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good evening.
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president biden is due to arrive in rome any minute. as for the centerpiece of his domestic agenda, it has not landed. at least not yet. house democratic leaders pushing back a vote on an already senate approved infrastructure bill. progressives refusing to support it until senate moderates sign off on the president's build back better social and environment allege slags. this evening, one of those moderates, west virginia's joe manchin, put out a statement saying that the framework is the product of months of negotiations. i i would hope all of us continue to deal in good faith and do what is right for the future of the american people. in other words, not a sign-off, but also not a kiss-off. just a few minutes ago, i spoke about the state of play with white house domestic adviser and former u.n. ambassador, susan rice. so, ambassador rice, you were with the president on capitol hill.
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congresswoman jayapal saying the house progressive caucus won't vote on the infrastructure bill without the build back better act. i know you talked to members of congress all day. where are we right now on some of the key stake holders? >> i was up with the the president and the house members of the democratic caucus. what was notable is how broad the support has been for the framework that the president laid out today. the most progressive wing of our party, including congresswoman jayapal and the progressive caucus as you heard them say, to the moderate wing of our party. everybody understands that what is in the build back better framework is good for the american people. child care that is made affordable for families that are struggling paying over a quarter of their income for child care. can't afford it. universal precare. home care made available and accessible for our parents and loved ones and those who are disabled who can't otherwise get care. extraordinary investments in our
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environment so that our planet can -- can fight and sustain against climate change. these are extraordinary elements of this package. housing, investments in equity, higher education. >> the support is clearly not so widespread because joe manchin doesn't like a lot of the environmental things. kyrsten sinema's had her concerns. sorry to interrupt but chuck schumer has not said if manchin and sinema would vote on that. does the white house have a firm commitment on that? >> what we have is our knowledge from having spent hours and hours over weeks and months with them and many others in the democratic caucus and we have a framework that we are confident can pass the senate as well as the house. we've not said that before today. we are confident that we have a framework that can pass both houses. and that is a confidence born of extensive, extensive engagements
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with those whose votes we need. >> does the white house have a firm commitment from the progressive caucus? >> what i'll say to you whether speaking about the progressive caucus or senator manchin or sinema, i'm not going to speak for any member of congress. i'll speak on behalf of the white house and the president of the united states and my own behalf. it's not helpful or appropriate for me to characterize anybody else. >> fair enough. >> what i do know is that there's broad support for both the by part an infrastructure framework and the build back better package. nobody is saying they won't vote for it because of the substance. quite the contrary. they're saying that they are very supportive of the substance of the build back better framework, from all spectrums of our party. so, that's the important thing. the procedural stuff, i don't want to minimize it, but it will be worked out. this is the sausage-making that is washington politics and i'm very confident that at the end of the day, we will have a bipartisan infrastructure framework and a build back
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better framework which are going to be extraordinarily beneficial for our planet, for american families, for jobs and for our people in general. >> i never expected to be in the sausage business, but i do sort of find myself in the sausage business. so, i do have to ask, is the white house in support of both of these bichlbills being voted back-to-back? i know that's sausage making but it seems to be holding things up. >> we are in support of both of these bill. the president could not have been clearer. he wants them voted and voted as soon as possible. that's the bottom line. we will leave it to the leaders in congress to figure out the appropriate sequencing. we want them done as soon as possible. they're both vital to our economy, to our -- the well-being of our people and to our global competitiveness. >> can you say if the paid leave for, you know, child leave is, in fact, no longer in this? because it had been 12 weeks, then it was down to four weeks, i know it was very important to
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the president, he talked about it at the town hall last week. is that out? >> anderson, i think very sadly there were not the votes in the senate to include paid leave. the president believes deeply in the vital importance of paid leave for mother, fathers, american families. he's going to continue to fight for it as well as other provisions that did not make it into this framework agreement. this is not the last year of the biden presidency. it's the first year of the biden presidency. and already, we've had extraordinary success with the american rescue plan and we will continue to have success as these two important pieces of legislation pass, but that doesn't mean we're done. >> you know from your work, working with the international community, do you worry the lack of a deal right now undermines the president's message on the global stage, especially, you know, countries, russia and china who perpetuate the idea that democracy is dysfunctional?
