Skip to main content

tv   Cuomo Prime Time  CNN  October 25, 2021 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT

6:00 pm
received a covid-19 vaccine dose, citing false claims about the impact of the vaccine shot. i hand it over to chris cuomo for "prime time." chris? >> thank you, anderson. the production of "rust" is now shut down indefinitely, but investigations seem to be ramping up after actor alec baldwin accidentally shot and killed a cinematographer with a gun thursday. question. how did a live round end up in what was supposed to be a prop gun? now, there is no such thing as a prop gun. they only use in a lot of these things, certainly in this production, real guns, and then they just change the ammunition if they get it right. so are we going to hear at some point that no real guns will be used this movies anymore? it certainly seems clear now that missteps led to the accidental killing of hutchins,
6:01 pm
the cinematographer. someone was in charge of the gun that baldwin pulled the trigger on. and someone else handed it to him and told him it was cold, meaning no live ammo. you could also ask, why were they even using a real gun in a rehearsal? why wasn't it a fake? why wasn't it just a rubber thing? they were just blocking out a scene. tonight we're learning more about what is knowable at this moment r ppoint, those two crew members. the rookie armorer, the one in charge of the weapons, she had doubts about her own capabilities and expressed them openly on a podcast just last month, talking about the movie she worked on right before this one. listen to hannah gutierrez. >> i was really nervous about it at first, and i almost didn't take the job because i wasn't sure if i was ready.
6:02 pm
but doing it, it went really smoothly. dad has taught me everything, but a lot of things, you know, i kind of caught on by myself -- >> observation? >> yeah, just observation, watching him do things or just knowing how the firearms work. i think loading blanks was the scariest thing to me because i was like, oh, i don't know anything about it. z >> the last part is especially haunting on two bases, right? how can loading blanks be scary, and how do you hire someone who doesn't know what they're doing by their own admission? then there was the physical director who physically handled the weapon to baldwin and gave him the go-ahead that it was safe to use, allegedly shouting, cold gun. his name is dave halls. we're learning halls was fired from a previous movie he was working on over another gun incident that injured a crew
6:03 pm
member. the production company, rocket soul studios, said halls was serving as an a.d., an assistant director, on the film "freedom path" when a muzzle-loading rifle accidentally discharged on set, causing a sound crew member to get medical treatment and halted production. so this wasn't his first gun incident on a job. and the head armorer wasn't 100% confident in what she was doing, specifically loading blarnks ino a gun. though, again, if it is a blank, then the loading part isn't your problem. it's that they had live ammo on set. why would you have that in a make-believe situation? now we're hearing multiple reports, that there were at least two accidental prop gun -- i keep using that word.
6:04 pm
never use it. it is completely immaterial. there is no such thing as a prop gun in this instance. they are using real guns and not real ammo, you hope. i pause because they probably used real ammo here, that's why someone is dead and someone else is injured. so the real weapon discharged twice on set in the days prior to the deadly shooting. joel souza is the director of the film. he was shot. i believe he has a shattered clavicle. they say he's okay and he's talking to veflinvestigators in santa fe. they're still waiting for the forensic report from the coroner's office to learn the type of projection that killed hutchins. theoretically, they may learn there were no bullets in the gun, that it was some defective blank or something like that. we don't know for sure. but in all liked lilikelihood, catastrophic damage to this
6:05 pm
woman and killed her is a bullet. do you remember bill davis, licensed weapons specialist, has been a firearms trainer for film and television for many years. it's good to have you back. >> thank you for having me, chris. >> let's just deal -- last thing first. we're waiting on the forensics, but what else could have come out of this gun and blown a big hole in somebody and killed them and then hit somebody else except some type of ammunition? >> well, that's it right there in a nutshell. it had to be a live round with a lead projectile in order to penetrate one body and partially penetrate another. you can't do that with a blank. >> right. now, you heard there that the armorer said one of the scariest things in doing the job the first time, which was the job right before this one, she said loading blanks was tricky.
