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when it comes to social media we want free expression and to see a marketplace of ideas but there has to be a balance of rights and responsibilities. this isn't a legal question. oh, you know you can. it's about how you do it. we can do better. enough on the problem. what is the fix? thank you for watching. "don lemon tonight" with the big star d. lemon right now. >> what is the fix? the fix isn't facebook regulating itself, right? it has been, it has shown itself incapable of doing that thus far from the criticism, all of the misinformation or disinformation that came during the last campaign and the one before that. so what is the fix? i think the fix is going to have to be some sort of regulation and i'm not talking about censorship. most companies, most entities, most institutions have some degree of regulation on them, why should facebook or any other
social media company be any different, chris cuomo? >> i don't think it should. they say well, you know, this is, if you build it they will come platform. it took awhile for people to catch up with that because the word platform is new to us. but if you think of them as the stadium, now it all becomes very clear. well, the stadium, they don't control the game but they control the venue. and there are rules and they indeed have rules. >> they can kick people out. decide who they want to come in. they can tell people how they dress. they can tell people where to sit in a stadium. >> that's exactly where they can. my concern is how do you enforce it, don? i think that you'll get laws. i don't think the right fringe they just want to sensor us, the data is too obvious. they kill it on social media. they get the most traction, they have the most sites with the most views not being secensored. the idea of how do you do it? they have a hard enough time
with securities and because they don't understand the trading, it's a level of sophistication. who is going to do the monitoring of whether or not these social media companies are monitoring the way the law tells them to? >> amen. that point of agreement i'll let you go because i got to get to big breaking news of the story from hollywood. you know what we're talking about. >> i love you d. lemon. >> i love you, as well. talk to you soon. this is breaking news we have on the investigation of the tragic fatal shooting on alec baldwin's movie set last week. there is new information coming out now that obviously, killed the cinematographer held lean t -- helenaalyna hutchins and production is on hold. before the gun was fired after a gun incident injured a crew member according to the production company on the 2019
film "freedoms path." we're learning tonight that three crew members that worked alongside that assistant director david halls on the earlier movie are detailing what they called unsafe conditions before halls was fired from the project. so let's get right to it to the people that can give information on this and that is cnn correspondent josh campbell in new mexico, sharon waxman is the founder and ceo of "the rep." sharon, i'm interested in your information, as well. josh, you're up first. good evening to both of you. there were safety concerns on the set before the fatal shooting with at least two accidental property gun discharges onset last week. what do we know about those? was an investigation done? safety protocols looked into? anything? tell us. >> that would be reported by our colleagues at the los angeles times that incident happening october 16th where there was two
accidental discharges and the more we learn about the movie set, it was plagued by safety issues. employees themselves expressing concern in any incident investigators will always look back and what we're hearing is that there seemed to be several issues at play here. we don't know whether that october 16th incident involved live rounds or if there was an investigation that is underway but obviously, authorities will be looking back at the pattern trying to determine whether what happened here, that fatal shooting could have been prevented. >> one more before i get to sharon. cnn is learning, josh, the assistant director or a.d. on the film dave halls that handed alec baldwin the prop gun was previously fired after a gun injured a crew member. what can you tell us about halls and this prior incident? >> this important reporting from our colleague back in 2019, this assistant director, the person who reportedly handed alec baldwin the weapon on that day here in santa fe was involved in another incident and that
