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broad economic agenda. we're going to have more on biden's visit here to europe in a moment. erica? >> first, more on why that trip has been delayed now this morning as you pointed out, jim. before president biden leaves for europe, he's making a detour to capitol hill where he'll meet with the house democratic caucus reportedly in an effort to try to convince progressives to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill that they have been using as leverage to advance the social spending bill. sources telling cnn that the president plans to use this meeting to lay out some of the long awaited details of this $1.75 trillion economic and climate package. now, whether the president can ultimately convince lawmakers to get on board, that still remains to be seen. this after another progressive priority, paid family leave, already slashed from 12 weeks to four, now appears to have been sacrificed altogether and another compromise to moderate west virginia senator joe manchin. >> to expand social programs when you have trust funds that
aren't solvent, going insolvent, i can't explain that. it doesn't make sense to me. i want to work with everyone as long as we can start paying for things. that's all i can't put this burden on my grandchildren. i got ten grandchildren and i can't do it. >> here's where the chair of the progressive caucus congresswoman pramila jayapal said last night about the president's visit. >> here's the thing, if there isn't a deal, which is what i'm still hearing, that we don't have agreement of senator manchin and senator sinema on a framework, even on a framework, much less on legislative text, then i'm not sure what the president is going to present to us. >> and private meetings the president has acknowledged his credibility on the global stage is on the line here, locking eyes with lawmakers and warning that america's prestige is also at stake as he works to secure a deal on the bulk of his domestic agenda. to say there is a lot riding on this day may be an utter statement.
let's bring with the latest developments from washington, jeremy diamond at the white house, lauren fox is on capitol hill, and jeremy, let's begin with you. what more do we know now about the details, about the framework and ideally the die tails the president is hoping to sell to democrats this morning? >> reporter: we're getting a lot more details this morning on exactly what is in this framework that the white house is announcing and that president biden plans to brief the members of the house democratic caucus on in just moments as he arrives on capitol hill. it is going to be $1.75 trillion in spending according to the white house, with universal preschool included, subsidized child care for families, a one-year extension of the child tax credit, there is also going to be over $550 billion in terms of policies to fight climate change, including $320 billion in clean energy tax credits. there is also an expansion of medicare coverage, to cover hearing services and also some policies here to help with
higher education, increase in pell grants by $550. this is the framework that the white house is releasing and to be clear, the white house was not assuring reporters this morning as they spoke to us that they have assurances from senator sinema, senator manchin or from any other lawmakers, frankly, but the white house does believe president biden is behind this and they want to make the case to house democrats this morning. they're laying out how they're going to pay for this. they estimate $1.99 trillion, mostly including tax increases on corporations and on the wealthiest americans. 15% minimum tax on large corporations, which we know senator sinema agreed to already. 1% tax on stock buybacks and rate increases on income above $10 million and on income above $25 million. that will still need to be scored by the joint tax committee in order to actually see exactly how much revenue can be taken out of that, but let's
be clear, president baiden is taking a risk to go over to the house today to make the case for this, even though there is not yet support from the two moderate senators and certainly not yet from the progressive members of the house as well. but the president will be making that case as he prepares to leave on his second foreign trip in a matter of hours. >> lauren, as we just heard, congresswoman jayapal needs that assurance, which jeremy said isn't there from senators manchin and sinema. that's lacking this morning in addition to focus on what is not in this bill in terms of paid family leave. it was already slashed by a third. now it is out. i heard it would be a red line for him. how are -- how are lawmakers looking at this, this morning, heading into this meeting. >> reporter: he's really working against two issues that progressives are facing going
into this caucus meeting this morning. the first is what this bill does not include. the paid family leave piece is significant in part because it is so popular and democrats have talked about it for so long. it is a core provision that democrats say they have been fighting for and yet they had this opportunity and it is not expected to be included in this piece of legislation as of right now. the other challenge for the president going into this meeting is the reality that progressives have asked for more than just a loose framework or just some promises from the president that he's going to be able to get senators sinema and manchin on board when push comes to shove. what progressives have said, what they are saying going into this meeting this morning is they need legislative text, and some of them need a vote or some kind of public promise from manchin or sinema that this proposal is something that they are committed to getting behind and voting through. so it is not just what is missing in this bill, what it
