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all right. i'm going to be in rome all weekend as part of cnn's coverage of the g20 summit. as they say here -- [ speaking foreign language ] i'll see you tomorrow beginning at 11:00 a.m. eastern. but right now "don lemon tonight" starts with its big star d-lemon. you got the president of the united states saying drinks on you to the pope and telling him a story about satchel paige. what a day. >> what a day. two of the most famous catholics in the world right now. the biggest catholics in the world getting together. i thought it was interesting. i kind of want to relate to what is happening where we live because someone we know, father beck, who weighed in on this. and now all of a sudden is not at his parish out on long island in montauk near where we live.
so i hope that the folks there are listening because a lot of people are upset that he's gone for saying something that the pope cleared up today. do you disagree? >> the pope has now said it twice. he called joe biden again. you know, look, people are like so what, he said -- popes, you either respect the history and the tradition or you don't. we don't hear a pope say someone is a good catholic. >> right. >> and for him to say that to joe biden was really him trying to be instructive of a point. it's like literally, he said to the u.s. bishops this is the second time i've told you this now. this guy can get communion. focus on something else. >> right. >> and it will be interesting to see whether or not they heed francis's call. >> yeah. listen, i'll say sometimes church people can be really churchy. and that's -- the church that i go to on the internet a lot. and that is the potter's house in dallas, texas with bishop
t.d. jakes. but sometimes church people can be the most judgmental. i'm just saying. sometimes christians can be the most judgmental. and maybe we should think about that when we're making these calls and making these edicts. but i've got to tell you, the president's got a lot on his plate there and he's got a lot on his plate back home. when you get back -- when do you come back? monday or so? we're going to be covering the election. >> yeah. >> you'll be dealing with that as well. so there's a lot going on. >> it's the first real measure of the projection of democrat power. look, i know we all have, you and me both we have people on here, the democrats spinning that this is a good thing that's going on, it's robust conversation. we're going to see in this virginia race if the masses are going to match the media spin. because terry mcauliffe has no business being locked up in a tied race with glenn youngkin. he's a popular former governor there. virginia is blue. biden won it by ten points. the democrats don't think this process has hurt them. i think they may see a different lesson in tuesday's election. >> i don't disagree with you.
i think if they were going to have that message that this is the process, this is the way democracy works, then that should have been the messaging from the very beginning and it shouldn't have been all these arbitrary deadlines. and maybe they could be winning with that message. this is how a democracy should work. we're going to negotiate. we're going to have as many voices participate as possible. but instead thee they gave these deadlines, oh, they didn't meet this deadline, they didn't meet that deadline, what are the democrats doing, they can't get it together. and now that is the message and the narrative pouring out. i'll let you go. you can buy some drinks for you or anybody else, the pope or the president. i love you. i'll see you later. >> his house is right behind me. >> i'll see you. thank you, sir. so this is "don lemon tonight." thank you so much for joining us. all eyes are on virginia. it is the key race. the race for governor. and the decision day is just four days away as we have been discussing. the outcome will likely have far-reaching implications on our national politics. it could be an early indicator about which way our country is
heading. the democrat in this race, terry mcauliffe, on the left of your screen versus republican glenn youngkin on the right. the race is really neck and neck. the latest poll by the "washington post" and the shar school has mcauliffe at 49%. youngkin at 48%. that's really neck and neck, right? that's in line with earlier polling by monmouth university and cbs. although a late fox news poll shows glenn youngkin ahead. so let me just say this. just so you know. i'm not here to endorse one candidate over another. that is for virginia's voters to decide. what i am doing here, though, is i'm trying to point out to you how important this is. what is at stake here. what it indicates. how voters in virginia could be a microcosm for the larger american electorate. just one year out from the all-important 2022 midterm elections. democrats desperately want mcauliffe to win virginia. and tonight his campaign getting
a big boost from the vice president kamala harris. >> now, you all know that every four years when this election happens for governor of virginia it's a tight election, it's a close election, and it is a bellwether for what happens in the rest of the country. >> what happens in virginia will in large part determine what happens in 2022, 2024, and on. >> so let me just point out the obvious offering over this race, is the specter of the former president and terry mcauliffe, who was leading but has slipped in the polls, is trying to convince virginia voters that a vote for glenn youngkin is a vote for you know who. >> he encouraged speculation that donald trump could be reinstated to office. donald trump. >> donald trump. >> donald trump has endorsed glenn youngkin.
