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so here is the breaking news at this hour. a source telling cnn that president joe biden will attend the house democratic caucus meeting on capitol hill in the morning delaying his departure in europe to twist the arms to. in another development, paid family and medical leave may be out of the social safety net bill. it's a key corner stone of president biden's agenda, and a favorite of progressives but senator joe manchin appears to be determined to block it.
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also tonight, santa fay county sheriff saying that the gun used by alec baldwin in the fatal shooting on the set of "rust" discharged a live round. a lot to discuss. let's get straight to washington, cnn's john harwood. charlie dent as well. both men are in d.c. good to see both of you. president biden is hours away from the critical foreign trip that he is heading out on. he's been pushing to get these bills over the finish line before he leaves. democrats still seem deeply divided. what do you know about the negotiations? where do they stand at this hour? >> it's a huge mess, don. this is an extremely chaotic end to this long negotiation where there are so many elements included in this package, and there's been an extended debate over a couple of weeks over whether you throw out a bunch of elements entirely and have a few
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well-funded priorities or whether you trim back the funding for a bunch of things and try to get them started and see if you can build public support for them. the challenge is that democrats are trying to do this with the narrowest of congressional majorities, zero margin for error in the senate. very small margin for error in the house. usually you count on in a situation like this people recognizing that politics, partisan politics is a team game and that people will ultimately come together behind the shared interests of their team and their president. but in this case, you've got a couple of senators in joe manchin, and kyrsten sinema who are extremely intoxicated with their individual power to hold up particular elements and that is creating this herky-jerky mess at the end where sinema, for example, says even though there's no economic reason to do it i don't want to raise the individual or corporate tax late, so let's do some other
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kind of way of taxing wealthy people. they come up with a billionaire's tax. joe manchin says i don't like the billionaire's tax, the house didn't like it either. it was not a well cooked plan so to speak, and you get that kind of disorganization in this situation and it's not pretty. >> our colleague manu raju spoke with senator joe manchin earlier about paid family leave. take a listen to this. >> reporter: paid family leave, are you still talking to senator gillibrand. >> i'm talking to everybody, but to expand social programs when you have trust programs going insolvent, i can't explain that. it doesn't make sense. i want to work with everyone as long as we can start paying things. i can't put this burden on my grandchildren, i've got 10 grandchildren, and i just can't do it. >> this is a huge priority for the president. what's the white house saying about this tonight, john? >> they're accepting that that
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is going to go out. they want anything that can get a deal, but the challenge of manchin's position, he's saying, w well, we can't do things that we can't pay for, but opposes means to pay for them. for example, he is challenging provisions of an effort by the democrats to beef up the irs, and change regulations so that they can get a greater ability to collect taxes that aren't now being paid, and joe manchin says some of the reporting requirements that banks would have to do are intrusive, you say things have to be paid for but oppose the way to pay for them, and that's why we have gotten into this situation. they may end up getting a deal but it is going to be a least common denominator deal. >> president biden is going to meet with house democrats in the morning at this point. do you think there's anything that he can say or do to get the party to come together, pass this infrastructure bill tomorrow? >> oh, the infrastructure bill,
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they can pass that tomorrow. they should have pass that had august. the bigger problem is what john talked about, the reconciliation bill, the build back better. what'ses top number, 1.75 trillion. what's in the bill, what's not in the bill. those are key questions. you can't write a bill until you know the answers to those. right now, i think it's long past time they pass this infrastructure bill. if they would have done it in august, they probably would have had several dozen republican votes, now they'll be lucky to get ten because they have tied the two bills together, infrastructure and reconciliation. it's a hot mess. i doubt anything is going to be accomplished on reconciliation, hopefully they'll vote on infrastructure tomorrow. >> president biden ran as a candidate that knew how to make deals in washington, could get things done. bipartisan shim, bipartisanship, what is the damage to biden's presidency if he can't ultimately get his agenda over
