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lasting. and, of course, it's a safe way to illicit a protective immune response, compared to infection, for which the strength of the infection, you know, can also affect the immune response. meaning a person with a mild infection may not have a long-lasting immune response. whereas, a person who has a very severe infection may get a strong immune response if they survive it. >> yeah, it's important research. i think we knew this, but it is such an important new data point in all this. dr. wilber chen, thanks for being with us. >> okay. thank you. >> "new day" continues right now. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. it is tuesday, november 2nd. americans are heading to the polls on this election day. in some ways, the race between joe biden and donald trump may be playing out all over again. this morning, all eyes are on two critical races for governor. in virginia, also in new jersey,
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polls opening one hour ago in both states. in the next 24 hours, we could get a preview of what next year's midterms will look like and beyond. >> in virginia, a state that joe biden carried by ten points, the race is neck and neck. terry mcauliffe is attempting to link youngkin to trump, and youngkin is trying to make education a core virginia issue. >> i am running against, i like to say, donald trump in khakis. or sweater vest. what is he going to do with all those sweater vests at the end of this campaign? donald trump issued two statements attacking me and endorsing glenn youngkin. today, two. what does that tell you? little maga people not as excited as you thought? >> so on day one, i will ban critical race theory from being in our schools. terry mcauliffe versus virginia.
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virginia wins every day of the week. >> that's virginia. in new jersey, the other big state we're watching right now, governor phil murphy is trying to become the first democrat re-elected to the governor's mansion since, what, 1977. that's a long time. let's talk about this big day. it's so big, we brought in cnn politics reporter and editor at large, chris, it's that big. >> i'm excited. we're focused on a few, but there are 32 states voting today. i mean, it is not all 50, but it is significant. let's go to the races you talked about. these are the big ones, right? this race is going to be the bellwether. youngkin has moved into something close to a tie, john. remember that joe biden won the state by ten points last year. that's a huge race. the fact it is close is very good for republicans, bad for democrats, no matter what happens. this race, phil murphy against jack ciattarrelli.
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if this is close, huge problems for democrats. phil murphy should win. new jersey is a democratic state, has been for some time. ciattarrelli ran a perfectly fine campaign, but no one thought he had a chance. polls show tightening there. all right. mayoral, people don't pay as much attention. you should. new york city is going to elect eric adams. new york is a pretty democratic city, pretty democratic area. democrats are going to win. he won as a more moderate choice, which is interesting. in contrast, boston is going to make history. first woman mayor. two women are running. michelle wu, asian-american, boston city councilwoman, the favorite there. another one, buffalo. first, it's the second biggest city in new york. people overlook it. not my friends but buffalo but people overlook that at times. in buffalo, india walton is running as a democratic socialist. she won the democratic primary,
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but the current incumbent governor is facing off. if she wins, she's the first socialist mayor of a city since the '60s. keep an eye there. one other one i want to mention. minneapolis. george floyd's death has occasioned a national conversation about policing. in minneapolis, they're having an amendment about an initiative whether they get rid of the police department and change it to a department of public safety. now, this isn't defund the police. there would still be police. the issue is you wouldn't have to have a minimum number of police on the force. the calls to 911 would be treated differently. it is an attempt to sort of reorient a police department. looks pretty close in terms of polling. that's one to keep an yeye on. >> what are other ballot measures? >> there's 32 states voting. so there's a ton of ballot measures. i want to focus in these states. two big ones that matter. new york. a lot of this is covid-19, post covid-19. in new york, there's a