incident in 2019, there was an accidental discharge and a ploy has rekrocoiled. they were taken away from the set and brought back and halls was dismissed and ultimately fired. cnn reached out to halls for comment. we have not yet heard a response. one key questions, don, in this fateful incident is what was actually inseide that weapon? it some type of debris fired? was it a live round? i spoke to an official that is still awaiting the final coroner report that will hopefully give insight into what projectile took the life of helalyna hutchins, who are the people or person responsible? the armorer responsible on the set for ensuring safety or assistant director that handed alec baldwin the weapon saying it was safe or the responsibility of the actor to make sure a safe and clear weapon. the law enforcement talks about
three cardinal rules, treat every weapon as if it's loaded and two, keep the muzzle in a safe direction and three, keep your finger off the trigger unless you intend to press it. some people say hold on, this is movie hollyhollywood. a prop gun can turn out to be fa fatal. i spoke to a district attorney that said no new updates. we're waiting to see if there will be charges filed in the case. >> sharon, maybe you can help us out. this is your reporting, you have new reporting about the gun alec baldwin used. >> yes, we learned today and reported exclusively that the gun that alec baldwin used to tragically accidently shoot halyna hutchins had been used earlier in the day for target practice when a number of crew members, a lot of down time onsets you probably know and this is a past time crew members sometimes called plinging into the rural areas and shoot at
beer cans with live ammunition. we learned this happened the morning of the day that halyna hutchins was killed in the early afternoon. so what happened between the time those guns came back with live ammunition in them and they should have been checked, obviously and then there was some -- there has been a lot of information in the search warrants filed what happened to the guns and there was a break for a few minutes for lunch and came back and was the gun checked again unclear before the first a.d. called it, what he said a cold gun, meaning it could not fire anything. and it was handed to alec baldwin and then he discharged it. >> that was my very question, sharon, last week, to i don't know if you saw the reporting to a gun expert that had been on movie sets as an armorer himself, was that a possibility since they were out in a rural area, were they out target practicing? was somebody out trying to show the actors how to be more authentic and so on?
just so our audience knows, cnn has not confirmed but when asked by the wrap the movie producers referred back to the previous statement though we were not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety onset, we'll be conducting an internal review of our procedures while production is shut down. but crew members walked off the set over safety concerns days before the shooting, am i correct, sharon? >> no, the day of the shooting. they resigned the night before. not only safety conditions. there seemed to be a lot of problems on the set. people were working long hours and not happy with the conditions on the set and safety conditions was one of them. the more we learn about what is going on on the set, the more concerning it is and while there is no bringing back halyna hutchins and alec baldwin has to live with what he tragically accidently did, there is a real concern over liability and whether corners were cut and
whether the camera crew that walked off in the morning was replaced by non-union workers. were the people who were being replaced as experienced, as knowledgeable and as careful as the people who were there before hand? i know that the guilds there, there has been a big contract negotiations between the hollywood unions and the producers over issues that are not unrelated to this and they are not happy to know that, you know, basically non-union people came in and perhaps -- and that tragedy happened. >> sharon, didn't the production say they hadn't had any official reports of crew members walking off? has that changed now? >> all the reporting we've had since friday has confirmed and it's in the search warrant. >> okay. >> it's in the search warrant. >> there are clips from this podcast that have come out where the armorer of the film, hanna gutierrez talked about recently finishing her first job as the
head armorer of a film. she said her father, an industry vet has been teaching her since she was 16. here is some of it. >> it was awesome my first time being head armorer, as well. i was really nervous at first and i almost didn't take the job because i wasn't sure if i was ready but doing it, like, it went really smoothly. >> we know gutierrez is just 24 years old, combine this with an a.d. who had been fired over gun safety who -- that crew -- veteran crew members, when they're clearly important to the safety on the set, who is responsible here? >> i mean, all we can hear over and over, i must have talked to half a dozen people since friday saying this should never happen ten different ways this should never have happened and hollywood is looking very deeply at the moment internally at what is it that they need to do as an industry to make sure this never happens? it's a small industry.