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the finish line. >> i think it's significant but the president himself, he's the one who i'm told he's the one who encouraged them to delay a vote on the infrastructure bill. they had a bipartisan agreement in august, why they didn't pocket the win when they had it is beyond me. why would he not take the win. now hopefully they're going to take it tomorrow. they'll get a lot of credit for that, and that by itself is a significant achievement. on the other hand, you know, i think they really haven't thought through this reconciliation package. it is much bigger and, it is, i think, it exceeds the mandate that joe biden and the democrats had from the 2020 election. >> thank you, gentlemen, john, did you want to add something before i run to the next guest or you're good? >> i think it is a big challenge for president biden to convince the house caucus to pass that infrastructure bill tomorrow. they think it's worth doing before he goes overseas to have that accomplishment but it's certainly a risk that the white
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house is taking and it's not at all clear that that risk is going to pay off. >> see you both soon. thank you very much, appreciate it. americans are projected to pay 30% more on heating this winter if they use natural gas, and costs will go higher fif its a cold winter. kyerisdall is here. you make things so plain. you don't get stuck in the weeds: you make it plain for everyone, and that's very important. welcome pack, natural gas prices, plus aaa has today's gas on $3.30 per gallon, up over a dollar from this time last year. what's your forecast, you know, is this going to hit americans really hard? >> oh, yeah, of course it is. let's look at natural gas, the
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thing you started with, up 5.6% just today. 12% on monday, it's just, people are going to have to heat their homes. it's going to be more expensive. of course they're going to feel it. gas, look, this is the classic thing driving inflation, $3.39 today, $2.10 a year ago. we're not going back anytime soon. inflation is going to be sticky. >> listen, i put in two fireplaces, and this is really expensive, but guess what, i'm happy i put those fireplaces in. wood burning. listen, the treasury secretary, janet yellen told cnn over the weekend that u.s. inflation levels are not expected to decrease to acceptable levels until the latter part of 2022. in plain terms as you always do, say it, does that mean prices stay high across the board on all types of goods until then? >> all types, i don't know. let's just say broad-based inflation is going to be a real thing. depends on what you're looking
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at. let's back up for a second, and think about what treasury secretary yellen and fed chair jay powell were saying in april and may when inflation started going up. they said it's going to be transitory, which to the consumer's mind, it's going to go up and go back down. on friday, powell said, you know what, our supply side challenges are worse than we thought, inflation is going to stick around for a while. two things, number one, supply side challenges are we can't get things in through the ports, we don't have enough of what american consumers want to buy. that's problem number one. problem number two, i would bet you cash money that jay powell and janet yellen would pick a different word than transitory. it doesn't mean inflation goes up and down. it means the prices go up and then they stay there but the ral rate of inflation calms down. instead of 5%, it might be 3% or 2%, closer to the national average but we're not going to see prices from a year ago
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coming back in this economy. nobody should expect that. >> let's talk about some of the things i spoke with my last guests about, what's happening in washington. so this proposed billionaire's tax to pay for the president's spending bill, the proposal would tax billionaires on the gain in value of certain alteassets every year instead of when those assets are sold. could this raise enough to pay for biden's agenda? >> it can't. the president wants to spend $1.9 trillion, progressives want to spend 3.5 but we know it's not going to get there. even if you tax the 700 people, to which the new tax would apply, it would be a quarter of a trillion dollars, which is not enough money to get done what the president wants to do. that's problem number one. problem number two is, and we're seeing with this, they're talking about a corporate minimum tax of 15%, something we have never done before, a ball narrow's tax we have never done before. they're trying to rewrite the