6:06 pm
why? >> well, it's not tricky. it is to the uninitiated or the inexperienced. now, she is 24 years old. by law in the united states, you have to be at least 21 years old to handle firearms. why would someone hire somebody like this and make them a, quote, unquote, armorer when it takes years to become an armorer. you can become a gun handler, but that isn't what she was doing. she wasn't focused, she wasn't paying attention, and she didn't load the weapon. >> this isn't about how she loaded blanks, it's that they had live ammo on set, right? >> yeah, that's my understanding. i'm still waiting -- because we're no longer dealing with a movie set, we're dealing with a crime scene that i think they're investigating for negligent homicide to see who they can lay that off on, which there seems to be an abundance of people
6:07 pm
involved in this. there is just no way that the first a.d. should have had nyack asse -- any access to the gun at all. it goes from the armor to the gun, no exception. >> let's call it chain of of custody. i know it's a movie, but it goes from the armorer who is supposed to know what he put in the wea weapon. then it's supposed to go right to the actor, and the actor should check also, no? >> of course. what i do, and i've learned from other armorers over the years. that's how i got to be long-lasting in this industry. you've got to learn from those who know, and it's like anything else. you get into a field of endeavor and you have to pay attention, you have to focus, you have to learn the business. well, live ammo -- i'm deadly
6:08 pm
serious -- live ammo has no place on a motion picture or television studio set. it has no place on a set anywhere, any time. >> the only reason it would be there, the last time we spoke, you said it's possible that if they ran out of dummy bullets for a close-up in showing someone loading a gun so you wouldn't notice there was no slug on top of the casing because it was a blank, then maybe you would try to substitute the dummy bullets, which are casing that has no gunpowder on it, with a slug on top with real ammo. i know you would never do that, but that's the only possibility, right? >> i suppose that's one of the possibilities. i know that when you're dealing with ammunition, a blank round of ammunition right here is for the cowboy guns.
6:09 pm
that's what fits into the 1873 colt single action army, which is what baldwin was apparently using. you've got a blank one, you'll notice it's crimped on the front. then if you were to load in a live round, this is a live round of ammunition in a .45 long colt. you notice the projectile. then you're dealing with another dummy round that looks like the real deal. it's beautiful. it's shiny, it's brand new. but it's got that silver primer at the bottom, a little silver circle that's got a big dent in it which indicates it's used, spent primer. so even if it had powder in it, it wouldn't go off. there is no ignition source. >> let me ask you something real quick before i let you go, bill, and thank you again for taking time to come on with us. >> no problem. >> what do you think of the suggestion that you shouldn't be
6:10 pm
using real guns in a make-believe endeavor like a motion picture? you have the technology now, and just the safety issues alone, it's time for a change. >> well, if i thought for a moment that it would make the movie look better to use non-guns or use plastic guns or rubber guns thaand use computeri enhancement for the flash, i would be in line saying, sign me up, i want to learn these guns, i want to learn all about them. sadly enough, they don't look real. not only do they not appear real -- like this a real one -- the patina of it, you can't get that in a rubber or plastic gun. this is a replica. it all boils down to experience, neglect and failure to perform
6:11 pm
your function as an armorer. there is no excuse for that. if you're going to call yourself an armorer, then you better know the job, and you can't call yourself an armorer or a prop master after just two movies. it's just not right. it doesn't happen. >> bill davis, thank you for talking to us about the ins and outs. very helpful. be well. >> my pleasure. good night. >> bill raises another issue we're going to take on in the next segment. this is obviously an accident in one part, and it was obviously a failure to do your job in the main part. what does that mean? what does that mean legally? you heard bill say the investigators may be trying to do criminally negligent homicide. now, that is a very specific crime with a very specific mental intent and a burden of proof, okay? is there criminal exposure? is there civil liability? you know that's a yes.
