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good friday morning. i'm erica hill in new york. >> i'm jim sciutto live in rome. right now, president biden on his way to meet the italian prime minister mario draghe and late we are the french president emmanuel macron. a busy morning, week, weekend for the president. the meeting with the french president the first face-to-face after a major blow to diplomatic relations between the two close allies last month. france briefly pulling its ambassador to the u.s. for the first time in more than a century, this following a new deal to sell u.s.-made nuclear submarines to australia, which supplanted a long-running french agreement with australia. it follows a much friendlier
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close meeting between the president and pope francis at the vatican. they've got a long history here, a deeply personal relationship. the white house said there was great rapport and friendship between the two as they discussed very important issues, close to those leaders' hearts, during a 90-minute meeting including climate change as well as a better ponce to getting more vaccines to developing countries around the world. we'll have much more on the president's plans for today and the coming days in just a moment. it is a busy week here in europe. back at home, democratic lawmakers again delaying a vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill, this even after that meeting just 24 hours ago with president biden before he left for europe. progressives holding firm, doubling down on their stance. they will not vote for that infrastructure bill unless the larger social safety net package moves in tandem, jim.
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>> nic robertson and cnn chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins joining me now. nic, if i could begin with you, the upcoming meeting between president biden and french president macron i think it is proper to describe this as some diplomatic fence mending necessary. the fact is this is a relationship that goes back more than a couple hundred years. they will remain friends. what has to happen in this meeting for biden to move beyond their public dispute about the nuclear deal? >>er. >> there was a public communications problem it was said and that's been accepted by the u.s. side. for president biden to move beyond it and for ha kmacron to emerge from this and say i can commit myself and france to strong indo-pacific relations with australia and the united
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states, because that's the direction the united states is pivoting in in the coming decade, i think for that president biden is really going to have to offer president macron some real face saving if you will. i'm not sure if that's going to emerge from this meeting, but that's what macron will be looking for. he's already told the australian prime minister scott morrison he needs to see concrete action, tangible action in terms of relationships with australia to really engage in that, and is that the kind of language we can expect here. what does tangible action mean in the context of the united states and france at the moment in relation to that submarine deal? it's hard to see, you can't rope back that position. there's been essentially an apology that this was a miscommunications error, so macron's going to need to look for something more, he's going to need to look to president
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biden as willing to accept some of the blame. macron is going into election soon and he needs to kind of offset that essential diplomatic slap in the face that it amounted to for his own political standing back home. >> kaitlan, a short time ago president biden and his motorcade left st. peter's basilica after a long friendly meeting between biden and pope francis. i spoke to a number of vaet can reporters who could not remember a meeting this long, not just between a pope and a u.s. president but really any world leader, biden praising pope francis has the most significant warrior for peace i've ever met. describe what you've heard from white house officials about what went on in that meeting and how close this relationship is. >> reporter: yeah. jim, while the president is here, he has several meetings. he's preparing to walk in to meet with the italian prime minister. but this is obviously -- the meeting with the pope was much
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more a symbolic and personal meeting for this president. it went on from 75 to 90 minutes depending if you ask the white house or the vatican how long the meeting lasted. you are right, it is far longer than any other meeting we've seen in recent years between a pope and a u.s. president has lasted, longer than a lot of the ones president biden himself has had, not just with this pope but in the 1980s when he sat down with pope john paul ii. the president often talks about how that was a meeting that went 45 minutes and something he said was lengthy meeting and that aides to the pope kept coming in, knocking on the door, trying to wrap the meeting up. that was just 45 minutes. of course this one today was much longer. the white house said there was a clear rapport between the two of them, a lot of laughter and warmth in the room. you saw that on camera as the president was gifting the poem a small token. >> with your permission, i'd like to be able to give you a coin.