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>> they are doing, but they're not even showing up at the g20. i don't know what that says about them. we will be there. america will lead under president joe biden and we will ensure that our interest and those of our partner and allies are advanced in the context of both the g20 and the glos go climate summit. >> susan rice, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> joining us now is cnn chief political analyst gloria borger. and phil mattingly is in rome traveling with the president. you hear ambassador rice describing how the white house views this. does it feels like the democrats missed their moment here? >> absolutely. this was the second time president biden went to capitol hill to make the case for his package. he told democrats that it was an existential moment for his administration. he gave a speech about these two bills and then the democrats in the house said, you know what,
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we don't really trust those two folks in the senate to do what we really want them to do. so we're going to hold off on this. so, it was a real moment that was missed. this is not to say that they won't get it in the end. they probably will, as susan rice is saying. but the president made a big show of it and it flopped. >> phil, how big a setback is it for the president? both on this overseas trip, but just back here at home? >> you know, i think the interesting thing, anderson, is white house officials have been so wary of setting deadlines for the past several weeks. it was the president in the oval office who said he wanted this done before he took off for europe, specifically before he reached the glasgow climate summit and white house officials kind of followed suit and agreed with that. the president made very clear the stakes, saying the prestige of the united states was at stake and they needed to deliver. he did not get that. and it's unquestionably a disappointment. now, it's also fair to say that democrats right now are closer
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to an agreement than they ever have been and in large part because of what the president and speaker pelosi pushed forward today. but when you send the president to capitol hill, when the speaker says behind closed doors, it would be an embarrassment not to deliver for the president and then you don't deliver for the president shortly before he arrives at two international summits, it's not ideal. >> this is procedural and your eyes can glaze over, what exactly does this mean, gloria? what is the next step here? it's easy to lose track. >> it is easy to lose track. they're going to try at some point, sooner rather than later, to get together on what they can agree on and, you know, they're in this kind of routine, right, the progressives want to make sure that they don't get double crossed by the senate. they want to make sure that manchin and sinema will be with them. and it would be easy, anderson,
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if the senators came out and said, we support the larger framework, as well as the in infrastructure bill. then i think you'd have a lot of these progressives onboard, but there is such a lack of trust, which is kind of astonishing, actually, between the house members and those more moderate democrats in the senate that it's really hard to predict how and when, exactly, this is going to happen, because if the president couldn't effectively knock heads today and he -- you know, some people said he was a little too reticent today on the hill, but if he couldn't convince them to do it today, before he jetted off to europe, it's hard to see when that exactly is going to happen. >> so, phil, you had the president going in front of the cameras to announce this framework. there's still the wording of the deal which can go south in a whole bunch of different way, couldn't it?
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>> yeah, it's a really great point. drafting of legislation always take the over in terms of timeline to use a sports betting terminology. just because it takes a long time, and the words actually matter. i'm not being kind of flip when i say that. each line, each phrase, each section is extraordinarily important and has wide-ranging implications and repercussions. i think in terms of what the president did this morning, it was calculated risk. i think there was an understanding they didn't have the votes and full agreement on the framework from the parties involved, but they felt like they needed to make a push. the other thing they felt like they needed to do is rest back control of what has been very clearly the story of the last several days. what isn't in the package. all of the infighting between democrats. the president this morning set the stage for what will be the general shape of the final proposal. why it matters and why he believes it's transformative and why democrats need to get behind it. the vast majority of democrats made clear they support the framework. that's a net positive for the white house. but in terms of having this right up at the finish line, they've got a lot of work to do still.
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>> they've been talking about the cost of this package for months now and so the american public is saying, oh, my god, that's so much money. then they have been talking what got cut from this package, instead of talking about what's in it. they're trying to turn the page on that. you saw susan rice doing that, you saw joe biden doing that. but they kind of have to move on and say, here's what we're doing for you. instead, you know, we're hearing, okay, this didn't get in it. that didn't get in it. paid family leave didn't get in it. they need to sort of tell the american public what did get in it and i think we're going to be hearing a lot of that over the next week or so. >> yeah, i mean, it is kind of bizarre, phil, that for weeks this was all that was talked about, really, was about the money and was about how much was being spent, which is obviously incredibly important, but if you are -- for the democrats who believe in what the president wants to do, you would think they would be making a smarter effort at trying to at least
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explain what actually is the benefit of it as they see it. >> it's been a frustration on pennsylvania avenue. it was only talking about the top line number. they did it because they wanted to make the point it was transformative. it was what the president ran on. it ended up biting them over some degree of the course. focus on the details and what's in the package and focus on what democrats can deliver. they are on the verge of it but the top line discussion took the focus away from what's inside of it. i would note what's inside of it polls individually quite well, almost across the board. i think that's been a big part of the frustration, anderson. >> phil, gloria, thank you. coming up next, a police who faced the mob at the capitol on the growing wave of disinformation, misinformation about what he went through and others first-hand, as fox news is plugging a tocdocumentary spreading more lies. later, more breaking news.