6:12 pm
would this really be about alec baldwin, maybe as a producer on the film, or the other producers, the armorer? we e we have a legal mind who has been put with exactly these kinds of questions, next. because the nfl is connected. and at any moment, the fate of the season can come down to this. billions of secure connections, per second. when the game is on the line and the game is always on the line touchdown! the nfl relies on cisco. i thought i was managing my moderate to severe crohn's disease. then i realized something was missing... ...me. my symptoms were keeping me from being there for her. so, i talked to my doctor and learned humira is the #1 prescribed biologic for people with crohn's disease. humira helps people achieve remission that can last. and the majority of people on humira
6:13 pm
saw significant symptom relief in as little as 4 weeks. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections, including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. be there for you, and them. ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. learn how abbvie could help you save on humira. ♪ your new pharmacy is here. to help you compare prices, and save on your medication. amazon prime members get select meds as low as $1 a month. who knew it could be this easy? your new pharmacy is amazon pharmacy. ♪ darling, i, i can't get enough of your love babe♪
6:14 pm
♪girl, i don't know, i don't know,♪ ♪i don't know why i can't get♪ applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.
6:15 pm
♪ limu emu & doug ♪ got a couple of bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. what do you say we see what this bird can do? woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. looks like we're walking, kid. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
6:16 pm
all the intrigue surrounding the alec baldwin shooting in the "rust" movie, it's really about what happens now? what is the legal exposure here? is there any kind of criminal exposure on this? halyna hutchins is dead. she was a mom, she was a professional, she was a wife. she's gone. is there criminal exposure? baldwin was told he had a cold gun in his hand. did the person who gave it to him check? if they didn't check and they said that, is there exposure for that? now, there was live ammo on set. what is the exposure for that? a lot of it to me sounds like
6:17 pm
it's going to be about civil. it's going to be about money, it's going to be about liability. but could it be more? attorney stuart frankel knows the law in this area, even in new mexico. he represented a stuntwoman who was injured in one of hollywood's movies, so he understands the analogy here on both sides of the table. thank you very much, counselor. now, i didn't hear you. let me see if it's me or if i can hear you. >> i'm hearing you loud and clear, chris. can you hear me now? >> are you trying to give me a heart attack? now you have criminal exposure. help us understand what is the universal possibility as you understand the circumstances at this moment? >> first of all, i think we need to say our heartfelt condolences to the hutchins family and to mr. souza. i hope he heals fast and he
6:18 pm
heals abwell. moving to the second part of your question, we're looking at two things. we're looking at criminal exposure, potentially, and we're looking at civic exposure. do you want to start with the criminal first? >> please. >> what we have here is a situation where the district attorney in the state of new mexico is going to investigate this potential crime. they're going to collect all the facts, and then they're going to determine whether or not they want to charge any or all of the people involved, mr. baldwin, mr. gutierrez, mr. halls or others with involuntary manslaughter. when you're dealing with involuntary manslaughter, all you really have to prove was that there was an unintentional killing, one, and number two, that it occurred while acting in a reckless manner. however, you do also have to prove there is criminal negligence. so there has to be a little bit more than just, i made a mistake sd mistake. does that make sense?
6:19 pm
>> we're not talking about i made a mistake. you had a duty to do this job the right way. you didn't do it the right way. it caused an injury and now you have to pay. that has civic liability written all over it. but on the criminal side, negligence isn't normal negligence. you have to get to a higher standard even in new mexico. what does that look like in terms of a factual representation? >> sure, let me give you an example. let's say, for example, i'm in my backyard and it's the fourth of july. i take my gun out, i'm so excited, and i point my pistol in the air. i'm not intending to hurt anyone, i'm not intending to kill anybody, but let's say the round travels through the air, drops down, hits someone and kills someone. i could be charged with involuntary manslaughter. i had the intent to pull the trigger knowing a round would be discharged, and it is foreseeable that someone would
6:20 pm
be killed or injured for my actions. that is enough. here, as we said before, there is a lot we don't know. are any or all of these people a con -- people's conduct reckless? was it a projectile in the cartridge? we don't know. it could have been a blank and that blank can still kill people -- >> you're right, you're right, you're asking the question s in the right way. but in terms of suggestions here, it would be shocking if the forensic exam came back and said this was a blank, because this was a catastrophic injury that result in her death, and the way -- what it takes to do something -- that's no blarnk, especially from that distance. i hear what you're saying, though, we have to waltit for t forensics. alec baldwin was handed what was called a cold gun, and he was rehearsing a scene.
