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good evening, and stop me if you've heard this one before, but at this moment, the scramble is on again to round up enough house democratic votes to pass president biden's social spending and infrastructure bills. two days after a punishing election made even more punishing perhaps by perceived democratic dysfunction, party members now appear close to a vote, first on the so-called build back better social spending bill and then the bipartisan infrastructure bill. nancy pelosi wanted the first part done by now, but it is still in flux. she is famous for not bringing bills to the floor without having the votes. the holdouts are mainly moderates. the white house has gotten involved with the president making phone calls himself. it's a busy night tonight as both ends of pennsylvania avenue. we expect it to be a long one as
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we bring you the details in the hour ahead. again, with a lot depending on what moderate house democrats decide to do, i spoke with one of them, josh scottheimer. congressman, i appreciate you being here. is there going to be a vote tonight? >> we'll see. we're getting close on the bipartisan package, which you know we've been working on for months and it passed out of the senate in early august and then the social infrastructure bill, or build back better, which the final details going back and forth. we're waiting for final text now and we hope to get there. that's everything from child care to reinstating the state and local tax deduction to universal pre-k. so much is important. both bills would be a huge win for the country and so we're close. >> i know you want to see some numbers in terms of the social spending bill, but clearly
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speaker pelosi feels it's ready to go to a vote now. would you, without seeing those numbers, would you move forward? >> well, i think it's very important and it's something i believe deeply that i should read the bills and before you take a vote on anything, you should make sure you've seen the text and understand the impact on your district. so, there's still things that are being worked out. we don't have the final text just yet, we're close. i've seen a lot of it and much of it is good for the district. but we need to see the final text and we have questions about some of the investments and, of course, some of the revenues that we have, we're still waiting on answers on from -- we got some information from joint tax today on some analysis and waiting for the congressional budget office to give us some numbers and analysis on some of the investments. >> so, without the cbo numbers, you would not move forward? >> well, i think until we get some of that information, it would be irresponsible until we get the final text, of course, and before we see the impact on
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the economy and our country, but i, again, i -- we're supposed to get some of those numbers any minute now, waiting on those and if we can get that analysis, that will be very helpful in moving forward. >> do you worry, you know, republicans are sitting back right now looking at all this and saying, look, democrats can't even pass their agenda while they control both chambers of congress and the white house? i mean, is this -- is this a gift to the gop? >> listen, i'll admit i've been very frustrated with the fact that -- i worked with my colleagues, democrats and republicans in the house and senate, for most of the summer going back last spring on the bipartisan infrastructure package, which is your roads, bridges, the tunnel, the train tunnel between new york and new jersey, water infrastructure in helping us fight climate change, 2 million jobs on the line. that was passed in early august and has been sitting in the house waiting for action. so, you know, i think we've got to act. i think the country has spoken pretty clearly, they expect us
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to act and, you know, we're going to get that bill done. i'm hoping any hour now. and of course get this reconciliation package across the finish line, as well. but i think it's very important that, you know, we do our jobs and make sure we see final texts and do the analysis to see the impact on our district and our economy and our country, and i believe, anderson, in the coming days, we're going to have two big victories for the country and that's going to not just help the country, but of course, i think, you know, change some of the messaging for democrats. >> on the messaging front, if progressive democrats and moderate democrats, you know, can't really trust each other to vote on two things separately at different times, i guess there is some in the country that might ask, why should the country trust democrats? >> i don't think it's a question of not trusting each other at all. i think it's -- you know, would i have liked to vote on the infrastructure package months ago?