>> donald trump. >> donald trump. >> he we don't need a lapdog fo donald trump. >> just a few days mcauliffe campaigned with president biden who beat his predecessor by ten points in virginia. but now in that same state this race is neck and neck. biden also pushing youngkin right into trump's corner. >> terry's opponent has made all of his private pledges of loyalty to donald trump. but what's really interesting to me, he won't stand next to donald trump now that the campaign's on. think about it. he won't allow donald trump to campaign for him in this state. >> well, the democrats' strategy, will it work? we'll find out soon enough. tuesday night, to be specific. and we're going to cover all of it for you all night. so like i said, mcauliffe has been slipping in the polls. he wanted biden's infrastructure and social spending bills passed by now. maybe even more than the
president did. he pleaded with democrats in congress to get it done. it's close but it's not there yet and it's too late for mcauliffe where voters have been casting ballots for weekends now. for his part youngkin's been trying to keep his distance from the former president. he didn't want to campaign with him. >> well, he's not coming. and in fact, we're campaigning as virginians in virginia with virginians. >> his strategy has been to rile up voters about what kids are being taught in schools and throwing in some fear and lies about critical race theory. it may be working. he's gaining in the polls. again, we'll now on tuesday. we're going to know how voters feel. but one thing is for certain. one thing's for sure. if youngkin wins, trump's going to take credit and claim momentum ahead of next year's midterms and a possible second run for the white house in 2024. and the democrats will have lost a state that president biden won
by ten points just one year ago. so yes, there is a lot at stake in this race. repercussions nationwide and elections to come. we're also learning today that congressman adam kinzinger of illinois is not seeking re-election. he's retiring from congress. that is too bad. because kinzinger, a republican, is a fierce critic of the former president, one of very few who are willing to stand up to his slash and burn style of politics. and who stands up for the truth and who stands up for our democracy. that's why it's a real shame. kinzinger's one of only ten republicans in the house to vote to impeach the former president, and he's one of the only two republicans along with liz cheney to agree to sit on the select committee investigating the deadly january 6th insurrection. making his announcement today and saying this. >> this country is in an incredibly perilous time because
in this day to prevail or survive you must belong to a tribe. dehumanizing each other has become the norm. we've taken it from social media to the streets. >> he's right. dehumanizing behavior has become the norm. i'm going to give you some examples. so bear with me. followers of the former president fed a constant stream of lies that the election was stolen thought it was okay to storm the capitol on january 6th. [ yelling ] >> dehumanizing behavior. five people died that day. yet some of kinzinger's gop colleagues in the house amazingly outright dismissing the violence. >> it was no insurrection. and to call it an insurrection in my opinion is a boldfaced lie. >> outright propaganda and lies are being used to unleash the
national security state against law-abiding u.s. citizens, especially trump voters. as a result the d.o.j. is harassing -- harassing peaceful patriots across the country. >> it was trump supporters who lost their lives that day, not trump supporters who were taking the lives of others. >> when i see this sheet with a timeline, the -- let's see. okay. at 2:07 a mob of trump supporters breached the steps. i don't know who did a poll that it's trump supporters. >> there have been things worse than people without any firearms coming into a building. >> adam kinzinger also calling out the former president without saying his name. >> we've allowed leaders to reach power selling the false premise that strength comes from
degrading others and dehumanizing those that look, act, or think differently than we do. >> it also applies to members of congress who rather than debating issues on the floor of the house, which is their job, scream at their opponents on the steps of the capitol. >> a baby up until birth is a lack of civility. it's called murder. lack of civility. how about lack of laws or protecting -- >> you should practice the basic thing you're taught in church. respect your neighbor. >> marjorie taylor greene egregious behavior is embarrassing. a member of congress yelling at a colleague in public. but sadly not unusual anymore, according to adam kinzinger. >> in congress i've witnessed how division is heavily rooted. there's little to no desire to bridge our differences, and unity is no longer a word we
use. >> so where do we go from here? where we go is really important. more important than ever. and when truth telling, democracy-defending republicans don't think there's a place for them in their party anymore, it's time for the gop to do some real soul searching. think that'll happen? i'll let you decide. now just four days to go until the election, a very important election for governor in virginia. up next, the experts weigh in on the race that is too close to call tonight. >> watch what's happening around this country. this is no joke. you think they don't think -- and i'm watching this around the country. think if they can take virginia we can do this a lot of other places? don't let virginia be an experiment.
