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good morning to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. it is thursday, october 28th. i'm john berman alongside brianna keilar. breaking this morning, rescue mission. it's all happening right now or
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not happening, which could be the biggest risk for president biden. what a morning it is for you. in the next few hours, the president will either be declaring victory on a deal for his social agenda or explaining why he couldn't bring democrats together to pass a plan yet. a plan designed to help millions of kids, parents, and students in this country. we don't know which way this is headed. we don't know what's in the plan. we don't know exactly how they will pay for it. we do know the president delayed his entire trip to europe by a few hours so he could race to the capitol this morning in just a few hours to meet with house democrats. he plans to give a speech or statement before he leaves for europe. >> a source says the purpose is to convince progressives to pass the infrastructure bill that they have been holding up as leverage for the social spending plan. and doing that may be harder now that another progressive priority, paid family leave
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appears to have been gutted. this is one more concession to senator joe manchin. in the words of one democratic colleague, people are pissed. last night the chair of the congressional progressive caucus said this about the president's effort on cnn. >> here's the thing. if there isn't a deal, which is what i'm still hearing, that we don't have agreement of senator manchin and senator sinema on a framework, even on a framework, much less on legislative text, then i'm not sure what the president is going to present to us. >> cnn's jeremy diamond is live at the white house. the president very concerned here, jeremy. >> reporter: no doubt about it. with no deal on the table yet, president biden delaying that trip to europe by a few hours. he was slated to leave this morning. instead, he will leave in the early afternoon. only after first heading to capitol hill for one of these last-ditch efforts to try and convince progressives, it appears, to vote for that infrastructure bill. but there is still no framework
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deal even if that were to be enough for progressives. though they are still insisting they want to see both move through the house at the same time. amid all of this, progressives losing out, as you just said, on one of the major priorities with this paid medical and family leave to be scratched altogether because of opposition from senator joe manchin, who explained why here. listen. >> to expand social programs when you have trust funds that aren't solvent, they're going insolvent, i can't explain that. it doesn't make sense to me. i want to work with everyone as long as we can start paying for things. that's all. i can't put this burden on my grandchildren. i have 10 grandchildren. i just can't do it. >> reporter: on that issue of paid family leave, there are a mountain of issues yet to be resolved. everything from medicare drug price negotiations, the question whether they will expand to
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cover dental, vision and hearing. even the revenue sources, how exactly they will pay for this. it is hard to see how they can cobble together a deal. clearly, the white house wants to make a full-court press. we will hear from him in the east room, deal or no deal, given this full-court press at the last minute, they will have to explain to the public exactly what's going on before the president heads abroad. brianna. >> certainly will. jeremy diamond live from the white house, thank you. let's talk about this more with debbie dingell of michigan, co-chair of policy and communications committee. paid family leave, congresswoman, gone from the bill? >> brianna, i think you had a good report about not what's clear what's in and out. i've been hearing for three days it's in. it's out. i know two united states senators who have nothing but
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the utmost respect for are patty morey. i hate these labels by the way. she is working very hard. and senator gillibrand are working hard. they had all night to work. i think one of the challenges is this morning when the president is expected to come to our democratic caucus at 9:00. it is nobody knows. i'm not even sure the speaker knows what's in the bill, what the revenue sources are going to be. it has been in agreement. the revenue will cover all of the new programs. this will not add to the debt. now we need to know what's going to be in the bill. first of all, i want to say everybody wants to call this total chaos.