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redistricting ballot nichinitia, taking a little of the partisanship out of it. also, same-day registration. currently, you have to register ten days before. a lot of states have same-day registration. you can register and vote. this would allow for registration to be closer than ten days. there's also, in texas, two ballot initiatives related to covid-19. one of which is, they want to make it harder to restrict church services. during covid-19, a lot of governors said, no church services, nothing like that. in texas, greg abbott is saying, we don't want that to ever happen again. we want to protect it. same thing with elder care. there's a ballot initiative that says, you can designate someone who is your caretaker s, and th person can always visit you. a lot of this is post covid-19. really, i want to go back here, if i might. look, this is the big one. >> yes. >> you know, we're going to talk about other things which matter,
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but this is the big one. if glenn youngkin wins, it is a huge moment. not only for the fact that they haven't had a -- a republican has not won a statewide election in virginia since 2009, which is stunning. we thought virginia was a swing state. it is more of a democratic state now. but also for what it'd mean nationally. he sought to nationalize the race. youngkin is talking about education and control of states. mcauliffe made this about trump. that's the race. we are going to and we should spend the most time on it. >> this is the race that has democrats flop sweating. full on flop sweat. don't miss cnn's coverage tonight. >> excited. >> early afternoon. thank you so much for that. >> our special live coverage of election night in america will be tstarting at 6:00 eastern hee on cnn. love to hear that music again. gives me flashbacks too. democrats have yet to pass joe biden's sweeping legislative
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a ag agenda. there is the bipartisan infrastructure bill, then there is the social spending bill that is to be passed through what's called budget reconciliation. only takes 50 democrats, which is -- that's all they have in the senate, right? the second bill has been held up because conservative democrats, kyrsten sinema and joe manchin, have had on sebjeobjections. here's manchin slamming the tactics of his progressive democratic colleagues. >> in think view, this is not how the united states congress should operate or, in my view, has operated in the past. for the same of the country, i urge the house to vote and pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill. holding this bill hostage is not going to work in getting my support for reconciliation bill. while i've worked hard to find a path to compromise, it is obvious, compromise is not good enough for a lot of my colleagues in congress. it's all or nothing. >> the white house says it
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remains confident that president biden's plan will get manchin's support. joining us now, president biden's transportation secretary, pete buttigieg. secretary, thank you for being with us this morning. another critical day. it seems like we've had maybe too many critical days when it comes to this legislation. but are you 100% sure that president biden can get joe manchin on board with the build back better bill? >> you know, a few days ago, i said we're the closest we've ever been. this morning, we're closer still. we want to see this literally signed, sealed, and delivered. but what is clear is there is enormous momentum behind this legislation. that's not just on capitol hill. that's not just coming from the president. but the more americans hear about what these two pieces of legislation mean for them, the more you see that eagerness and that impatience to get it done. as people are hearing about the opportunity to have free pre-k for all 3 and 4-year-olds in the
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country, thinking about what that means for them. understanding that 9 out of 10 families personally have hundreds or thousands of dollars on the line if they have children, when it comes to the extension of this child tax credit. people beginning to imagine what they would do with that discount, the tax credit of up to $12,500, to buy an electric vehicle and never have to worry about gas prices again. these are things that are going to make a concrete difference in american lives, and i think that's why you're continuing to see this excitement and this energy. obviously, a piece of legislation or two pieces of legislation this big and this complex is going to take a lot to get it through all of the different hoops that congress can have. but, again, feel very confident. the president, you know, put forward this particular framework with its particular dimensions, believing this is the framework that will pass both houses of congress and get to his desk. >> you're very confident the president can get joe manchin on board. is that the read? >> absolutely.