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people's here. >> flip a coin. >> i'm kidding, guys. good to see both of you. glad to have you on a friday night. larry, i'm going to start with you in virginia. you know it like the back of your hand. just days from the election, a new "washington post" poll has youngkin and mcauliffe in a tight race. come tuesday, what do you expect? >> i expect it to be close and competitive and tight just like that is. i have to tell you, you often look, and mark has seen this so many times, you look to campaigns themselves to see what their mood is. you can read some things into it. maybe inaccurately. the republicans here are just through the roof with excitement. and the crowds are large for youngkin. they feel like they're finally on the verge of victory after losing everything for a decade. the democrats are tense. they're nervous. they can't believe they're in
this position where it's extremely close. they hadn't expected it this way. now, that doesn't necessarily mean youngkin will win and mcauliffe will lose. but it tells you this campaign that's ended up in an unexpected place, probably for both sides. >> yeah. so momentum. momentum, mark. where do you pin mcauliffe's lack of momentum? how much of it can you put on president biden's falling approval ratings or the stalled domestic agenda? does that have anything to do with it? >> i think it's part of it, don. but as larry said there's data out there supporting the notion that the race has tightened up. but i spent a lot of time on the ground there last week and the week before and just as a guy who's been in a lot of campaigns one of the things i just look for is what larry said, where's the momentum, where can you feel the wind -- who's got the wind at their back? and it's absolutely the youngkin campaign. i mean, their rallies have -- it feels very organic. people are very excited. you go to the mcauliffe rallies
and it's very flat, very down. what's happened in this race is youngkin has done a really good job of keeping trump out of it, keeping it very localized, making it a tip o'neill, all politics is local race, and mcauliffe has made it nationalized and it's all about trump. and you know, plus the problem is that mcauliffe has just been around the track a lot. he's an older generation. he's not a new face. not necessarily the best nominee for the democratic party in the current era. >> yeah. hey, let me ask you, larry, what about early voting or mail-in voting? will that make a difference and in whose favor is that? >> well, it's certainly going to make a big difference. it may not make the difference. we're going to have well over a million early votes. and virginia's just started a system where you can vote early either in person or by mail. if the mail's ever delivered. and a million-plus people will
have done that by election day. but the overall turnout will be my guess is 2 1/2 million, 3 million. so a majority of the vote will still be cast on election day. the early vote all the modeling, and both sides pretty much agree with this, the modeling suggests that democrats van edge of maybe 60-40, somewhere in that vicinity. they're the 60, republicans are the 40. so if mcauliffe pulls it out it's going to be because they banked a heck of a lot of early votes, maybe before the race became closer, people even focused on youngkin. the voting began september 17th. that was a long time ago. >> yeah, that was a long time ago. mark, youngkin was first seen as a romney type gop candidate, but the final stretch of his campaign has been fueled by the fight over parental rights, critical race theory. listen to this. >> so friends, on day one i will ban critical race theory from our schools. we're going to give parents choice in our public school
system. but friends, we know it all starts, it all starts with curriculum. but we will not teach our children to actually compete against one another based on race. >> terry mcauliffe wants to put government between parents and children. >> it's amazing to me, mark, how democrats have a message of winning, we want to help the country, we want to get nursery school, get kids in school and parents and child care. they can't win with that. but the republicans can win with something that's not happening because he's hitting a nerve with voters. recent polls show education climbing in importance among voters even if it's hogwash, that he's talking about critical race theory, which is not being taught. he's winning on the culture war front. >> well, he's doing something very interesting. yes, the fact is he's put his thumb on an issue which is really hot not just in virginia but all across the country, and that's just education broadly. because of covid, because of school boards, all kinds of
issues. cultural race theory is a kind of dog whistle that they use very artfully, the youngkin campaign is. it's interesting, you heard him talk about it there, but they have run zero ads that mention critical race theory. they talk about parental control. they talk about lots of other things. but they don't mention critical race theory in the ads. that's directed at the base. the broader parental involvement message is for independents, conservative democrats, soft republicans. it's interesting, they try and keep that below the radar. but we had on our show alex wagner, my co-host, interviewed a woman who's been very prominent in the critical race theory advocacy in virginia. and it was interesting that -- >> hey, mark, can we play that for you? let's play it. >> oh, great, yeah. >> let's play it. >> i've seen what the training looks like. they call it culturally responsive training. it is definitely racist. they are putting down the child for the color of their skin.
