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top leadership positions. he said he received no warning or any sort of explanation for his firing and was replaced by two women. a white woman and a black woman. according to court documents, novant said he lacked leadership skills and often delegated many of the tasks to one of the women who replaced him. now, the jury found otherwise, determining they thought his race and gender were motivating factors in his firing. in a statement from his attorney, they said, quote, we believe the punitive damages award was a message that an employer cannot terminate and replace employees simply based on their race or gender in order to achieve target for greater diversity in the workforce. it is plainly unlawful and harmful and that was obvious to the jury.
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brianna, john, they released a statement to local media saying they disagree with the ruling and do not believe the evidence supported the verdict and they plan to look into their legal options and pursue anything they can, including an appeal in the near future. >> yeah. and will we see other cases following suit here? very outstanding question. "new day" continues right now. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. it is thursday, october 28th. there's still no deal. as democrats are racing against the clock, trying to save president biden's multitrillion dollar social agenda. we are now hearing president biden is on the verge of presenting democrats with the framework of a potential deal. so what is that going to be? the president here is desperately trying to bring moderates and progressives together. he's hoping to have something finalized before he leaves for europe and the g20 summit. he's delayed his departure. he put it off for a few hours to
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meet with house democrats on the hill this morning. earlier on "new day", we spoke with congresswoman debbie dingell about the negotiations and the prospect of a deal. >> legislation is the art of compromise. compromise isn't a dirty word. you bring everybody to the table. y people with weak stomachs shouldn't watch sausage or laws being made. i haven't seen the sausage making this difficult, making you sick to your stomach. we're not done. we don't know what's in it. let's hear what the president says. >> we are hearing the president is going to the hill with something. the white house has something that they obviously hope gets democrats over the finish lean. this is all happening right now. this is developing as we speak. in the next couple hours, we
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could know whether democrats have a deal to pass this or not. cnn's lauren fox is there. they are waiting for the president's arrival. they are waiting to see if he gives them something they can agree on today. >> reporter: well, john, such a consequential moment and a big gamble for the president as democrats are a weighting his message this morning. the expectation, according to sources that cnn is hearing from, is the president will come and present a package that could be the contours of a deal, a framework. this is not completely finished. this is not going to have every single detail or legislative text delivered to the house democratic caucus this morning. instead, this is an effort by the president to make his case that this is where we are headed. this is the contours of a major legislative deal. and his message is going to be i need the democratic caucus to be with me on this.
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now, the president is going to be asking them to really trust him on whether or not he can sell this bigger social safety net agenda to the senate. remember, there have been so many moments in this negotiation that have laid bare the differences between progressives and moderates in the democratic caucus. and the president's challenge in this meeting is to make it clear to his members, yes, this may not be everything you want. it may not include paid family leave. but the president is trying to encourage progressives to remember that something is better than nothing right now. and i think that is going to be the key message here. but it's obviously going to be a huge test of whether or not the president can sell this. right now walking into this meeting there are dozens of progressives who may not be willing to go ahead and vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill until they have legislative
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text or a vote even on the bigger social safety net bill. that is not something that will be possible in the next 48 hours. so the effort under way is to walk into this meeting and sell a framework that still may have some pieces of it their in a a work in progress but is really going to present where this agenda is going. is that going to be enough for the democratic caucus? that is the major outstanding question this morning and something this meeting is building to in the next couple of hours. >> am i reading this right, he is going to walk in and say this is the day i need you to say yes. this may not be everything you want or all the details of everything you want. but today is the day where you get-together and say you will support this. >> reporter: that's exactly right, john. the white house has been conversations behind the scenes. they have been making this case that the time was coming to a close when they needed to find an agreement that everyone was going to just finally say yes
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to. that moment is coming today whether or not the president is going to be able to actually convince his democratic caucus that they are going to get on board. that's another question entirely. that's why this is always a gamble. he is walking in, giving it everything he has. is it going to be enough? we're going to have to wait and see. >> you don't often see this, the president not know the outcome of a gamble like this. lauren fox, thank you very much. all right. let's talk with chief political correspond skpepbt co-anchor of state of the union, dana bash. the president, as john said, is going to go up and say today is the day you need to say yes. it is also the day for progressives that joe manchin killed family leave from this bill. there are they going to be on this? >> reporter: we're not sure. we're not sure. and john, the way you framed it is so accurate. he is about to go on a foreign trip, these meetings that he has are all precooked.
