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virginia's next governor. the polls are neck in neck in the home stretch. and the jurors in the derek chauvin murder trial spoke exclusively with me. so joining me now, fiona hill, the former senior director for european affairs. also the author of the new book, there is nothing for you here. finding opportunity in the 21st century. good to see you. thank you for joining us this evening and congratulations on the new book as well. so let's talk about the president kicking off a critical trip abroad, showing candor, trying to rebuild relations with allies. he wants to show the world that america is back. is it working, fiona? >> well, so far so good. the response to his efforts to patch things up with french president macron seems to be pretty positive so far. i think what we'll see over the next few days is whether he come away with the g-20 with any
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break through agreements. the critical part is what happens next, however. it's not just the g-20 meeting the next couple days but what happens in glasgow. we have the big climate summit ahead. and president biden needs to build up a head of steam at the g-20 to try to show some leadership in glasgow. these critical issues about can we get collective action on turning back the effects of climate change and some breakthroughs on the carbon emissions and that will be a tall order. >> you mentioned briefly, i want to explain to viewers and show them what happened. when biden met with the french president macron today, admitting the u.s. poorly handled a submarine deal with the u.k. which cost france a multi-billion dollar deal. take a listen. >> is the relationship repaired? >> to use the phrase --
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[ inaudible ]. >> i was under the impression, that france had been informed long before. >> listen, some people may see that as a weakness. i, just me personally, i think it is a strength when people can say they made a mistake and say that. do you think it will be enough in this case to repair relations with our oldest ally? >> i think it is pretty significant. i think you're right. it is a sane of strength and it would have been a lot worse if he had tried to make all kinds of excuses. it also happens to be the truthful i think president biden did think that the french had been informed of the deal. he thought they had been told by the australians. we had this happen repeatedly, unfortunately in bilateral relations with countries.
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we've had many examples of this in the past where there has been a miscommunication. sometime we don't have the band width. we have so many people working for the government. you have a very big sprawling set of relationships. and it does happen that communications break down and this was one of those cases. so i think did he the right thing. i think getting to the point right away with macron, he is a blunt, straightforward guy as well. he would have appreciated that. then the question is, what do you do next? so some of the further demonstration that the french and the united states will work together. and the climate summit could be that. the french have been pushing the climate change agenda for some time themselves. so this could be the next step. perhaps biden and macron showing they can forge ahead on some issue when they get to glasgow. >> this has been democrats punting and climate issues ahead
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that you are talking about. are u.s. allies concerned or do they understand the domestic drama happening here? >> they do understand the domestic drama. they're very concerned that we can't get on top of it and that is a test for biden and for the democratic party. and frankly, for the united states overall. over the last several years, creasingly our allies have started to wonder whether we are ungovernable, whether we can lead on the international stage. president biden, of course, has promised them that the united states is back so they're watching very closely. so i think it is very important for biden to be able to show that he can achieve something at home. because that will give him a head of steam for the big meetings abroad. >> thank you. i appreciate your time. have a good weekend, okay? >> thanks so much. so republican congressman adam kinsinger, an outspoken trump critic, announcing that he will not seek re-election.
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this is part of his announcement where he took clear swipes at the former president and his allies. >> we've allowed leaders to reach power selling the false premise that strength comes from degrading others. and dehumanizing those that look, act or think differently than we do. as a country, we have fallen for those lies and now we face a poisoned country filled with outrage blinding our ability to achieve real strength. it has become increasingly obvious to me that as a country, we must unplug from the missed truths we've been fed. >> so joining me now, charlie dent. a former republican congressman and senior political analyst ron brownstein. the dream team. i know it rhymes. i meant it to. thank you. let's get at it. so i didn't say let's get after it because that's the other guy's saying.