6:21 pm
isn't this really about the guy who said it was a cold gun, when obviously they didn't check or didn't know what they were checking for, and the armor who may have -- armorer who may have had live ammo on the set? >> not necessarily. if you point a weapon at someone, you intend to kill them. if someone hands you a pep and te -- a gun and tells you it's a cold one, you need to check. you always treat a gun as if it's loaded. you never point it at someone and you don't put your finger on the trigger unless you intend to pull it. we know alec baldwin didn't identify there were rounds in there. it's very simple to pull the gun open. you can see by looking in there. there never should have been rounds in there. he has a duty and
6:22 pm
responsibility, there's a lot of shared responsibility and a lot of bad acts here, in my opinion. >> stuart frankel, i appreciate you. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. have a great night. >> when you go to negligence and understanding and still not doing the right thing, forget about this movie set. think about social media and the pro p proprietors. we now learned that facebook didn't do enough to quell the lies before the insurrection on january 6. thousands and thousands of pages of leaked documents referred to n now as the facebook papers. you know what this means other than a tv prop? it means that's a lot of discussion about something you want to pretend you never really focused on and don't have any control over. lega
6:23 pm
let's bring in a true pro. knows the company, knows the business model and knows the behavior. roger mcnamee. he wrote the book, literally. l let's talk to him about what the solution is, next. ♪ [suitcase closing] [gusts of wind] [gusts of wind] [ding] i'll also be needing some nail polish, a bottle of champagne, and a box of chocolates. ( doorbell ) boom! because i'm keeping it casual. ( blowing )
6:24 pm
6:25 pm
ever wonder how san francisco became the greenest big city in america? just ask the employee owners of recology. we built the recycling system from the ground up, helping san francisco become the first city in the country to have a universal recycling and composting program for residents and businesses. but it all starts with you. let's keep making a differene together.
6:26 pm
the saga of social media, or as i see it, anti-social media.
6:27 pm
we just seem to -- we can't get past the obvious. of course, facebook plays to profits. of course, it doesn't always do what it tells us it's going to do. that's business, and we both know it. the problem is, facebook and the other major players in social media are too important to be allowed to do what other big businesses do. no other businesses played a role in the shaping of our political behavior, let alone the january 6 domestic terror attack on the u.s. capitol. cnn has this big, fat stack of documents explosive in their implications, including, quote, how almost all of the fastest growing facebook groups were stop the steal and how, quote, the harm existed at the network level. it normalized delegit imization
6:28 pm
and hate in a way that resulted in offline harm and harm to the norms underpinning democracy. this is them, not me. there were example after example of facebook employees raising concerns, demanding the company behavior better. but it has been allowed to play around like many big companies do. so everyone who is acting surprised at this hasn't been paying attention. look at almost any of the nearly 600 indictments of people charged with attacking our capitol. facebook's role on them being there is all over the damn document. do you know who else talked about the event of january 6? the organizers of the stop the steal event. >> reporter: you guys heard about this where? >> on facebook. >> reporter: a facebook event? how did you find out about it? >> i created a facebook event,
6:29 pm
and i posted after the fact that we were again coming today. i will again be making another event in regards to tomorrow. >> look, we all know the problem. what is the fix? how do we balance rights and responsibilities? zuckerberg focuses on the first part, rights, because it's the easy part. >> i do agree that we should work to give people the fullest free expression that is possible. i'm very committed to making sure facebook is a platform for all ideas. when i talk about giving people a voice, that's what i care about. >> but he has to care about what they do with that voice as well and how to monitor it. and they already admitted they can. look, we both know we're chatting on something on facebook or even e-mail these days, you start getting ads about what you're talking about. in the days after the terror attack, cheryl sandberg, the company's chief operating
6:30 pm
officer, played up that other platforms, quote, don't have our abilities to stop hate. they have the tools, we know it. but this also shows you why self-regulation won't cut it. a company that prides itself on mining every piece of data it can get its hands on rejected its own advisory board's recommendation to study how its policies contribute to the violence. few know the scope of the challenge better roger mcnamee. his book is "zucked." glad to have you back. >> dpglad to be here. >> even though i held up the pages like an actor, we know they have regulators open to regulation. so what is the fix, because we're past the point of can they.