so many people knew knew hellie ha lee that hutchins. this is not a role many women get to rise up into. there is a broad sense of not liability of pointing fingers but what is it the industry needs to do to make sure this absolutely never happens again. >> we're looking at pictures of her husband and child and sad all the way around. josh, take us forward. so many questions for investigators. what else are they looking for at this point? >> well, that liability is a big question. we were awaiting to see whether there will indeed be charges, perhaps a charge of negligence. most people we talked to say this appears to be an accident but that doesn't mean that anyone who was involved in this case isn't still liable for negligence and finally, according to the sheriff's department, the weapon itself. what was inside the weapon? that will come from the coroner's report. we're expecting that and not
formal report received but what investigators say is they hope with that information, they will know what was inside the weapon and help them eliminate other possibilities whether it was a live round or debris or some type of blank that shot a projectile in close range of someone. so many possibilities, which only a coroner's report, a forensic examination can help answer, don? >> all right. thank you, josh. sharon, thank you. we appreciate you both. i want to bring in our cnn senior legal analyst. josh mentioned the legal angle of that and that's where this is investigation is going. thank you for joining us. i just want to get your reaction to what sharon told us which is the wraps reporting cnn has not been able to confirm the gun was taken out for target practice or shooting outside the scope of the movie. what will investigators be looking at with this information and how could it impact who is responsible in this case? >> yeah, don, this is an enormously important piece of
information if confirmed. if the round that killed ms. hutchins turns out to be a live round like josh campbell talks about, this could explain how a live gun with live ammo got onto the try before handed to alec baldwin and if people are out doing target practice, recreational target practice with live weapons, that suggest a set that is very poorly cared for where neg yligence is more than norm. that will be a big problem for the people in charge, as well. >> let's talk about who is doing the hiring here. a crew member is putting this on the armorer and producers and you heard josh campbell's comments. would legal charges come down to the people vetting crew members like these or is it just the crew involved, producers? what does it come down to? >> so there is two types of liability at play. there is civil liability that
shows negligence, someone would have to show to sue someone for money damages and criminal charges potentially, involuntarily manslaughter you have to show criminal negligence or reckless nls. i'm looking at three people here. first of all, the assistant director when he handed the gun to alec baldwin and said cold gun, how did he confirm? did he look at the gun? what did he see? did he not inspect it? that will be a big problem. i'm looking at the armorer. was she qualified and how was a loaded live weapon on the trey for the a.d. to grab and finally, whoever did the hiring. the a.d. had prior issues josh talked about and the armorer was maybe shaky in her experience as she just laid out in the podcast clip we heard. those are the three people who are going to be the focus here. >> elliott, listen, obviously, this was an accident. alec baldwin is also a producer, not the only producer on the show. what liability could he be
looking at if any here? >> yeah, don, my view right now is alec baldwin in his capacity as an actor does not have any liability. i think the standard norm we've heard from various experts is if you're an actor and handed a gun and told cold gun, you're entitled to bank on that. as a producer, what role did he do? not all producers are created eq equal. if he was directly involved in the hiring of people that may have had red flags and management of that site, he could have liability. it's more likely going to be civil liability for someone in that position but very serious issues here. >> prosecutors and police have already gotten a search warrant executed by the sheriff. does that tell you anything or is that just standard operating procedure, pro forma? >> that does tell me something. to get a search warrant you can't get that on a whim. you have to as a prosecutor and police officer write out
probable cause. you have to write an affidavit and bring it to a judge and a judge has to agree there was probable cause a, a crime was committed more likely than not and b, we'll find evidence of the crime at the scene. as a prosecutor, you want more than that before you charge but it's a good set of the way there. it's a good step towards an eventual criminal charge. >> appreciate it. you're always so knowledgeable. appreciate having you. thank you, sir. >> thanks, don. listen, it is a big story. it is our lead story. when you consider the history of hollywood and the entire movie industry, right? and this has happened a few times. something went terribly, terribly wrong. there were precautions put in place after it happened to brandon lee. and now this. and one of the biggest actors, biggest personalities in the world and someone is dead.