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and kwhaes going to do today is the opposite of precooked. he really is going to have to use all of those skills that he has touted for decades, someone who can bring people together, rally support and use it for his fellow democrats. you are right. there are a lot of details that have fallen out of this package that make progressives very upset. the gut punch was yesterday finding on it for sure that paid family leave was gone. the public line is we still have a lot of important things, which is true. not having paid family leave, which is so indiana credibly popular is very difficult. i had a senior democrat say point plank we couldn't convince
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senator joe manchin. if we wanted this package, he had to let it go. . >> this is one of the very rare cases we don't know which way this will go. this will develop the next few hours. i don't think of a time when we have seen anything like this where the president is going to sell something and he or we don't know which way it is headed. in the meantime, you are both veterans of the softball team. >> we're spirited. spirited veterans. >> it's the effort that matters here. >> our team won all the time. we didn't need to be that great. >> the media softball team that plays against members of congress. there was the game last night, that was also awesome. you spoke with amy klobuchar about her battle with cancer. i want to listen to that. >> reporter: on this capitol hill ball field, a bipartisan team of female lawmakers face
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off a team of female reporters. at the annual congressional women's softball game. >> we now have runners on first and second. >> reporter: announcing the game with yours truly and nbc's andrea mitchell is senator amy klobuchar. >> now it's time to play ball. let's go. >> reporter: for 10 years, klobuchar has been calling the fame and helping with its core mission, raising money to combat breast cancer. this year is different. it's personal. . >> i was in d.c. in my apartment by myself. i got the call. they just said it's actually stage 1a cancer. >> reporter: breast cancer diagnosed in the spring. >> i was scared. because i was so surprised. i had always felt good. boy, did i learn a lot about don't put off your exams. >> reporter: she put it off for a couple of years. >> i was going to have an exam.
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then the pandemic started. they closed things down, right. and so i then couldn't get it. >> reporter: after a lumpectomy and a round of radiation, her prognosis is very good. . >> thousands of women have undetected breast cancer. i'm a living example -- yeah, i put it off. so i'm an example of that. but if you catch it early enough, the treatment may be easier. and certainly your chances of success are greater. . >> now she is co sponsoring legislation to promote preventive health care screenings. the women's softball game was started by debbie wasserman schultz after her breast cancer diagnosis in 2013. it benefits the young survival coalition, an organization dedicated to issues unique to young adults with breast cancer. >> this woman was the first person i went to outside my
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family to tell them -- tell her that i had breast cancer. little did i know 13 years later i would be standing here with us, both of us being survivors. . >> that's one of the reasons we do this game. there are so many survivors out there that got help when they should. they go on to live incredible lives. >> i know you want to know what the big number was on the check. >> what was it? >> i am going to tell you who won of course. the number on the big check, $500,000, which prince over the past 13 years, about $2 million raised for breast cancer awareness and for this incredible organization. you want to know who won? >> i purposely avoided it so you could tell me. >> the score was 5-1.
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the winners were the press corps. the bad news babes. incredible athleticism. i think it of the best game we've had so far. >> that's great. last winning. bases loaded. it was 5-1. bases loaded. and there was a pop up to left field. an incredible catcher caught the ball, and it was over. it could have been tied up but it was over. . >> i actually came up with that name, the bad news pwaeubs. my sole contribution because my softball skills are not that great. >> i was the original captain of the team. and then after i had my son i used it as an excuse to announce from the sidelines. >> you are like retired old ball
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players reminiscing about the games you played. i got that triple. remember that when i was there? it's a great cause. >> it is a great cause. and thanks to amy klobuchar for sharing her story >> dana, thank you so much. new details emerging into the deadly film set shooting new mexico. david halls acknowledged to investigators that he did not check all the rounds loaded in the weapon. this as we are hearing from investigators that it was a bullet, a live round that was fired. l lucy kafanov with the details. lucy. >> reporter: well, john, this was the first update that we heard from officials and investigators since that shooting took place. the sheriff, the santa fe county sheriff saying there appeared to be complacency in how weapons were handled on that set.