includes, it is also the fact that progressives feel like this isn't fully cooked. it is not fully babd yet. so the president's challenge going into this meeting and it is a gamble is that he needs to remind people that he's about to go out on the world stage, he needs something in hand and he has talked and listened long enough. now is the moment he needs his democratic party to get in line and get behind him. will he be able to do that today? that's the huge question going into this meeting. >> yeah, absolutely. lauren fox, jeremy diamond, appreciate the reporting, we'll continue to check in with you. for now, let's toss it over to jim in rome. jim? >> thanks so much, erica. joining me susan glasser, staff writer for "the new yorker" and kaitlan collins also here in rome with me covering the president's trip. kaitlan, if i can begin with you, president biden acknowledged in private meetings with lawmakers that his credibility to s s s se degree, ilit stage, is at stake, in terms of getting
his agenda through. to come here empty handed would damage his and the country's credibility. i wonder is the framework that the president plans to announce this morning enough to assure allies that this is a president getting things done at home? >> yeah, i think the white house has tried to tamp down the expectations when it comes to that, jim, by saying that he's meeting with other world leaders while he's here, they understand domestic politics, that's what they're framing it as. it is the president himself who has set this standard, telling other lawmakers he believes the prestige of the u.s. was on the line when it came to getting an agreement on this. he made clear, very clear publicly he did want to have this agreement by the time he came here. but i think the other question, of course, is what the reaction to the president's visit to capitol hill this morning is going to be, from his own party, given you heard what jeremy and lauren just laid out and what is not included in this are really big things that the president had pushed for months on the campaign trail, since he took
office, and that's not just limited to community college and two free years of that and also paid leave which we are now told is not going to be included in the framework that the president lays out today, but also when it does come to expanding medicare, only going to include hearing based on this framework right now. that is not what senator bernie sanders wanted. he wanted vision and dental in there as well. and also prescription drug prices, we're told that negotiating those also not included in this framework. so those are some really big sticking points that we have heard from lawmakers, so i think how the president leaves washington today will depend on what the outcome and what the reaction is from his own party after he meets with them behind closed doors. but i do think this played into the factor of why he's delaying this departure a little bit, going up there to speak with them, so he can have something behind him when he does leave to come here to rome. >> this is president biden's second big overseas trip.
since then we had very public disagreements between the u.s. and some closest allies on the swift afghanistan withdrawal, the sub deal with australia. is it safe to say that the shine, the shine and -- as i'm asking that question, joe biden has arrived on the hill, this is the moment kaitlan was describing, going on the hill there to garner that support has the shine come off the joe biden presidency? >> i think we're at the point where biden domestically and internationally needs to show results as opposed to just rhetoric or the fact of his presidency is no longer enough to ensure goodwill. and biden himself and his advisers have set this up as a moment when he was going to be going overseas with commitments
and actual action in hand. it is very tenuous whether he's going to achieve that. one thing i'm really struck by is that we should remember bident tbiden has just been negotiating with members his own party and dealing with concerns from the allies. he's not negotiating with china. he's not negotiating with republicans right now. these are his own people who he's had such a challenge to fall in line and that's the reality of an incredibly divided and dysfunctional system we have now in the u.s. >> one thing we should note, two world leaders who are not coming to rome, joining virtually, the leaders of china and russia due to covid concerns, they say. as we see the president arriving on the hill now to make a last pitch before he travels, he's making a bit of a bet here, is he not, announcing a framework deal and almost daring members of his own party to go against
it. does he win that game of chicken? >> yeah, it is a big dare because, of course to have the president come up there, and privately make his case to you and say i really like you to vote for this, i need you to vote for this, it is hard for a progressive member to say no to that. it is the president, of course, of their party. but also as you heard lauren say, a lot of the progressives want to see the actual text of this. they want to see what this agreement is going to say, not just hear broad outlines or bullet points. but there is no legislative text, so when it comes to that end of actual votes and how this plays out, that's up to the house speaker pelosi. the question whether it solves this, i think it depends on just how eagerly the president makes his case behind closed doors and whether or not progressives feel like he has secured the agreements of senator manchin and senator sinema when it comes to the sextext of this and what looks like. you're right, the president is making a bet here by going up to the hill and so the question is, you know if they do reject that, how does that leave the president in his standing as