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so i got to tell you, everyone, what we're hearing from whistle blower francis is blowing up facebook. listen to what she testifies to the british parliament today. she says it only takes a tiny percentage of content that's hateful to her words have a revolution. >> so facebook comes back and says only a tiny sliver of content on our platform is hate or only a tiny sliver is violence, and they can't detect it well so i don't know if i trust the numbers but two, it's hyper concentrated in 5% of the population and you only need 3% of the population on the streets to have a revolution and that's dangerous. >> hate and lies that could spark a revolution. and the hate the lies and plenty more are spreading like wildfire
on facebook. listen, known is suggesting that everything you see on facebook is harmful. nobody is suggesting that. you may never have seen hate or misinformation at all, well, but for people who do, the angry rhetoric is like a drug. and it is good for facebook's bottom line so the big question tonight what facebook knew and what they're doing about it. all right? it's all coming out in the facebook papers. tens of thousands of pages of internal documents leaked by that whistle blower, documents that go really deep into the company's struggles to regulate hate speech and misinformation in the country and around the world, really. the redacted versions were obtained by cnn and a group of 16 other news organizations and what all this tells us is really
chilling. >> one of the things that happens with groups and with networks of groups is that people see echo chambers that create social norms. so if i'm in a group that has lots of covid misinformation and i see over and over again that if someone gives covid vaccine like things they encourage people to get vaccinated, they get completely pounced upon and torn apart. i learned that certain ideas are acceptable and unacceptable. when that context is around hate, you see a normalization of hate and normalization of dehumanizing others and leads to violent incidents. >> listen, think about this any time you've been on any of those social media platforms or even video platforms and you happen upon something that is, you know, whatever you happen upon. then all of a sudden, it clicks you to the next one that is similar and the next one that's similar. if you're on a misinformation website, it's like a rabbit hole you keep going down. it doesn't give you other
things. it doesn't diversify what you're watching and if it shows you something that's a conspiracy theory and something that tells the truth. it doesn't do that. you continue down the rabbit hole of whatever it is, whatever is like what you clicked on and then sometimes i'll go on and it starts to get scarier and scarier and scarier and i'm like what is this? is this what happens to everyone? they just sort of get into their own media bubble and they're own echo chamber? that's what happens. if you get stuck in this whole echo chamber of hate and misinformation, it is normalizing hate, becomes normal to you because that's what you see. a lot of conanspiracy theories d rhetoric to infect. that's what happened. that's where we got to where we are now. how do you reach people that firmly believe the qanon lies, the lies the former president, the one that left washington and disgraced nine months ago, people believe he's still
president. >> wasn't q's whole thing trump would be reinstated as president? >> he never left. there is no doubt in my mind. 150,000%. >> that he's still president of the united states? really? does he still hold the powers of the presidency? >> well, he's been flying around the world on air force one, says something. >> i thought joe biden is technically on air force one. so they're faking it? >> it's not a presidency. >> who is running the country right now? >> president trump. >> so president trump is still flying around on air force one in his mind. probably the mind of other people. how do you reach people like that man in the video? reach people who refuse to take a life saving vaccine. how do you reach those people not that he is but how do you reach people that refuse to take a life saving vaccine in the middle of a pandemic that killed more than 730,000 americans.
>> no, not getting that vaccine. no, no, no. them vaccines are not good, hun. >> are you vaccinated? >> no, but i have a lot of hydroxychloroquine at my house. >> have you got your vaccine? >> no. >> they ain't tested it enough from my opinion. >> i don't trust the government. i don't trust the cdc, i don't trust none of them. >> do you anybody that got sick or died? >> i know three people that got it and died but i know people that got cancer and died, too. >> you know three people that died from coronavirus and you won't get the vaccine? >> no, like i said, i don't need the vaccine. >> have you guys gotten vaccinated? >> no. won't do it. >> can i ask why you chose not to? >> i'm allergic to a lot of things in the chemicals and stuff like that and freedom. you get to choose. if you can have an abortion and choose your body, i should be able to choose if i get a shot. >> and then there is -- i saw an interview with this man who said that the vaccine was killing
people and everyone who took the vaccine, right? pretty much everyone is going to die from taking the vaccine and then the interviewer said well, how -- well, the vaccine was facilitated by the former president. he takes credit for it. how do you explain that? he said because he wanted to save lives. how then does that make sense? like, if it's donald trump with the vaccine, then it's to save lives but if it's not him, then it it's killing people. see? the lies, the misinformation, the hateful rhetoric are spreading out of control, really. even the hate that sparked the deadly violence in charlot charlottesville. jews are not replace us. jury selection in the civil case against the organizers began today and that's where we are
tonight. from charlottesville to january 66th to vaccine lies and the nation drowning in hate and misinformation. it seems like america is angrier than ever and facebook has a lot to answer for. we'll have to figure out how to reach people that believe the lies and the misinformation. bakari sellers is here. how much did facebook know and what's the platform doing to our democracy after the break. love again. helpy just one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn. because life starts when heartburn stops. take the challenge at prilosecotc dot com. it's an important time to save. with priceline, you can get up to 60% off amazing hotels.