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yes. but i believe we're going to work these out. we've all been working very closely together and everyone's, i think, acting in good faith and we'll get these across the finish line. but i think the country wants to see action. they deserve it. they want us to produce common sense results for them and for families, and they expect not just democrats to work together, they expect us to work with republicans. they want bipartisan solutions. so, you know, i think that's why the infrastructure package we're presenting is so important, because it's great for families in the country for our competitiveness, but also a strong sign that democrats and republicans can work together for them. >> congressman, really appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> some perspective now from from steve israel, he's currently director of cornell university's institute of politics and global affairs. also with us, "state of the union" anchor dana bash. dana, what do you make after such a poor showing at the ballot box this week, democrats
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still have not been able to pass the president's agenda? >> well, it seems to me that in part, it is because of the poor showing that what you're seeing right now is the moderates, those who have the most to lose politically, because they have the potential of losing, many of them, josh gottheimer is one. we heard from abigail spanberger who is in virginia and others who won -- most of them in 2018 and they made the democratic majority, but they won because they're in conservative districts. and now they're facing a situation where they're looking at passing this large social safety net bill and most of them say they support a lot of it, but there's some of it in there that i'm told many of them believe could be politically really, really dangerous for them. immigration is one example. not a lot of people have talked about it, but in here some of the moderates believe what that
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would effectively do is allow -- not that they believe, this is actually in there -- that would allow undocumented immigrants to stay for a decade and able to work. that is going to be used as a cudgel against those democrats by republicans on an issue they know they're very vulnerable on. >> congressman israel, are democrats missing their moment here? >> well, look, i'm surprised that so many people are surprised that this is tough to do, i mean, anderson, this is what happens when you bring a blend of the great society and the new deal and the apollo project, with respect to climate technologies, and try and balance it on a three-vote majority in the house and a one-vote majority in the senate. are they missing the moment? the one glimmer of hope for my former colleagues is whether you are a progressive or a moderate, you understand that if you don't pass both of these bills, the midterm is over. you're back in the minority. as dana knows, i've been in the minority. it's not fun.
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and so there is pressure on both sides to get these two bills passed in one form or another and try and have a fighting chance in what is going to be a very difficult midterm environment. >> dana, even now, though, if these do, in fact, pass, all the bipartisanship of getting the first one voted on initially, has that just kind of gone out the window? the benefit of having a bipartisan bill was that you show you can work across the aisle. it's been so long since that was done, does this now all just get lost in the mix? >> yes. and it has been for some time. when you look at sort of the messaging, the political messaging that, see, this is a president who said he could bring two sides together -- he did. nobody can came that away from him. the sort of reality is that what you're going to see is when the bipartisan infrastructure bill gets passed in the house, after
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it passed by huge bipartisan majority in the senate, you're going to see the republicans go home, who voted for it, and maybe even some who didn't, claim credit for all of the jobs and the projects they're bringing back home. so, there's -- >> they've already done that, i mean -- >> totally. and they're going to continue to do that and then, you know, try to whack at the democrats. but i just think it is so fascinating that for so long, anderson, we were talking about the progressives using their leverage. now we're seeing the moderates at the last minute use their leverage to deal with things that the taxes that josh gottheimer was talking about, the state and local tax deductions, drug benefits and negotiating drug prices and, of course, immigration and just the overall cost. >> congressman israel, you were chairman of the democrat you can
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committee after the house lost 60 votes. david axelrod said last night that he saw those losses coming a long way away because of the economic situation. do you think your party is in store for a similar shellacking? >> well, yeah, unless they can get -- we can get our act together. look, what happened in 2021 is eerily reminiscent of what happened in 2009. we lost virginia, we lost new jersey, we got shellacked in suburbs across the country, so, we knew that it was an uphill battle as early as november 2009. it wasn't until august of 2010 that we began to realize that this isn't just uphill. this could be really bad. and when we lost 63 seats in november, nobody -- i don't believe anybody really could forecast the loss of 63 seats. and so, this is shaping up, the trends, the climate are very similar. it's like watching a hurricane and tracking it and