he's leaving washington? and what these negotiations look like over the next several days. so it is a risk, it is a bet on the president's behalf and we don't yet know how it will play out. >> susan, top of the agenda here in rome for g-20 is the climate. leaders will leave here and go to scotland for the u.n. climate summit known as cop26, joined by some 200 other world leaders. part of the president's framework agenda is an investment in clean energy, climate provisions in the u.s. amounting to almost -- just above half a trillion dollars. is that commitment enough to please and convince, i should say, u.s. allies that he is committed to climate measures? >> well, look, the backdrop here is deep ongoing uncertainty which deal is not going to resolve. deep uncertainty about whether the united states actually has a commitment in -- to go forward
in a stable and predictable way on the world stage. remember, that president donald trump withdrew the united states from the paris accord, on climate, and biden reversed that decision, but, you know, chinese officials and everyone else can do the math, can look at the numbers and say this is a country that may or may not still be committed to the climate policies in two years if congress is lost by the democrats in several years if there is a republican president, if donald trump returns to office. so there is the question of what kind of reliable actor the united states can be on the world stage, even if biden secures this agreement of his own party right now and moves forward with the climate provisions that are in the bill that they're currently debating. right now, that is a huge issue overshadowing everything through the united states internationally and diplomatically is that nobody is really certain what kind of an actor the u.s. is on the world stage, can we trust america's
word or not. >> yeah, does the u.s. come in and out of international agreements like the paris climate accord, like the iran nuclear deal, depending on which party is represented in the oval office as we have seen in the last several years. kaitlan, given the challenges at home, and the challenges abroad, is there as you speak to white house officials, is there nervousness in the white house? do they see that they are, particularly as they watch his approval ratings at home decline sharply, are they never ous abot his position at home? >> i think it is a challenge for them this time around. the g-7, it was easier to walk into that and have the message i'm not former president trump, i'm president biden and we're going to restore the alliances, restore what you were used to, and i think that it is more challenging for them. there is no overarching message he's bringing to the g-20. they are hopeful, of course welcome the absence of the chinese and russian leaders that this will n opportunity for
president biden to kind of make an american presence known there, so that is something that they'll be looking to take advantage of when the president does arrive here. we'll see how it plays out, how he's greeted by the world leaders, following afghanistan, following that dispute with the french over the submarine deal, there are a lot of factors at play here. we'll see publicly how these world leaders receive president biden compared to how they did at the g-7, just about four or five months ago. >> no question. how quickly things can change. i remember the almost bravado of joe biden on that first overseas trip in geneva, with that message, as we mentioned earlier, america is back, reassuring allies,ding a warning to vladimir putin over russian cyberattacks on the u.s., but here we are, five years later, reality, some events unexpected, and some misis takemistakes have appeare. what does he need to leave rome
and scotland for the u.n. climate summit? what does he need to leave the overseas trips with to call them a success? >> i think the most important factor here is what if anything is going to come out of the u.s. and china when it comes to climate, between the two of them they're responsible for something like 40% of the world's emissions. right now there has not been a lot of leadership from either country when it comes to that. and the u.s. and china are on a state of almost hostility bordering on a new cold war and so there have not been successful negotiations between the two countries leading up to this. there was a cold reception to john kerry, the former secretary of state, who is joe biden's climate envoy when he tried to go to beijing recently to set this up. and, you know, xi jinping is not going to be coming to the climate summit or the g-20 in person. that's going to make it even harder. and so right now i think the world is looking and trying to
understand what is the nature of this rivalry between the two countries whose decisions are going to shape what kind of a world goes into this challenge and this problem of climate change. that's number one. number two, how is joe biden going to do with the allies? this is the first time since there has been a diplomatic spat with france, that they're going to be seen in person all together. can the west present this united front? remember, early in his presidency joe biden framed what he wanted to do with foreign policy as to show the world that a rejuvenated alliance of democracies could take on the resurgent authoritarian nations of russia and china. right now, that's really a question mark and i think people will be looking to see an alliance really exists now. >> it is a great point. white house officials have noted that, that biden has to show in effect that democracy works. u.s. democracy works.