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so let's talk more about our breaking news now. facebook ceo mark zuckerberg defiant amid the role in the january 6th insurrection speaking to investors tonight, zuckerberg downplayed the thousands of pages of leaked internal documents so i want to bring in cnn correspondents. gentlemen, hello to both of you. good evening. these internal facebook documents and what we're hearing from whistle blower francis, it all points a very disturbing picture how facebook repeatedly failed to stop the spread of extremism and that includes the stop the steal movement. how much do we know about what was going on here? >> they knew a lot, don.
that experiment that you spoke about where they set up this account of a north carolina mom 41 years old. she starts off by liking donald trump, melania trump, fox news and after a few weeks, facebook is recommending facebook is recommending she follow qanon pages. >> that's what i said, right? you get -- >> yeah. >> go on. >> she follows three percenter pages. this is an experience we're all familiar with and i think that really is, that demonstrates this. zuckerberg can say whatever he wants. i'll say i think zuckerberg is starting to sound more and more like trump rather than engaging on substance, he's atatacking te media and everyone seems to be wrong including facebook, even people that worked at ed at the company. they knew about this in 2019. it took them another year to ban
qanon a few weeks before the election when they did that. >> you can see, as i said, when you go down this route it's like brainwashing. more and more and more of the same and it gets more extreme and more extreme and more extreme as you continue to go along. i have to find myself, i know it's not true and i got to get out of this, it's disturbing. unquestionably that facebook is making hate worse and that's a quote and unless changes are made, we will see or could see more violence around the world, really. >> it's polluting our political discourse and i have no love for sheryl sandberg and mark zuckerberg. not only have they put their bottom line above democracy but their simply indifferent and have excuses. i think we're right. they sound more like the trumps than they do stewards of good
business but facebook has three problems. the first is it's disinformation. the second is, it encourages hate and lastly, the ad verse i impact it has on young people can't be ignored. the like the handoff and chris said how do you regulate and hold them accountable? well, i have an idea. i mean, i think that from diylan roof and him prohaving hate to his ideas and express feelings and learn more to charlottesville to january 6th, i think not only should facebook be held civilly liable and harmful acts and deaths caused and indifference they show. they have trouble regulating them in congress and i do think
the way adjudicate them -- >> you're an attorney bakari. is that possible? >> i mean, look, i have thrown a lot of, you know, things in wind mills and some have stuck and some have not but i mean, no one thought when they sued the tobacco industry in this country they would be successful, either on impact and lies and deceit. facebook is another similar example and i think that you look at those three examples, whether or not it's what they've done in january 6th or what they didn't do in january 6th. if you look at charlottesville and look at dylann roof, those are three clear examples where mark zuckek zuckerberg and chsh sandberg have done nothing. they sit in silicon valley and chill with their friends. >> i want to play mark zuckerberg's response to be fair. here it is.