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understanding, you know, where it's going to land. that's the bad news. the potentially good news is that democrats remember how bad it can get. and they understand that they need a course correction. and if they can get that course correction, pass these bills, produce tangible results for voters, regain faith among suburban voters, then they have a fighting chance to survive this, what will be a very tough mid midterm. >> steve israel, dana bash, appreciate. >> or the reality -- >> go ahead, dana. >> just real quick, the reality is that they do see what's coming in november of next year, which is why there is a race to get as much done as possible before they lose the majority. >> yeah. dana, steve israel, thank you so much. it is a very busy night, as well, when it comes to all things to do with january 6th. the former president, new sub binas a highly anticipated witness from the former administration. woodward and bernstein, the legendary duo join us for their analysis ahead. also a report that the former
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late word today that the trump loyalist, former trump loyal itself that the president wanted to run the justice department to advance his scheme to overturn the election is finally ready to be interviewed tomorrow by the house january 6th select committee. that is what multiple sources now confirm. jeffrey clark is his name. he was subpoenaed after failing to cooperate with the investigate. bennie thompson told reporters he signed 20 new subpoenas that could go out as early as tomorrow. separately, a federal judge in washington heard arguments in the former president's effort to keep documents away from the committee. in addition, she threw cold
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water on the request that the court review each document one by one, which the judge said could take years. hasn't ruled yet. joining us now and together again, cnn political analyst carl bernstein and bob woodward, coauthor with robert costa with "peril." also famously wrote with carl "all the president's men" and "in the final days." so, if the judge in this dispute allows access to the committee, how important is it, how damaging do you think it could be for him and his allies? >> well, that may happen, but it will, of course, be appealed and i think if you look at the nixon tapes case, going back to 1974, the ruling was that a prosecutor can get, in the case of nixon, his tapes, but the senate watergate committee could not.
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so, i'm not sure the january 6th commission has really got a strong hand. but this is very important, if you digest the mechanics of an investigation like this, liz cheney said they talked to 150 people. you can get a name, you can get a list. i doubt if there's anything in these documents that is going to be the smoking gun, but they have to find a witness, a participant, who will cooperate or some sort of secret taping system, so there's a great deal of work to be done here. >> carl, what do you make of how it's going so far? >> i think that the committee is at a great disadvantage, because there is a coverup going on. and the coverup is of the most grievous undermining of our
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democracy in this country, done by a president of the united states, since the civil war. and the republican party is now complicit in the coverup, because it does not want to see this investigation go forward. in watergate, you had a situation where the senate voted unanimously to create the senate watergate committee to investigate on a by ipartisan basis what had happened. we have the opposite happening now and the republican party, including the leadership, mcconnell, kevin mccarthy, doing everything in their power to see that these facts do not come to light. and -- we have a republican party which is a party of voter suppression, which is trying to ensure that democrats are not having their votes counted fairly. and it's very interesting, we just had an election, you know, we watched donald trump cry foul about the election when, in fact, we know it was the big lie. last night, we had an election
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in virginia where the republican candidate for governor won and lo and behold, we didn't hear any cries of foul in this election. and i think -- we got to look at this larger question of a coverup and manipulation of our voting system to the disadvantage of democracy and a coup occurred here by the president of the united states. >> bob, i mentioned -- >> attempted coup. >> the 20 new subpoenas referenced by bennie thompson. he didn't say who they're for, only hinting that some of the people have been written about and some haven't. who else did you write about that may have valuable information, who hasn't already been subpoenaed? >> well, i think you have to conduct a dragnet. and that's exactly what they're doing. robert costa and i in doing our book "peril," we found this eastman memo, which is really a blueprint for a coup and, i mean, in a very clear way and we
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found that just by calling people, in fact, we got that from republican sources who were trump supporters who were willing to provide it. it wasn't classified, it wasn't secret, but carl's right. there is a coverup going on here. the question is, when you get into the courts, that the president, the former president, does have some rights here, unfortunately. there is a right to conceal information. it certainly is wrong in this committee and what i worry about is, do we really have a mechanism in this committee or in the justice department, to get to the bottom and explain what happened? and this is where carl is -- i mean, you really have to do
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that. this was what happened on january 6th was a monumental event. it was unparalleled and there are all kinds of avenues to pursue, and quite frankly, i think there is a giant responsibility again on the media to do the reporting, get these documents, get the witnesses, find out precisely what happened. it's senator irvin who led the senate watergate committee used to tell carl and myself, we want to call everyone up here to get their story and we are going to give them an opportunity to exonerate themselves. and i think that can apply here. everyone should testify. i think there is not just a