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people are divided. eer united on our values. we all know failure is not an option. we have to work together, figure it out. what we do get in this bill will make a difference in a lot of people's lives. there have been two senators with way too much control and a house of 435 members, 220 democrats who want to have their say and want to know what's in it and aren't going to vote for something they don't know what's in it. >> will they vote without paid family leave? you heard it in our report. people are pissed. . >> there are things i'm going to keep fighting for. you know, i use medicare for all, universal health care as an example. my father-in-law was the first
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person to introduce it. he spruced it right after he authored social security. it took us 25 years to get medicare. then we got the children's health program. we got the affordable care act. life sometimes goes you keep making progress, moving forward. i believe i'm here that ultimately every american has health care coverage. you take the win and start fighting again the very next day. i don't know what's going to happen on paid leave. we are only one of six countries in the world that doesn't have it. the average paid leave for women globally is 29 weeks. for men i think it's 16. maternity leave is 16 weeks. joe manchin made it clear this isn't going to be in the bill. he said the budget
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reconciliation, where you only need 50 democrats in the senate, the only way you can pass anything right now, this isn't the way to do it. what do you say to that? >> i'm going to keep talking to him. but, you know, there are two secret weapons in the senate working him right now, senator patty murray and kirsten gill gillibrand. joe does respect his colleagues over there. legislation is the art of compromise. that compromise isn't a dirty word. you bring everybody to the table, you listen to the perspectives. you heard will rogers saying. it people with weak stomachs shouldn't walk sausage being made. we're not done. we don't know what's in it. we hear what the president says.
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>> i hear you saying and others saying i don't know what's in it. it is a way to have assuage concerns about paid family leave being gone. it seems like the ship is sailing on this. what does joe manchin need to know? is that a poison pill in the house if it's not in there? >> you all keep making et a poison pill. at some point we have to land this plane. i hope the president will talk to us and tell us what's in there. he needs to talk to more than two senators. 435 of us need to vote on something and we need to know what's in it. it's the vision the president laid out when he ran for president. that's what he told he was going to deliver to the american people. so we need both of these bills. . >> this is a tough one for many
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democrats to take. in a pandemic we have seen sick people in sentivized to go to work. and democrats promised, hey, you're not going to have 12 weeks of maternity leave. you will have four to foot in the door. progressives will need to, if this is not in the bill, they are going to need to suck it up? . >> i'm telling you we need to know what's there. we need to know what the total package is. honestly, fame wrer is not an option. we can't lose all of it. but we don't have to agree to vote on things until we know what's in there. and it's a package that people can support. so you're not going to make a decision on just one thing. we talked about would it does matter. really. to be only one of six countries worldwide that don't offer this. . >> can you vote for it without paid family leave? >> i have not.
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i'm undecided right now because i do not know what's in that bill. i made it very clear that aren't here at this hour. people do need to tell people what's actually in it. i don't know. . >> can it pass without paid family leave in it? >> i think it could. but it depends on what else is in that bill. and he needs to talk to all the members of the caucus. and, if for some reason it isn't in there, and i refuse to give up that it's not in there right now, we will start right back on that. day one after this is done to get that. because it matters to too familiar families across this country. it doesn't matter if you're republican or democrat. 80% of the american people want that piece in this bill. >> congresswoman, look, we know things are a little bit muddy
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this morning. we are looking forward to see what comes out of this meeting, quite frankly, between the president and congressional democrats. thank you so much, congresswoman debbie dingell. >> thank you. the congresswoman speaks her mind. she said she has never seen the sausage making quite this painful, quite this difficult. and it's making her sick to her stomach. that tells you something. people are criticized norfolk using too much on process. she said the process is making her sick to her stomach. . >> and i think there's a lot of anxiety with democrats, a number of democrats looking at what joe manchin is doing. i think this cut is something that cuts more peoplely, hurts a little more and makes it more difficult for them to say, hey, yeah, this is something we're going to champion. >> and i told me at the top, we tkroepb what's going to happen. neither does debbie dingell. what is the president going to show up at capitol hill at 9:00
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going to have. also thorpbgs assistant director of "rust" said he didn't check all the rounds loaded into the gun before handing it to alec baldwin. er hearing from investigators that it was a bullet fired from the gun. as to whether anyone might be held criminally responsible, here's what the district attorney told josh campbell. . >> it's a terrible tragedy. we don't know how the live rounds got there. that will end up being the linchpin for whether a decision is made about charges. >> joining us is criminalologist joey jackson and new york city homicide prosecutor paul callen. how the live rounds in the chamber will be the linchpin to this investigation. why and for whom? for which people involved here? i'm talking about criminal