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very confident that this can get through the house and the senate. i'll tell you, the moment it does, obviously, my department and others are ready. we just had another discussion yesterday with my colleagues about all of the things that we have to do to be prepared to deploy these taxpayer dollars effectively. it's one thing to say we're going to have this funding identified, but when you think about the work that's going to be involved in getting over $100 billion out to improve roads and bridges in this country, making those investments in ports that we're seeing just how important ports are right now, enhancing our safety. doing the things we have to do on the ports and airports. i know every department in this administration is poised and ready to get the job done as soon as that bill gets to the president's desk so he can sign it, and we can get to work. >> i want to ask you, the transportation secretary, about jerks on planes. it's something we seem to be seeing so much of. there was actually a criminal complaint filed in u.s. district
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court in colorado over an ass assault, an alleged assault on a flight attendant last week that resulted in her concussion. you brought up the possibility of a no fly list for these people who are perpetrating these attacks. is it time for that? >> well, i think every option needs to be on the table. i can't believe we even have to say this. but for god's sake, do not, do not disrespect, let alone harm, flight crews who, as the captain always says, are there for your safety. now, we've seen prosecutors stepping up to follow up. this is very important. there has to be that kind of accountability, and that's why these criminal complaints -- obviously, nothing about these stories is good news, but it is encouraging to see those steps being taken. also, faa stepping forward with enhanced attention and fines. i think there's going to be more information today on some of the
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latest numbers. perhaps seeing some progress. it's absolutely unacceptable for there to ever be more than zero such incidents. i do think that warrants further attention to anything else that could be done, not just within the department of transportation or faa, but really partnering with other agencies, to make sure that flight crews are safe. by the way, this is not just about protecting flight attendants who have been on the front lines of this pandemic, who are there for your safety, this is also protecting other passengers. it threatens the safety of an entire aircraft when one passenger behaves this one. >> sure it does. but american airlines says, look, this guy who was accused of this will never fly on another american airlines flight again. he has other options. he punched a flight attendant with such force, her head hit a lavatory door. he had to be taped to a chair. plastic pienbindings put in pla.
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why should he be able to fly on a delta flight? is it time for the federal government to step in? >> again, this is a very good question. obviously, that raises a lot of legal and other issues that have to be looked at. but they should be looked at, and now is the time. i've heard the chair of the house transportation and infrastructure committee propose an approach that i think some of the flight attendant unions are interested in. there is a shared database. you can also look at something more along the lines of the no-fly concept that is federally housed. it is not a step to be taken lightly, but i think every option has to be on the table. this is completely unacceptable. >> we saw some big disruptions over the weekend when it came to american airlines passengers. let's listen to what they said. >> it's annoying because it wasn't just american. it was southwest a couple weeks ago. yeah, they're cancelling up until we have to stay here. it kind of leaves us stranded for a while. >> incredibly frustrated. >> american is awful.
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>> never flying with them again. >> thousands of american airlines flights. not too long ago, it was southwest. it seems like air travel is a bit unreliable right now. what do you say to air travelers who think that? >> well, look, air travel is still an extraordinary and safe way to get around, to see loved ones, and to do business. but we have seen another round of disruptions. both of those slightly different stories but largely similar, in that they were caused by a weather event that happened in one of the worst possible places for that particular airline's network. when that happens -- for example, american very much based around dallas-ft. worth area. when it happens in a certain place, that can ripple throughout the system. because you have planes and people not in the right places t at the right time. add to that the aviation sector, while it's made a remarkable
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recovery -- by the way, i'd argue largely thanks to the american rescue plan and the president's leadership -- they're still not staffed at the levels you saw pre-pandemic. which means when you do have a blow, a disruption, a shock, it can be a little more vulnerable in terms of that rippling through the system. now, it is up to the airlines to find new and more nimble ways to be ready to respond to the disruptions, and they're doing that. they're doing remarkable work. but, obviously, incredibly frustrating if you are left in the lurch because of one of those weather-related disruptions. >> yeah. certainly is. secretary pbuttigieg, thank you >> thank you. great to be with you. new revelations about what actor alec baldwin said in the moments after the accidental shooting on the "rust" film set. some of cinematographer haylna hutchins' last words. the assistant director who handed the gun to baldwin is breaking his silence. laura jarrett joins us with the very latest. >> reporter: good morning. we're getting a vivid picture of exactly what played out on set that day.