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it has the u.s. seal on the fr front. what's different with this coin, i know my son would want me to give this to you because on the back of it i have the state of delaware, the 261st unit my son served with. the tradition is, i'm only kidding about this, next time i see you if you don't have it, you have to buy the drinks. remember that drink. >> obviously that's bit more of the personal side between the two of them in that meeting. they also talked about climate
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change, covid-19, several of the topics that of course were on the table as soon as the white house was talking about what was going to be a formal topic of discussion between those two, jim. >> the mention of his late son, beau, in that moment, particularly meaningful because pope francis consoled biden and his family following beau's death a number of years ago. kaitlan, you and i have covered our share of individual summits and global summits before, and often they are more pomp and circumstance than consequence. but what other high-stakes meetings are ahead for biden and what does he hope to come away with from here? >> reporter: that's what's notable is that this is such a different approach that they're taking to this summit than the g-7, just four or five mos ago, where the president's message was very clear that america was back, that of course he was not for president trump and he had very different stances toward relationships with allies than his predecessor did. that has been challenged a little bit in the last several months if you talk to a lot of
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diplomatic sources who were unhappy with the way the afghanistan withdrawal happened, of course nic was talking about the interactions coming up between president biden and the french president. everyone will be watching that closely to see have they mended those fences that they were talking about. of course that disruption between the two of them that even led the french to recall their ambassador back as a sign of anger towards the biden administration for cutting them out of that deal and not keeping them informed of what was happening when it came to australia and the united kingdom. of course those are not the only important meetings that the president has on his schedule. he's meeting with a series of world leaders at the g-20 and meeting with the turkish president on the sidelines of that international climate summit. that will be a big one to watch. i also think it's important to note who is not here and that is the chinese president and the russian president. the white house is going to try to use their absences which they say is due to covid-19 largely, they believe, to try to work the room and try to take that opportunity to push their agenda
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given of course the two whose agendas they often conflict with, china and russia, will not be here. >> yeah. the white house believes that being in person will give president biden an advantage as he cajoles, negotiates with other world leaders. that is a live picture of the president's motorcade as he continues his parapa tetic schedule. nic, i've been speaking to diplomats the last several wooks, some of america's closest allies who speak privately but also sometimes publicly about a waning confidence in america's leadership in the world, some of it'solationist politics at home but also internal divisions. i wonder how serious a challenge that is for this president at this g-20 summit. >> reporter: when we look at this, we have to recognize that changes happen relatively
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slowly. take an example of how long it took countries to react to covid and to find ways to deal with it internally and with each other. it's the same when you look at these big diplomatic changes happening in the world. the united states pivots more towards asia, specifically china, and away from allies in europe. the united states, you know, willing to break as we've seen with france and some long-standing good will to upset allies over the rap i would pulp -- rapid pullout in afghanistan. these immediate events but the longer-term changes i think are slower to come. what i'm saying is that while european allies are v adjust to what they perceive as this more isolationist united states, even in its form under president biden, less chaotic than under former president donald trump, nevertheless one that is sort of shifting away them on a
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different direction of travel potentially in terms of business with china, the changes are quite slow and gradual. but this is, i think, for the international community, an inflection point where they see these deep divisions in the united states. and they're not sure of the level of continuity that will come with the next president. they're not sure of what level of support president biden really has and the strength he has of support within the democratic party and what that will cost him domestically politically at home and what advantage the republicans will gain from that. there's less of a certainty about the u.s. position. so while we won't see rapid change, we're going to see an evolving change. and i think that will come across perhaps in the conversation with emmanuel macron, who wants the united states, president biden, to accept a stronger european military force that can work side by side, and that's something the french has always