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you know adam kinsinger. you know him very well. what does his decision lead to, what does his decision to leave congress say about the republican party today? >> well, i did serve in congress for eight years with adam kinsinger. we are close friends. i'm very sad about this. i'm not surprised. what is happening here, main stream, reasonable voices are being pushed out. while the most extreme voices are being embraced and uplifted. that's what is so troubling. people like liz cheney and adam kinzinger find that they're not welcome in the party. and bits creating a new movement. so people center right can feel comfortable in the gop and many do not. >> redistricting didn't help,
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right in. >> oh, yeah. he was dumped in there with darren lehood. we kind of expected that. >> so he said two down, eight to go. an apparently reference to the ten republicans who voted to impeach him. is he winning this fight? there doesn't seem to be room for anyone who wants to hold him accountable in the gop lately. >> yeah. the trump wing is the dominant wing in the party. no question about it. probably between three quarters and 4/5 of the party. and it makes it very difficult for any republicans who want to stand up for things like truth and democracy and the rule of law. i think what may be even more damaging than someone like kin zinger deciding to step down. how much success glen youngkin is having in virginia straddling the line where he has not in any way kind of repudiated trump but
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he has not given them full hearted embrace. and he is finding that balancing act is allowing him to hold on to at love republican voters and ambivalent about trump. until there is a clear electoral cost, it hard to see it. even though trump won, it was an ambiguous enough outcome that they don't see a way to fully back away. so on we go. >> what youngkin does, he feeds red meat to the base at the rallies, right? out of the earshot, many times, of media. and then he appeals to a more centrist republican when he is in his messaging on television and the media. >> right. and in no way, he has kind of given oxygen and winks and nods
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and all the claims of election fraud. who knows if they get unified control of government in this election next tuesday, will they pursue a voter restriction agenda like georgia and texas and florida and iowa? you know, you would to bet more likely than not. and yet he is in his kind of general messaging, he is kind of the suburban dad and wants to spend more on education even as he nods toward trumpist concerns about the way racial history is taught in the schools. i think if he wins, there are more and more republicans will conclude that they don't have to explicitly repudiate trump. especially while biden is at a low ebb and that will make it even less likely to do so. >> charlie, congressman kinzinger said isn't the end of his political future but the beginning. where do you think he goes from
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here? >> he has a brit future ahead of him. he is playing a long game here. he knows he's not where he needs to be within the party. a lot of us know that. things will change. and i do believe republicans must acknowledge that since donald trump was elected president, republicans have been getting clobbered in the suburbs. and that's so significant because you cannot win national elections. you cannot win swing state elections without performing much better in suburban communities. and trump, you know, he has shrunk the base. the base is smaller. it is angrier. and i think you will see more defeats. should you, i think house republicans will probably reclaim the majority in 2022. probably take it back. but over time, the party is shrinking. and trump is losing. every republican did pretty well in 2020 whose name was not donald trump who are on the ballot. so you have to remember that. that this is about the suburbs at the end of the day. if youngkin loses, it will be
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because he didn't perform well enough in the d.c. suburbs, richmond suburbs, norfolk suburbs. it could go either way. >> real quick? it is in the hands, real quick. in the hands of the center right republican voters who are uneasy about donald trump and what he means for democracy but are like of the of the policies in washingtonful are they willing to vote for a republican who can skews trump? if they are, it will be dill. the only way as charlie was saying. eventually they may consider this a dead end. if not, on it goes. >> thank you. i want to bring in the reporter for the latest on this neck in neck virginia governor race. good evening. we talk about this race and we talk about my dogs. you and i. and that's the only conversations we've had. >> that sounds about right.
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i like the no tie look. i see you're adopting my style. i appreciate it. >> i'm old enough to be your dad. i've been wearing tieless shirts -- >> that's true. but my dad is old enough to be your dad. so we have the nice linear thing going on. >> it is incredibly tight. who do you think has the edge heading into this election? >> it's really close. the one thing that's clear, glen youngkin has the momentum. terry mcauliffe led by 5 points. it was down to 3 and now it is within the margin of error. in a state that donald trump lost by 10 points, a republican has a good shot of winning. no bueno for democrats. >> how much of this has tad with biden and his slipping numbers. >> la lot. he had a plus 1 point popularity
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rating in august. minus 1 in september. and look at this. in october, minus 7 points in the net popularity rating. what is so important about this. it isn't just virginia. this is happening throughout the northeast united states and nationally as well. so what we see when you compare the 2020 margin to the net rating in 2021, look at this. the difference. biden's net popularity is significantly lower. minus 23 points, minus 26 point, minus 22 points down in new jersey. that's why we can take this to virginia. if glenn youngkin wins and say may goodness. joe biden really has it. >> how important do you think turnout on tuesday will be? >> i think it is extremely important. the reason i say that, if you look right now. if everybody, all the voters in virginia cast a ballot in the voting, terry mcauliffe has the
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load. what we're saying is if democrats can get their voters to turn out on tuesday, that's much better for them. right now there's an enthusiasm gap. we'll see if that happens. i'll end on this note. that is, if we look at virginia's history, we look at all the elections since 1977. what do we see? we see that eight out of 11 times, if we get that slide up. eight out of 11 times. the party that wins in the virginia gubernatorial election goes on to win house seats in the next mid-term election. the winner in virginia traditionally has projected forward to the mid-terms. specially if glenn youngkin wins in a state that donald trump lost. >> doesn't history show whoever is in the white house in virginia, it is the opposite party? >> of course. it's measuring the same idea. but this is essentially what aware finding out. if the republicans win, this is
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politics as normal. that is, we see a mid-term penalty -- >> so then why is everyone saying, oh, it's so unusual! >> no, no, no. >> it's not unusual. i men with youngkin is in the lead. when there is a democrat in the white house, the republican wins the gr's race in virginia. >> i think not as usual. we're still seeing the mid-term penalty. we've seen in the last decade or so, virginia moving rapidly to the left. the idea that they could win in a state that donald trump lost by 10 points. i know what i'm talking about. believe me. >> i didn't say you didn't. everyone is saying oh may gosh. the race goes to whoever is behind in the opposite party. >> that's bad news for democrats heading into the mid-terms. >> i have to go. send me photos of the dogs.