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constitutional, i think there is a moral and a cultural responsibility to explain this and not let it drift off into the fog of history. >> but carl, as bob was saying, i mean, does congress have the abilities, the tools, to actually get people to be able to, you know, exonerate themselves? you know, how likely is it that the former president, his allies, steve bannon, for example, he's already been found in contempt, you know, will be able to successfully stonewall or at least slow down the investigation so they can get to the election and win back both chambers? >> that's the question. the clock ticking in the midterms would seem to indicate that what we've seen so far is republicans will probably capture the house and close this thing down. but let's look at the bigger picture for a moment. including what bob just said about the press, but it's not just the press. the business of this nation
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needs to be above almost everything else. we are in a civil war in this country. and the secessionists are winning the civil war right now. the republican party of donald trump is winning this civil war. it's winning this battle. and it needs to be the business of the nation to find out what happened in this most authoritarian, grievous attack on our democracy since the confederacy. and it means all of our institutions, the press, chambers of commerce, it ought to be the national business to find out with every stone being turned up what happened here. we cannot let this lie. and as for the press, it needs to be our unflagging, top of our agenda until we find out and find these witnesses. as bob has started the process in his book with bob costa in
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"peril." there are other witnesses. this is what we need to be doing and the secessionists are planning and banking on us dropping this fight and our institutions not being up to the moment. this is our job above all else. >> carl, bob, appreciate it. thank you both. coming up next, yet more breaking news. what we're learning about a reported second grand jury 'em paneled to investigate the former president's company. one of the correspondents who broke this story and legal analyst jeffrey toobin when we return. hey google. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks!
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it's not just rough going in federal court for the former president. according to new reporting tonight in "the washington post," he is also facing a second grand jury convened by cy vance. jonathan mcconnell shares a byline on this and he is with us now. what is your suggestion at how significant this grand jury might be? >> well, it's hard to know. what we know is the new grand jury will be looking at the way trump and his company sort of evaluate their properties. we know from some of the previous reporting and some court filings that the new york ag letitia james and also cy vance have looked at the way that trump presents the properties to banks versus how he presents them to tax appraisers. most when they go to a bank, they're boasting about their property. when they go to the appraisers, they don't want to be charged too much. they sort of are more humble
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about how much it would be worth. the question is whether trump did this in a legal way or whether he just did it sort of in a way that a lot of real estate developers do it. >> so, i mean, are these new areas of potential legal exposure? because we sort of -- there's been reporting on this before about -- about him kind of speaking out of both sides of his mouth to different people. or is this just a continuation of what the d.a.'s office has been doing for some time now? >> well, you'll recall the grand jury that is expiring right now, they charged trump cfo allen weisselberg and trump's company with a different type of tax fraud, which is they alleged a systematic type of way that the company would compensate employees with apartments or homes or cars or school tuition in a way that would avoid taxes. and the cfo allen weisselberg pled guilty and so did the company. this is a different kind of category of allegations. it's saying that the company
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knowingly misled tax appraisers or misled banks for insurers that were providing the company with either loans or insurance policies in a way that would violate law. >> we should also point out the former president has not been charged. has the trump organization responded? >> well, they did not respond today, although eric trump, the president's son and president trump have both called these investigations really politically motivated. they sometimes point to letitia james, who is now running for governor, and some comments she made running for a.g. where she said she was going to take down trump or come after trump, before she was attorney general. so they view these as politically motivated investigations. >> jonathan, appreciate it. thank you. joining us now, cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. how concerned should the former president be? >> well, it is important, because the existing case, the weisselberg case, is really a
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small potatoes case. i mean, it is very bad news for weisselberg personally, but the amounts of money at issue, the kinds of crime, you know, paying for a car and not paying taxes on it, paying for tuition at his grandchildren's school, not paying taxes on it, i mean, it is a criminal case, but it is certainly not one that really implicates the former president. in any way that's apparent from the face of the indictment. the investigation of the double booking, as you were talking about, you know, giving one valuation to tax authorities, one valuation to banks, that's a potentially much more serious case, also one that potentially implicates the former president. so it's a big deal, but we should, of course, say just because there is an investigation doesn't mean there are going to be any charges coming out of it. >> also, i mean, just how tough of an investigation might it be?