>> where do you see evidence of that? >> one particular sixth grade at a middle school here. it was a rap song pushing the slaughter of the native americans. the lyrics of the song was putting down andrew jackson at the time. >> well, i mean, i think a lot of people would credit andrew jackson with the genocide of the native population. >> yes. but how do you discuss it without -- >> denigrating white people? >> right. at what point do you forgive and stop segregating? >> mark? >> the interesting thing about her point of view is that when we went to interview her she's not a rogue character. she actually got the sign-off from the campaign to talk to us. the clip goes on for a while, and believe me, it gets very controversial, don, as she says, you know, that black kids aren't judged on the color of their skin, it's how they dress, and
that they're not respectful to police and that's why they get arrested. and it it goes on and on. but my point is the youngkin campaign signed off on her being a surrogate for them. >> wow. larry, what did you think of that? >> well, i just want to add one thing. you know, mark is young and you're young, but i'm ancient and i have been here in virginia since the 1960s and i've noticed one little thing. every time a republican is either behind or in a really close race they find a way to drag race into the campaign. every time. every time. sometimes it's immigrants. sometimes it's blacks. sometimes it's latinos, other groups. and this critical race theory discussion -- and mark is right, it isn't in the ads. it's in the stump speeches. critical race theory is a way of speaking to whites and saying to whites don't let the blacks take over. they've already taken over.
they've already taken over. stop them. this is your chance to stop them. and i consider that repulsive. whether you're for a candidate's conservative philosophy or against. why does race always have to be dragged into it? >> well, can you answer that question? why do you think? >> because whites are still a large majority and maybe some are concerned about the fact that the society is moving toward a multiracial society in the 2040s and they're concerned about their position in society and they want to make sure they're still on top. >> same question, mark. >> oh, i think larry's exactly right. i mean, what's happening is that they are losing their majority status and they think the only way to maintain power in a diversified culture is to double down on these kind of messages which they think will amp up the diminishing white turnout that they have. >> there's no lack of material for either of you.
for the polls and for your show. thank you, gentlemen. i'll see you next week. we will be talking about this. have a great weekend. i'll be watching this weekend as well. thank you. so fierce trump critic republican congressman adam kinzinger not running for re-election. will there be anyone left in the gop to call out the b.s.? try pantene daily moisture renewal conditioner. its color-safe formula uses smart conditioners to micro-target damage helping to repair hair without weighing it down. try pantene.