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a truly horrific split-second moment. "la times" has reporting out describing how baldwin was reporting for a shootout scene in the church when he hit the cinematographer, haylna hutchins. after he fires, baldwin immediately says, quote, "what the f just happened?" someone on the crew apparently yells, "medic!" everyone begins to huddle around her. a sound guy says, quote, oh, that was no good. she replies as she's bleeding, "no, that was not good. that was no good at all." still, the unanswered question in this case, who exactly loaded the gun that baldwin used with live ammunition? that's something that authorities are, of course, still looking at. meantime, the assistant director of the film, david halls, who has had something of a checkered past with safety issues on movie sets before, is finally speaking out. as you mentioned, he's the one who actually handed baldwin the gun that day. his lawyer now says it was not
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her client's job to spin the drum of the gun and check it before passing it off to the actor, as authorities ultimately decide who is to blame here. halls says his thoughts are with all who knew and loved haylna hutchins. she was not just one of the most talented people i've worked with but also a friend. it is my hope this tragedy prompts the industry to re-evaluate its values and practices to ensure that no one is harmed through the creative process again, john. >> more information. new statements. but who put the bullet in the gun? >> that's the question. >> laura jarrett, thank you very much. are new york firefighters staging a vaccine sickout to protest the city's vaccine requirements? an fdny union chief joins us next. plus, dramatic video of a fiery attack and one man's narrow escape from death. and why colin kaepernick is comparing the nfl draft to a slave auction. my retirement plan with voya keeps me moving forward...
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this morning, we're hearing that in-n-out burger is closing all five of it indoor dining rooms. this is where people eat inside the actual restaurants. in california, they're doing it because of vaccine requirements. the burger chain says to sidestep the mandate, it'll only serve food for takeout at the drive-through window. in total in this county, locations have been fined. all locations have been fined $2,000 in violation of the vaccination health order. in mid-october, in and out's only restaurant in san francisco was temporarily shut down over the mandate. hundreds of new york city firefighters are calling in sick this week as a covid vaccine mandate for city employees goes into effect. here's the mayor, bill de
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blasio. >> the folks who are out sick and really aren't sick, the folks who are faking it are doing immense disservice to the people of this city and to their fellow members in service. we will make sure there are consequences for that. >> joining me now is an fdny union leader jim mccarthy, the president of the uniformed fire officers association. jim, thank you so much for being with us. a sickout, estimated at 2,300. isn't that irresponsible for firefighters to do that? >> well, i don't agree with the mayor and his description of what is going on. >> it's not as -- >> during this time -- >> let's be clear, you think there is not a sickout? >> i am saying there are people on medical leave, and our members have to see a doctor to be put on medic leave. a doctor put them on medic l
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leave. anybody with an illness has to go to the medical office and see a doctor. a doctor puts each member on the medic leave. >> there is a sudden spike of people on medic leave. >> several factors involved. during this time of year, there is increase in fires because of the drop in the temperature and heating. so there's been many multiple alarms around the city. fire fighting is a very dangerous business, and our guys give 110% when they're fighting fires. also, there's been an increase in vaccinations with the membership. the city acknowledges that you get covid symptoms when you get the vaccine. they let the members take two or three days of medic leave when they get the vaccine. as they're touting that our vaccine rates have increased, also those medic leave days increase as well, as a result. >> there has been resistance among your union membership to the vaccine mandate for city
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employees. tell us why you're fighting the mandate. >> well, first of all, we're pro-vaccine. we're just anti-mandate. really, what it comes down to is we've got eight days to docompl with the mandate. the other unions had 30 days. even the corrections officers have until december 1st. our membership only had eight days. there's a lot of decisions to be made. if people decide they want to have a religious exemption or reasonable accommodation or a medical exemption, you have to apply for that and get affidavits to support that. we didn't have time to do that. we also feel that it is a collecti ivebargaining issue. we need to negotiate this mandate rather than it being imposed on us. we have due process, and they're taking away our benefits and pensions and pay. we have to have due process to implement the system. >> okay. a few things there i want to talk to you about.