6:31 pm
it's should they, and now we believe it's yes, so what does that look like? >> chris, there are three problems you have to solve in any regulatory scheme. the first is companies like facebook, and this would apply to google, it would apply to amazon and others. they operate at nation level. they made facebook with no boundaries, no limits. so anything can happen there. the other thing is, which is common to facebook and others and it's spreading through the whole economy. they have the ability to target each of us individually. they have a little model which is everything we've ever done in real world, so you leave fingerprints on your phone, any time you use an app, any time you browse the web. they have the ability to target us and to manipulate us. and the third part of the problem, and this is where it all comes together, is when you
6:32 pm
match at that business model to that giant network of 3 billion people, it essentially -- you want those people active, so you promote the most emotional ideas out there. and what happens is that things that are normally at the fringe, like white supremacy or anti-vaxx suddenly get drawn into the mainstream and facebook and other companies promote that stuff because it's more profitable than nuews. it's protester profitable than kitten photos. the whole thing becomes a huge nexus for scams and political harm. if you want to solve it, you need to solve all three. safety, privacy and competition are the three problems. we need an fda for tech. we need to have rules that say, i'm sorry, but you can't use intimate data like location, any kind of third party use, and you need to have new rules that prevent companies from becoming so big they can't be regulated.
6:33 pm
>> so we have senator klobuchar on after you. she has a bill out there. it's very much controlled looking at this through an a anti-law perspective. is that key? >> i think that's key, but the big thing today is it's hard for starters to compete. it would still be hard to compete with the mothership or the whatsapp. there is still market dominance in their spaces you still can't compete. what you need to do is prevent companies like facebook from operating ad marketplaces at the same time they operate networks. you have to separate the components as well as the divisions from each other. but that's just a piece of it. as well as the safety rules, without the privacy rules that have to apply to the whole economy, it won't help just to
6:34 pm
regulate them from a competition point of view because they're doing too much harm. >> look, we know this can be better. i honestly believe -- i don't mean to be a cynic, roger, and having you in my life has proved my disposition on this. but i believe the problem works better for all the power players than the solution. even in government. that going after facebook, it's the only thing that unites the right and left right now. they're both attacking facebook. of course, you have the people on the right saying, don't censor us, even though they have the most political traction. and then you have the left side saying regulate them more. roger, thank you for helping us understand this. to be continued. be well. we're going to keep talking solutions. like i said, we have senator amy klobuchar. very smart. understands the law and policy very well at the state and national level. she has a bill for regulation. she has not been sleeping about
6:35 pm
this, she just can't get buy-in. what did she make of what mcnamee said? what is the future for her bill or any kind of regulation, next. feel stuck with credit card debt? move to sofi and feel what it's like to get your money right. ♪ move your high-interest debt to a sofi personal loan. you could save with low rates and no fees. earn $10 just for viewing your rate and get your money right. ♪ we strip in the community garden. i've been stripping here for years. i strip before take-off. breathe right strips open your nose for relief you can feel right away,
6:36 pm
helping you take in air more easily, wherever you are. discover card i just got my cashback match is this for real? yup! we match all the cash back new card members earn at the end of their first year automatically woo! i got my mo-ney! it's hard to contain yourself isn't it? uh- huh! well let it go! woooo! get a dollar for dollar match at the end of your first year. only from discover. i'm not getting through the pandemic just to end up with the flu. i asked for fluzone high-dose quadrivalent. it's the #1-used flu vaccine for people 65 and older. fluzone high-dose quadrivalent is the only vaccine approved by the fda for superior flu protection in adults 65+. i'm not letting my guard down. fluzone high-dose quadrivalent isn't for people who've had a severe allergic reaction to any flu vaccine or vaccine component, including eggs or egg products. tell your health care professional if you've ever experienced severe muscle weakness after receiving a flu shot. people with weakened immune systems, including those receiving therapies that suppress the immune system, may experience lower immune responses.