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culpability. >> tkpwofrpbg. it has to matter. that's significant. apparently there were people month were very concerned with respect to the safety, the lack of protocols being followed. you have guns everywhere with live ammunition, et cetera. people taking shooting practice and other things. your job specifically is to ensure when a gun is used, it is a cold gun. what does that mean? it means it does not have the capability to fire. to the extent that is your job and your responsibility and you don't do it to the left and the reality is as a result of your conduct, the person you just referred to, something happens like a death, then you have to look and evaluate the distinction between civil liability, something that's careless, and whether or not it escalates to the level of criminal they. i'll sum up very quickly a chain
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of custody. who secures the stkpwhupb where does it go from one container to the other. does anyone else have access to it. have you looked and assessed and assured. in the event that you acted in a negligent way, then unfortunately that's a criminal act. that's a law involuntary manslaughter. >> joey, the d.a. talked about criminal culpability in new mexico. listen. >> our standard for involuntary manslaughter, our lowest level of homicide, whether intention al or unintentional, is willful disregard for the safety of others. the key word is willful. that almost equates to a reckless standard which is
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higher than negligence. >> willful disregard. what does that mean, paul, for the person who put the bullet in the chamber and also the person or persons who were supposed to check and make sure it wasn't there? >> well, you know, we heard from the sheriff and the district attorney who the potential people being looked at in terms of a criminal indictment are in this case. of course you have to start with alec baldwin. i don't happen to think he's going to get indicted. the district attorney said something very telling yesterday. she said handling a gun is like dealing with a live snake. you're going to be careful how you carried the snake. baldwin heard it was a cold gun but didn't go beyond that in terms of checking the gun. and he did something else from what we're hearing.
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he feels doing a cross draw, which is reaching down into a holster and coming across, and the gun discharged, killing ms. hutchins. you never point a gun at another human being. that cross draw may have exposed cast members in the entire range of motions. this was a single action revolver from the 1880s. those things can go off accidently sometimes. that's what they will be looking at for baldwin. for halls who passed the gun for him, different standard there. he was on the firearms safety end of things. and it was his job to make sure baldwin was getting a gun with no live ammo. and the armorer becomes the other potential target in the case. the sheriff kept talking about the key to this case is who put live ammunition in the gun?
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and the armor her, she's the person in charge of checking the guns every day, securing the guns, as joey said. and, obviously, that was not done. the standard is did you do something without due carry and sir couple inspection. if you did that, that gets voluntary manslaughter. the question is, will it rise to that level? >> it seems like there are so many layers here where things went wrong. from there being live ammunition on the set to the fact we learned cast members were blinking, they were shooting beer cans, to did the a.d. or the armorer check the gun. does anyone in an oversight role who may be aware there have been
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problems, what responsibility did they have to do something about this? was there a point that is accountability so diffuse there actually isn't any. >> i don't see that. any job that people have, he reasonably rely on uothers to d so. you have to look at the dynamics of who is specifically responsible. no, i don't think the liability is broad basis to everything on the show. should. >> but the question i think is were they running this whole thing on a shoestring. were there enough people devoted to safety on the et is. the armerer is on her second job. she's 24 years old. her dad is one of the famous in hollywood. i think having here name affiliated gave it credibility.
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but he's only 24 years old. it probably, it looks to me like they were understaffed. if they were understaffed, when is responsible for that? rust productions llc is the corporation running the operation. but alec pald win got a producer on this. the idea went back to him and the screen writer. will they say he has some responsibility because of his producer role. >> it is so diffuse. doesn't everyone have responsibility? and i tend to believe they will pinpoint those specifically responsible. the last thing, i think as a result, you outline see the sheriffs investigation. i think they will be on the show. it's on because. investigation as to,000 they should do things better.
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i would not be surprise if there are not ledge shreufb efforts to look at safety on hall going forward throughout the country. so president biden headed to capitol hill to try and save his giant social spending plan. as that's going on, a hugely important economic report due out this morning. we will bring you live. a dangerous and scary moment an audience member asking about killing people over false election fraud claims. and skhaoeupb is issuing i report about tee want. we have an skhexclusive intervi with taiwan's president ahead. '♪ ♪ hands to the sky, all mine and pardon when i shine ♪ ♪ hands to the sky, all mine ♪ ♪ woah, woah no ceiling woah woah good feeling woah woah ♪
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written by the former president trump that is riddled with falsehoods and baseless conspiracy thaoeories about the 2020 legislation. maggie, a very smart person told me a while ago this letter that contains things all fact-checked by "the wall street journal" itself, yet the journal publishes this letter from trump which canes all kinds of wild things there. this is to me the mainstreaming, inch by inch, the president getting his lies. >> with an exception of fox, he is relegated to oan. he found a way by writing a letter to the editor to get it into the president. some say it seems desperate.
