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plus, senator joe manchin flexing his muscle as he threatens to employeblow up the democrats' plan to pass two of the president's agenda items this week. and the unfriendly skies are getting unfriendlier. what happened on a delta flight, and why it was diverted. the red flags were everywhere. what a new investigation reveals about what happened days after the january 6th attack. good morning to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. it is tuesday, november 2nd, election day in america. this morning, the focus is on two high stakes races for governor in virginia and new jersey. polls just opened in both states. the outcomes will have enormous implications, not just for the candidates and their constituents, but for president
biden and donald trump, as well. in the next 24 hours, we could get a feel for what next year's midterms will look like and maybe even beyond that. in virginia, which is the state that joe biden carried by ten points, the race is neck and neck. will voters in the commonwealth respond to terry mccauliffe's attempt to link youngkin to trump, or will youngkin's position on a parents role and a child's education rule the day? >> i am running against, i like to say, donald trump in khakis or sweater vest. what is he going to do with all those sweater vests at the end of this campaign? donald trump issued two statements attacking me and endorsine ing glenn youngkin. today, two. what does that tell you? maga people not as excited as you thought? >> on day one, i will ban critical race theory from being in our schools. te terry mccauliffe versus virgini,
virginia wins every day of the week. >> in new jersey, phil murphy will try to be the first to win reelection in the state by a democrat for 44 years. ciattarrelli is hoping for an upset. the democrat is also trying to link his republican opponent to donald trump. first, let's go to sunlen serfaty, tracking the gubernatorial race in virginia. she's in arlington outside a polling station. big day today, sunlen. >> reporter: certainly is, brianna. the polls are now open here in virginia. we saw the very first voter go in and cast their ballot in arlington, virginia, a suburb just outside of washington, d.c. this is an extremely, extremely tight race, so every single vote today is going to have a real impact on the outcome. the candidates, the campaigns each know that, and that is why
we've seen this frantic, last-minute dash, both candidates on the hunt for votes, trying to motivate people to come out today and cast their ballot in person. that went late into the evening last night for poetboth candida. we did see democratic terry mcauliffe not deviate whatsoever from the central part of his campaign strategy, which is to tie republican glenn youngkin to the former president, and he argued, falsely claimed last night in his campaign event, he said that glenn youngkin was doing an event with the former president. >> guess how glenn youngkin is finishing his campaign? he is doing an event with donald trump here in virginia. [ crowd booing ] >> i'm here with you, and they've got trump over there. glenn youngkin is closing his
event with donald trump here in virginia, where he brought the hat hatred, the divisiveness that donald trump brought to this country. we're going to put an end to donald trump's future plans right here in virginia. >> reporter: now, notably, terry mcauliffe was wrong with his claims there. the former president did call into this telerally in support of youngkin, but that was a call that youngkin himself did not participate in. the campaign confirmed to cnn last night. the republican candidate, instead, was out on the campaign trail, continuing to try to focus on local issues like education. he appeared at a rally last night with former republican governors from virginia. certainly to try to have a show of force, to remind republican voters of successes in this state. certainly, today is a huge day for both candidates. this has national implications
going forward. a huge day for both parties going into next year's elections. >> this stretches farther than virginia. thank you. you have a busy day ahead of you. thank you for the report. let's go now to our maestro of the magic wall, john berman. tell us which counties in virginia are the ones we really need to be watching tonight. >> yeah. this has to do, i think, largely with how virginia has changed over the last ten years or so. i want to remind people, as we have all morning long, that joe biden won virginia by ten points just one year ago. how did he do it? well, let's look at the population growth in virginia over the last ten years. if you look at this map right here, you can see where the growth has largely been. in the counties here that are more yellow, you can see the population has grown. that's largely around washington, d.c., richmond, virginia, norfolk and virginia beach. where it is yellow, the population has grown. green or blue, it's shrunk.