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tax code on the fly because they're having problems within their own tax code. it's going to be challenging for the president to get this done. i don't care how much time he spends on the hill tomorrow. >> as you said, 700 people and it would include those with more than $1 billion in assets or $100 million of reported income. >> three years in a row. >> yeah, three consecutive years. so look, billionaires, they've got a lot of tax loops, right, is that right? >> yeah, but even though it may not be the right solution, where t are they looking in the right direction? >> ilittle bit like bank robber. that's where they think the money is and billionaires have a lot of money but unless you're going to tax elon musk at 100%, you're not going to get as much money as you need. you could tax all of elon musk's income at 100%, and you wouldn't
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get what you need. there have to be different ways to do it. it's a sign of desperation in the democratic party that they are throwing out taxes as the deals start to fall apart. >> what do they do? >> i don't know. well, look, i'll quote joe manchin, you want more progressive policies, elect more progressives. >> there you go. that's a selection. loopholes, that's what i was looking for. loops, loopholes. we got it, it was shorthand, it was a contraction. thank you very much, i appreciate it. >> you bet: talk to you soon. new developments in the investigation of the fatal shooting on the set of alec baldwin's new movie. we're live in santa fe. that's next. rz . the recovered projectile is the live record in the revolver by mr. baldwin, we have recovered what we believe to be
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so more developing news, there's new developments in the fatal shooting of cinematographer halyna hutchins on alec baldwin's movie set. the gun used by baldwin discharged a live round. how live rounds got loaded into a weapon will be a factor in determining possible criminal charges. that is according to the district attorney. she spoke tonight to cnn's josh campbell, and josh joins me now. good evening, josh, i appreciate it. let's dig into this investigation now. what evidence have they collected so far? >> well, the key piece of evidence that we learned about today, don, was a lead
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projectile fired from that gun by alec baldwin, the sheriff says struck halyna hutchin, and into the movie set's director, lodged into his shoulder. that leading investigators to determine that that was indeed a live round, an active firearm. of course that was the big question we had, what type of projectile, the sheriff saying that was an active live round of ammunition, raising the question how such a live round made its way on to the set of a movie. i asked the sheriff that question today, he said that remains under investigation. other pieces of evidence we're learning about, three pistols and over 500 rounds of ammunition, being sent to the fbi laboratory for analysis, the key question they want to answer about the cash of ammunition, how much is the inert dummy rounds and how much in the sheriff's words are live ammunition, a big question, don. >> the sheriff is confirming
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they have spoken alec baltd win, the movie's assistant director and the armorer, what are they releasing about those interviews, if any. >> thus far all the witnesses they have interviewed have been in their words cooperative. they do have some additional questioning, but we're learning from court records today, i told you about last night, the assistant director, the person who handed alec baldwin that weapon, according to an interview with detectives in court records, he indicated that he failed to conduct a proper inspection of the firearm, and the ammunition in it before actually handing it to baldwin, which gets to the question of liability, that's something we have been focusing on. who is actually responsible, is it the person that handed the weapon to baldwin, is it baldwin himself, that will be a question from the district attorney. we're learning from that man himself, he failed to properly inspect that weapon for safety purposes. >> you spoke with the santa fe
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district attorney today, this is a big investigation, hundreds of pieces of evidence to go through, lots more people to interview, did she give you any sort of time line? >> you know, she said that this is something unlike anything they have ever seen here in new mexico, but she said that they will be working this as they do other investigations, as methodically, going through each piece of evidence as she tries to render her decision in the prosecution. she's aware of outside pressure, people wanting her to hurry up and render a decision. she's not being moved by the pressure, she's doing this by the books. we're getting indication about what it is that will be the driver in her decision to possibly bring charges. take a listen to what she said. >> and so as of this point, would you say that there's any particular time line on making that decision about charges? >> it's -- no, there's not a time line at this point. i would say weeks to months. i was sort of taught you treat a firearm like a live snake, and so it's a terrible tragedy.