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he doesn't care. he got it into tweet. these talking about it. "the wall street journal" reporters have fact checked and talked about the fact they are not true and are being run in the way an average reader stuff wrote in, he couldn't get this stuff. but trump is able and always has been to use news processes against news outlets. >> he doesn't have shame about it. it's effective and gets out there for people. >> yeah. we're talking about it, right? it was talked about on twitter all day yesterday. and this is not true. but people will still hear the details of his false claims. i don't think this got enough attention during his presidency and the campaign. one of his methods is repetition. he knows he's doing it.
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and he will say the same thing over and over and over again because he knows that at a certain point it does sink in. yes, there is a desire to treat him as if he literally has no idea what he is doing. he often does know what he is doing. >> repetition is incredibly effective of time. john eastman, the lawyer behind the scenes who drafted a blueprint on the insurrection. i want to play what he said in the video. >> all of your legal reasoning is totally solid. >> oh, yeah. there's no question. >> i mean like, you know, just supporting why do you think that mike pence didn't do it? . >> because mike pence is an establishment guy at the end of the day.
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all the establish republicans in d.c. bought into this very biopic view that trump was destroying the republican party. what trump was doing is reviving the republican party in the hinterland. . >> this is an activist who posed as a reporter to get eastman to react. >> there is a separate issue about getting people to talk on tape. what he said here is very different than what he said to the national review. based on those comments he is explaining why mike pence wouldn't go along with a plan that elsewhere he said he wasn't seriously opposing. poet peril" the book detailed a
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lot of this. eastman and people around trump tried suggesting we're not really saying overturn it. we're saying you can send it back to the states. that was their second plan. the first plan was overturn it. that wasn't going to work. there were not alternate slates of electors. eastman offered various explanations at this point. that's what makes the memo more important. >> an alarming moment that i wanted to get your perspective on. this was an idaho event, asking a right-wing activist charlie kirk a particular question. let's listen. >> we're living under corporate and medical fascism. this is tyranny. when do we get to use the guns? no, that's not a joke. i mean, literally, where is the line? how many elections are they
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going to steal before we kill these people? >> no. hold on. stop. hold on. now i'm going to denounce that and tell you why. because you are playing into all your plans. they are trying to make you do this. we have a very fragile balance right now in our current time where we must exhaust every peaceful mean possible. >> i don't know if the question is more alarming of his response. i'm going to stop you because you're playing into his plans, his shifting of responsibility. >> look, he did condemn the guy. i don't think that should actually be ignored. that is important. there hasn't been that kind of thing the last five years. the playing into their hands piece. this is often a tactic at this point to say this other person is making you do it. this is why we shouldn't do it. or this other person is going to benefit. the question is alarming. the question is a reminder that one of the problems with the discourse that the former president was heavily involved
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in is that people respond to things that you say when you are a president and when you demonize opponents. when you talk this way, it doesn't matter what charlie kirk says about quote-unquote the other side. you have to take accountability for our own words. january 6th was a direct product of what the former president was saying about the election. and this kind of statement, you know, has a tie-in to it. you know, it is a statement about where we are in this country where threats of violence have becomen increasingly mainstreamed. and that directly back to the 2016 campaign. >> look, we can't say it won't happen. january 6th did happen >> that's right. look, any statement about when can we use the guns is a terrifying statement. you know, so i think it is good that charlie kirk said i'm going to denounce that. i hope more people will say something like that. . >> thank you, maggie. great to see you this morning. so we have new poll numbers
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just into cnn, a brand-new survey shows the majority of parents do not plan to immediately vaccinate their kids against the coronavirus. they plan to wait and see how it is working out for others. we have cnn's elizabeth cohen joining us now on that. that is a lot of people, 70%, elizabeth. we should obviously say this hasn't fully gone through the approval process for an
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emergency use authorization. >> reporter: that's right, brianna. but if all goes as we think it will, it is possible, according to dr. anthony fauci, children ages 5 to 11, could be giving shots in arms next week or the week after. let's talk about why that is so important. it is important not just to protect children. children do not covid. you can't always predict who that child is going to be. why would you want to roll the dice with your own child. brianna, you're a mom. you know how germy children are. even if they're asymptomatic, they could get their gabby petitos sick. and they could get sick or even die. why in the world would you want to do that. that's why it is so important. let's look at the reports from