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>> oh, maybe. all right, all right. i'll do it. it's not being taught in schools but across the country, protesters are unloading on school boards over critical race theiry. do you have children in the school district? >> i do not. i'm retired. >> why do you keep coming? >> i'm concerned about our loss of freedom. >> tech: when you get a chip in your windshield... trust safelite. this couple was headed to the farmers market... when they got a chip. they drove to safelite for a same-day repair. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? >> tech: that's service the way you need it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪
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the republican candidate for governor in virginia in the home stretch of the race, seizing on parents' anger about critical race theory. it is happening all over the country. why are so many people flipping out about this? it's not even being taught in schools. >> i am because i'm white. that's what is being taught. >> the sound of rage. >> it's in the hands of kids and it's sick. >> in small town america.
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>> we're not going in the right direction. our educators need to take note of this. >> this is a town hall for the douglas county school district. >> crt is cancel culture. >> crt or critical race theory is not being taught in the schools but that doesn't matter to the people unloading at the school board. >> it is the purpose and intention of those that push it to create guilt. >> the message here in a county fewer than 50,000 people echoed in school board meegd meetings from florida. >> we need to come together and pull our children out of these government cans. >> it is divisive left radically marxism. >> republican candidates are seizing on this rally cry as fertile ground for campaigns. from virginia gubernatorial candidate gleng youngkin -- >> we see parents asking the schools to stop teaching them.
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>> the republican candidate adam chose the douglas county school board meeting to make a campaign appearance. >> we will start the domino to raise the temperature of parent rising up all over this country. we will not let these people take our children. we will not let them indoctrinate them. >> this isn't an issue people talk about. you can see the wear that it takes on our administrators. they're just trying to educate us. i feel like that's where i get disappointed. >> we spoke with the douglas high school students and the teacher. the very people they say need protecting. >> i feel they don't understand that our school doesn't even have crt so they're arguing for something we don't have. >> there have been time i've driven through this town and been scared because of protests going on. >> it has been a really hard several last years because of the pandemic and the. a social strife and division in
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our country right now. >> what kids are facing are post pandemic problems will. >> they are reporting that kids will take something from level one to level ten unexpectedly. >> along with staffing shortages, these are the issues teachers bring up at board meetings. when you talk to the students -- >> are you stressed out? >> yes. i feel like i'm running a 5k when i barely walked last year because of covid. right now i'm trying to balance everything on my plate. >> the thing that is the most important that we're dealing with now is social, emotional learning and getting students equipped to handle what they have in front of them. >> but bob russo is convinced he knows better. and just over a weekering attended meeting -- >> it's up to us. we have to protect them. >> after meeting -- >> crt is not healthy for america. >> after meeting. >> crt is undermining the progress we have made in race relations in the last 60 years.
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>> do you have children in the school district? >> i do not. i'm retired. >> then why do you keep coming? >> i'm concerned about our loss of freedom. >> what do you say to somebody who might be watching that says, this guy doesn't have kids in school. why is he taking part in the school board meeting? >> because i love the kids even though i don't know them. i just want to see them have happy lives. >> do you as a superintendent wish the passions were elsewhere? >> i do. i think what has happened is it has taken our eye off what we work really hard to do. to provide a great learning environment for them. there is a lot of misinformation out there from people who have never been in our schools, they've never talked to our teachers and they hear things and they make assumptions. >> cnn, douglas county. >> thank you for that. appreciate it. what is it about critical race theory that has made it a bogey man for politics?