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we don't know how those live rounds got there, and i think that will probably end up being kind of the lynch pin for whether a decision is made about charges. >> the lynch pin in her words, how that live ammunition made its way on to the set, that will be a key factor in her determination, don. >> josh campbell, thank you very much. i know it's cold there. go warm up now. appreciate it. >> thanks my friend. we're learning more about the 24-year-old armor who worked on the set of the movie "rust", and some crew members who worked with her previously say she mishandled weapons on a different project. one of those crew members is going to join me next. ♪ dad, why didn't you answer your phone? ♪ your mother loved this park. ♪
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. so the armorer on the set of the movie rust is 24-year-old hannah gutierrez reed, it is the second time she has worked on a film in that capacity. two crew members who worked with her previously on the set of "the old way" accused her of mishandling the project. one of them is stu brumbaugh, thank you for joining us, i rees appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> can you tell us about your experience working with hannah gutierrez-reed, what happened that made you so concerned. >> i have been around firearms my whole life, and when you see
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an armorer walk on the sets with gun belts in armpits and carrying two rifles, and guns pointed back at the crew, and at us, you know, it just kind of raised some red flags right away with me. >> so are you there, can you hear me? >> yeah, i'm here. >> okay. good, so at one point, nicolas cage stormed off the set because of her actions. is that right? is that what you said? >> that's correct. we had a couple of unannounced fires on set, you know, a couple of gunshots on set that weren't announced. there's a protocol on a movie set that people kind of know that takes place, you know, when a gun comes out, there's always an announcement about hot guns being on set, you know, no work happens during that time period, and then when the scene happens, the armorer or the prop master com comes, clear the guns and we continue to work. when a gun goes off on set, it's
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not a good thing without being announced. no one has hearing protection in. nick was walking by and got pretty upset. >> was that the final straw to cause you to request that she be dismissed from her job. >> it happened twice on the set. the second time, i kind of stepped forward and asked her to be removed, and that's when i found out it was her first movie. i think the real question is what was she doing on that movie as a 24-year-old new bee to our business on such an important position on a movie set. you know, i think the real crux of our problem in our industry right now is that, you know, budgets are getting tighter. our, you know, our hours are getting longer, there's more demand for us, and they want to do it with less manpower. we have this 24-year-old girl who's working on a movie set and doesn't have the adequate manpower to help her out. that's why she's carrying so many guns on a movie set. >> we have not heard from her.
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we have not been able to get a response from her. when you worked with her, and you requested that she be removed, did she have a response? >> i don't know if that information ever got back to her. you know, i had spoke to the assistant director to, you know, say, hey, look, you know, we need to find a new armorer who's more experienced. she's in over her head. she's 24 years old, it's her first movie. there's going to be mistakes made, and that happens with my crew with young people i train, mistakes do happen, but i don't think those people should be in those key positions because it's such a dangerous environment, and we have had a lot of problems in the history with film making that people lose their lives over that particular situation. >> yeah. so listen, who do you hold responsible here, stu? >> you know, i didn't work on the -- i wasn't on the film where this tragedy happened.
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a woman lost her life. i truly bloelieve that it could have been prevented and i think that what happened, she got hired because she was inexpensive, and i think it boils down to dollars, and that's really a pandemic in our industry. you know, producers, they would rather a lot of times, and i'm not saying that happened on this fame, and i'm certainly not saying it happened on our film, i'm saying that a lot of times that's what happens in our world, we get hamstringed because they want to save some money on hiring professionals and giving us the adequate manpower, and time to do our jobs safely and efficiently. and that's really what's going on. can i solely place the blame on anyone? no. but i think if there were live rounds brought to set, real working ammunition brought to set, i think there's some problems there because those two worlds should never mix. >> stu, thank you, i appreciate
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hearing from you and your perspective. >> thank you. >> we reached out to hannah gutierrez, she's welcome to come on the show and defend herself, give her side of the story and say her piece anytime. so it is the latest culture war and the attorney general being forced to weigh n defending the justice's vow to protect educators from aeducand violence.
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attorney general merrick garland under fire today from all sides in testimony before the senate judiciary committee. republicans are outraged over a memo to address threats to school boards, there is bipartisan outrage over the doj's handling of the larry nassar probe, and all eyes on the justice department whether they weigh to prosecute steve bannon for contempt of congress. joining me to break all of this down is our legal analyst elliot williams. you have your work cut out for you. >> let's do it. >> garland took a ton of heat for the memo in the wake of rising violence at school board meetings acrosses country. take a listen to the exchange between ted cruz, aj garland, and tom cotton. >> you did no independent research on what was happening, did you? >> the memo has nothing to do with -- >> did crow do independent research?