6:37 pm
vaccination may not protect everyone. side effects include pain, redness, and/or swelling where you got the shot, muscle ache, headache, and general discomfort. other side effects may occur. all flu shots are not the same. i raised my game with fluzone high-dose quadrivalent. ask your doctor or pharmacist for fluzone high-dose quadrivalent. when did you see the sign? when i needed to jumpstart sales. build attendance for an event. help people find their way. fastsigns designed new directional signage. and got them back on track. get started at fastsigns.com.
6:38 pm
♪ i see trees of green ♪ ♪ red roses too ♪ ♪ i see them bloom for me and you ♪ (music) ♪ so i think to myself ♪ ♪ oh what a wonderful world ♪
6:39 pm
head of facebook mark zuckerberg is not happy. he doesn't like the headlines. his take on today's earnings call -- no irony there it's under an earnings call he's talking about this -- is all an effort to make the company look bad, he says. listen. >> good criticism helps us get better. but my view is what we are seeing is a coordinated effort to selectively use leaked documents to paint a false picture of our company. the reality is that we have an open culture where we encourage discussion and research at our work so we can make progress on many complex issues that are not specific to just us. >> now, look, i he'll take the invi invitation, but i'd love for him to come on the show and
6:40 pm
legalities just have a frank discussion about this. my guess is they understand their capabilities in a way our government never will. why hasn't he fixed this? is it really just about what makes you money and the provocative things are what works for you? you want to talk frank, you want to be upset, do it. is the fix anywhere close in our congress? signal light judiciary committee member senator amy klobuchar. she's done the home work, she knows the law, she understands policy. it's good to see you here. thanks, senator klobuchar. >> i've heard him speak at the earnings meeting, and i've been taking this on long before there were any documents out there, and that's because any parent, anyone that's interested in our democracy, no matter what party they're a part of, you start to see the harm. you start to see the injury. you start to see the fact that they are putting profit, and that is based on polarized and
6:41 pm
algorithms that promote polarized speech and angry speech. they put that in front of the safety of this nation. that's a fact. i would suggest reading the book "the ugly truth" by two "new york times" reporters. it really sums it all up. >> so we know the problem. do you believe there is the will in government these days to fix it? >> yes. it's not going to be easy. there are lobbyists around every corner. the tech industry has hired well over 300 lobbyists, and i noted that at the whistleblower hearing, is that my colleagues have to get through this. they're going to hear from lobbyists, but they have to look at the facts and listen to their constituents like i listen to seven moms and dads who talk about desperately trying to keep their kids in a safe place so they can grow up without being ex poised to accounts like how to be perfect or how to be thin or some of these things they get exposed to when they just --
6:42 pm
someone who asked about doing a school report on vaping and then started getting ads for vaping equipment. that's a fact. and this shouldn't be happening to young kids. so that's part of it. the other part of it is what was just revealed today in the "new york times" and elsewhere, and, of course, a lot of reporting from the "wall street journal," cnn, on all of this is what it did to it demo it -- its democr fact that they put 6% down, when it turned out to be 5%. the research of a woman from north carolina who simply says she's a fan of melania trump. okay. but then she starts getting qanon content. we've all known this. anyone who has facebook accounts for politics, news or the like
6:43 pm
knows this, but it's effectively hurting our democracy. >> so their concept is free speech and the brothers and sisters on the right will say, you just want to censor them more. >> you want free speech, right? but there's a difference in someone in a crowded room yelling "fire." that is not free speech. it would be like a multiplex theater put speakers in every one of their theaters and broadcast it. they would be liable for that. so we ever algorithms that you need to have transparency and we need to make sure researchers can access them, then we have to look at the liabilities for that. the second big bucket things, privacy act. the fact we don't have a privacy law has hindered us, and it's because they have made so much
6:44 pm