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he acknowledged they believe a real gun and a suspected live round is what may have killed the cinematographer, and chilling admission about failing to check the gun by the assistant director. >> reporter: an update on the investigation as officials say they are one step closer to learning what killed cinematographer a week ago. . >> the facts are clear, a weapon was handed to mr. baldwin. it was functional and fired a live round, killing ms. hutchins and injuring mr. souza. >> reporter: dave halls telling detectives he failed to check the firearm properly. a search warrant saying he could only remember seeing three rounds. he advised he should have checked all of them but didn't the armorer also speaking to authorities in the saying she
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checked the dummies and ensured they were not live rounds. >> we suspect there was other live rounds found on the set. i won't comment further on how they got there. >> reporter: two crew members alleging few tear resident mishandled weapons on a previous film project with nicolas cage. in allegations first reported by the wrap, stu pwrupl baugh saying she just fired off her round. it sounded like she fired at the ground and nick laid into her. she is the most inexperienced armorer i have ever worked with. >> when a gun goes off on set it is not good. nobody has ear protection. unfortunately in that scenario, nick was walking by and got pretty upset. >> it happened twice on our set. the second time i asked her to be removed. i found out it was her first movie.
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>> no charges have been filed yet. all options are on the table. no one has been ruled out, john. >> it's a high bar. in nickname especially a high bar for this. questions remain about who put the bullet in the chamber. who was required to check if it was a live bullet. those are such key questions.
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those are the people who are undoubtedly nervous this morning. lucy kafanov, thank you very much. >> wall street journal under fire for publishing an op-ed -- for publishing a letter to the editor full of lies from president trump, the former president, about the election. plus, stuntmen on capitol hill as republicans attack attorney general maker garland. see what happened there. >> we have an exclusive interview with several of the jurors from the derek chauvin trial. what they say was the key factor in the guilty verdict over the murder of george floyd. is a gam. but it's also a game, of information. because the nfl is connected. and at any moment, the fate of the season can come down to this. billions of secure connections, per second. when the game is on the line and the game is always on the line touchdown! the nfl relies on cisco.
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new lies from the former president about the 2020 election. he continues to lie about the outcome. this time in a letter to the
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editor printed by "the wall street journal". now, despite the clear seriousness of what he is saying and the halshoods and the lack of evidence he provide, they didn't fact check this. al schmidt. you were a key election official in pennsylvania during the election. this letter to the editor that the former president wrote is about pennsylvania specifically. i'm not going to put up on the screen what it says because so much is from outer space or provably false. but what was it like for you to read this? >> well, it was incredibly frustrating. as soon as i saw it, i sat down to prepare a rebuttal for each item. and for many of them, i have no idea what they're even talking about. because they clearly have no idea what they're talking about. it's prepared by some -- it
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looks like he just copied and pasted some figures from some goofy website that's advocating for an audit in pennsylvania. i think this is very similar to what we saw in arizona. and there's an effort to repeat that here. . >> again, i'm not going to put on the screen the different things he says. an example of something provably false he claims that people who are 17, registered to vote, and suggested somehow that's outrageous. what is the law in pennsylvania? . >> in the commonwealth of pennsylvania, you can register to vote provided that you turn 18 on or before the next election day. so a 17-year-old who turns 18 can register to vote. once they reach their birthday, their voter registration is activated. these are 18-year-olds casting votes. there's nothing controversial about that. it is the way the law is
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written. and, you know, i'm sorry. sometimes i'm a little speechless trying to combat these things because they're so l looney. >> the attempt to mainstream it, though. to see "the wall street journal" just print this, in your mind, what does this do to truth? >> that's really the irresponsible part about what they did. i had no idea that they didn't fact check letters to the editor at all. they clearly couldn't. because if this is what i do for a living and i can't figure out what they're talking about, i'm sure "the wall street journal" can't either. and we're not just talking about the damage it does to the faith in our democracy, but it is getting to the point where it damages the functioning of our democracy. when election officials and administrators across the country are having to combat all
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of this, all these lies, and it's driving many of them away from their jobs. . >> and it puts people at risk. it has put you at risk, physical risk incident to play some testimony from you on that subject just this week. let's listen. >> cops can't help you. heads on spikes, treasonous schmidts, you be trayed your country. you lied. perhaps cuts and bullets will soon arrive at, provides my address, names my children, rino election, we steal lives. let's be clear, this is domestic terrorism. the whole point is to terrorize, to intimidate and to coerce and to prevent our democracy from functioning as it should. >> to be clear, these are threats that have been issued to you and your family. why was it important for you to call it domestic terrorism?
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>> because that's really what it is. election officials across the country need to give it their all to combat the lies at every turn and to call them what they are. it is really not helpful at all when an institution like "the wall street journal" editorial page prints this stuff. because it is giving it to some sort of credibility that it doesn't have and doesn't deserve. >> philadelphia city commissioner al schmidt, i appreciate you being with us this morning. . >> thank you. >> an alarming video from a right-wing event showing the threat of real life violence spawning from trump's election lies. >> and it was their hard work that saved countless lives. the scientists who helped develop the moderna covid vaccine, they will join us.