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kaiser. just 27% said they would get their child vaccinate right away. 30% said definitely no. take a look at the last line. this is where health communicators need to focus in. 66% said they were somewhat or very concerned about the effect that the shot might have on their child's fertility. let's you call that concern what it is. it is facebook garbage. i am all in favor of being an empowered patient. i actually wrote a book called "the empowered patient." i have talked about all the things we had done with our daughters when they were young. we disagreed with doctors right and left. that fertility concern is 100% false. let me show you what's true. this is true. since the beginning of the outbreak, 765 children have died from covid-19. more than 66,000 children have
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been hospitalized just since august 1st. and even after children recover from covid-19, they often suffer fatigue, respiratory problems and brain fog sometimes for months. so i would say to parents, why in the world do you want to roll the dice? why would you want to believe facebook garbage and put your child at risk for dying or ending you in the hospital or having brain fog or respiratory problems for months. i can't expect a parent to do that. >> you have to do the right kind of research. not the facebook garbage. >> right. >> it is true. this get repeated enough. there are things people care about so much they end up believing crap quite frankly. and there is new information about the public perception of vaccine mandates. >> reporter: that's right. it's interesting.
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mandates, the biden administration is really trying to use mandates as a way to increase vaccination rates. let's take a look at what happened when kaiser asked unvaccinated workers what they would do if their employer mandated a vaccine. 72% said they would leave their jobs. 17% said they would get the vaccine. that's just people talking on the phone to someone calling with a poll. with there being such labor shortages, i'm sure employees might be looking at this. should we do mandates if it means we might lose employees. . >> thank you so much. cnn has new reporting this morning on other concerns about the vaccine rollout for children. this has nothing to do with the kids specifically. but with the safety of public health officials across the country. cnn health reporter jacqueline
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howard joins us no. these public health officials are concerned for their safety. >> that's right, john. i spoke with city and county health officials. she said any time there a new covid-19 mitigation measure introduced, whether masks or vaccines, public health officers tend to see a spike or increase in the harassment and threats they receive. the nation right knenow is facia new measure for kids. have a listen. >> the rollout of the pediatric vaccine is another critical turning point. and we anticipate there will be people who rye to get health care and their messaging to the rollout of this heatest measure. we are so concerned as this pandemic goes on, these threats, intimidation, harassment really
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are advancing in some case and becoming more dangerous. >> reporter: is this threat becoming more dangerous? this other poverty law center tells cnn they have pwtsed some of the threats made could be coming from members of far-right, timist groups. . >> people traog to do their job and save lives. the idea that they feel threatened. much we have live pictures of capitol hill. there's a lot going on this morning. president biden is headed there very shortly to speak to house democrats. and there are some seens perhaps that he may be coming with something, something he hopes can got his domestic agenda before he aheads overseas. . >> what is up with queen
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new questions this morning about queen elizabeth's health after buckingham palace announced she will not attend next week's climate summit in scotland. this is coming after a recent hospital stay. cnn's max foster is live for us in london. max, what is the latest here? >> reporter: brianna, the queen has been effectively been ordered to stay home by her doctors. she's been unable to attend several key events. that has raised obvious concerns. concerns about the queen's health were raised earlier this month when she arrived at an engagement with a walking stick or cane, which is rare to see in public. the last time we saw her in person at an event was last
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tuesday, meeting business leaders at windsor castle. she looked well. but the next day she canceled a visit to northern ireland on advice of her doctors. the palace insisted she was in good spirits. and separately we were told she would be resting for a few takes at windsor castle. the next day, however, a british tabloid revealed that not to be true. the palace was forced to confirm she had in fact, spent the night in hospital for some preliminary investigations. we haven't been told what the investigations were for. the queen has continued light duties this week, virtual engagements from her desk at windsor. but then another announcement this week that she had regretfully decided she will no longer travel to glasgow. she will send a video message
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instead. >> we will see the queen doing more zoom calls, less in-person meetings. but i think as soon as the winter is over, she will be keen to get back on her feet, back out meeting people. sit whether or not the doctors are going to agree with it. >> reporter: a cnn analysis shows the queen traveled at least 1,000 kilometers or 620 miles this month, even before she canceled her trips to northern ireland and scotland. prince charles will now step up for her at cop 26, something he is increasingly having to do. though there is no suggestion from anyone in royal circles that the queen would ever give up her role completely. . >> i'm told the queen reluctantly tooing this advice to stay home, brianna. she desperately wants to carry on working. no one really tells her what to do. but the doctors are one person who can tell her what to do. telling her to slow down at the
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age of 95. >> she is a very active 95. there are limits. she keeps such a crazy schedule at times. thank you, max. rising tension between the u.s. and china as beijing is warning the biden administration over taiwan. plus, investigators say now it was a live round fired from the gun alec baldwin was given that killed the cinematographer on the set of "rust." and the assistant director is facing new scrutiny. we're live in santa fe ahead.