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i want to read you something a "wall street journal" told our brian steltzer. "i think it's very disappointing that our opinion section reports so much misinformation our news side tries to debunk." another reporter tweeted this from a daily beast colleague that says newspapers exist so powerful people can publish whatever lies they want. both are talking about the paper's decision to publish a letter by the former president full of lies about the 2020 election results in pennsylvania. now, "the journal" did not assign any of its highly talented nonpartisan reporters to fact check the letter. they just printed it. than retweet gets into why. rupert murdoch, not exactly friendly with the former president, is nonetheless happy to enable his lies and on some of his marquee properties, to
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amplify them. just to give you an idea to where those lies lead, listen to testimony from a pennsylvania election official. >> i am a republican. i believe that counting votes in our democracy is a sacred responsibility. for doing my job, counting votes, i'd like to quickly share some of the messages sent to me and my family. tell the truth or your three kids will be fatally shot. included our address, included my children's names, included a picture of our home. cops can't help you. heads on spikes, treasonist. perhaps cuts and bullets will soon arrive at, provides my address, names my children. rhino stole election. we steal lives. >> now, again, that's a republican official whose work might otherwise go unnoticed at best. now living in fear for himself and his family.
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and his experience is only one of many that would not have been possible without misinformation and disinformation being pumped into the body politic by right wing media. most notably, by some of the biggest and highly paid names under the rupert murdoch umbrella, like tucker carlsson, who did this on his program last night. >> we want to premiere a trailer for a documentary we have been working on for six months. it's about january 6th. we believe it answers a lot of the remaining questions from that day. our conclusion, the u.s. government has, in fact, launched a new war on terrorist. but it's not against al qaeda. it's against american citizens. >> the promo then got more specific. ♪ ♪
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>> the domestic war on terror is here. it's coming after -- >> half of the country. >> they began to fight a new enemy on a new war on terror. not al qaeda, white supremacy. >> false lives have happened in this country. ♪ glory glory hallelujah ♪ >> one of which may have been january 6th. ♪ its truth is marching on ♪ >> it's called "patriot purge." we're proud of it. >> now you the part of the t trailer we did not show included a clip from ali alexander, one of the organizers of the so-called stop the steal rally which formed the backbone of the mob that attacked the capitol.
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but this isn't really about tucker carlsson, it's really about the empire that he works for that continues to pump poison into the media ecosystem. poison that is at times violent and potential deadly consequences. brian sicknick died in the wake of what he went through. this is what that misinformation got another officer named michael fanone. >> i was dragged from line of officers and into the crowd. i heard someone scream, i got one. they began the beat me with their fists and with what felt like hard metal objects. at one point, i came face-to-face with an attacker who repeatedly lunged for me and attempted to remove my firearm. i heard chanting from some in the crowd. get his gun and kill him with his own gun. >> in a moment, another officer,
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harry dunn, joins us. and shortly, you'll hear from a florida lawmaker, a cancer patient with a compromised immune system who is now getting death threats from apparently all over the country after asking florida's surgeon general to wear a mask in her office. he re fused and is now being praised for it, of course. nationwide, on fox news, and other right wing media. she's getting out of state death threats and it's hard not to connect the dots, because how would anyone else outside of florida know she even existed. why would something as simple as wearing a mask to be gracious and protect others be controversial enough to threaten to kill over if fox and others weren't stoking the anger. and rupert murdoch chooses to enable this. he profits off it and he does very well. harry dunn joining us. he is here in his personal capacity, not speaking for the capitol police. also with us, carl cameron, formerly chief political correspondent for fox news. >> officer dunn, appreciate you being with us. i just wanted to get your reaction to someone who puts his
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life on the line, on january 6th, to protect lawmakers and the public and your fellow officer and has done so for years, what goes through your mind when you hear that a major media platform that a lot of people take their cues from is producing, what they're calling, i guess, a documentary, about conspiracy theories surrounding the attack on the capitol. >> yeah, hey, anderson, thanks for having me on, first of all. if that isn't fear mongering, i don't know what really is. that little clip right there, it just makes me angry watching it again. i've seen it a couple times today, but just watching it again made me angry. that's very irresponsible for that to be released. he has such a huge following, such a huge -- amount of people that believe the things that he says and it's very irresponsible to release something like that,
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because it's not accurate. it's somebody's opinion but it's not facts. >> you know, carl, to hear in that promo someone talking about january 6th could have been a false flag operation, i mean, that's -- you know, that's the stuff of -- you suggest be the stuff of the zaniest of people, the most, you know, crazed people online. the idea that now fox seems to be putting out a program under the tucker carlson banner, if they, are, in fact, alleging it as a false flag operation, that's pretty extraordinary. >> there's a whole bunch of extraordinary madness involved in this. not least of which is that they are fighting against the country's government. they are fighting against facts. they are fighting against their neighbors. it really doesn't make any sense. tucker's trailer is meant to incite. it's meant to make people angry. it's intended and it's just a trailer.