money off americans because there is no rules of the road for privacy. i know this has been a subject before of some discussions, with you, me and others, trying to allow the marketplace to developal adevelop al tternatives with bells and whistles. the words of mark zucker fwberg mail that he would rather buy than compete. the government allows them to do that. the end must come and that means making our laws more sophisticated and investing in our agencies and doing what joe biden is doing, people who will take this on in a serious way. z >> the big challenge will be any kind of collective will, but then you have to enforce it. you and i, i'm much older than
6:45 pm
you are, senator, but we remember when the conversation was about stocks and securities, and how can we really regulate training, it's so complicated. that was stone age compared to what these people are doing. you're fighting the good fight, you're doing the work of the people, so stay on it, senator. >> i will note my bill has 11 different senators on it and it includes people like chuck grassley, dick durbin, lindsey graham and corey booker. we have half democrats, half republicans. there is starting to be bipartisan work in this area, and that's really important to get this done. >> good luck. >> okay. thank you. >> take care, senator. one of the biggest tests of joe biden's presidency is coming, and it's not about washington infighting. are we head sed into a new cold war with china? in fact, i would suggest a better question. are we there already? let's bring in someone who helps us understand what biden is facing when he faces the world
6:46 pm
at the g-20 coming up this week. what is the challenge, next. it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair.
6:47 pm
in 2016, i was working at the amazon warehouse when my brother passed away. and a couple of years later, my mother passed away. after taking care of them, i knew that i really wanted to become a nurse. amazon helped me with training and tuition. today, i'm a medical assistant and i'm studying to become a registered nurse. in filipino: you'll always be in my heart.
6:48 pm
you could email an urgent question to lisa in marketing. and a follow up. and a “did you see my email?” text. orrrr... you could see her status in slack. and give lisa a break while you find someone online who can help. slack. where the future works.
6:49 pm
the best things america makes are the things america makes out here. the history she writes in her clear blue skies. the legends she births on hometown fields. and the future she promises. when we made grand wagoneer, proudly assembled in america, we knew no object would ever rank with the best things in this country. but we believed we could make something worthy of their spirit.
6:50 pm
as president biden joins world leaders in rome for the g 20 and a climate summit in glasgow summit this week, a player will be notably absent but looming large nonetheless. china. tensions with the super power have been building. ex ert manies point to some of china's actions as evidence of a new cold war. like what? well, the country launched a nuclear capable hyper sonic missile launched three more astronauts to its space station, ratcheted up the intrusions on taijuan's air space and managed the release of a top executive for two canadians and two americans on what looked like a prisoner swap. what should we make of this? let's bring in global politics
6:51 pm
expert ian bremer. good to see you. first, is there an urgency? >> there is an importance. this is by far the most powerful country in the world except for the united states and we agree on very little. there is virtually no trust. i wouldn't say there is urgency in the sense that there is no impending crisis that is imminent but clearly, if you're talking about where foreign policy priorities are for the united states around the world, china is clearly number one right now. >> cold war, media hype or is that a functional reality or future prospect? >> it's right now media hype. it could be a future prospect but we're not close to it. it's important to recognize that these two countries need each other immensely. the amount of economic dependence between the united states and china is overwhelming and our banks, our corporations, i mean, they are most of them,
6:52 pm
not only are planning to stay in china but a majority of those in china plan on expanding invest 7 mentes in china. china is by far the most important future market they have around the world, this is a country last likely to be the largest economy in the world by 2030. it's not -- think of it this way, rather than a cold war, it's more a relationship between a husband and a wife where you hate each other. there is no trust but you live with the kids and you both love the kids and as a consequence, it's a deep psychological challenge about how you're going to persist in this household but you're not going to do anything to damage the kid. >> what does this mean for president biden when he faces friends and not so friends at the g 20? >> well, you mentioned that ping isn't coming but ping didn't come to see putin in the shanghai cooperation. ping has not left china since
6:53 pm