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critical race theory around the country. why do you think this has become such a potent force in politics? >> i have to put on my linguist hat. critical race theory is some legal documents that people wrote decades ago that nobody would read unless they were a legal scholar. but the philosophy behind them has trickled down into the way some people feel that small kids ought to be taught. so you might say if you have a problem with what's going on in the classrooms, you have a problem with crt. some people say, well, that is not what those legal scholars wrote. but i think there's still room for thinking there is something wrong with teaching small children to be opposed to what america is all about. so that's where this comes down to. it depends on whether the school is doing it or not. then you have people on the right. some people on the right. not all of them. some people on the right who want us to not teach kids about
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slavery and racism at all. that is completely wrong. but a lot of people are upset about how people are taught about slavery and racism. >> the whole thing about books, you as an author, texas lawmaker says he's investigating over 800 books to see if they make students feel discomfort on subjects like race and sex. they are banning toni morris only's book beloved. what is so scary about these books? >> no. none of that. if you are going to be an enlightened american, you need to know that there is some blood on americans' hands, not just some. that there is racism. there was jim crow. if i see a program where that's the center of the whole
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curriculum and that is has happened, then i'll blow the whistle. you can't teach american history without teaching that black people have been treated like also native americans and to an extent, latinos and other people, very, very badly. so banning books. some of these people think we're only supposed to be taught that somebody put a flag in something. there was apple pie. no, no, that's false. it is a matter of how you teach the sins of our nation. >> let's turn to your book. woke racism. explain what that is and why you believe it has become a religion, john. >> woke racism is about the fact that a certain fringe of people believe that we should center our entire consciousness on overturning power differentials, and by that what they really mean is fighting racism. they don't mean fighting racism is one of about 50 things we can
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do. they mean that's what we should center everything on because the united states is based on saert original sin the way christianian says a human being is founded possible original sin. i question that because if you're going to have this religion where everything is about showing that you know racism exists, then one problem is, you have shown you know it exists. have you actually helped anybody who is being hurt by racism? and often, you're not. and more to the point, if you're going to teach people that everything will be about racism and power differential, then one, you're ignoring most of what life is. and two, this is the thing. woke racism is a pro black book. people won't know this but i'm protecting black america from the idea that to be a black person is to be mainly about what white people did or didn't do and what they think of you and what they might not think of
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you and what is in between. no. what being black should be about is what you like to do and what you like about yourself. so woke racism is warning america against this new idea that battling power differentials is everything. if you're not doing that, then you get thrown out of a window. you are expelled from society. that is what a certain contingent are doing. >> i have 30 seconds. i want to ask you. t this, you say this is not helping black people. i think a lot of people would disagree with that. so do you think that the fight to eliminate systemic racism actually perpetuates racism? or a system of victim hood? >> okay. i'll bet i have 11 seconds. when you see somebody saying they're battling systemic
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racism, look and see whether it is actually making somebody's life better. because frankly, about two-thirds of the time, it's not. and that's what makes somebody like me write a book. >> well, that was concise. 11 seconds on the nose. john, i can't wait to read it. i haven't had the opportunity yet. i have to be honest with you, but i will. words on the move. how many times did i say that? woke racism. thank you. a pleasure as always. >> thank you. the armor on the movie "rust" speaking out saying she is not at fault. i'll speak with a veteran actor who has some strong opinions about what happened on that set. you might know him as i am, a veteran actor, there he is. you know him from the young and the restless. we'll be right back.
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so he has been working since the 960s, having shotguns on sets like gun smoke and war shows like combat. and he says what happened on the set of "rust" was really amateur time. so the star of the young and the restless is here, and many, many other shows. many westerns. so good to see you, eric. i have to be honest. in full transparency, eric and i have become friends through social media. whenever i see him on a show playing either a bad guy with a gun or victor newman or
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whatever, i'll text him and say, hey, i'm watching you on mannix right now. >> i'm a big admirer of you and of cnn. chris cuomo, anderson cooper, everyone on the show. i have observed for many years now. >> thank you. thank you. let's talk about this. you sent me a note saying, i want to explain. i want to explain if you want to have me on, then do it. so when you go to work on a movie, you don't expect a tragedy like this. a woman is dead. this ongoing investigation. so tell me what happens. how can a situation like this happen, eric? >> there's a hierarchy on the set. and that hierarchy means that the assistant director is responsible for everything going on on the set. above him is the director. the director is usually concerned with the shots, the angles, with talking to the actor. the assistant director asks
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every department head, are you ready for this shot? and the assistant director does not hand the gun to the actor. that has not happened to me in over 60 years in this business. ever. i've been on more shows with guns than you can shake a fist at. so that obviously, that hierarchy was broken. as far as i'm concerned, it was an independent film. i don't know anything more about it. i have a feeling that they were overworked and underpaid as they usually are on independent films. >> doesn't everyone try to save money on films? even big budget films? >> yeah, but you don't save on that. that's amateur time. >> so how does this happen? >> you have an armorer on the show like that, you need two or three. that's an enormous responsibility to put on the shoulders of a 24-year-old girl. to handle all the equipment, all the props that are involved in that show. so what happens is, the actor
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gets ready for the scene. the assistant director looks around. looks at the armorer. says ready, ready? okay. give him the gun. the armorer comes over. shows the gun to the actor. opens, has him look at the barrel, look at the whole thing. okay. it's empty. cool. close it. ready to go. now another thing that puzzles me is the fact that i don't know if this was a rehearsal or a take. >> a rehearsal. >> a rehearsal. even in the rehearsal, you say action. now, what the hell was the director and the dp doing standing right in the line of that shot? i don't understand that. i feel bad for the woman, hutchins, everyone concerned. i feel terribly badly for alec baldwin. a nice man. i know him. he's a good guy, a good actor. a great professional.