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you said you are pro-vaccine but anti-mandate. i mean, isn't that just like someone saying they are pro-condom but they're a anti someone telling them they have to wear one. the prophylactic, whatever it is, isn't just about the person who uses it, it's about the people around them who could be affected by them. firefighters are forward-facing people who are dealing with a vulnerable population. >> yes, they are forward-facing, and we have been involved in this pandemic from the very beginning. from march of 2020, we were the first ones there. at the worst height of the pandemic in the world in new york city, new york city firefighters and fire officers went to the -- >> address what i'm asking you here. >> i'm going to, yeah. >> the problem of being pro-vaccine and anti-mandate. >> well, we have -- again, we've been exposed to the virus very early on. many of our members got sick, and they have a high --
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>> it's not the same. just today, the cdc is pointing to research that shows there is more consistent immunity when it comes to the vaccine than infection. that's not something you can hang your hat on. >> well, it's more consistent, but the osha has also come out with a standard that they can use vaccine and testing, which we've had previously to this mandate. our infection rate from that testing, we had over 6,000 tests, less than one-half of 1% of our membership tested positive. that's lower than the public's rate. so the vaccine and testing program we had previously has been working, so there is no reason to impose this mandate, especially when it wasn't negotiated and collectively bar bargained. >> 77% of fdny now vaccinated, up from 58%. it works. >> people have gotten vaccinated, but it is because there's also guys with reasonable accommodation.
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some of our membership retired rather than be forced to do this. it was a decision that only had eight days to make. >> let me ask you about that. eight days, 30 days, whatever it is, i don't understand the argument, when this vaccine has been available for almost a year for emergency responders. >> again, it's been available for a year. >> why does that matter? eight days, 30 days? >> there is a lot to be made. again, reasonable accommodations, religious exemptions, medical exemptions take time to file, as well as retirement papers. if people decide they're not going to take the vaccine and they want to retire, it takes a little bit of time for our membership to retire. up to three months usually it takes. they're giving us eight days to make those decisions. we need more time. they've given more time to other municipal unions. again, corrections officers have until december 1st. we had eight days to do this, and we need more time. and collectively bargain the
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impact. >> jim, and i ask you this because you are a leader in your union, are you vaccinated? >> i am. >> so you are vaccinated. >> i am vaccinated, yes. >> you took that personal choice. i think it's a shame that you are potentially losing f firefighters because they won't take a shot, and the union is opposing the mandate that the numbers show work. >> again, we're not opposing the vaccination. we're opposing the mandate. it is a shame that the mayor is imposing this on our membership, and we're losing people that have served the city faithfully for a very long time. they've been here during the covid response last march. before that for super stosto sandy. before that, katrina. they responded to the september 11th attacks. they were hailed as essential workers and cheered as first responders, and now we're treated as a number on a spreadsheet. all we're looking for is to get
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an extension of time to alleviate all of those questions and litigate and negotiate our side of the mandate. >> look, it is a loss. i think it is even sadder that it is a self-inflicted one. jim mccarthy, really appreciate you coming on to talk about this. thank you. >> not self-inflicted. the mayor imposed it upon us. >> it's a decision by your union members, and that is very clear. jim, thank you. >> thank you. as crime rises, crime is rising in american cities, mayoral candidates are adopting a law and order message, which may be setting activist movements back. plus, why your manthanksgiv meal may be more expensive than ever, and why you want to buy it now. refrigerating it? >> turkeys in. >> put it in the fridge. (man) still asleep.