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championed. always sort of half in, half out of nato. it's those kind of changes over time i think we should look to see. >> nic robertson, kaitlan collins, stand by. i'm joined by ambassador richard haass, president of the council on foreign relations, also a long history in government himself. ambassador, great to have you on this morning. you have done your share of international summits through the years. you heard nic and i speaking about the view from frankly some of america's closest allies of at least a changing u.s. role in the world, perhaps driven in part by summary withdrawal from afghanistan recently but other moves. can president biden address those concerns at this summit or is that a long, slow drift that just is a new fact of life for this country? >> well, he can try to address that, but he can't assuage people, persuade them that the good old days are back. it didn't begin with president
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biden. you had european and international real qualms about what george w. bush did in iraq. then you had barack obama and the so-called red lines in syria, in and out of iraq and afghanistan, president trump essentially, the entire presidency was disruptive from european and international perspectives. now you've had afghanistan and what just happened in washington the last few days. it's very difficult. this is now baked into the cake to some extent. >> as we're speaking, ambassador, mario draghi now meeting with u.s. president joe biden. a busy day. began with the pope now, meeting with italian leaders, french leaders to follow. ambassador, much was made of the standing of president biden as he arrives here, arrived here overnight, without having an agreement on his domestic
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agenda. he has a framework, and by the way, progressives came out publicly last night saying they support that framework. that's no small thing. but he didn't have the agreement he wanted including on climate. is that a problem for him here? >> it's something of a problem. he's got the poll numbers, which aren't great, curiosity about what happens tuesday in virginia. it's bigger than this. when foreigners look at the united states, they don't recognize a lot of what they see. they see a political system that often can't deliver. they see january 6th. they see divisions. so the immediate problems that joe biden faces are part of a much larger picture which has raised doubts about our reliability and predictability. >> ambassador, i know you speak yourself -- and you're hearing of course the u.s. national anthem being played there as president biden is greeted by the italian leader mario draghi here in rome, a short distance
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from where we are at st. peter's basilica. i've been asking diplomats recently, ambassador, and i wouldn't be surprised if you've had similar conversations, i ask them quite directly, are they concerned about the state and the future of the u.s. political system? do they see, for instance, not just january 6th but the possible return of donald trump as a candidate, perhaps even a winning candidate for president again? when you speak to them, do they confide in genuinely worried about the state, the health of the u.s. democratic system? >> the short answer is indeed they do, and it's topic number one on their minds. i get the question what's the new normal and what's the aberration? when they look at us, what's the exception and what's the rule? they're just not sure how to read us anymore. what i tell them is, you know, i can't answer that, but also there's lots of continuity. you look at u.s. focus on domestic challenges, you look at
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the tough line on china, getting out of afghanistan, our position on trade. i also try to remind them for all the differences and all the questions we're beginning to see patterns in america's involvement in the world, some of which they like, some of which will give them heartburn. >> we're hearing now the italian national anthem being played as bide season greeted by mario draghi. i will say it's not my first time to rome, not my first time looking at an international meeting here. the italians know how to host world leaders, how to host a summit. abaccident from this g-20 meeting, the chinese president xi gin wing, the russian president, vladimir putin. they'll be coming in long distance in a zoom window for this g-20 summit. the white house believes that offers an opportunity to president biden to lead in person. is it a significant one? >> it also shows to some extent their own priorities.
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in putin's case, probably some content for this grouping. it's an opportunity if you translate it into reality. can you get the europeans, for example, to line up to a serious policy towards china and trade and investment or threatening them with sanctions if they use force against taiwan? will the europeans reduce their dependence on russian energy? so we can talk in general about opportunity, but i think there's real questions about what we can translate into policy and reality. >> on climate, to that same theme, what can be translated into policy and reality, it's not just the climate summit next week, of course significant in scotland, some 200 world leaders will be there, but there is a hope that the g-20 leaders before they go on to scotland will make some sort of public commitment, some sort of statement about their own plans to reduce their carbon emissions. is that a real possibility?