>> criticism helps us get better but my view, what we're seeing is a coordinated effort to selectively use leaked documents to paint a false picture of our company. the reality is we have an open culture where we encourage discussion and research about our work so we can make progress on many complex issues not specific to just us. >> okay. so that was on an investor call but here is the problem. there is a lot of criticism coming from inside the company. he's talking about what is happening in the company. criticism from inside the company and then i wonder if that changes things but everybody is right, everybody is wrong but him. do you get what i'm saying? >> yeah, look, good face crit criticism? a perfect example how facebook cannot be trusted is they release this report for the
second quarter of this year where they show these are the most popular links and websites in facebook and the u.s. and showed that the pages were about pets and animals and cooking and cute things. people ask where is the q 1 report? facebook had the report but decided not to release it publicly because the top link was a squarecare mongering about the vaccine. "the new york times" reported on it. but in the meantime, they released the second quarter report saying see how transparent we are and how great we are? so it's really very, very difficult to trust this company when it comes to their own research because we don't know what way they will spin it? >> last word, bakari. what do we do? >> sometimes you leave well enough alone.
that was a good message there. the fact of the matter is, facebook is out of control and it's one thing to be out of control. it's another thing to be out of control and unregulated and this goes to the fact that chuck grassley and a lot of old members of the united states senate and united states congress really don't though what facebook is or how it works or operates but somebody has to stop them from polluting our culture and being a part of tearing apart democracy. i understand individual responsibility but facebook goes one step further. they actually age you in prom gating hate, which then causes deaths that we see throughout the country. i just have facebook so my mother can look at pictures and stay connected with her grandchildren. that's why most people had it. there are other people out there who are using it for sinister reasons to tear apart democracy and again, i don't think you can separate mark zuckerberg from sheryl sandberg. they don't care. >> thank you, gentlemen. appreciate it. president biden in jersey today as we say up here.
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democrats scrambling to try to reach a deal on president biden's agenda ahead of the big foreign trip later in the week. senator joe mansion saying it is possible a deal could be reached in a matter of days but there are a whole lot of sticking points over what exactly will be in that social safety net package? let's discuss. democratic congressman tim ryan of ohio is here and running by the way for u.s. senate in 2022. thank you, sir. good to see you. congressman, i'll say senator soon, maybe. we'll see. listen, so let's talk about this and then we'll talk about your race. the president is making clear he
wants a deal before he leaves for the g 20 later in the week on thursday. we saw things move closer today but this process has been anything but smooth as you're well aware of. do democrats need to put something forward soon to prove to voters they can actually govern? >> 1,000%. we got to get this done. there is a sense of urgency in the country, don, i think you understand that a lot of your viewers understand that this is 30 or 40 years in the making putting more money in the back in the pockets of people. you know, we cut taxes for the top 1, 5, 10% for the last 30 or 40 years and the theory was it will trickle down to places like ohio. that didn't happen. and this is an attempt for us to put money in people's pockets, whether you're talking about early childhood education, that's money in people's pockets, a tax cut for families, that's money in people's pockets. telling seniors on the medicare program that they don't have to go and pay themselves for
hearing aids or glasses. that's money in their pockets. so this is all about rebalancing this economic system that's been completely out of whack for 30 or 40 years. people are very i'mnpatient, i' inpatient, time to get it done. >> democrats are still hashing out the safety net package but what is in includes universal prek, climate tax credits and incentives, funding for affordable housing. it would benefit many ohioans of all ideologies, and all different backgrounds whether republican or democrat. will passing biden's agenda help del democrats win back working class voters that flipped to trump? >> 1,000%. the problem is i've been doing this a little while in northwest ohio in cleveland and pittsburgh we've seen a lot of promises made. tax cuts that will trickle down to the community and help us rebuild.