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so -- apparently this is going to be some sort of a streaming series, but -- it's already been decided, long time ago, people would say, you know, you can never walk into a movie theater and scream "fire" if there isn't one. and there's a simple reason for that. you could cause a riot and people could get hurt and it's disturbing the peace. there are limits on quote free speech. that's one of them. sometimes when you disturb the peace, it can become a misdemeanor and sometimes it can end up being felonious. and we already had some of the folks who crashed the capitol on january 6th plead guilty. >> you know, carl, it's interesting, because i don't know tucker carlson at all. he was in the wilderness for awhile, sort of trying to find his way, you know, on "dancing with the stars." he -- i read an article recently about him, you know, giving a speech and getting booed in front of a conservative audience
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because he talked about wanting to create a, you know, a conservative news organization that was based on facts, like "the new york times." and clearly he, you know, was in the wilderness and now has found what pays very well and he -- i mean, most people i know who know him say what he's saying is unrecognizable to the person that he once was. >> well, he was a colleague of mine, but frankly, the most significant conversation we ever had together was to where to get the cheapest nicorette gum. he was a host. he was an opinion guy. that's not what news journalists do. it's really frightening. frankly, it's betrayal to the audience. it's a betrayal to the public and some of what is espoused or is meant to espouse just in that trailer suggests that there's more violence to come.
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and that's a big, big rock around the author's neck if that trailer and this upcoming thing actually does that. there are clearly huge divides in this country. the media shouldn't be putting more gas on the fire. >> officer dunn, again, i can't get over january 6th people carrying flags saying back the blue, using those flags whether it was those flags or other american flags or other poles as weapons against police officers on that day. and it seems like what tucker carlson is trying to do is -- if they're claiming it's all phony, a false flag operation, that, i guess, i don't know if the police were supposedly all in on this false flag operation, i mean, it's just sort of stunning that this is what a big net the work that a lot of people listen to and believe is now -- that's
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what they're preaching now. >> where we are right now as a country, it's -- things are very polarized and everything is divided. the people on january 6th, they were there. they felt like they were right. they were emboldened and the things that that network and things like that trailer, that -- that emboldens them and that's what makes people more dangerous, when they feel they're right. it's scary when somebody with that much power has -- over that many people has -- they think that they're right. and like i said, those people from january 6th, they thought that they were in the right. they don't think that they were wrong and you could tell that by all the not guilty pleas that's going along -- they thought they were right. and they had to get that from somewhere. they were emboldened. it's disheartening when it's based on a lie. >> i want to pick up this conversation. we got to take a short break. we'll have more new reporting on
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before we continue our conversation with the capitol police officer harry dunn and carl cameron, multiple sources are telling us that members of the house select committee are losing patience getting mark meadows to testify. he was subpoenaed more than a month ago. members are growing frustrated but the committee chair says they are not yet at the point of going to court. officer dunn, when you hear those with knowledge about what happened on january 6th, he was a member of congress. the idea they are not cooperating with a bipartisan investigation after -- these are the people who capitol police
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officers protect. >> yeah, i -- i don't want to get too much into it, but a lot of people have a lot of different opinions, including people that have been subpoenaed. now you have the opportunity to tell your story. tell the truth. if what happened or what the public and the media saying didn't happen, now it's your turn to go tell what did happen. tell what you know. that's all i got about that. >> carl, i mean, as a journalist as, you know -- i endlessly debate what role i'm playing in how we cover things and what, you know, tone i am sending out and when i make mistakes, i try very quickly, i think, to correct them i feel terrible about them. do you worry about where things are going in the media landscape but just in our country? >> yes. in the media landscape, i think it's important that we talk about social media, particularly, because the
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combination of a no holds barred cable news and then social media, we're in trouble. and people are going to deeper and deeper silos and hiding away and this is not how a democracy works. this is not how a country functions. it's not good for business. it's not good for corporations. it's not good for small businesses. it's not good for state after state after state that's struggling with countless problems. it makes no sense. and those who are propagating it recognize, in many cases, i think, so many of the members of congress, republicans who are sort of following along with trump and an awful lot of folks around the country, they know that what's happening is wrong. they just don't know how to get out of it. and particularly for politicians