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do you expect to see real progress, hard progress on climate here and in scotland? >> to be honest, the disappointing sans no. what you'll get are pledges or commitments that say by 2050 or whatever they'll reach this or that amount of carbon emissions, hopefully net zero. they won't tell you the rate they'll get there. china is talking about 2060, but it's going to increase its emissions over the next decade as they phase in not out for coal plants. so, no, i'm not wildly optimistic. we'll also see how much money they make available to poorer companies to help them adapt to climate change, transition to green technologies. so far, at least, people's wallets have not been as open as they need to be. >> no question. now, you can ark subst substantively -- let's listen in for a moment here as we see draghi, prime minister draghi, greet president biden. bear with us, please,
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ambassador, as we listen in. ambassador, in fairness, in the framework of the budget agreement are $550 billion, more than half a trillion dollars, of investments including tax breaks, for instance, for solar panels, for electric vehicles. the biggest in history in any u.s. budget so far. it's in the framework. progressives support it. from that standpoint, is there some credit due to what they almost have gotten over the finish line, at least in terms of climate as this summit gets under way? >> the answer is yes, there is
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some credit due, assuming that happens. but also what's disappointing is what's not happening. we don't see the united states doing anything to place a price on carbon. we're not increasing, for example, certain types of taxes. we're not threatening the brazilians, who are destroying the rain forest, not threatening them with sanctions. we're not putting pressure on chinese exports that are made from coal. so, yeah, i'm glad to see the $500 million in the budget and hopefully it's spent well. but again, i'm more struck that for all the priority that is give on the climate, i'm more struck by what's not in the budget and what's not being done. >> there are a lot of holes from the initial promises across the board. ambassador richard haass, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thanks for having me. a lot more to cover here in rome as the president continues a busy schedule, a face-to-face meeting with world leaders. we'll bring them to you live.
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intelligence committees. k congressman, looks like another week to get this done. is that enough time? >> you know, i think so. i was told last night i'm being overly optimistic. it comes from two things, a lifetime of being a chicago cub baseball fan and i've seen this before. you know, as you know, i lived through getting the obamacare health care package done, which was just as transformative, just as complicated, required just as much compromise. and, you know, honestly, it was left for dead several time ace long the way. so i think we can get this done. it's too important not to. >> we know this was a major gamble for the president yesterday, coming to the hill, delaying his trip. he is of course in rome today right now meeting with the prime minister of italy. i know you wanted this done yesterday as well. do you think it would have
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helped if the president had insisted yesterday on a vote? >> you know, i think he did the right mix there. he explained why it was so important, and he left it to their final decision. lawmakers typically don't like being dictated to, but he explained, you know, basically you have to take your victories where you can. we can't legislate in the ideal world. we have to legislate the reality of the situation complicated by reconciliations and filibusters and people who aren't necessarily willing to compromise. >> when you talk about people who aren't necessarily willing to compromise, have you seen changes on that front among your colleagues? >> well, first i'll start with my republican colleagues. as you see, we're basically dealing in half the tent here, at the senate, who's going to work with us to get these things done, and a little over half of the house with a three-vote majority. i was pleased last night to see
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the progressive caucus say they support the framework that the president's talking about on reconciliation. i see that as a compromise. i would only suggest that you take your victories where you can, and there's a lot to be proud of with the infrastructure package. a lifetime largest expansion providing fresh drinking water and wastewater treatment that will help millions of families get safe water. a lot of that is to create jobs and expand our economy for the next century. >> there has been a fair amount of frustration. as you said, you were laying out what you went through of course when it came to affordable care act, obamacare, but the reality is, you tweeted yesterday, this is how the legislative process is supposed to work, compromise is how the sausage made v gets made. your colleague debbie dingle was on our air yesterday morning prior to this meeting with the president, and she said she had never seen the sausage making