that's the more rural counties. what did that mean largely for joe biden? look at all the blue votes that he was able to gap just one year ago. all these counties had grown substantially. so look at some of the counties in more depth. loudoun county, this is one of the suburbs of washington, d.c., a key county. joe biden won loudoun county by 25 points. that's a huge margin, and it is a vast difference from past virginia elections. what do i mean? let's look at 2013, the election where terry mcauliffe won the governor's mansion for the first time. he was governor once before. 2013, terry mcauliffe won but just by four points. compared to what joe biden did, winning by 25 points. let's look at another county. chesterfield, aurcoften seen as swing county in virginia. mccauliffe lost. what did joe biden do in the
presidential race just a year ago? joe biden won chesterfield county. what does this mean in the race this time around? well, glenn youngkin, the republican, if he is able to chip away at some of these blue bastions, he doesn't have to win, just chip away. 65% for trump there. 73% there. 71% there. running up huge margins in the rest of the state. you can see, if dpglenn youngki can hold on to the republican votes and make inroads in the suburban areas, he may be on the way to winning. might be why he is focusing on education so much. he thinks education appeals to be suburban voters around washington, d.c., richmond, norfolk, and virginia beach. these are the counties we'll be watching tonight. >> chipping away, that's all he has to do. berman, thank you for that. it is a crucial week ahead, as well, for president biden's
economic agenda. once again, west virginia senator joe manchin raising doubts about biden's $1.75 trillion social safety net bill and whether it can pass the senate. >> for the sake of the country, i urge the house to vote and pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill. holding this hostage is not going to work in getting my support for the reconciliation bill. i won't support a multi-trillion dollar bill without greater clarity about why congress chooses to ignore the serious effects of inflation and debt on our economy and existing government programs. >> clearly, joe manchin is waiting for a price tag here. of course, at this point, the house has not voted on the $1 trillion infrastructure bill, and manchin, as well, wants the house to move ahead with that as well. let's talk about this now with cnn white house correspondent john harwood, as well as democratic strategist michael
star hopkins, who is with us. these were some interesting dramatics yesterday. it felt like joe manchin was throwing firecrackers at the feet of prodepgressive democrat. largely, they didn't jump and said, "let's stay fair." >> it was a self-indulgent performance for joe manchin. first of all, his principle goal seemed to be to say, nobody is going to pressure me into doing something i don't want to do, and i'm not going to be blackmailed into voting for this reconciliation package. but the objective, he claimed, was, i want to pass that infrastructure bill. well, the house was on track to pass the infrastructure bill. in fact, they still are. that's going to happen. the only thing he did by that press conference was make that more difficult. it looks like the progressives are going to stick together and pass it, but he complicated his own objective. he also really stuck it to joe biden while joe biden was over in glasgow talking about climate change. raising the question about
whether he'd support this reconciliation effort that's got $500 billion for climate change programs. now, both the white house and democratic leaders are betting that this was mostly theatrics, and he is going to end up supporting the bill. he says, "i want greater clarity. i want to know what it costs." everybody is waiting for the cbo score, so that was going to happen anyway. the bill isn't passing the senate until around thanksgiving or maybe later. joe manchin seemed to decide that his own needs of showing his independence were more important than those of the rest of the party and the president. >> if he's sticking it to joe biden, he might have to get in line. because the progressives did that last week. the progressives wouldn't get on board for a vote before biden left for europe. but now, now, five days later, jayapal, the chair of the house democratic progressive caucus, is saying, "we support both bills. we'll be a yes on both bills." she's saying that after joe manchin sort of kicked them all
in the teeth. i'm trying to figure out what's going on here, michael. help me understand why they were a no last week before joe manchin got nasty, but now they're a yes. >> what's up is down, and what's down is up. progressives have sided with the president in a way that i don't think many of us actually expected. i think, really, the primary reason is when you look at senator manchin, he represents one of the poorest states in the country, yet he wants to talk about fiscal responsibility without doing any types of taxes that would actually tax the rich, that would help his state, that would help fund things like paid family leave or expanded medicaid, medicare, and it makes no sense. pause because inside his state, so many people would benefit. i think what progressive haves d -- have done is back him into a corner. are you not backing a bill your state overwhelmingly supports? >> i want to take issue with the frame. i don't think progressives were sticking it to joe biden last week. progressives are trying to pass joe biden's agenda. joe biden's agenda is both of
those bills. he, himself, this summer, explicitly linked them and said, "i need both of those bills, not one." they're trying to vindicate the strategy. manchin's performance yesterday illustrated why they were reluctant. they want to know he is going to be there. they decided after the framework was released and everybody had private conversations that they were good, that biden was -- that manchin was going to be there. but manchin continues to try to give them reasons to distrust that prospect. >> pamelramila jayapal, who wil on the show later, says, "i trust the president." it is on the president to sbrin joe manchin along. people who have been watching, and i'm sorry for those watching with interest, wanting to know if this is going to pass, that's what they want to know. is this going to pass, the larger safety net bill? is this going to go forward?