it can deliver on climate change and other issues. hold on for a moment, susan and kaitlan. i want to bring in lauren fox on the hill where as we saw earlier president joe biden has now arrived to meet with lawmakers. he's going to dare members of his own party to stand in the way of his agenda. will this framework agreement be enough? >> reporter: well, jim, i think it was a powerful visual statement. you saw him walking into that room, just a few minutes ago, flanked by democratic leaders, both house speaker nancy pelosi and steny hoyer, the majority leader. this is a clear indication this is not just the president who wants this deal, this is also democratic leaders and they have the backing of the president. for weeks a lot of moderates behind the scenes have been grumbling about the fact they wish the president would have asked his progressive members to get behind that bipartisan infrastructure deal weeks ago. remember, they were at this impasse about a month ago now.
now this moment has arrived, where the president is going to go in and say i need you with me. and i think that is going to be a very important question mark of whether or not progressives are going to be listening. going into this meeting, progressives were where they were yesterday, saying that they needed text, they needed more assurances, this framework is too loose. perhaps something that the president says in this meeting today gets through to them, perhaps it doesn't, but this is a critical moment. it is a moment in which all bets are off in terms of asking politely for their votes. what he needs now is just everybody to get in line behind them where before he goes out on the world stage. >> well, as a number of democratic lawmakers have described to me in recent days, it is a question do members of his own party trust not only the president's word on this, that he will back and deliver on this framework, but also lauren fox do they trust their colleagues in the senate, senator joe
manchin, kyrsten sinema who set their own red lines on this, do they? as you've been speaking to members, will they believe that a framework is enough to be convinced not only biden is behind this, but sinema and manchin are. >> the white house is banking on progressives in the house to trust manchin and sinema. the trust is nonexistent at this point. i think the progressives view those members as standing in the way of huge major policy provisions that they have been campaigning on, whether that's paid family leave or certain tax increases that they thought the democratic party was all united around. right now the president's best case scenario is to go into this room and make the case that you have to trust me, you have to trust that i can convince sinema and manchin to get behind this proposal. and over time in private conversations the white house and the president is very clear on where manchin and sinema are. you heard manchin say after multiple rounds of meetings with white house officials they know
where i am, it is up to the white house at this point, in what direction they want to go. clearly the direction they wanted to go was get as far as they can in terms of what an agreement would look like and then take as much possible democratic caucus today and make it clear these are the provisions we have, this is the direction we're going, i think i can get the votes, can you please be with me to support this bipartisan infrastructure bill? this is our best chance in years to do something big. >> and, by the way, exactly what many lawmakers have been asking for. they want biden to take the lead on this. we talk about lack of trust between democrats and republicans, here we have an instance of lack of trust within the democratic party. lauren fox, great to have you on the hill. kaitlan collins, susan glasser. lots more to come. erica, back to you. >> a busy day. and just a better sense of where the president stands as he was walking in, reporters shouting a number of questions at him. most of them we're told by our
colleagues were ignored. the president saying it is a good day, when asked about certain members of congress supporting this, he said, jokingly, according to our reporters, everyone's on board. we'll see what comes out of this meeting and we will be watching it very closely. we're also keeping a close eye on new developments out of new mexico, where the sheriff investigating the fatal shooting on the set of the movie "rust" now says the focus is down to two members of that crew. plus, covid vaccines for younger kids set to roll out as soon as next week. and in advance of that, some public health officials are increasingly worried about threats to their safety. plus, as i mentioned, we're going to stay on this breaking news, capitol hill, the president is there, as our lauren fox mentioned, flanked by leaders, showing this needs to get done. will it work? we'll ask one senator if the framework is enough to get those votes. for the last few years, i've been a little obsessed with chasing the big idaho potato truck. but it's not like that's my only interest.