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this bad in washington. with so much mistrust out there publicly within the democratic caucus, how much of a focus is repairing that within the party? >> look, it's always been a big tent. i don't know that it was better or worse now than it was ten years ago when we passed health care. it was ugly at times then. so, you know, i think you have to build a day at a time. the fact that the president came to us a second time on this, progressives seemed to be, you know, willing to accept that, gives me hope here. we recognize as time goes on, you know, this is critical to the biden administration. it's critical to what we heard in the last segment on your program, show the rest of the world that we can function. that's extremely important not just for our economy but for our national security and our relationship with the rest of the world. >> to your point, back here at
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home, right, we know the president had said yesterday it's not hyperbole. i'm paraphrasing her, but he used that word. it's not hyperbole for him to say that majorities in the senate and the house and his presidency are really riding on this legislation. did that message get through? that's something that's been discussed the last couple weeks, but to hear the president saying that to the full democratic caucus, that felt like a different tone. >> i think so. i think it weighs heavily on the caucus. i think they're also starting to recognize that, look, any one of the provisions in this package, if passed alone, will be seen as landmark legislation. we have to judge it not necessarily for what's not in there, which frustrates me, too, but what is in there -- universal pre-k, the expansion of pell grants, expanding
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medicare to include hearing. it's important to move through with the agenda but with these key elements that are so important to our nation's future. >> are you concerned about the impact of what we've seen over the -- the sausage making, a public sausage making on 2020, especially in your state of illinois? we have a full slate coming up in 2022. >> look, i'm concerned -- every generation has had its challenges. the greatest generation lived through depression and beat back the fascists. our generation faces these extraordinary challenges like climate change and the others that we're talking about in the trip to europe with the president. what concerns me isn't just what's going on in d.c., it's what's going on perhaps between the ears of americans, what's in their hearts. you know, are we so polarized we can't see we're more you nipted, we're stronger when we are
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united than we are divided? that animosity i saw in person being in the room on january 6th, that's what concerns me most. it's reflected in d.c., and i think that's what we have to address moving forward. >> congressman, i also want to get your take, i'm just learning that congressman adam king has said he is not running for re-el re-election. again, we're just getting this now. i'm just curious, your response to that. >> it's a surprise to me. we've worked well together in our times in congress. when democrats ask republicans to speak truth to power, you know, if we ask them to do that and they do that with some courage, i think we owe it to them, the recognition. so, you know, that's a shame. i'm going to miss mr. kisnzinge in congress. i hope he continues in public life with the kinds of things
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he's doing, addressing the concerns we had with the trump administration. >> congressman mike quigley, thank you. >> thank you. just ahead, much more on this breaking news. congressman adam kinzinger's decision not to run for re-election. we are live on capitol hill. an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor. any specialist. anywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. so if you have this... consider adding this. call unitedhealthcare today for your free decision guide. ♪
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a major announcement on capitol hill. republican congressman adam kinzinger will not run for re-election. cnn congressional correspondent lauren fox joining us now from capitol hill. he had said just a couple weeks ago he was going to look at the options, of course, after things were being redrawn in the state. what more do we know about how he came to this decision, lauren? >> reporter: it's a critical moment for the republican party in part because it is a reflection of not just redistricting and the politics in his own state but also the fact that there is not room in the republican party right now for individuals who do not back former president donald trump. adam kinzinger with liz cheney has been one of the most outspoken members in deriding the former president's politics, his style, his lies about the election, and adam kinzinger saying just a short time ago on twitter in a lengthy five-minute video that he is not going to
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seek re-election. >> it's become increasingly obvious to me in order to break the narrative i cannot focus on both a re-election to congress and a broader fight nationwide. i want to make it clear, this isn't the end of my political future but the beginning. >> and he's also making it clear in that lengthy video that he doesn't think people on capitol hill right now are leading, and it is easy to read between the linings there that he may be talk about his own republican leadership who he has fought with and been divided with over the last several months on capitol hill, since january 6th. of course he is one of two republicans who were on that select committee investigating what happened that day, what happened leading up to january 6th, and he's caught a lot of flak from members of his own party. he is a man on an island with liz cheney fighting this fight with democrats trying to get more information, and it's