>> not version of it has to go forward if democrats want any chance of winning any seats in the midterms. at the end of the day, i think joe manchin has to decide, does he want to be a lobbyist or senator? he is lobbying for industry and not representing his constituents. if democrats want to have a chance, joe manchin needs to step up. >> best alternative to a negotiated agreement, which is your fallback plan, what you're willing to live with. i felt joe manchin was entering this as liking the infrastructure bill, would like the roads and bridges, but he is happy with nothing. >> that is true. he doesn't need it. he wants the infrastructure bill more than the reconciliation bill, but he doesn't have to have it. at the end of the day, though, he is part of the democratic party for a reason, we presume. don't think he's likely to switch parties. and you've got colleagues, and it is a team sport.
i do think on your question, brianna, one of our colleagues, steve dennis, who you know from the hill, sent a tweet saying, here's the legislative bargaining process. he typed the world "no" a hundred times, and then he typed "yes" at the end. that might be the phase. it is a grinding rhythm. doesn't match the rhythms of cable tv. every hour, do they have it? do they have it? they're betting it'll be there by the end of the year. >> it ain't pretty. >> john harwood, michael star hopkins, thank you pboth so muc. >> you bet. delta flight diverted after an on-board distur bbance with passenger. what happened this time during a ride in the unfriendly skies? we have details of what happened the moments after the capitol insurrection. and, oh, my god, i drink wine. not my words, though they might as well will be.
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a new ins dcident of an unr passenger landing a plane. monday, a delta flight was forced to land at dallas after an on-board customer di complication. >> 4,949 reports reported to the faa this year alone. notably, last week, when an american airlines attendant was punched in the face by a passenger. now this. here is the photo from on board this delta flight that diverted
to dallas last night. on board the poster says that police came on board and removed the passenger. delta issued a statement in which it says, delta has zero tolerance for unruly behavior at our airports and on board our aircraft. we applaud the crew's decision to divert and address the situation as expeditiously as possible, so the remainder of our customers could resume their travel. the truth is here, airline unions have been pushing the department of justice to get tough on this issue. in fact, there have been new indictments about this. a federal court indicted a man yesterday on a different delta flight, on christmas eve, when he tried to enter the cockpit. he could face up to 20 years in jail. >> legal action is starting to come in these cases. there are charges in an alleged assault on a flight attendant. >> that was an american airlines flight. ceo of american called it one of the worst incidents of unruly passengers in the airline
history. 20-year-old brewbrian sue s. the flight attendant was trying to keep the man from the bathroom when he punched her in the face. one witness remembered the victim jumping in front of the door, and sue striking her in a way that seemed practiced or trained. the third witness recalled it said, i have fractured my nose, after the strike. another remembering hsu hitting with a swing. the flight attendant didn't end up getting a broken nose, though she got a concussion with the punch forcing her against the laboratory door. >> horrible. >> happens all the time. airlines try to say these are rare, and vast majority of flights are peaceful. but it's a lot of incidents a
day when you count it over the year. this is happening a lot. way more than it has in the past. seems like people are deranged when they get on airplanes these days. >> pete muntean, i've been a fan. even more interesting to be in a room together. >> thank you so much. red flags are everywhere. what happened days after the january 6th attack. plus, new this morning, mike pence asked about who told him to ignore donald trump's plea to overturn the election. hear his answer.