january of 2020 because they have zero tolerance around covid and their vaccines don't work very well. the same way that the americans right now are overwhelmingly prioritizing trying to get a couple trillion through and improve biden's performance so they don't lose both houses. we talked about how the chinese were doing a marshal plan around the world, the last five years, their external invest ments are down 80%. they have really big challenges through a financial crisis, this ever grand real estate thing that's blown up. they have big energy shortages so they've had to do rationing and that's causing our prices to go up on goods because they can't get the supply chain working the way it should. their problems internally are easily as distracting as ours are. frankly, you may not like this as an answer but to the extent we're not heading toward as cold
6:54 pm
war, it's largely because things are so messed up for both countries. we beat on each other, we're not up for a fight. >> well, that's for sure. what do you think about how president biden has handled china as opposed to his predecessor? >> you know, it's interesting. he's made a lot of mistakes on foreign policy around the world but china is really not one of them. american european allies really mistrust biden because of the way he handled afghanistan and handled not allowing them to travel to the u.s. through covid. america's asian allies feel like the united states can be counted on. you think about the quad for example, this new diplomatic engagement with the indians, australians and japanese all countries that want to see more united states in their backyard because they're worried about china. that relationship is going well. the announcement of this august deal which you saw really antagonized the french and
6:55 pm
antagonized the chinese more but uaustralians really wanted it because they launched a trade war against australia. when you talked about the asian allies and this pivot towards the region because people are concerned that china is getting too strong and not aligned with the rules of engagement that the americans and our allies have been living with for decades now, largely speaking the asian allies are pretty happy with the biden administration now. >> so, this is a good test for the president to see how he can operate in this setting and control outcomes in terms of change of disposition towards him in the united states. i'll be there. we'll be watching. ian bremer, thank you very much. we'll take a quick break and come back with the handoff. i always protect my voice. it's how i make my living. and you and i make a country with our voices.
6:56 pm
your vote is your voice. but more than ever, our freedom to vote is under attack. so please: call congress. tell them to pass the freedom to vote act. to protect our ability to have our say on the issues that matter most. so, let's pass the freedom to vote act and protect all our voices. ♪ i like it, i love it, i want some more of it♪ ♪i try so hard, i can't rise above it♪ ♪don't know what it is 'bout that little gal's lovin'♪ ♪but i like it, i love it♪ applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.
6:57 pm
this... is the planning effect. this is how it feels to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. this is what it's like to have a comprehensive wealth plan with tax-smart investing strategies designed to help you keep more of what you earn. and set aside more for things like healthcare, or whatever comes down the road. this is "the planning effect" from fidelity. bogeys on your six, limu. they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual so they only pay for what they need. woooooooooooooo... we are not getting you a helicopter. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
6:58 pm
moving is a handful. no kidding! fortunately, xfinity makes moving easy. easy? -easy? switch your xfinity services to your new address online in about a minute. that was easy. i know, right? and even save with special offers just for movers. really? yep! so while you handle that, you can keep your internet and all those shows you love, and save money while you're at it with special offers just for movers at xfinity.com/moving.
6:59 pm
all right, listen, don't
7:00 pm
take things the wrong way. when it comes to social media we want free expression and to see a marketplace of ideas but there has to be a balance of rights and responsibilities. this isn't a legal question. oh, you know you can. it's about how you do it. we can do better. enough on the problem. what is the fix? thank you for watching. "don lemon tonight" with the big star d. lemon right now. >> what is the fix? the fix isn't facebook regulating itself, right? it has been, it has shown itself incapable of doing that thus far from the criticism, all of the misinformation or disinformation that came during the last campaign and the one before that. so what is the fix? i think the fix is going to have to be some sort of regulation and i'm not talking about censorship. most companies, most entities, most institutions have some degree of regulation on them, why should facebook or any other

48 Views

info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on