclusive report on what was going on behind the scenes in capitol police intelligence right before the january 6th riot. we'll be right back. people everywhere living with type 2 diabetes are waking up to what's possible
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about two months before the january 6 riots the u.s. capitol
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police hired two outsiders to overhaul the operation. sources tell cnn confusion and frustration followed and the timing couldn't have been worse. whitney wild has this exclusive report. >> reporter: in the days after the january 6 riot, inside of the unit that helped prepare capitol police security plans that day, there was outrage. i'm filled with anger and frustration, one employee wrote to capitol police leaders on january 9th. we have been reporting for weeks that patriot groups are commenting on social media the intention to storm the u.s. capitol with overwhelming numbers. i hope this information was briefed with the veracity it deserved it. >> it has been suggested that the department was either ignorant of or ignored critical intelligence, there was no such intelligence. >> reporter: capitol police breakdowns have been well
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documented but now cnn has obtained internal documents and interviews that show frustrations and confusion in the intelligence division after the department brought in two outsiders to overhaul the unit just two months before the riot. >> implement is clahange is difficult. the intelligence section, obviously you have a unit understaffed and undertrained and so it would take time to bring them up to speed. >> reporter: sources say after jack donahue and julie farnham rived, changes and priorities happened rapidly and without enough training, sources tell cnn the new demands scrambling a unit already struggling after years of inspector general reports of dysfunction. it would have been impossible to catch what they should have, a source told cnn. >> it was a time when, you know, making changes like that is
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something that obviously would give you some pause as to whether or not that is the right time to do it. >> reporter: threats against members of congress spiked in 2020. those cases became the highest priority. analysts were asked to expand their skillset and insisted leaders offer training. these changed are essential even if certain individuals on the team do not embrace them. thursday julie farnham appeared before the house select committee investigating january 6. they are examining this as part of the sweeping probe into the day but the source declined to pro provide details about the nature wlaf was discussed. cnn, washington. >> a houston music festival in chaos. officials are investigating reports someone in the crowd was, quote, injecting other people with drugs. we'll be right back with more.
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