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i'm wolf blitzer live in scotland, where president biden is currently attending the global climate summit to deal with the urgent, urgent crisis. just in, the united states, united kingdom, and european union all agreed to pay for south africa's gradual transition away from coal. south africa relies heavily on coal for its power and its economy, but it has come at an enormous cost to the climate. per capita, the country is one of the worst polluters on earth. the deal announced today is aimed to change that, and it is a pioneering example of wealthier nations helping others breakaway from fossil fuels. let's discuss with our chief climate correspondent, bill weir, joining us now. tell us about this major announcement. >> yeah, wolf, the president yesterday not only apologized for the united states stepping away from the paris accord under
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the trump administration, he vowed to quadruple the help to poorer nations. south africa, a poster child for sort of environmental injustice. systems built during apartheid now, as you mentioned, so reliant on the dirtiest of fuels. this will cost many billions of dollars, split between the eu and the uk. >> there's more big news on the climate front today. the environmental protection agency back home is planning to propose a new rule, bill, targeting methane gas leaks. tell us how significant this development is. >> reporter: well, this is huge. pau because if you think of carbon dioxide as a blanket of average thickness around the planet, keeping the heat in, methane is a blanket that's as thick as an nba player is tall. it is 80 times more potent in the short term. easier to control. you can't see it or smell it unless you use a special
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infrared camera. the amount of methane leaking from the basin in texas is enough to heat 7 million homes for a year. this new regulation would require oil companies to detect and capture, which is a good business model. it is just wasted fuel. but that would go a long way. it's as much sort of heat-trapping pollution as all the cars in the united states in 2019. they think they can cut 41 million tons of methane. you can't fix the entire climate crisis until you tackle this methane problem, which is better known as natural gas. >> yeah. they're making some incremental progress here in scotland. there's no doubt about that. but there's a long, long way to go. bill weir, thank you for your excellent reporting. i'll be back with kaitlan collins to discuss the fallout of the biden domestic agenda while he is overseas.
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brianna, the fallout has been significant, as you know. especially the announcement yesterday from senator joe manchin. >> it has been, wolf. we look forward to that throughout the show. thank you so much. dramatic surveillance video capturing the moment a man hurled a molotov cocktail into a brooklyn deli, setting it on fire. this is video, sending the wall of fire through the shop. one employee seen there running through the flames, while another person hopping there from the counter to break free. the workers say the disgruntled man was following through on a threat. >> he was threatening, "i'm going to kill you. i'm going to burn the building down." it was so fast, you wouldn't believe it. i was working in the deli. i had customers. out of nowhere, we heard the glass, fire in my face. >> the video outside shows the moment this attacker lit the molotov cocktail and throw it inside.
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a good samaritan knocked another out of his hands. across the country, mayoral candidates who once championed reductions to police budgets are now pledging to restore law and order. athena jones with the story. >> reporter: when george floyd was killed by derek chauvin last spring -- >> i can't breathe. >> reporter: -- protesters demanded law enforcement everywhere be held accountable for unequal treatment of minorities. >> black lives matter. >> reporter: some calling to defend the police, a slogan many democrats worried painted the party as weak on crime. a year later, concerns about rising crime are driving a significant shift in attitudes nationwide about police funding. 47% of people in a recent pew poll saying it should be increased. up from 31% in june of 2020. crime and policing have
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dominated races from buffalo to atlanta. >> i believe we need to hire 500 to 750 additional officers. >> if we're going to address crime in the city, it's not going to be based on how many officers we put on the streets of atlanta. >> reporter: reformers sometimes on the defensive. in cleveland, where 12-year-old tamir rice was shot by police in 2014 while playing with a toy gun, voters now set to decide on a ballot measure dubbed issue 24 that would establish a civilian commission with final authority over much of the police department's policies and procedures. mayoral candidates at odds over the issue. >> issue 24 would result in hundreds of officers leaving the job. >> when you have more community voices around the table, you get better accountability. we have to try something new. the current system is broken. >> reporter: meanwhile, in new york city -- >> for 22 years, i was the voice of reform in policing. >> reporter: democratic eric adams, a former police officer,
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made ensuring public safety central to his campaign. while also arguing for reform. >> we must have a police department that we trust and that is going to do its job of keeping the people of this city safe. >> reporter: activists caution the reform mucovement has been more than police department budgets. >> it's about transparency, accountability. police reform is about changing the system using all these different techniques, not just one technique. racial justice advocates and black lives matter advocates are calling for law and order. >> reporter: while federal policing reform efforts have stalled, cities like philadelphia are forging ahead with local ones. the city council last month approving a ban on police stops for low-level traffic violations. a move aimed at reducing racial disparities in a city where blacks are stopped at much higher rates than whites. athena jones, cnn, new york.