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who often make their living getting elected, it's hard to decide they're going to have a career change in the middle of it and get booted, particularly if they were to switch sides in this type of tenor. neighbor to neighbor, city to city, there is a tremendous amount of anger and an outrageous amount of lying on the right. it's getting perpetuated from all over the world. it's not just the united states. we do have foreign adversaries who are absolutely loving what's going on with our country's lack of unity. the united states ain't and those who continue to lie about our election processes and try to undermine the government, i mean, it used to be people would call that sedition or treason. and at some point, the justice department is going to start taking names and there are some people who are going to be
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paying some big prices. the laws are the laws. and the supreme court would have to be bending a hell of a lot of them if they were to allow some of this behavior to continue. >> carl, harry, i really appreciate your time tonight. thank you so much. >> thank you. breaking news ahead. a new criminal complaint filed against former new york governor andrew cuomo. details of that ahead.
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breaking news. a criminal complaint alleging forcible touching, a sex crime, has been filed against former new york governor andrew cuomo, in albany, according to a copy of the complaint obtained by cnn. cuomo resigned from his post in august after multiple women accused him of sexual harassment, is the subject of a charge during an incident at the governor's mansion in december 2020. what else do we know about this complaint and how it was filed? >> yeah, anderson, this is a misdemeanor complaint that was filed in the albany city court and as you said, alleges forcible touching by former
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governor andrew cuomo of an incident that happened in the governor's mansion on december 7th, 2020, saying in the complaint that the governor placed his hand under the blouse of the victim and touched her intimately. now, remember, this is now coming a few months after that scathing attorney general's report, as you mentioned, that accused the governor of sexual harassment of 11 women and we learned of one of those women filing allegations against the governor of inappropriate behavior, groping, and an investigation was open. that's the interesting part about this, anderson. this complaint was filed by the albany county sheriff's department without the knowledge of the albany county d.a.'s office. and that is extremely unusual, particularly when we're talking about an instance that is involving the former governor of new york. we can talk more about that, but we can tell you that the d.a.'s
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office, after learning about this complaint being filed by the sheriff's department, sent a release out, saying they had no knowledge of this event happening. >> and has the former governor responded, bryn? >> yeah, so, his personal attorney released a statement to cnn, saying, again, governor cuomo has never assaulted anyone and also saying, accusing that sheriff who filed this complaint of motives that are, quote, patently improper. important to note, the governor now has to make an appearance and that is set for november 17th, anderson. >> so, elle, what happens next? he makes an appearance in court, but who is the appearance in front of if the district attorney's office isn't involved? >> yeah, anderson, so, very important thing has to happen before andrew cuomo appears in court, and that is, the prosecutor needs to review this case first. now, one of the lesser known features of our criminal justice system is that police officers can and often do file initial criminal charges without first talking to a prosecutor.
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but ultimately, the prosecutor is the gatekeeper. the prosecutor has to review that charge, decide whether it's appropriate and the prosecutors wants to move forward, decide whether different charges are warranted or in some cases, dismiss the case. what's so unusual here is it's because there's a timing issue. police officer makes a traffic stop middle of the night, finds a gun or drugs, doesn't have the ability to call up a prosecutor. here, they had all the time in the world and as bryn said, this is the former governor. so, it's fairly inexplicable why the sheriff would have filed these charges without first talking to the d.a. it puts the d.a. in a really difficult position. >> does someone who had charged filed against them by a sheriff, do they get arrested? do they have to go through booking? >> yeah, so, it can go either way. eventually, yes, there will have to be proprocessing, and you ca put that off, and that appears to be put off until the court appearance on november 17th.
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and the question is, will the d.a. act, what will the d.a. do and will the d.a. make that decision before november 17th? >> so, it's up to the district attorney as to whether or not these charges actually move forward? >> absolutely. a police officer cannot move forward with charges if the district attorney is not onboard. and if the district attorney disagrees, the move is to dismiss it. and by the way, this does happen quite frequently. of course, not in cases with this high a profile, but yes, that is the way that this works. >> elie, bryn, thank you so much. florida state senator battling cancer is facing a new fight with her state's surgeon general nominee who refused to wear a mask in her office. she's the one now receiving death threats. she'll join us next.