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another vocal trump critic leaving congress. republican congressman adam kinzinger announcing today that he won't run for re-election in 2022. taking shots at the former president and his enablers in a retirement message. >> we've allowed leaders to reach power selling the false premise that strength comes from degrading others and dehumanizing those that look, act, or think differently than we do. it has become increasingly obvious to me that as a country we must unplug from the mistruths we've been fed. i cannot focus on both a re-election to congress and a broader fight nationwide. >> so joining me now, cnn global affairs analyst mr. max boot. max, good to see you. good evening to you. so kinzinger was one of the top -- one of the trump ten. one of the trump ten i should say, the ten republicans who voted for impeachment. now two of them are not seeking
re-election. the rest are facing primary challenges, some backed by trump. will any of them be able to survive in the trump gop? >> that's a great question, don. i mean, today trump said "2 down, 8 to go." and he may well get the other eight too. they're all facing very tough challenges, including liz cheney, who has multiple challengers lining up to run against her. i think it's just very tough to be a patriot in today's republican party because anybody who stands up for our democracy and for the constitution is driven out. that's not what the republican party wants. they want trump lickspittles, people who will back the big lie, people who will back donald trump because pretty much the only thing holding the republican party together right now is loyalty to donald trump. >> you know, kinzinger was once seen as the future of the gop. served in the air force. he's a foreign policy expert. and at least for now he is not
seeking re-election. look, he says he wants to -- he can't run and then try to make a broader change within the republican party within the system there. i mean, what do you think, is this the republican party eating its own or politics eating its own? the big lie and all that? >> yeah, absolutely, don. there's almost no room in today's republican party for anybody who stands up to trump. i mean, there's a handful of exceptions like larry hogan, who are governors in blue states. but if you have a republican district or if you represent a republican state, the voters expect you to be 100% loyal to trump. i mean, you have polls show that something like 70% to 80% of republicans want donald trump to vote again and well over 60% believe the big lie, believe that trump actually won the last election. this is just collective madness which has seized the party and -- >> i mean, max, there's
absolutely no evidence. the evidence all points in the other direction. even when they had the fraudits and they do recount after recount after he count and it shows that none of what trump is saying and the people who believe the big lie, none of it is true. i don't understand it. what is that? >> you know, it's a collective madness, don, which has seized the republican party. i mean, you've p other moments in history where people have fallen in behind authoritarian leaders who have promised fantastical things and their followers, the followers have believed what seems to outsiders to be literally insane promises or nonsensical arguments. i mean, this is just basically a cult. it's this massive madness which is gripping the republican party. and it's frightening to behold.
>> it's really -- it's fascinating just as an observer. and frustrating as an observer just watching it. republicans are running on the culture wars. you can see it, what's happening in virginia with glenn youngkin. listen to what ted cruz, how he was defending -- what he was defending in a hearing with merrick garland this week. watch this. >> during this hearing i counted 20 incidents cited. of the 20, 15 on their face are non-violent. they involve things like insults. they involve a nazi salute. that's one of the examples. my god! a parent did a nazi salute at a school board because they thought the policies were oppressive. general garland, is doing a nazi salute at an elected official, is that protected by the first amendment? >> yes, it is. >> what was interesting was what he was pointing out there had no truth, what he was saying about that memo. there was absolutely no truth
to. it's absurd the hysteria over masks and critical race theory that an elected senator is defending a nazi salute as a form of protest and basically mischaracterizing the memo that he's using to do that. do you understand what i'm saying? >> yeah, it's bizarre, don, that this is the ground where ted cruz chooses to pick a fight, that he is enraged about a nazi salute and he's berating the jewish attorney general to get him to agree that it's okay to give nazi salutes. it's just astonishing what passes for politics in this republican party. and at a political level it may be vindicated, all this hysteria in virginia over, you know, high school senior reading a toni morrison novel. it's kind of paying off for glenn youngkin. but don, the point i want to stress here is this. that is not the issue in virginia. it's not the issue all around the country.
the issue is very simple. do you support or oppose donald trump's war on american democracy? and it's pretty clear that glenn youngkin and a lot of other republicans don't have the courage to oppose trump's war on democracy and those who do like adam kinzinger are on their way out. >> yeah. max, always a pleasure. it's good to see you. thank you. >> thanks, don. >> the armorer on the movie set where alec baldwin fatally shot a crew member is breaking her silence. her attorney saying she has no idea where the live ammo came from. ammo came from.