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we could be days away from kids ages 5 to 11 able to get the covid vaccine. but a new survey from the kaiser family foundation finds the majority of parents do not plan to vaccinate their kids right away. i want to discuss with two scientists who helped develop the moderna vaccine. assistant professor of immunology at harvard school of public health and dr. barney graham, deputy director of the research center at the national institutes of health. thank you both for being with us. thank you both for everything you did the last two years. when you hear parents reluctant or nervous about getting their children ages 5 to 11 vaccinated, what do you think about that? >> i think it's completely fair. we're giving these parents a lot to digest. i think that any parent who is
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making a risk assessment about getting their child vaccinated is really making that risk assessment out of love. so i'm empathetic to that. and i know that it is a lot to really unpack. and that's why dr. graham and i are here today to help parents understand what the data means. >> dr. graham, what does it mean? what does the data mean? >> good morning. thank you for having us visit the show. i think the main decision i'd like people to think about is whether to look at the side effects of the infection in comparison to the side effects of the vaccine. this is not a trivial infection in young children. it causes a lot of disease. even though most get over this infection, there's been 700 deaths in children 18 years of
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age which is 3,000 more than the influenza pandemic. we don't hesitate to immunize our children for influenza. . >> people have concerns about myocarditis. and inflammation of the lining of the heart. but what's one of the major side effects potentially from getting covid for children, dr. graham? >> yes. as i mentioned, there's been a lot of death, but there's also been a lot of hospitalization and a lot of things that we don't entirely understand, the empty systemen tphrapl tore disease has affected a lot of children. we don't know whether it will affect lung development, whether it's going to cause other neurological problems over time. and so i think it's something that we know there are side effects with the infection. and i think that's the thing people need to really pay
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attention to. >> what would you tell parents who are a little nervous, who are saying we want to wait and see? what's the sales pitch that it might be a good idea to go ahead and do this? . >> really back to the side effects. for example, myocarditis wafr covid in children is more severe and more long lasting. and to a greater quantity, following the virus as compared to getting the vaccine. so while it does look stark when you look at these data and you say it might cause myocarditis. remember if your child comes in contact with the virus that causes covid-19, they have the chance of getting myocarditis at a greater extent than the vaccine. over archingly, what i tell parents you are assessing the situation do i prefer they be protected from the vaccine, do i prefer their immune response
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have soldiers anti bodies ready to fight off this virus or not. that is the real question. . >> you guys, we just learned, are being awarded the sammy, which has been described as the oscars for government workers. and i assume the outfits are just as flashy and exotic for the sammys as they are for the oscars. congratulations, first of all, on this esteemed award. doctor, what does it mean to be recognized for this work you've done? >> well, first of all, it's been a real privilege for me to be able to work in this system that gives you the freedom to develop solutions for unmet medical needs. so the work we have been able to do and the basic research that's been done this last seven years allowed us to go so fast on the vaccine development. and being in a system like the intramural nih system has been a
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real privilege for me. so getting awarded and being recognized for this work is a special honor. kizzmekia, you spent a lot of time working on this and really changed a lot of lives. >> i feel the same sentiment as dr. graham. particularly for me i have been in public service since i was 19 on and off working at the national institutes of health. at the end of about june, i transitioned to start my own lab at harvard. so it really is the icing on the cake really around all the work we have done over all of these years. and it's always an honor to be honored beside my mentor and now my good friend, dr. graham. . >> professor corbett and dr. graham, congratulations on this well-deserved honor >> thank you. >> thank you. a 2024 audition tape is what our next guest says was being
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for the very first time executives from some of the largest fossil fuel companies are set to face questioning from congress about their role in the were climate crisis and if they put profits ahead of a potential solution. rene marsh is following this live for us. she has more on capitol hill. renee. >> reporter: good morning, brianna. you know, we have never seen this before, this sort of political scrutiny that the heads of these big oil companies will be facing today surrounding this particular issue of climate change and their role in climate change. but in just a matter of hours,
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we're going to hear lawmakers grilling these ceos of these very large companies about evidence they say seems to suggest a coverup. increased floods and flames. scientists linked to climate change caused death and destruction nationwide. but the fossil fuel industry has misled the energy sector's role for decades. in one leaked 1998 memo, this one from the oil industry's most powerful lobby, the american petroleum institute, it lays out a multimillion dollar communications plan for the institute. it says victory will be achieved when average citizens understand uncertainties in climate science. . >> they spent billions of dollars lobbying or trying to stop any meaningful change in congress, which they were had he successful at doing. and really putting out false