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at this moment, president biden in a room on capitol hill with the democratic caucus, no cell phones aloud inside as they huddle, the president trying to get everybody on the same page, trying to make sure that there is support for this $1.75 trillion framework he's now laying out. what do we know about that? the president's version which he is again laying out to members now, hoping to get everybody on board, what's in, universal pre-k, $320 billion in clean energy tax creatdits, one of th major headlines, paid family leave out. we're going to get you updated as soon as we get new details and details from what is happening inside that meeting. a lot of other news we want to
make sure you're caught up on today as well. that deadly shooting on the set of alec baldwin's movie, the santa fe, new mexico, sheriff says the focus for the investigation is on two people, the film's assistant director, david halls, and the armorer, hannah gutierrez. noting that no one here, the sheriff says, has been cleared, and he said that includes alec baldwin. this as he tells cnn officials are focusing their investigation on how a live round got on to the set, got into that gun, that alec baldwin fired. >> right now we can't determine exactly how that live bullet got into the firearm. that's going to be the basis for further investigation. we need more interviews and that's going to be the million dollar question is how a live round ended up in the revolver that mr. baldwin fired. >> cnn correspondent lucy
kafanov has been following this for us since the beginning. in terms of what we know today, we know what they're focusing in on, we're also learning more about the gun as i understand it, lucy. >> reporter: that's right, erica. for starters we're learning it was a real gun and not a prop that was recovered on scene by the authorities. it was one of three seized on set, the only functional weapon, the other two were not. authorities collected 500 rounds of ammunition, some of them were blanks, but the sheriff said he suspects some were actually live rounds. they believe they have the firearm used in the shooting as well as the spent casing, and the sheriff says he can't determine how the bullet got there. you point out that's part of the investigation. they have extracted it from the shoulder of director joel souza, sent it off to an fbi crime lab for testing with other evidence, and as the santa fe district attorney told my colleague josh campbell the investigation is going to -- the linchpin for the
charges will be the question of how that live ammunition got on set and got into the gun. now, you mentioned the investigate is focusing on two people now, dave halls, the assistant director, he issued a chilling admission to detectives according to a newly released court documents in which he said that he failed to check the weapon that was use d in that deadly shooting. he told detectives, he said he failed to check the firearm properly, saying he could, quote, only remember seeing three rounds, he advised he should have checked all of them, but he didn't. hannah gutierrez was interviewed by the same detective. she said she checked the gun for dummies, fake bullets, blanks and ensured they were not hot rounds. the armorer also told detectives that no live ammo is ever kept on set, and, of course, the sheriff contradicting her in yesterday's press conference saying they do suspect that live ammunition was on that set.
the sheriff did say both of those people were the target of the investigation now. we know everyone is cooperating. alec baldwin has been interviewed multiple times. the sheriff also told anderson cooper yesterday that halls, the assistant director, he retained legal counsel and the sheriff is now working through that attorney to get another statement to answer some more questions. >> there are still so many questions. lucy kafanov, appreciate it, thank you. still to come, a new poll shows less than a third of parents say they plan to get their children vaccinated right away once those shots are available for 5 to 11-year-olds. we're going to talk with a doctor about what that could mean and whether there is anything that she thinks could move the needle for some of those who are hesitant? football, is a game of inches.