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really put him on the outskirts of the republican party here on capitol hill. so a very important moment, a sign really that this republican big tent just isn't that big anymore, erica. >> lauren, stay with us. i also want to bring in some new reporting on this. jim, what are you hearing? >> that's right. i've spoke on the someone close to congressman kinzinger who says that the congressman is not ruling out running potentially for other offices, including the possibility of senate. no decision made, but to be clear, he's made a decision not to run for re-election for his house seat but is not ruling out the possibility of running for something else. that is notable. we should also note this group that he is diving into here, country first, is something that i'm told he's been thinking about for some time as getting started, getting rolling independent of his decision on politics. but, again, the news there that he has not ruled out possibly
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running for other office including for senate, erica. >> it's also notable, you know, what we've seen, as lauren was pointing out, the backlash we've seen for him being very vocal about, you know, pushing back obviously on president trump, pushing back on the insurrection, but jim, the fact that voice was in the republican party, i would's much more difficult for that voice to gain traction within the party at this moment. >> we've talked a lot -- does the party belong to donald trump, right, and this is yet one more indicator that it is, because for the few sitting lawmakers who are willing to challenge him, there are consequences. kinzinger is not the first republican congressman who voted to impeach who has decided not to run for re-election, and you've seen others paying other kinds of consequences including challenges, such as liz cheney in her home state in wyoming coming up, a very brutal primary challenge. others face other consequences.
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they're publicly attacked. they have trouble running money -- raising money. they have trouble working with some political advisers who are basically banned from working with certain folk who is've spoken out publicly against the president. by the way, you and i, erica, and lauren, we talk about the polling that show asthma joe torre of republican voters still support the former president as well. >> lauren, i imagine because this is, you know, just breaking there on capitol hill, probably haven't heard a lot of feedback, but news does travel fast in those hallways, and of course with lawmakers. i'm curious, has reaction started to roll in on capitol hill? >> reporter: one thing that was very clear from this video that kinzinger released is the fact that he does feel like the party is moving in a different direction. like you said, this news is just breaking. we're just getting a sense of what this reaction may be. but you can bet that there are republicans who are going to be
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applauding this decision because they feel like this is a sign that kinzinger is on the outskirts of the party, not the future of the party. i think that's going to be a really important thing to watch. what does mccarthy think about this news today that kinzinger is not going to be seeking re-election? like jim said, there is really backlash within this party when it comes to trying to raise money when you are on the outside of the relationship with donald trump. it is also very hard to even find people to work for your campaign because of some of the efforts by leadership or allies close to leadership who are telling people if you want to work for liz cheney, you can't work for the other individuals who are leading this party. i mean, that is a stark contrast. you know, one thing that was very interesting to me in that video was how kinzinger said tribalism is becoming the way forward. and if you aren't part of a tribe, if you speak out against the tribe, then you don't fit in
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anymore. i thought that was a really poignant moment in that video. >> i have to agree with you, lauren, absolutely. great to point that out as well. we will continue to follow this breaking news. stay with us on cnn for more on that. also ahead, the cdc has laid out guidance for who should get a covid vaccine booster shot. a new cnn analysis finds the vast majority of americans now qualify for one. as a dj, i know all about customization. that's why i love liberty mutual. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about throwback? so i only pay foyou got it.ed. ♪ liberty, liberty - liberty, liberty uh, i'll settle for someing i can dance to. ♪ liberty, liberty, li♪ ♪ ♪
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today the fda is expected to grant emergency use authorization to pfizer for its vaccine for kids ages 5 to 11. that means younger kids could get their first shot within days. this is happening as the average number of daily booster shots administered to adults has reached a new high. there's also new data analysis showing the vast majority of vaccinated adults qualify for that extra jab. senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen joining me now. walk through what we're learning in this data. >> reporter: so, erica, surveys have shown that americans are very confused about whether or not they should be getting a booster after they've been fully vaccinated for covid-19. people just don't know. and some people think you have to be very old to get a booster, you have to be very sick. so we asked the team at boston children's hospital, their epidemiology lab, can you