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>> thanks to athena for that report. joining me, the author of "how to fight racism," and "a black christian collective." thank you so much for being with us this morning, doctor. what are we seeing this morning in these mayoral races? is this the pendulum swinging? >> i think we're seeing a couple of things. first of all, we have folks who are reading the headlines about a spike in crime rates but, unfortunately, they don't dig much deeper than those headlines. while it is true enough there has been an increase year-over-year in crime rates, they're nowhere near the highs we've seen in the recent past. overall, crime is still down. we also need to account for the fact that we're living still in a pandemic, especially in 2020. you had a lot of desperate people turning to crime because breaking the law pabecause they thought that was the only way for them to survive. but i think on a deeper level, when it comes to the chance for
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potentially transformative change, people get nervous. they don't know what to expect. with policing, even with all its problems, folks think, well, at least it's familiar. i know what i'm getting. when we're talking about deep systemic changes that policing requires, that's harder for people to imagine. it's much easier to say, "law and order" and "spend more money on police departments" than it is to consider, well, how do we address poverty? what do we do about underfunded public education? how can we invest in preventive measures to people have the care they need? we need to continually encourage people to move beyond this narrow paradigm of policing that we've inherited and help them reimagine public safety all together. lastly, i'll say this, when it comes to electoral politics, the political calculus may have changed for some politicians. you know what hasn't changed? tamir rice is still dead.
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breonna taylor is still dead. george floyd is still dead. human beings whose lives we know through hashtags. so whatever we do about policing in this country, we have to always keep sight of the fact that real people are being harmed. real people are being killed, and it cannot continue. we cannot shrink back from meaningful reforms for the sake of political expediency. >> certainly a lot at stake. no question about that. dr. tisby, we're fans of "black and white," colin kaepernick, his words in ways we haven't heard in a long time. he says something interesting. he compares the nfl draft, more or less, to the slave market. listen to this. >> let me tell you something. what they don't want you to understand is what's being established is a power dynamic. before they put you on the field, teams poke, prod, and
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examine you, searching for any defect that might affect your performance.boundary respected. no dignity left in tact. >> come on, boys. hurry up. >> so how apt do you feel is that comparison? >> well, obviously, it's not a one-to-one comparison. you have nfl players who are voluntarily participating and playing. you have, in some cases, folks getting paid millions of dollars. a lot of these players have dreamed about becoming pro since they were kids. but there are some similarities. it's about the use of black bodies for a profit. you're looking at black athletes being evaluated based on their
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physical attributes, their ability to perform labor forgri but it is intended to show, i think, the historical continuity of racial capitalism. so, in some ways, it is like the auction block, where black humanity is reduced to the labor that a black body could perform. this imagery is meant to demonstrate that even with more than a century and a half since race-based slavery, we're still dealing with black labor. in the case of colin kaepernick, we can clearly see that when a pl black person is perceived to be a liability to the bottom line, they can be discarded, just like an object or a piece of property. >> you don't have to agree with colin kaepernick on this or other things, but he does create discussions and make people think, which i think is a big part of what he is doing, to be sure. thank you so much for being with
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us. >> thank you. huma abedin speaking out on the email scandal that rocked the last days of hillary clinton's campaign for president. plus, why potential jurors in the amahmaud arbery trial ar not showing up, as race is a central issue of the black man killed while jogging. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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all right, i think it is safe to say that the political discourse in the united states right now is not kind. right? >> not kind. >> there is a lack of kindness. >> the opposite of kindness. >> there is a rise in toxicity. t it is just there and the question is what do you do about it? how can you live your life when there is so much rage flying around everyone.