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>>. >> the memo has nothing to do with partisan politics. >> i'm asking you a question now, who brought this to you. >> you asked me a question. may i answer the question. why speed, the answer is when we get reports of violence and threats of violence we need to act swiftly. i would have hated to have gotten the letter and acts of violence occur in the interim. assesses the circumstances, that's all there is here, and we can't wait until somebody dies. that's why we did this. >> not everything is what it seems here. >> no. >> correct? is it theater, what is going on? s >> it is literally all thooelt. the republicans on the committee fabricated a narrative for political purposes. i have the memorandum, it's 292 words. this is the title of memorandum. it literally says to address threats against school administrators, board members, te teachers and staff.
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it is about threats, not about speech. this is a sentence, while spirited debate about policy matters is protected under the constitution, that protection does not extend to threats of violence or efforts to intimidate individuals based on their views. this memorandum is targeted at violence, the sort of spate of violence that's coming to school boards across the country. they have somehow twisted this into thinking that merrick garland is now making this about targeting free speech or parents who want to speak up about what's happening in the schools. it's simply not true. >> it's interesting, i was watching anderson earlier, and they did keeping him honest, and this is all made up. but shouldn't merrick garland be stronger in defense of the memorandum and in explaining that it isn't anything like what thence. >> yeah, and i think he can double down and defend the memorandum. here's where if you literally type into google the words school board violence, right,
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here are some of the things that come up, number one, pensberry, pennsylvania, close to where i grew up, school board president details violent threats against board members. sarasota, florida, school board meeting turns violent in minnesota. it's around the country. it may not be an epidemic, but it's clearly happening and squarely within the work of the justice department. the attorney general is well within in his right and could have said more forcely, it's my job as the chief law enforcement officer of the united states to ensure this doesn't happen and at least get the fbi to work with state and local officials on this. but, you know, he answered effectively, you're twisting my words, and that's not what i said or wrote. >> let's listen, republican senator john cornyn on this memo. >> mr. attorney general, you're a very intelligent and accomplished lawyer and judge. you can answer the question, did you consider the chilling effect
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that this sort of threat of federal prosecution would have on parents' exercise of their constitutional rights to be involved in their children's education. >> i don't believe it's reasonable to read this memorandum as chilling anyone's rights, it's about threats of violence, and it expressly recognizes the constitutional right to make arguments about your children's education. >> okay. i mean, look, this is the shouting and near violence that we have seen. look at that, at these school board meetings. i mean, the doj memo is not keeping parents from expressing themselves. >> yeah, look, you know, to paraphrase obi-wan kenobi, politics isn't my thing, and i'm not going to get into the political issues here but at the end of the day, there are a number of people on the committee likely running for the presidency in two or three years, and these cultural issues
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are wedge issues and they work and they have managed to take this memorandum, that is purely drafted for a public safety purpose, twist it and make it into a wedge culture issue. this is about race theory, than it is about what it says, which is when people threaten school boards, the federal bureau of investigation and state and local law enforcement ought to work together to fight it. >> the truth doesn't matter anymore. >> no. >> wow. >> thanks, elliot. >> thank you, don. >> appreciate it. i have something very important to tell you about, okay, on tomorrow's show, we are airing my exclusive interview with the jurors from the derrick chauvin murder trial, and i asked them about hearing the gut wrenching testimony in the courtroom, how they came to their decision, and what it was like having to repeatedly watch the video of chauvin kneeling on george floyd's neck. that's tomorrow at 10:00 on don
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lemon tonight, you do not want to miss that. it is fascinating. 23 students arrested in three days, the dads in the community decide to take things into their own hands, the dads on duty join me next. you want to see this. so at&t is giving everyone our best deals on every iphone - including the iphone 13 pro with its amazing camera. like everyone that worked from home. or welcomed a new family member. they were all out of dogs. our deals are for everyone! it's not complicated. at&t is giving new and existing customers our best deals on every iphone, including up to $800 off the epic iphone 13 and iphone 13 pro.