riot. there was confusion. agencies failed to heed mounting warnings about violence, and the fbi was forced to imp rovise a plan to take back the capitol. the early 2002 -- sorry -- the early 202 newsletter. >> that's our area code. >> oh, i get it. >> we're 2022. >> i'm the 617. >> a reporter credited on the piece, i was excited you were on the three-part series, which is really fascinating. not that i don't read the 202 thing every day. every day. but talk about the warning signs that were missed. >> yeah. there was a plethora of warning signs here, which is why i think it was so shocking as this team of 75 different reporters at the "washington post" dive into this and were able to collect a number of them. but from the fbi to, you know, the national guard to basically every single law enforcement
agency, there were warnings that were starting in november that peaked or spiked on december 19th, when former president, president trump at the time, tweeted out, come to d.c., the stop the steal rally on january 6th is going to be wild. from there, that's when, i think, the red flags became impossible to miss. it was a combination of, you know, a surge of online warnings, on a lot of social media networks used by hate groups and conservatives. places like telegraph, reddit. people actively, publicly planning out how they were going to actually follow through on trump's directives to storm the capitol. and then from there, a lot of the planning that took place in plain view. there is a number of reasons that contributed to why the fbi and the cia and, again, all of
our law enforcement agencies missed a lot of these warning signs, but a lot of them had to do with the president himself. he had sort of weakened and scared a lot of these apparatuses that would normally be able to snap into action. but you had someone like christopher wray, scared to make a public statement condemning and trying to scare away some of these protesters and, you know, i don't think they necessarily thought they were potential rioters at the time, but didn't want to put out a public statement because he was worried it'd incur the wrath of trump and aggravate him even more and cause him to make a public statement that would exacerbate the situation even more. i recommend you spend, viewers, 30 minutes of your time to go into this and really dig deep in it. >> it is not just a piece. this is a cool kind of interactive experience, and you focus on the before, the during, and then you focus on the after. what do people need to know about after january 6th? >> yeah.
you know, i actually -- i think the during is probably the most riveting read, but i think the after is probably the most important read. because the repercussions and the spirit of january 6th and the riot, the insurrection on the capitol that we saw, it lives on and well and is thriving. i think we're seeing it permeate a lot of state legislatures, local election officials. you know, this galvanizing idea of election integrity is what has taken hold in a lot of republican legislatures and republican campaigns around the country. there are now 390 local officials that are running for office on the platform of the fact there was election fraud which, again, is unsubstantiated. there's been countless investigations, and nothing that is valid has come out of these investigations. nevertheless, these candidates are campaigning on this platform. even some of the people who held the line against president
trump. the arizona attorney general who said, you know, "i don't agree with the president. we don't need to do these audits. i've seen no election fraud," is now running against kelly in the election seat, running election fraud and having his office conduct an investigation into -- from his election integrities office at the moment, which democrats are calling a political stunt. >> it's really amazing how it's shifted, the insurrection, from a point of shame to a point of pride for election officials around the country. mike pence, the former vice president of the united states, who might want to be president going forward, he is having to explain his decision not to overturn the election unilaterally on january 6th. let's listen to what he said last night. >> what is the name of the person who told you to buck president trump's plan and certify the votes? >> james madison.
>> he brought up james madison because james madison, one of the primary authors of the constitution, and what mike pence is suggesting there is he had no constitutional authority to overturn the election, despite what john eastman and lawyers working on behalf of the president was saying. >> that's what we go into for the during. the public and private pressure campaign, the extreme pressure campaign on vice president pence. you had eastman arguing this six-point memo to the vice president in the days leading up to january 6th. and on january 6th, actually, we were able to uncover these private emails between vice president pence's general counsel and john eastman, where he was blamed for violence when pence's team was undercover and hiding from the insurrectionists. when i asked john eastman about the email, when he said everyone is under siege because of your boss' decision. he said it was a gross exaggeration, to say that mike