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ammunition, a spent blank round and an empty box of ammo. so joining me now, sheriff adan mendoza of santa fe county. thank you, sheriff. i appreciate you joining us. >> glad to be here. >> so listen, there's a lot here. there's a lot here. i think the real question is where did that round come from? >> well, i think that's the focus of our investigation. how the round got there, who brought it there, and why it was there. those are the questions that we want answered. i think that's the focus of our investigation. >> and no one has any clue about how that round got there because you have all of these items. tell me about these items that you found. and there's still more to the search on the set. >> right. so the third search warrant that we did was yesterday. we did search the prop truck. and there were several firearms that were seized from the vehicle along with more ammunition. and right now we're going
through that evidence and we're processing it to determine exactly what type of firearms and what type of ammunition that we have. and that may not be the last search warrant that we do. >> yeah. so listen, the armorer for the movie hannah gutierrez is breaking her silence today, releasing a statement through her attorneys defending her conduct on the set. and it says, and i quote here, "safety is hannah's number one priority on set. ultimately this set would never have been compromised if live ammo were not introduced. hannah has no idea where the live rounds came from. the whole production set became unsafe due to various factors including lack of safety meetings. this was not the fault of hannah. that's her side of the story. that's released from her attorneys. she says she was hired for two positions on this film, which according to her made it extremely difficult to focus on her job as an armorer. she also paints a picture of corners being cut and a lack of safety including safety meetings. now, i know investigators are
looking for a follow-up interview with hannah gutierrez. do you have any additional questions that you want to ask her? >> absolutely. we were made aware of the statement this morning. that statement's been forwarded to our investigators. but again, i think that statement actually brings forth more questions than it gives answers. so we do have some follow-up questions. i think she raises some concerns in her statement, raises some issues, and we'd like some clarification on her statement. >> so what do you mean it raises more? what questions? like what? >> well, i mean, she raises the questions of safety. she stated that safety is a priority. we want to make sure what steps she was taking to make sure the set was safe. so there's a lot of questions that she brings to light in her statement that we would like clarification on and a lot of issues that she says there were safety issues there. she said she was not aware of the fire -- of the rounds, of
the live rounds on set. so we would like to have a clear picture of what the protocols were, what the processes were, and how she was maintaining the safety there. so there's a lot of follow-up questions in reference to that statement. >> so more on the statement. in the statement she also says that guns were locked up every night and at lunch and that there is no way a single one of them was unaccounted for or being shot by crew members. does this contradict anything that we have -- that we know now? >> well, there's always going to -- not always but there has been contradictory statements. so again, when there's a contradiction we'd like clarification. so we would like her to come back in, do a follow-up interview and clarify some of these contradictory statements. >> so when you spoke to her this -- whatever she released in a statement or said in a statement, she did not say that when you spoke to her? this is all new to you? >> you know, the investigators got the statement this morning.
they're comparing her statement this morning to the interview that she did initially. and so again, they'll come up with some clarifying statements, or some clarifying questions i guess in reference -- if there is any contradictions. >> another person you're focused on has been the assistant director, david halls. is he cooperating? >> well, right now we understand that he does have counsel, and we're requesting the same from him, for him to cooperate, come in, clarify. we have some clarifying questions. and some follow-up questions for him too. so we encourage both of them to come in and continue to cooperate in the investigation. >> do you feel you're any closer to figuring out what happened? >> we're getting closer. you know, we're gathering more evidence. we're making -- we're conducting more interviews. so day by day we're getting closer. but i think we still have a long ways to go. >> slefsh mendoza, thank you for
your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> a big announcement from the fda that could impact 28 million children. kids 5 to 11 years old could be getting a vaccine as early as next week. best deals on every iphone - including the iphone 13 pro with its amazing camera. like everyone that worked from home. or welcomed a new family member. they were all out of dogs. our deals are for everyone! it's not complicated. at&t is giving new and existing customers our best deals on every iphone, including up to $800 off the epic iphone 13 and iphone 13 pro.