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we are live in rome, where in just a few hours president joe biden will arrive for his first g-20 summit as commander in chief. his departure from the u.s. delayed as he tries to move his broad economic agenda across the finish line, trying to get members of his own party on board. he arrived on capitol hill a short time ago to make that pitch to say in effect to democratic lawmakers, trust me, this framework is enough, we can move forward. one of the senators who will be considering that plan, senator ed markey of massachusetts, democrat, joins us now this morning. senator, thank you for taking the time this morning. >> thank you, good morning. >> you can forgive me, i imagine, and others watching this broadcast now, who are confused what exactly is going on on the hill, the president
going there, putting his muscle behind this, asking others to trust him on the framework, steny hoyer says he wants a vote today. but others in the house saying they won't move forward, they need the language of this, they're not going to move unless they have clarity. can you tell us based on your conversations with democratic leadership what is happening? >> well, again, i'm not privy to exactly what the president is saying right now inside of the democratic caucus. my own believe is that, yes, the bill that has roads and bridges in it, it is very important. but so is the bill that has universal pre-k, that has child care, that has the climate provisions, the climate accelerated, the climate -- the energy tax breaks, the civilian climate corps. that's also critically important. and it is inside of the framework, but the devil is in
the details. we still have today, tomorrow, saturday, sunday, we can resolve all of these issues. we can sit down and get it to the table, so that we are not just dealing with the framework, but we have some specifics, the details so we understand completely what it is that we're voting upon. >> it sounds like you don't feel the urgency as some democratic leaders do and the president frankly of coming to an agreement today. are you comfortable with the democratic party sending their own president to europe to g-20 empty handed? the president has acknowledged his credibility is on the line, that if he can't deliver before coming here, he will arrive here somewhat diminished. are you comfortable sending him here empty handed? >> i obviously trust joe biden. i know he's going to advocate for the strongest possible social programs, for the strongest possible climate provisions, and a lot of that is in this bill. if we can complete it. but ultimately we still have
more time before next week when joe biden is in glasgow, and my belief is that we can resolve all these issues and then with certainty the democrats can vote both for the infrastructure bill, and for joe biden's build back better program with all of the details that are very clear to everyone, not just in the congress, but all across the country. >> it sounds like you're almost granting accepting that this is not going to happen today. >> well, i have not seen any specific legislative text with regard to what is in the legislation on taxes, on medicare, on medicaid, or on the exact formulation of any of the climate provisions, even though i'm very optimistic that we'll have a very bold program, i think it is wise for the members of congress to actually see the
legislative language before we're asked to support it. >> so you're saying that a framework that lays out this plan in broad strokes is not enough for you. you want to see the language in the law as some other democratic lawmakers are demanding? >> i want to ensure that we have 50 votes in the senate for the framework and for what the details that would be filled in for that framework. and right now we don't have a commitment for 50 votes. and at that point, i'm more than willing to vote for the roads and bridges, the infrastructure bill, and for the social programs and the climate provisions. i think that we're very close right now. we have a chance to get it done, we just have to keep our nose to the grind stone, up here on the hill, keep working as hard as we can for the next three or four days and we can finish it. and give a package to the
president that he can talk to the rest of the world about. >> you're, of course, on the senate foreign relations committee. as i mentioned earlier, the president acknowledged his credibility at home and on the world stage is at stake in these negotiations, primarily on climate commitmentcommitments. from here in rome, he goes on to sc scotland for the u.n. climate summit. you see some who see a diminished presidency here. are you concerned that joe biden's position now and the country's position in the world has lost some of the shine that it had when he came into office? >> i think as joe biden arrives in glasgow, he's ready to reclaim the leadership of the -- for the united states on climate change. he's not going to be preaching temperance from a barstool. he's not going to be telling the rest the world to do something that we're not doing ourselves. that's why the outline of the provisions which are in
potentially going to be voted upon successfully in the senate are so important. and combined with what will happen at the state level, combined with the administration can do on raising fuel economy standards with executive action, there is a real promise and real leadership that joe biden is going to provide for the rest of the world. i'm confident that that will happen. and let's work as hard as we can for the next three or four days to finish it off so he'll have it there next monday and tuesday for the world leaders. >> briefly on china, there are genuine concerns about growing tensions between the u.s. and china, we heard from the taiwanese president today, acknowledging for the first time publicly that u.s. troops are on the ground in taiwan. this is something that china opposes greatly, it is an enormous step to publicly acknowledge that. do you believe that's a necessary deterrent against china invading taiwan? >> well, again, our official
policy is a one china policy and it should continue to be a one china policy. we do not want to in any way be precipitating a military conflict between china and the united states that would ultimately be catastrophic for both countries and for the rest of the world, we're talking about two countries that have nuclear weapons that are already deployed. so there has to be ultimately a diplomatic resolution of any of the conflicts that we have with china, including climate change and taiwan. there is no military solution to any of these issues with china. so having military there from the united states may be one thing. but it would not be sufficient in any way in order to affect positively a military conflict with china, it would be catastrophic. >> okay. senator ed markey, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you for having me on. we're live in rome, where
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increase in anti-vaccine protests and threats to their safety. cnn health reporter jacqueline howard is joining me now with more. i find this so disturbing and there are real threats, real harassment. >> there is definitely genuine concern. i spoke with the head of the national association of country and city health officials, and she says that anytime a new covid-19 mitigation measure is introduced to the public, whether it's masks or vaccines, that typically leads to an increase in the intimidating threats and harassment that public health officers face. and we all know that the nation is approaching another mitigation measure, vaccines for kids. have a listen. >> the rollout of the pediatric vaccine is another critical turning point, and we anticipate that there will be people who may again target public health officials and their messaging related to the rollout of this latest mitigation measure.