pence was running for his hilif. that's some of the listeanguage sources had run by us. 8:00 p.m. on the day of the insurrection, after the violence, after vice president pence had retaken the senate floor to preside over the electoral certification, and people had died because of the insurrection, john eastman said, by the way, you can still do this. you've already violated the electoral count act by having debate go over 2 hours, so it is nullified. you now have the constitutional authority to go ahead and send this back to the state legislatures. >> amazing. he asked, what would james madison do? we also know he asked, what would dan quayle do? >> right, exactly. >> he consulted with dan quayle. >> when in doubt, call dan quayle. >> and james madison. >> you'll get an answer more quickly than if you ask james madison. jackie, terrific reporting. join jake tapper for a special report, "trumping democracy, an
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someone have an abortion after six weeks of pregnancy. and we'll listen to brett kavanaugh express concerns first about if states can actually insulate themselves from bans on apportion, what about any other kind of bans on other constitutional rights? let's hear what he had to say. >> could be free speech rights. could be free exercise of religion rights. could be second amendment rights if this position is accept epied here. the theory of the brief is it could be replicated in other states that favor other constitutional rights. >> he is concerned about the domino effect here, and i think that was a good, good sign. that, likely, he, and possibly justice barrett, might now be willing to actually vote against texas, at least at this initial stage, and put the law temporarily on hold while lower
court proceedings look at the merits of this law, this unconventional law. elena kagan, one of the three remaining liberals on the bench, so in the minority. we know where she stands, but she crystallized several points. said during one exchange to the lawyer for texas, the solicitor general, judge stone, he said, essentially, let's get real here. this is not a hypothetical situation anymore. there are actually women in texas who have been stopped from exercising their constitutional right to abortion. a constitutional right that has been in place since 1973's roe versus wade. let's hear what she also had to say about the possible domino effect here. this is elena kagan coming now. >> essentially, we would be inviting states, all 50 of them, with respect to their unpreferred constitutional rights, to try to nullify the law that this court has laid
down, as to the content of those rights. i mean, that was something that, until this law came along, no state dreamed of doing. essentially, we would be, like, you're open for business. there's nothing the supreme court can do about it. guns, same-sex marriage, religious rights, whatever you don't like, do ahead. >> so all told, it looked like there should now be a majority to at least temporarily block this law and let lower courts take a look at it. again, we don't know yet. remember, we still had twice the supreme court conservative majority has let it be in effect. so for two full months, women in texas essentially have not had the right to abortion. so that will be the next thing we'll see from there. then, just to remind everyone of what's coming next, an actual challenge to the core merits of roe v. wade will be heard by the
justices on december 1st in a mississippi case where the state has tried to ban abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. >> important to know that. they can still block the texas law, but later, more or less, overturn roe versus wade in mississippi. >> that's completely it, john. that's, frankly, what we are expecting, if not outright overturning, seriously undercutting for the first time in nearly half a century. >> thank you for explaining all this and for being in the room. one of the few people who could see this historic moment. >> right. >> the rest of us could only hear. i'm not that interested in that. no, i don't care much about that. thank you. >> he really is interested in that. >> it is madness. >> i just would love to see it and not have to go in person, which you can't even do now. >> hard to get a ticket. >> i'll tell you. >> what? >> i'll just keep coming back. >> oh, yes. >> i was like, you'll tell me what? yes, all about what you see and hear. joan, thank you so much. so in our adele segment of the day, as it were, the singer
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$6 billion could alleviate global poverty and help 42 million people who are on the brink of starvation. that is according to the world food program, which is calling on billionaires like tesla's elon musk to donate. in response, musk tweeted this, "if wfp can describe on this twitter thread exactly how $6 billion will solve world hunger, i will sell tesla stock right now and do it." he added that it must be open source accounting so that the public can see where the money is going. joining me now is david beasley, the head of the u.n. world food
program. david, you responded to this. the world food program responded to this. tell us what you are saying to elon musk. he wants an explanation here about how this money could be used. >> you know, this is fantastic news because elon is a very, very smart guy. for him to even enter into this conversation is a game-changer because simply put, we can answer his questions. we can put forward the plan that's clear. we're the world's largest oper operation, now feeding about 120 million people. because of covid impacting climate change and conflict, we have a one-time crisis of about 42 million people that are literally knocking on famine's door. it'll cost over $6 billion to reach those 42 million. we can do that. i will show him. we will put it out in front of him. we have all the cost accounting, public transparency, any and everything he would ask, we'd be glad to answer it. i look forward to having this discussion with him because lives are at stake.