that was not the answer. pie we're in agreement that didn't work. now here is our chance to really try to put money in people's pockets and that's what all this stuff does. i mean, this is like built for the working class whether you're wliet or black or brown. this is built for you. if you have child care issues and you're spending a lot, this brings those costs down. if you have to pay for health care, this brings those costs down. if you want to get your kid into preschool, this helps you make that happen so that we can compete against china. that's the other piece of this, don, that a lot of people aren't talking about. we have to build this out so that we can out compete china. that is our chief competition right now economically, military and every other way so these investments are about how do we out outc compete them? how do we get the skill and dominate the industry of the future and build electric
vehicles, cars, charging stations, wind, solar, there is a manufacturing remember sense waiting to happen and we're letting china run circles around us right now. this bill is about laying that groundwork. training our work force. this is about social safety net but this is about creating good paying jobs for people who go out and do everything right and need a little breathing room. >> also, again, i think that democrats need to do a better job of convincing or showing republicans that it's actually good for republicans especially working class people and people in rural areas that there is, you know, it shouldn't -- they should incentivize them. before i let you go, there, i want to talk to you about the senate race that you're in in ohio, which you are, you know, running for, on the gop side, right? you have -- it's a battle over who can be the trumpest. josh mandel, j.d. vance trying
to show who is more loyal to the former president. are you worried this race will become a referendum on trump instead of what >> no, ohioans are very pragmatic. i'll tell you what ohioans don't want, regardless of their political party or even their views, they don't want a senator who's got to go kiss someone's ring or kiss someone's rear end to go get the okay to vote a certain way. they want someone who's got ohio deep in their dna and is going to advocate for them, whether they're white or black or brown, who's going to bring the ohio business community together with the ohio workers so that we can rebuild our communities. they don't want to have fights. everyone's tired of the fights. they want common ground until we can get to some higher ground. someone that's going to work with business but also make sure workers get cut in on the deal. i think the choice is going to be very, very clear on how ohioans want to move forward.
we're asking everyone who wants to help out to chip in 5 or 10 bucks. this campaign is on the move. everyone on the other side, milli millionaires. they're stroking checking to their own campaign for 5 million, 10 million, 7 million, 3 million, whatever's going to get them over the hump. we're fueled by low dollar donors. every donation, average donation is under $100. if you want a senator who's not a millionaire, i think we can all be in agreement that there's enough millionaires in the united states senate, let someone in who's going to fight like hell for the middle class. >> tim ryan, congressman, thank you very much. >> thanks, dom, always good to be with you. >> you as well. a nor'easter bearing down on the east coast tonight. we've got the up to the minute forecast. that's next. nyquil severe. the nighttime, sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, stuffy head, best sleep with a cold, medicine.
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knew tonight including the weather. new york governor kathy hochul declaring frz the rain is already coming down in the tri-state area worrying officials that after the remnants of hurricane ida that caused deadly mass flooting in cement, what could happen? what are the possibilities? our meteorologist joins me now. good to see you. what are you expecting from this storm? >> you know, don, this has been a storm that had a history of producing significant damage. it was the same storm last thursday into friday that impacted part s of california, and now moving in towards the northeast as we set up shop here later on tonight into tomorrow. that is what the concern is here because the storm undergoes what
we call bombogenisis. that is a rapidly intensifying storm system that is already strong. it has had a history of producing at least 17 tornados. that was around the midwest, parts of missouri, an ef3 observed there. you're seeing the bouts of heavy rainfall pour in. washington, baltimore, working its way towards allentown and scranton and eventually this skirts in towards portions of new york city later on tonight into tomorrow, and the concern, don, is that over the next 24 hours, potentially later on tomorrow evening and tomorrow night, we get some very, very heavy rainfall, maybe one to two inches per hour. the national weather service taking this very seriously. about 40 million people underneath these flood alerts. and notice where the heaviest guidance for the rainfall is. widespread coverage over the next two to three days of four to six inches with potentially
six plus inches. this much rainfall in an urban environment, you've seen how things played out in august into september. the concern is we could see some similar scenes in spots around the northeast in the next couple of days. >> let's talk about that. we were, you know, both -- i got to move on, we were both covering that in early september what happened in the tri-state area. there was massive flooding. there were even deaths. we'll be paying close eye on it. thank you, pedram, we appreciate it. up next, what is going on on the set? there's new information coming out about the gun incident before alec baldwin actually shot and killed a cinematographer on the set of his latest movie. it feels too good to be true. it's kicking back and relaxing as we pick up your car. and when you get paid on the spot, it feels like scoring big. you know the feeling. you just never imagined you could get it from selling your car. well, with carvana, you can.
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