we are so concerned that as time goes on, as this pandemic goes on, that these threats, intimidation, harassment, and really are advancing in some cases and becoming more dangerous. >> this has been an ongoing problem throughout the pandemic, but there is concern about threats becoming more dangerous as well. and the southern poverty law center, which tracks hate groups, political violence, and extremist organizations, the center says that it has noticed threats against public health officials might be coming from individuals tied to extremist groups. our research indicated that some of the threats have come from individuals with known affiliation with far-right advocati participating in en violence. this is something the center is
keeping a close eye on where we rely on our public health officers to keep us safe but now there is concern for their safety. >> one quick look at social media and you can see why that concern is there. the comments, the threats that are put out there on a daily fay v basis to so many people. it is frightening. jacqueline, thank you. such an important story we'll need to stay on. when we look at those vaccines for children, there's a new survey this morning which suggests a majority of parents do not plan to immediately vaccinate their younger children for covid. this is despite the panel which recommended that the fda authorize pfizer's vaccine for 5- to 11-year-oldses. this new polling from the pfizer foundation found 27% of parents say they will get their kids that shot right away. 33% are wait and see. 30% are no. dr. leana wen joins us.
we look at those numbers. we have such excellent data, and eve kwhan we heard coming out of that independent advisory board on tuesday of last week as to why they recommended the fda should authorize this vaccine for 5- to 11-year-olds. it's highly effective. what do you think could move the needle for some of these parents? >> well, i think the 30% of parents who are the hard no, i'm not sure that we can move them so easily because very likely they are the same individuals who have not gotten the vaccine themselves and it's unlikely they'll get their kids vaccinated. however, this wait-and-see group i'm optimistic about. i think many of these parents just want to know, they want a bit more experience with the vaccines, and i actually think that's okay. all parents want what's best for our children. there are some parents who are extremely eager to get their kids vaccinated. they want to be first in line for a number of reasons. maybe they have children with underlying medical conditions, maybe their kids are in schools
without masks. maybe they have other risk factors including maybe they live at home with a compromised family member and want to protect that family member. it's okay to let those parents who are so eager to go first and that wait-and-see category, i believe they will follow. >> one thing that stood out to me in this polling is i know you and i have talked about this, we've seen dr. rochelle walensky say there is no way to suggest that the covid vaccines interfere with a women's fertile ti. the fact there is such a large number of parents, right, who are still looking at this misinformation, what is what does that tell you? what needs to change in terms of messaging? >> yeah. i know that parents of course, we all are concerned what might
happen to our children later. we want to give them the best chance for opportunities, for growth, for their health. i think we're looking at the wrong thing, which is that parents should be thinking about the long-term consequences of covid-19. we know that in this age group of 5- to 11-year-olds more than 8,000 children have been hospitalized to covid. more than 140 of them have died, and thousands may be living with long-term consequences not from a vaccine but from the coronavirus. that's what we should be focused on. there is no evidence whatsoever for any other vaccine causing long-term consequences for children. there's no evidence that in some way that this may impact fertility or anything long term when it comes to the vaccine. so we really should be a lot more worried about the virus in the short term as well as long-term consequences on our children as opposed to the vaccine. >> such a great point. ththththk you. >> thank you. at any moment democrats may emerge from a key meeting with president biden on capitol hill. so are they going to be able to
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