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as long as allen weisselberg isn't cooperating with prosecutors, there's no public indication at least he is, who else would know what he knows? or is this all public -- i mean, is this all documents, kind of a document investigation that they can get access to because it involves banks and taxes? >> you're right that it's very hard to make a white collar case without someone cooperating from the inside. however, there is at least the possibility. obviously i haven't seen the documents and so i don't know what they say and how different they are. but if you start with the identical property, evaluating it once for taxes, once for banks, that's -- that's potentially a big problem, something that could be the basis for a criminal case. but if you want to charge someone with intentional misconduct with an intentional crime, which is how most crimes are defined, you really have to have someone on the inside who
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says, you know, we knew we were lying to the tax authorities, we knew we were lying to the banks, but we did it, anyway. that's why weisselberg is such an important potential witness, but he's not a witness yet, all he is is a defendant and he's not guilty, either, at least so far. >> jeffrey toobin, appreciate it. powerful testimony in the kyle rittenhouse trial. why the judge kicked one juror off the case.
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a juror in the kyle rittenhouse trial was dismissed today because of telling a joke about the shooting of jacob blake. rittenhouse is facing seven charges for shooting and killing two men during the unrest following blake's shooting last summer in kenosha, wisconsin. he's pleaded not guilty to all charges. cnn's omar jimenez tonight reports on a day of highly charged testimony. >> re >> you can be seated. a >> reporter: a third day of testimony in the trial of kyle rittenhouse focused on how the shooting began the night of august 25th, 2020, starting with the killing of joseph rosenbaum, one of two killed by rittenhouse that night.
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>> i do. >> reporter: richie mcguiness was called by prosecutors in the trial and emphasized that rosenbaum was unarmed. >> did you ever see a weapon on mr. rosenbaum? >> i did not. >> didn't see him have a knife? >> no. >> a club or a bat or a chain or nothing like that? >> i just saw the bag that was thrown, that was it. >> reporter: prosecutors took jurors to the moment of the shooting. >> i noticed that he was continuing to advance and that mr. rittenhouse was standing still, based on mr. rosenbaum's, the way that he was running and then eventually lunging towards the front portion of the rifle, it was clear to me that something with the weapon was about to happen and i didn't want to be on the wrong side of that. >> reporter: rosenbaum was. mcguiness was on the scene that night documents the unrest and even spoke to rittenhouse before shots were fired.
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>> there's somebody hurt? i'm running into harm's way. >> reporter: not long after, he was forced to render emergency aid. >> i was under his right shoulder. there's another individual under his left shoulder and then there were maybe one or two people carrying his legs and i was just telling ing him that we're goin have a beer together afterwards and it was all going to be okay. it seemed that his eye was looking at me, but it was kind of rolling back and when i started talking, it rolled back kind of towards me and i was looking at him, so, i'm not sure if he heard me, but i think perhaps he did. >> did he say anything? >> no. >> reporter: during cross examination -- >> he was in a low position running. >> reporter: the defense focused on why rosenbaum's pursuit of rittenhouse continued. >> he kept advancing? >> correct.