i'm not picking on elon musk. i'm so happy that he is making money, but as you know, during the height of covid, billionaires made extraordinary amounts of money. governments are tapped out. we have people dying. we've got an answer to this. please help us on this one-time ask. please help us. >> you're calling on billionaires, as you said, because governments are tapped out. you're at this crucial moment. describe for us the state of -- i know you said 42 million, but take it through what it is like to be one of those people. >> oh, my gosh. brianna, i go out in the field, as you know, all the time. and i remember in yemen, i was t tickling a little girl's foot. might have been a year old. it was like tickling a goat. she didn't respond. i have four children. i saw recently in madagascar, in the central americas, as well as ethiopia, sudan, the children that are emaciated, bloated, and dying from hunger. when i joined the world food program, there were 80 million
people, what we say, marching toward starvation. the number spiked to 135 pre-covid because of manmade climate change. covid will come down. economies will move again strongly. so we have a one-time crisis. if we don't, brianna, do this, i'll tell you what is going to happen. it's not just that people will die. you're also talking about destabilization of nations and mass migration, which is a hundred times more expensive than the $6 billion. in fact, it could be a thousand times more. i'll give you a simple example in central america. recently, i saw on the "washington post" where they had an article that the united states was spending $60 million a week at a cost of $3,750 per person, children and teenagers in shelters. that same child back in d guatemala, we can do it $1 to $2 a week.
people don't want to leave home. if they don't have food and don't have peace, they'll do what any of us would do as moms and dads, they'll find it. when we feed 120 million people we do every day, week, month, year, we survey people. we talk to people. they don't want to leave. this 42 million we're talk about, they're on famine's door. this is the worst-case scenario. it's a one-time ask for the world's billionaires. i saw elon musk's net worth went up $21 million yesterday. last year, the top 400 billion n bill billionaires network went up trillions of dollars. i'm not picking on them. just help share in a one-time crisis. save lives. keep nations from destabilizing. keep mass migration from taking place. it is a cheap fix. please help us. >> as you have said, $6 billion does not solve world hunger, but it could save 42 million lives. we will see how elon musk responds and if he puts his
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cdc advisory panel on infectious diseases. thank you for being with us, doctor. assuming you say yes, when does that mean kids can get the shot? >> yeah. i don't know exactly when all of the states and jurisdictions will be ready to go, but i think that a lot of people will be ready to go by the end of the week, if not tomorrow. you know, my own medical system is ready to go on monday next week. >> i mean, we should be clear here, you had 101,000 children, that's a lot, infected with covid last week. it is declining, but it's still very high. >> yeah. you know, i think what you're bringing out is that children continue to be vulnerable because they are a part of the population that has not been allowed to receive vaccine. we'll look at the data to see how safe the vaccine is and how
effacacious it'll be. children are an important part of our society. >> a poll shows only 33% of parents say they're definitely going to have their children vaccinated. how do you make in roads there? >> yeah, that's a terrific question. you know, a lot of parents are very concerned about the safety features about the vaccine. they may have received it themselves and still have a lot of hesitancy regarding the value of the vaccine in their own children. so i think that there is a big divide. i think that we continue to have a problem with the public understanding the value of these vaccines. we will discuss the safety of
these vaccines. we'll discuss the efficacy today. it'll be an ongoing discussion. i think that, again, after this meeting, it will be the beginning of a many series of meetings at the local level with everyone so that they can understand the true value of these vaccines. i don't expect that, you know, this meeting will convince 50% or more of the population to get vaccinated or to have their children vaccinated. i think, again, it's just the beginning of a number of conversations to be able to discuss these vaccines. >> dr. chen, can you talk to us about how the cdc is now pointing to this new research that shows immunity from the vaccine is more consistent than immunity from an infection. what can you tell us about this. >> yeah. there is data that is suggesting that, you know, when you vaccinate someone, it really seems to have, you know, a more predictable immune response, which is protective and long
lasting. and, of course, it's a safe way to illicit a protective immune response, compared to infection, for which the strength of the infection, you know, can also affect the immune response. meaning a person with a mild infection may not have a long-lasting immune response. whereas, a person who has a very severe infection may get a strong immune response if they survive it. >> yeah, it's important research. i think we knew this, but it is such an important new data point in all this. dr. wilber chen, thanks for being with us. >> okay. thank you. >> "new day" continues right now. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. it is tuesday, november 2nd. americans are heading to the polls on this election day. in some ways, the race between joe biden and donald trump may be playing out all over again. this morning, all eyes are on two critical races for governor. in virginia,