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information very similar to the tobacco companies. >> reporter: in this 1978 internal memorial, exxon scientist wrote present thinking holds that man has a window of 5 to 10 years before the need for hard decisions regarding changes in energy strategies might become critical. despite the warning, more than two decades later, exxon took out this full "new york times" ad called unsettled science which argued little is known about the effect of climate change, positive or negative. documents also show the energy industry heavily funded contrarian scientists, like willy soon and scientists like this. >> too much ice is really bad for polar bears. >> reporter: more recently, it was caught on secret recording admitting the company used shadow groups to fight early
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climate science efforts. >> there is nothing illegal about that. >> reporter: darren woods responded to the footage by saying the comments, quote, in no way represent the company's position on climate policy and its commitment to carbon pricing. . >> this is a labyrinth of people and money connecting companies, think tanks, pr firms, all feeding into an echo channeler about of blogs and politicians. >> reporter: the fossil fuel messaging evolved to include social media targeting americans paved on their demographics and interests. >> we know there is an urgent need to tackle climate change. >> reporter: some users could see ads similar to this one from shell that touts their net zero plan by 2050 and this one from bp promoting methane regulation. the american petroleum institute funded in part by shell and bp
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uses facebook's advertising to target conservatives in key states such as arizona, with anti-climate policy ads, according to influence map, a non-profit, independent think tank a that has analyzed corporate spending in facebook ads. >> so this sort of speaking out of both sides of their mouths is an ongoing means by which fossil fuel companies divide the politics and emphasize global warming. >> reporter: they say they have recognized climate change since the late '90s and have been advocating for policies to curb emissions. and that's a lot of what we're expecting to hear from these companies today, that they stand behind this idea of climate change and they want to be a part of a solution. but, brianna, i can tell you that the lawmakers, especially the head of this house oversight committee are coming prepared with the so-called receipts to
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show they actually believe the companies are saying one thing and to go another behind closed doors. brianna. >> it will be a tough sell for the companies. renee, thank you so much. it's great to see you. >> reporter: thanks. the storm-battered northeast is bracing for another potential soaking. let's get right to meteorologist chad myers. chad, what are you doing to us? >> john, not as much wind this time. still 400,000 customers without power. that could be a million people. and the rain is coming again for tomorrow and into the weekend. this weather brought to you by servpro. making fire and water damage like it never even happened. so let's get to it. wind in the plains, wind in the south. 40 to 60 miles per hour here. up the coast, we will see the potential for some severe weather. could be wind damage with thunderstorms with the front itself. the rain in the ohio valley friday and the northeast in places that certainly don't need
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more rain. two to four inches in the higher elevations vermont to virginia. flash flood watch in effect probably for the rest of this area on friday. certainly the threat is there, john. . >> all right, chad. we're ready. thank you very much for that. all right. breaking news. just moments from now, president biden is set to arrive on capitol hill to present what the white house is now calling a new framework for the deal on his social agenda. will this be enough to get it over the finish line before he leaves for europe? we are hearing some skepticism in the last few minutes from some progressives. and u.s. military calling on the private sector for help amid a growing wave in national security threats.
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attorney general merrick garland defending a justice department memo that reports a disturbing spike in threats of violence against school employees and board members. >> it responds to concerns about violence, threats of violence, other criminal conduct. that's all it's about and all it asks is for federal law enforcement to consult with, meet with local law enforcement to assess the circumstances, strategize about what may or may not be necessary to provide federal assistance, if it is necessary. >> now, to be clear here, this doj memo makes zero reference to
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domestic terrorism. republicans are accusing the doj of treating parents like domestic terrorists for protesting school covid restrictions and teachings about racial history in america. >> this is a memo to the federal bureau of investigations saying go investigate parents as domestic terrorists. >> it is wrong. it is unprecedented to my knowledge in the history of this country and i call on you to resign. >> thank you god you're not on the supreme court. you should resign in disgrace, judge. >> joining us to discuss this and more, cnn political commentator and the host of "smerconish" on cnn, michael smerconish. we should be clear, there was a letter from the school board association that went to the biden administration looking are for help because clearly school boards have been suffering a lot of violent threats and tumult. but that was not what this merrick garland letter, this doj letter said. what do you think about how this
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all went down? >> i felt sorry for merrick garland yesterday. he reminded me of good people who step forward and are willing to serve as school board members and then are brow beaten or worse by parents who show up at meetings and are uncivil. that's exactly the way those senators reacted yesterday to merrick garland and as you well point out, the memo about which theoretically they were cross-examining him made no such reference. i watched senator blackburn by way of example say this memo was over the top, really? the memo expressly says while spirited debate about policy matters is protected under our constitution, the protection does not extend to threats of violence. who wouldn't want an attorney general of the united states underscoring that exact point? look, this was a sizzle reel for several of those participants yesterday for 2024 should donald trump not run for president. it was pure theater.