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>> and he continues to advance until he makes a lunge for the weapon, correct? >> yes. it appeared that he was lunging for the front portion of the weapon. >> okay. which would be the business end of an ar-15? >> yes. >> reporter: trying to paint the picture that rosenbaum was the aggressor as he lunged and rittenhouse was defending himself. >> you know, as you sit here today, that he yelled the words, "f-you," but the whole worlds, yes? >> correct. >> what was the tone of his voice as he yelled that? >> very angry. >> reporter: rosenbaum's demeanor was the focus of the next witness called as he began his testify, including one encounter in particular. >> he goes, you know, if i catch any of you guys alone tonight, i'm going to [ bleep ] kill you. >> and he said that to you? >> correct. >> did he say that to the defendant, as well? >> the defendant was there, so yes. >> reporter: but words never became actions, as ryan balch, who was with rittenhouse that night, laid out. >> did you see mr. rose rosenba
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injury anyone that night? >> no. >> did he ever reach for your weapon? >> no. >> did he ever touch that? >> no. >> did he ever touch you? >> no. >> omar hjimenez is with us now. the first witness mentioned in your piece, at one point he testified that rosenbaum was advancing towards kyle rittenhouse while rittenhouse himself was standing still. do you have a sense of why the prosecution called on this witness and how this narrative fits into their case? >> reporter: yeah, anderson. when you go back to opening statements from the prosecutor, one of the questions he said is going to be central here is, was this level of force necessary to prevent imminent death of greater bodily harm? as part of that examination, he got mcguiness to say that rosenbaum was not armed and that there was no way to know what his mind-set was at the time. and the exchange with the later witness, ryan balch, when it said that there was basically hundreds of people out on the street that night and that everyone was going through the
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same levels of stress and chaos, having the same sort of verbal altercations, yet only one person shot someone that night, being rittenhouse, but of course, the defense will likely jump on a few of the things said today by witnesses to go into their own arguments about why they believe this was self-defense. >> omar jimenez, thank you so much. coming up, an alarming report about what the covid virus can do to our bodies. sanjay gupta reports ahead.
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if you're living with hiv, keep loving who you are. and ask your doctor if biktarvy is right for you. 750,000 americans dead due to covid. that is the milestone we hit about 24 hours ago that we reported on last night's program, but tonight, a different perspective on that number and the virus, because when people get covid, it's not always just about life and death. it is also about damage to the body and brain and for some survivors, that damage can be profound. here's cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. >> social media is full of disinformation to address your agenda. the algorithm sends just what you want to hear right to you. >> reporter: like tens of millions of americans, 71-year-old jim cell saw misinformation like this on
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social media. all over facebook. as a result, the retired pilot and former marathon runner decided not to get vaccinated. >> they constantly repeat the high survival rates. out of 100 people that covid effects, the vast majority can stay home and take an aspirin. >> reporter: what do people think the survival rate is? >> what they post is, like, 98.5% to 99%. >> reporter: that means 1 out of 100 people who get it die. >> yes. >> reporter: if you apply that to the country, that means nearly 4 million people will die. and then there's another group that will say, hang on, i'm 99% good, right, what's the big deal? >> right. >> reporter: but covid isn't just about life and death. it's also about damage. damage to the body. >> i tested positive for covid. two days later, i was talking to a friend and really exhausted and she recommended that i go to the hospital and get a breathing treatment. so, lisa drove me to the hospital. they wouldn't let her in.
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>> i didn't get any sleep that night worrying about him. i did a lot of praying. any time you try to call the hospital to get to the emergency room, they would ask where he is and he's in the e.r. so i had no information. >> he's a gentleman who presented to our emergency department after about ten days of fairly typical symptoms for covid-19 pneumonia. a cough, shortness of breath. he immediately required a high flow of oxygen to help keep his oxygen levels in the healthy range. >> he's a pulmonologist in atlanta. by his own account, he's now seen hundreds of covid-19 patients throughout the pandemic. like jim sells. >> to avoid undue stress on his heart, on his brain, on other vital organs on a cellular level, it took five times more oxygen for us to get him just to where it was safe.