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cancer. because of that she has a strict masking policy for her office. that didn't stop the state's new surgeon general, a doctor from walking into her office unmasked last week. she says she asked the doctor several times to put on a mask, but he refused and she eventually asked him to leave. he tried to explain his behavior on twitter, because that's where people would explain bad behavior, saying in part, it is important to me to communicate clearly and effectively with people. i can't do that when half of my face is covered. the senator responded by saying his excuse was insulting, because after their canceled meeting, he was bragging to staff that he was "having fun arguing the point with her." the republican president of the florida senate support ed the senator, but she is now receiving death threats from across the country. senator, i appreciate you being
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with us. how are you doing? you started radiation yesterday. i'm sure this is the last thing you needed on your plate. >> thank you for having me, anderson. yes, i did start it yesterday. i had some reaction. i get a day off in between. i go in tomorrow. hopefully it will be okay. yeah, it's been a lot. i certainly was not expecting national publicity, but i couldn't let this opportunity to expose the surgeon general go. it's too important for the top public health official to be treating me this way, the way he treats covid in general, everything is very cavalier, vaccines, masks and obviously the way he treated me, refusing to wear a mask, even when i told him i have a serious medical condition shows his character and temperament is not appropriate to be our top doctor. >> is he an actual real doctor? pretty much every doctor i know can communicate through a mask. doctors communicate in hospitals all the time through masks, tens of thousands of them, nurses as well and lab technicians and a
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lot of very hard working people, they wear masks all day long and they communicate with each other just fine. >> it's absolutely true. and all of us have been managing for the last two years and it's pretty much a slap in the face to those of us struggling and wearing masks all this time. he is a real doctor. i'm not sure what he practiced in. he was a professor before. he has an excellent pedigree but he just chooses to, in my mind, believe in anti-science and to not be looking out for the best interest of floridians by flouting mask mandates. he set out a directive that students in schools should not be quarantined, even if they're exposed to covid-19. so it's very quite dangerous. >> i get somebody trying to boost his public profile. he gets this high-profile job because he can tell the governor this is the kind of person he is. but just on a personal
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one-to-one basis, you hope doctors are decent human beings, although a lot of them have lousy bedside manners. you would hope on a personal basis someone would be a decent human being if anybody says would you please put on a mask, we're meeting in my office and this is what i like in my office. i get trying to raise his profile and be a household name and go on a speaking circuit one day when there are such things again, but it just seems kind of pathetic to me. >> i agree with you. and that was really what made me so upset and why i knew i had to tell the story. here we were in my private office. nobody would have known if he wore a mask in my office. it's not going to hurt his credibility with the maga folks. i don't know why he couldn't do it. the compassion is gone. our governor today came out and defended him -- >> of course. >> didn't say one word about my cancer. and, by the way, his wife also has breast cancer, didn't even mention my name. he couldn't even call me the senator. he just said "they."
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and he was talking about how the surgeon general offered other options, which is going outside or in the hallway instead of wearing a simple piece of fabric over your mouth for the ten minutes of the meeting that he requested. because the senators have to confirm him. >> do you think that what's happening to you right now, and we mentioned you had been receiving death threats, is part and parcel of the larger problem, which is just, a, a lack of common decency? people are now so in their corners that there's -- of course the governor would come out and defend this guy because that's what all people do now. nobody says they're sorry and nobody, you know, takes a step back and tries to walk in someone else's shoes it seems. >> it's been really sad to see. i have gotten tons of support from across the country for sure. but getting, you know, death threats, some anti-semitic in nature, has been really
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troubling. people are just very, very nasty and trolled my facebook to find pictures of me without a mask and thought that proved something. they're just trying so hard to do this kind of what-aboutism and to get a gotcha moment for me. now i feel like i'm being watched everywhere i go. and they're trying to catch me, just because i -- and i've been very strict in my own office, to have a mask policy. and nobody else has ever said no to my request. i do think there's a lack of common decency that's going on. i had to turn off twitter notifications because it just became so nasty. >> yeah. i did that a long time ago. and i'm, frankly, much happier for it. state senator tina polsky, i wish you the best. i hope your chemotherapy goes great. i wish you the best. >> thank you very much. coming up, the apparent case
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