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and he was given that gun by an a.d. who then proclaimed it was a gold gun. that's something is very rotten in the state of denmark. i don't understand how then the director and the d.p. would then stand in the line of the shot. that's very peculiar to me. i don't understand that. >> even if there is nothing in the gun. even if there's nothing in the gun. you you just don't do that. you know there is a heightened danger. stuff happens. when you work 12, 14 hours a day and you rush, rush, rush. things happen. things are forgotten. who knows? how that live bullet came into the gun is another mystery. but it could have happen. who knows? apparently there are rumors they are doing live shooting on the set at tin cans or whatever. i have never been on a set when
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that happen. not ever in 60 years in this business. have i known of a crew or whoever it was doing live shots on a set. sps absolutely unheard of. >> they were saying there was possibly, they were practicing or, between sets. wasn't on the set. and according to the armorer, the young lady, she's saying that's b.s. as well, that it never happened. >> the point is, if they had checked it, it should have been empty. period. >> or there should have been -- >> a fake bullet. >> right. i'm going to have you back so we can talk about this. i have to go because i have to get to another segment. we've learned a lot. it's good to see you and please keep sending me those notes about everything. >> and you keep doing a good show, all right? thank you. >> the jurors in the derek chauvin trial speaking with me.
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george floyd's brother is here along with there, pelonus, is here along with his attorney. >> we want to say we're sorry. we hope we did the right thing. >> is there anything who wants to say anything to derek chauvin? anything? >> why? what were you thinking? why did you do this? why did you stay there so long? why? >> felonus, what's your message to the jury? >> i just want to thank them so much for being able to withstand
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what they had to go through. nobody could ever anticipate the things that's going through their mind and the things that are going through in that courtroom. i went through it but i didn't have the make the decision they had to make. it seemed like the video had all the proof. i just want to thank you for realizing that my brother was human and that his life mattered because they showed his life mattered when they read guilty, guilty, guilty, and that was a beautiful thing that day. >> this jury knew the evidence backwards and forward, and they told me in the deliberations, race was not a factor. watch. >> i mean, i think we got here because of systemic racism within the system, right, because of what's been going on. that's how we got to a courtroom in the first place. but when it came down to all three verdicts, it was based on
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the evidence and the facts 100%. >> listen, as an attorney that's got to make you feel good. evidence and facts 1100%. what does that say to you about how they went through their deliberations? >> well -- and the floyd family, but your episode was very therapeutic for america. it tells us you can find fair and partial juries, no matter how much pre-trial blitz there is. that was shown in this interview. there should be this episode in all the law schools in america. they show the movie "12 angry men" to show to the jury. i think what you did here shows that people can follow the law as instructed to them by the
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jury and base their decision on the evidence. >> felonus, the jury says they're still feeling the impact. i'm sure you can relate to that. >> i can relate to that at all times, because the people who we love, we carry with us at all times. i gave a speech today here in verma and it's 96% caucasian and 6% african-american. when i tell you that people were clapping and jumping up and down when they seen me, it made me feel good, and people were asking me about the jurors. they were asking me about you on cnn. people were anticipating me when
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i came, but that lady, i can't remember her name, the juror, she said that george was in custody, but they didn't care for him while he was in custody. >> she said they were in the care -- in the custody -- she felt like george floyd was in the custody of the police but he was never in their care. and it wasn't what -- another juror said it wasn't what derek chauvin did, it's what he didn't do, and that was try to save george floyd's life, or try to offer assistance to him and put him in the care. i understand what you're saying. i know it feels good because people are engaged because we have short memories thisin this country. it's good that you're out there reminding people what happened and keeping it foremost in their minds and keeping them engaged. i hope it is taught in schools that these people did their civic duty. thank you both.
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