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>> they put an oxygen mask on, cinched it down real tight. put the heart monitors on me. and then asked me if i wanted to be resuscitated. and i'm in total shock. then she said, i don't know if we can help you, but we're going to do all we can. >> reporter: did they spend time telling you what this virus was doing to your body or explaining what was happening? >> they showed me the chest x-ray, and the doctor said look, it's supposed to look like two black panels. what i'm looking at is two white sheets. >> this is a cat scan of his chest. this is the top parts of the lungs. you can already see the effects of covid pneumonia, mostly on the left lung here. as we move down to the middle of the lower lobes, especially the right one, you see involvement of covid pneumonia. >> reporter: when someone like jim becomes infected wi ed wit,
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it can make it harder to breathe, which can stiffen the lungs and star the tissue. >> it's the lack of oxygen and the toll it takes on the rest of your organs. >> reporter: about 15% of all hospitalized covid patients experience kidney damage. many of them needing dialysis. like jim, 43-year-old travis campbell also wasn't vaccinated. the noise of social media was overwhelming. in the fairly rural part of virginia where he lived, covid just didn't seem urgent. but after three days of being fatigued and having difficulty breathing, travis was admitted to the hospital. >> you're in a fog. 2340 nothing makes sense. >> reporter: his wife and kids got sick with covid. but while they got better at home, he got worse, keeping his
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family and friends updated on facebook. >> covid starts doing things. and with the pneumonia, we've been fighting that. it's tough. when your oxygen drops, you can't breathe. so you start having panic attacks. >> reporter: one am nalysis of studies found 20% to 30% of all patient also develop blood clots like travis, causing heart attacks and strokes. some experts now argue that covid is probably more of a vascular disease than a respiratory one, because of its impact on the blood vessels that line so many of our organs.
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things became so serious, that travis wrestled with his own mortality. >> last night i come to the realization that the chances of me not being able to give my daughter away at her wedding is greater than walking out. >> reporter: jim was hospitalized for 16 days. and nearly 11 weeks later, he's still trying to regain his strength. >> i'm moving along. i'm about 40% now after two months. what i look is duration, stamina. and i don't do anything strenuous, because that will send my oxygen way too low right away. i don't want anybody to go through what i went through. we really need the world to know the truth, and the consequences of not being vaccinated. >> you're obviously talking about this. is this going to affect your social interactions with people? are you going to lose friends over this? >> i already have.
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>> you get sick, go to the hospital, almost die and you're losing friends over this? >> yeah, yeah. >> reporter: travis has also since left the hospital. but like nearly 1 in 20 unvaccinated people diagnosed with covid-19, he's still experiencing many of the symptoms, at least two months after his diagnosis. >> the real confusion, it's every day. very forgetful, headaches, still on oxygen, struggling to breathe air. it's been one thing after another. >> reporter: but unlike before he went into the hospital, he's now part of the at least 80% of american adults who have gotten at least one shot. >> that shot could have prevented all of this. four weeks in tirhe icu. just go to your local pharmacy, vaccine is free. nothing political about it. >> i know you said he received the first dose. has jim? >> not yet, but he will on
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monday. we just checked in with him. it's been a very contentious topic. people won't talk to him just because he's come on and talked about the fact that he's going to get vaccinated. but he's going to get it and get his boosters, too. >> several thousand cases a day, how is the medical industry going to have to adapt? >> there may be entire wings dedicated to long covid, because we're talking millions of people dealing with this. there's a study that just came, anderson, saying there's about 1.3 million people who are out of work right now due to covid. you know, the numbers keep growing. so it's a problem. >> sanjay, appreciate. we'll be right back. that's certified head turns. and it's all backed by our unlimited mileage warranty. that means unlimited peace of mind. mercedes-benz certified pre-owned.
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