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developing overnight, china is calling for calls for taiwan to have a meaningful role at the united nations. in the meantime, other major news involving taiwan. in an exclusive interview with will ripley, taiwan's president confirmed for the first time that u.s. military trainers are deployed in the country. the president at a cnn townhall last week promised to come to taiwan's defense if china attacked. >> you are saying the united states would come to taiwan's defense? . >> yes, we have a commitment to do that. . >> will ripley joins us live
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from taipei. you have a ton of news based off your interview. what have you got? >> reporter: well, president biden's remark, john, raised a lot of eyebrows here. for decades they had this strategic ambiguity. having president biden saying, yes, the u.s. has a commitment to do that, even though they later walked back remarks, i wanted to ask the president what she thought president biden was saying. . >> people have different interpretations of what president biden has said. >> do you have faith that the united states would defend taiwan if the mainland were to try to move on taiwan? >> i do have faith given the long-term relationship we have with the u.s. >> does that support include
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sending some u.s. service members to help train taiwanese troops? . >> well, yes. we have a wide raining of corporations with the u.s. entering at increasing our defense capability. . >> how many u.s. service members are deployed in taiwan right now? >> not as many as people thought. >> reporter: we looked up the defense department statistics. the numbers have increased from 10 to 32. a small number. but we don't know what role they're playing here. are they just defending the defacto embassy, are they training taiwan troops? the first taiwanese to say u.s. trainers are on the ground here in taiwan for more than 40
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careers. that has made a lot of ripples, including in beijing, where they say they are not preventing separating the island from the mainland. they claim it since the end of china's civil war. china saying they will not rule out using force to prevent the separation from the mainland. . >> will ripley, terrific interview. we are hearing language now we have not heard from all different sides regarding taiwan. this is hugely significant. thank you so much for your reporting on this. all right. we do have breaking news. we are now hearing what president biden will present to democrats just a short time from now. there are new details coming in. and high hopes from the white house. stand by for news. (sfx: video game vehicle noises, horns beeping,) (engines revving, cars hitting one another.) (sfx: continued vehicle calamity.)
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the price of diversifying the workforce takes new meaning in north carolina after a man won a $10 million lawsuit after a white male was fired and replaced by two women in a diversity effort. diane, tell us about this case. >> reporter: so basically a former top hospital executive was awarded by a charlotte federal jury $10 million after he claimed in a lawsuit he was fired because he was a white man. david duval was a senior vice president of marketing communications at novant health until he was fired in 2018. and he said it's because of the
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company's efforts to diversify top leadership positions. he said he received no warning or any sort of explanation for his firing and was replaced by two women. a white woman and a black woman. according to court documents, novant said he lacked leadership skills and often delegated many of the tasks to one of the women who replaced him. now, the jury found otherwise, determining they thought his race and gender were motivating factors in his firing. in a statement from his attorney, they said, quote, we believe the punitive damages award was a message that an employer cannot terminate and replace employees simply based on their race or gender in order to achieve target for greater diversity in the workforce. it is plainly unlawful and harmful and that was obvious to the jury.


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