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you can customize your down payment and monthly payment in a matter of minutes for some truly dazzling results. financing has never felt so fabulous. last month at south wood high school in shreveport, louisiana, 23 students were arrested for fighting within only three days, but get this,
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there hasn't been an incident since that happened, and that's because of an unusual intervention by a group of dads. see those gentlemen there on your screen. they call themselves dads on duty, they're about 40 dads who spend time at the school on shifts. joining me now just some o. dads on duty, including michael la fitte, zach johnson, michael morgan sr., tracy harris, i think it's tracy harris, craig lee, and kenny henry jr. did i get everybody right? >> got it right. >> all right. >> kenny, i forgot the kenny wayne jr. kenny, jr., thank you, guys. i appreciate you joining us. i'm so happy that you're here. what you're doing is amazing. you all saw this problem about 23 students being arrested in three days, something had to be done, so how did you -- michael >> we're all active parents on the campus.
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so, after the first fight and then the next day then we had the second fight, i immediately knew this isn't the school we sent our children to, this isn't the community we're raising our babies in. so i reached out to these guys and some other parents. we decided to have a meeting in downtown shreveport. came here, put together a master plan. that plan after about a three-hour meeting did not include coming up to the school. that was the furthest thing on our mind. when we were leaving the meeting these guys here they said how about if we just go to the school every day and just show up? so we kind of balanced it back and forth, back and forth. so i said how about we call it the pops on patrol. no, that's kind of corny, it reminds me of paw patrol. [ laughter ] so at 3:00 in the morning i said how about we call it dads on
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duty? so that message went out about 3:00 in the morning. 7:40 that next day we were at the campus and have not left. >> good for you. >> all right, michael, i'll let somebody else talk. [ laughter ] i'm messing with you. so you decided to go up to the school. michael morgan sr., did you get any resistance from the students? were they, like, hey, what the hell are you all doing here, we don't want you all here. >> we still get it every day. but we're starting to learn that the more we're around, the more they're opening up. a kid spoke to me for the first time today. they didn't receive us well at first. we got some that still don't receive us but they like to see us around. >> i imagine there are some kids there without a father figure. so what does dads on duty there,
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being there, what does it mean to the kids who may not have a father figure or a role model at home? >> it means a big deal because me myself, i came up in a single-parent household. so if you have that special connection, and when you get the right approach, they'll open up to you, they'll tell you what's going on in your personal life. you got kids that come to school, one day they're angry, something fluctuating at home. so when you reach that part with them where they actually listen to you and open up, you've done a big thing, you're all ready because a lot of kids don't respond to people. when they're going through a lot they shut off. say, example, i got one kid, he was happy one day, see him again two days later he's standing in the corner by himself. but since he opened up to me before when he see me he talks to me. might keep him doing something
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that will potentially ruin his life. >> have you seen a change in any of the kids? >> absolutely. for us just being there makes a big difference. being seen male dominance. at first it was kind of shaky. but now when we walk up, good morning, how are you doing? you give them good affirmations for the day. and it helps them a whole lot. it controls their temper because you don't know what happened to them maybe driving to school. they might've got into an argument with a parent or the night before. but just to know we are embracing them in a different manner, it makes all the difference in the world. >> craig, what do you have to say? >> well, they talk about it from the standpoint of the children, but the other flipside are the educators and the administrators, i see a perkiness to them because they
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now see that they have extra reinforcement. and, so, they give us smiles and thumbs up. and so now you have them coming in because just because they were hired as educators, that are don't mean they don't need assistance. and i'm the guy who does not have children at the school. so i'm supporting them because they are the parents. so i play the background role. but the teachers are definitely very pleased. >> look, i think this is something that would be great all over the country. kenny wayne, henry jr. [ laughter ] what do you think, do you guys want to take this national? and how will you do it? >> yes, i would love to see it go national. i want to thank south wood athletic department. they gave me a chance as an
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assistant football coach. and the kids, i love them. i love my football team. they look at me as more like a father figure even though they might have some at the house and everything. my head coach, he always talk about to us family, family first. and i also have a son that plays for south wood, and i teach him, you know, do something different, do something positive. and just be a leader. that's it. >> it needs to go national. worldwide would be great. well, you guys are a great example. y'all are really, really great. when we're done i'm going to get your address because i want to send you guys something, and i want you guys to stay in tough. michael, zach, mike sr., tracy harris, craig lee, and kenny wayne henry jr., thank you so much from the great state of
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