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. tonight parents are closer than ever to getting their young children vaccinated. the food and drug administration granting emergency use authorization of pfizer's coronavirus vaccine for kids 5 to 11 years old. child size doses can begin shipping out across the country, and the cdc could give the green light as soon as next week. so let's discuss now. cnn medical analyst dr. jonathan reiner is here for our friday night house call. good evening, doctor. how are you?
>> i'm good, don. thanks for having me. >> thank you for joining. a friend that i know, two of his children, you know, got covid, asymptomatic. surprise to them. so kids can get it. they happen to be asymptomatic, but not all children are, so this is very important. we're getting so close to what parents have long been waiting for. the cdc's going to meet on tuesday. if they approve vaccines for young kids, how soon could we see doses going into arms? >> i expect that dr. walensky will approve the acip committee's almost certain recommendation for this vaccine on tuesday. i expect that dr. walensky will approve it on tuesday night. and as vaccine is already shipping, i expect children will start to receive the vaccine on wednesday. so i expect next week we'll start to get shots into arms. >> yeah. recent polling shows that a
majority of parents say that they won't vaccinate their kids right away. with cases going down, some parents wouldn't ring if it's even worth it. i think the example of what i just said, you know, that's why it's worth it. but it wasn't just the two kids, right? my friend's two kids. the two kids got it from someone at school who got it from soccer practice, and so on and so forth. >> right. a million kids have gotten infected with this virus over the last six weeks or so. a million children. and children are -- you know, thousands of kids have been hospitalized in the you, and about 700 kids have died. so if you had told me 18 months ago when we were in the deep, darkest days of this pandemic, right at the beginning, when everything was unknown, that 18 months in the future we would be getting shots into kids' arms, first of all, i wouldn't have thought it would be possible. and i never would have imagined
that the majority of parents would refuse to do it. so this is really the heavy lift now. in comparison to last year when we started vaccinating the american public, the big barrier to vaccination was the supply of vaccines. now the big barrier is getting parents to bring their kids to the pediatrician to get their vaccination. and this is going to require a lot of work, a lot of education, a lot of patience, and a lot of trust. and it's going to take some time. >> look, there's been a lot of back-and-forth over whether people who have been infected have enough protection already, but there's a new cdc study that's out. it suggests that unvaccinated people are five times more likely to test positive than people who had a vaccine in the last three to six months. give me your takeaway on that. >> yeah. so there's been some back-and-forth data. some data has suggested that
natural immunity might be really robust and long-lasting. other data has suggested you get higher levels of immunity with vaccine-induced immunity. so this study compared those two kinds of immunity, natural immunity that comes after infection and immunity that comes after vaccination. and what it found is that if you were unvaccinated but had had a prior infection, you were five times more likely to be hospitalized with covid than somebody who had simply been vaccinated, suggesting that natural immunity is not good enough. and this has been parroted on -- this notion that, oh, if you've had an infection, you have natural vaccine. you don't need to be immunized. people like rand paul have said this. this data from the cdc refutes that notion. and what i'll again say to the public is everyone in this country needs to be vaccinated. that includes people who have
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president biden trying to restore relations with a key u.s. ally ahead of the g20 summit. but the second catholic president in u.s. history started his foreign trip with a 90-minute closed door meeting with pope francis. plus we're just days away from the high stakes race for virginia's next governor. polls are neck and neck in the home stretch. and the jurors in the derek chauvin murder trial speaking exclusively with me. george floyd's brother will join me in the hour ahead. joining me now, fiona hill,
the former senior director for european and russian affairs at the national security council, also the author of the new book "there is nothing for you here: finding opportunity in the 21st century." thank you so much for joining us this evening and congratulations on the new book as well. so let's talk about the -- >> thanks, don. >> absolutely. let's talk about the president kicking off a critical trip abroad, showing candor, trying to rebuild relations with allies. he wants to show the world that america is back. is it working, fiona? >> well, so far, so good. i mean the response to his efforts to patch things up with french president emmanuel macron seems to be pretty positive so far. i think what we are going to have to see over the next few days is whether he comes away from the g20 with any breakthrough agreements. the critical part is actually what happens next, however. it's not just the g20 meeting the next couple of days, but what happens in glasgow.