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>> what do you think of the way the attorney general handled it? >> too much of a gentleman, frankly. i think that it demanded a little more forceful of a reaction. he should have said are you blanking me? have you even read the memo that i issued? and if so, senator, would you kindly tell me what line in it you find objectionable? because there is no response for that. but, john, here's the problem. the problem is that 50% of the country is going to walk away from this exercise because we know where they get their news, convinced that merrick garland did say that these parents are domestic terrorists. listen, i'm most concerned about who will step forward and for little or zero pay want to be on the school board. and what i'm most worried about is that the people who step forward and fill that void are the type of cooks who come out of the meetings and make threatening comments. don't misunderstand what i'm saying. i'm for spirited debate, as you
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can tell also, but the people who go out and threaten school board members, they're the ones who will probably end up running for the school board and that should worry all of us. >> we had school board members on who have said i had to resign, i was worried about the safety of my children, people -- someone came into my garage, you know. they're very concerned. they're concerned for their personal safety. i do wonder, you know, if merrick garland had been -- just to play devil's advocate here, if he had been forceful, does that play into this? is that exactly what a ted cruz or a josh hawley wants? >> you're probably right. he doesn't seem to have the temperament for it. i've got a short fuse. i watched and i said to myself, if i were in that position yesterday, i wouldn't have sat and taken it, but, you know, he's probably the better man. >> you've got a short fuse. you're one of the most patient people i know, michael smerconish. >> not true. not true. >> you are willing to listen.
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you list sonen so well to so ma different points of view. you're right, merrick garland might be living in a different world than the 2021 world. it is hard to know. >> he's used to -- he's used to wearing a robe. i guess the part that was so upsetting to me is that i have read in on this. i know about this school board association and their language and how they backed off. i just thought that yesterday was a very vivid example of the manipulation of what goes on the national stage to the detriment of people who don't have time to pay attention and to read in the way that we do. because anyone who has read in on this issue, i think will fully recognize that the attorney general was doing the right thing and saying, hey, these school board meetings are out of control and somebody is going to get hurt. and i'm going to use the power of my office to begin a dialogue and have a partnership to try and protect people who are willing to be local public servants. that is not the way it was transmitted to half the country
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yesterday and what a shame that is. >> explain that to us. explain it to our viewers. you do have this letter from the national school board association and they did back off of some language and i wonder what you think about how they handled that. >> i don't think it is proper to call the parents domestic terrorists. i need to make that very, very clear. but merrick garland didn't say that. and in the very subject line of this memo, he speaks of the need for a partnership between doj, the u.s. attorney's office, the fbi, et cetera, et cetera, in trying to lend some sense of protection to the climate. do we really need to wait for some school board member to have harm done to them before we then wake up and say, my god, why didn't we act sooner in this particular case? so, garland is on the side of right. and, brianna, you referenced having interviewed school board members. i had a wonderful public k through 12 education. and in my school district, the community in which i was born and raised, they recently had a
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school board meeting, it was so large, they had to put it in my high school auditorium, not the normal venue, after a meeting on masks, one of the school board members resigned after being given a police escort and said i can no longer take the threats to my life. guess what, it pays zero to be on the school district where i was born and raised and educated. so that's the precise example of what i'm thinking about. that poor guy who for all the right reasons wanted to serve and now he's out of the community, and, you know, god help us in terms of who will be his replacement. >> yeah, one of many. michael smerconish, great to see you this morning. thank you so much. you can catch michael's show saturday at 9:00 a.m. "new day" continues right now. this is cnn breaking news. >> all right, good morning to the viewers here in the united states and around the world. it is thursday, october 28th. i'm john berman alongside brianna keilar

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