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calculate this for us? they found that 89% of vaccinated adults qualified for boosters once they get sufficiently past their original vaccinations. 89%. at least 89%. so let's take a look at all of the data behind this. so first of all, for johnson & johnson, everyone qualifies far booster once you're two months past your original shot. for pfizer and moderna, once you're six months past your second shot, you qualify for a boost fer you're age 65 or older, if you're a front line worker like a teacher or doctor, if you have certain conditions such as if you're overweight, if you have depression, if you have anxiety, if you have heart problems, if you have asthma. all of those people qualify, and that's how you get up to such a big number that 89% of vaccinated adults qualify for a booster once they get sufficiently past their original vaccinations. so if you're wondering do i qualitily, the answer is yeah,
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probably, you do. >> it is pretty remarkable, and i guess when you see it laid out that way, the fact that, first of all, all the folk who is got j&j, as you point out, are now eligible, but also the large number of other pre-existing conditions. appreciate it. thank you. >> thanks. just ahead, more from rome. we'll take you back live. president biden of course in europe. stay with us for the latest. it's true jen. this prerebiotic oat formula moisturizes to help prevent dry skin. impressive. aveeno® healththy. it's our nature.™ new daily moisture for face.
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an update on picking a jury for the men accused of killing ahmaud ashery in georgia. only 47 potential jurors are qualified some two weeks into jury selection. defense attorneys worrying of a, quote, revolt within the jury pool. martin savidge is in atlanta. why is it taking so long? >> i think the short answer is because you have a very high-profile case taking place in a relatively small community. brunswick, georgia, is no mayberry, but it is a pretty small city here. one thing that is clear is that a lot of the jurors who have already been questioned fear about possible retribution or repercussions by possibly serving on the jury in this particular case. there's a lot of hesitancy. we know that because there were
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1,000 jury summons sent out and less than half of 500 people, less than that, actually, showed up. so there's a lot of reluctance to serve on this jury, and parp of that is that concern. the other thing we're finding out is a lot of people are saying when they get inside of that courtroom and ask, have you already formed an opinion, half of those almost on a daily basis are saying, yeah, i have already formed an opinion. that's clearly a problem. and if you dismissed everybody who said they formed an opinion, you wouldn't have much of a jury at all. a lot of time is taken up when these jurors are individually questioned. remember, there are six defense attorneys. there's also the prosecution and the judge. essentially they're all trying to find out, wait a minute, if you hear the evidence in a court of law, if you hear the judge explain the law to you, could you still be impartial? and, in fact, that's when you hear jurors saying, you know what, yeah, if you put it that way, i could consider it. so it's taking so long for a worthy cause, to find those who can be a fully impartial jury,
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12 members, 4 altdealternates. >> martin, thank you. back to jim in rome for more on president biden's meetings throughout the day today. jim? >> we got remarkable details from the president himself on his meeting earlier today with pope francis. the president as he was meeting with the italian prime minister was asked if he had discussed abortion, reproductive rights with pope francis, of course an issue because some u.s. bishops have proposed deny ing biden communion at church because of his support of abortion rights. biden said they didn't discuss rights officially but the pope called him a good catholic and the pope said he should continue sech receiving communion. this is material because you have a meeting of bishops in a couple weeks in a proposal to discuss this, but that is quite an endorsement and shows how
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deep the relationship between the two men is. the two of them prayed for peace and for each other. >> fascinating. great detail there as well. >> thanks for joining us today. i'm jim sciutto in rome. >> i'm erica hill in new york. stay with us. "at this hour" with kate bolduan starts right now. i'm kate bolduan. here's what we're watching that the hour. president biden on the world stage, a warm welcome from the pope. this hour, biden meets with the french president amid strained relations. live rounds on a movie set, the armorer defending her role in the tragedy that led to the fatal shooting by alec baldwin. and one step closer. the fda could soon authorize a vaccine for children as young as 5, leaving only the cdc to weigh in before we see younger kid


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