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we're lucky to have a friend who has written a book on this subject, kirsten powers, author of the new book out today called "saving grace: speak your truth, stay centered and learn to co-exist with people who drive you nuts ." i've been waiting for this. i was talking about it two years ago and i was excited to get i had hands on it and read my way through it. i feel like we need help here on how to navigate this. >> yes, yeah. >> you say the answer is grace. >> i do. and i say it as a person who has been where everybody else has been where i hit the -- i just hit that wall and it said, this is unsustainable. i can't keep doing this. i can't keep being in a constant rage all the time and hating half of the country and i settled on this idea of grace, which i think a lot of people have a lot of -- they have -- a lot of people when they think of
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grace, they think of rolling over, being nice, letting people do whatever they want, and that's not what grace is. and so i use the christian paradigm, but you don't need to be a christian to use this, which is unmerited favor. and so it is just the idea of looking at other people and seeing the humanity in them and you see that not because of anything they have done, not because you like them, not because they think like you do, but you recognize this is another person, who is allowed to not be me without being demonized. and so, you know, to me the opposite of grace is demonization. you use grace, you say, this is not okay, i am not saying we shouldn't be calling out things that are wrong. i am not saying we can't be angry. angry -- being angry is good. you should be angry when you see injustice. you should be angry when you see people doing things that are harmful. what do we do with that anger? i think that's what a lot of people are wrestling with. >> you have this journey you
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talk with a lot of different people about how to come to this point. i will say is just in time for thanksgiving, right? where so many people come together and they will be with family members that maybe they don't agree with. how can they put this perspective into practice. so i tried to make the book very practical. because when i settled on this idea of grace, i said, how do i get from here to here? what are the actual practical steps? and i think when you think about a thanksgiving dinner, one of the things that i found was the ultimate tool is boundaries. and so rather than going down the road of demonizing the person or maybe even dehumanizing the person, which we see a lot in our culture, it is to use boundaries, it is basically to say maybe you're going to set some boundries around dinner. maybe you're going to say ahead of time, here are the things we're going to talk about and here are things we're not going to talk about. or let's talk about it. but here are some boundaries
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about how we can talk about it. you can't speak to me with contempt. you can't yell at me. you can't generalize about things and these kinds of things. i also think if you adopt a posture of grace, you see your family member as more than the thing that they believe, that they're not just that. that they are other things. doesn't mean that you shouldn't be upset about what they believe, it just means that there are also other things and, you know, your mom who is saying some things that are upsetting you is also your mom who, you know, taught you all of these wonderful values, who was at your little league games and all these things. if we can see the humanity in other people, that can lead us to having better conversations and i have a whole chapter on embracing healthy conflict, how do you have these conversations in a way that is healthy and that both sides can walk away and say we may not agree, but i felt heard and i felt seen and maybe someone actually does change their mind at some point.
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>> in 20 seconds or less, because the control room will show me no grace, how -- what do you get out of it if everyone else doesn't do it? what is in it for me if no one else is doing the gracing? >> that's a good question. the biggest beneficiary of this is you. there is a reason mlk said hate is too great a burden to bear. who bears it? we bear it. so when we're hating other people, when we're judging other people, we're the people who suffer. we take on all of this and then we sit and marinate in it and talk about them and we lay in bed at night and we -- i should have said this and that. and the other person is sleeping like a baby, right? so i think it is something that first and foremost helps us more than it helps other people. >> it corrodes the container that carries it. i remember george w. bush saying -- i'm totally stealing it. george w. bush said that, i think at his dad's funeral. it was something -- >> or like drinking poison and
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expecting the other person to die, right? we're really the people who get hurt when we engage in this kind of behavior. >> very excited about this book "saving grace." kirsten, thank you for sharing it with us. it is so special. >> thank you for reading it. >> of course. a big step forward in the case of kenosha gunman kyle rittenhouse. will inflation eat up your thanksgiving turkey budget? you can't even fight with your family with the new guide posts that kirsten powers sets up because it may be so darn expensive. that's next. as someone who resembles someone else, i appreciate that liberty mutual knows everyone's unique. that's why they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. oh, yeah. that's the spot. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ you're a one-man stitchwork master. but your staffing plan needs to go up a size. you need to hire. i need indee indeed instant match instantlys matching your job descriptio visiindeed.com/hire
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