Skip to main content

tv   Erin Burnett Out Front  CNN  October 25, 2021 4:00pm-5:00pm PDT

4:00 pm
officials have not publicly discussed retaliation and analysts say they likely wouldn't discuss it, but cybersecurity experts say american cyberwarriors almost certainly are going to be targeting the russians in response to this one, wolf. >> significant development. prooin todd reporting, thank you, very very much and to our viewers, thanks for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfront next. breaking news. facebook's ceo mark zuckerberg offering a full-throated defense as his company faces its biggest crisis in its history. accused of failing to stop the spread of extremism on its platform to make for money. plus, the president pulling out all the stops tochbt to save his domestic agenda but can he get the moderate hold-outs to go along with his massive spending bill. disturbing new details emerging tonight about the assistant director who handed a gun to alec baldwin. why he was fired from a prior
4:01 pm
movie. let's go outfront. and good evening. i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, the breaking news. facebook ceo mark zuckerberg on the defense. moments ago, zuckerberg on an earnings conference call speaking to investors, addressed the thousands of pages of leaked internal documents which paint a damning picture of the company's problems. from promoting extremism to human trafficking and here's what he just said on the call. i am quoting mark zuckerberg. good-faith criticism helping us get better but my view is that we are seeing a coordinated effort to selectively use leaked documents to paint a false picture of our company. the leaked documents he is talking about are known as the facebook papers. and they were originally leaked by whistle-blower frances haugen. they offer a disturbing look inside the social media giant because among the allegations of haugen's is that facebook struggled to regulate hate speech and misinformation, which eventually helped spur the deadly insurrection on january 6th were done in part because they profited from all that
4:02 pm
stuff being there. the platform, also, of course, now, allegedly they are seeing more use by human traffickers. according to reports, zuckerberg now claims he is retooling the company away from older users saying it will make quote serving young adults our north star. let me just point the obvious here. that when you are in a company making billions and billions of dollars and you say all the sudden, we are going to age cut off and not do anything with those people, that is like a business model implosion. right? talk about losing money. all right. facebook is now trying to put the genie back into the bottle but the damage is done. the lies about the lek election have taken on a life of their own. and today, haugen warning of another january 6th like event, unless facebook takes much more drastic steps. >> i have no doubt that the like the events we are seeing around the world things like myanmar and ethiopia, those are the opening chapters so if facebook comes back and says only a tiny sliver of content on our platform is hate or evenly a tiny sliver violence, i don't know if i trust those numbers but, two, it gets
4:03 pm
hyperconcentrated in, you know, 5% of the population. and you only need 3% of the population on the streets to have a revolution. she warns of a revolution and when you hear zuckerberg's full-throated defense of the company, it doesn't appear he is willing to make that many changes because, according to haugen, there is only one thing that matters to zuckerberg and that's the bottom line. >> the thing i saw at facebook over and over again was there were conflicts of interest between what was good for the public and what was good for facebook. and facebook, over and over again, chose to optimize for its own interests, like making more money. >> so, when you look at that history, just think about this, just put some numbers out there. if they are going to focus on young people. right now, 3% of their users are the ages of 13 and 17. 18% are between 35 and 44 which you are getting up there into the old range, right? i mean, you are though throwing away huge parts you have your business. it's not going to be that easy. alex marquardt is outfront.
4:04 pm
so, alex, what else do these facebook papers show about the company's role in january 6th? >> well, erin, these thousands and thousands of -- of pages that were leaked by this facebook whistle-blower show the employees of facebook were well aware the platform they work for was helping fuel hate and the potential for political violence, as well as misinformation and not just around the election last november and the violent insurrection in january that followed but well before that. erin, after january 6th, we did hear from cheryl sandberg, the coo of facebook, and she said at the time that she was aware that some of this violence had been organized online but that it was largely on platforms that were less regulated, that had fewer standards and less of an ability to stop hate than facebook. but now, what we are seeing from these facebook employees is that they believe that facebook was largely unprepared for what was to come. and that they really didn't take any sort of action against the stop the steal movement that
4:05 pm
came about after the election until it turned violent. one of the facebook employees said that the response from the company had been piecemeal. essentially, that the approach they had taken was whack a mole. they were taking down individuals and groups and failing to see this as a much larger movement and so when these executives started speaking out internally and externally, defensively, about facebook after january 6th, a number of facebook employees also responded. i want to read you a quote from one of them pushing back saying, all due respect, but haven't we had enough time to figure out how to manage discourse without enabling violence? we have been fueling this fire for a long time, and we shouldn't be surprised it's now out of control. another, erin, wrote history will not judge us kindly. this is, arguably, erin, the biggest -- one of the biggest, if not the biggest crisis facebook has ever faced in its existence. >> >> i want to go now to senior political analyst, john avlon. he is a former federal
4:06 pm
prosecutor. i mean, sorry, and fworm former federal prosecutor. many things but not a former prosecutor. okay. thanks to both of you. john, i want to, first, mark zuckerberg being defiant tonight and i just read some of what he said but he just said it on an earnings conference call. we were able to obtain the audio so i think hearing the tone matters. here is mark zuckerberg. >> good-faith criticism helps us get better. but my view is that what we are seeing is a coordinated effort to selectively use leaked documents to paint a false picture of our company. the reality is that we have an open culture where we encourage discussion and research about our work so we can make progress on many complex issues that are not specific to just us. >> so -- so, john, i mean, you know, he was obviously very defensive there. we are seeing a coordinated effort to selectively leak
4:07 pm
documents to paint a false picture of the company. >> the good-faith criticism is coming from within his company. and these files are not simply comments from former employees. it's internal research. internal data. all leading to a very clear conclusion that its own algorithms and the economic incentives created by those alg i thi algorithms is elevating the most negative content and comments in people's feeds. that is a huge problem not just for facebook and its earnings but for society. and that's the algorithm is something well within his control. >> so, jennifer, you know, here we are. i mean, they are facing obviously the possibility of massive legal action as well, right? so frances haugen, the whistle-blower, she says what facebook did day in and day out was put what was good for profits over what was good for the public, right? they could have pulled some of this back and they did not. how do you prove that? the documents that we have, are those enough? i mean, how do you prove that in -- in -- in a court? >> so, the problem, erin, is that companies like facebook have a lot of protection from
4:08 pm
section 230 of the communications decency act. you can't just sue them, and win by saying, you know, they have a platform that allows extremism. they didn't do enough to fight against their -- the content that their users were posting. you have to have some sort of affirmative action, intentional action on their part where they knew something, and they lied about it. so the whistle-blower has filed a complaint with the securities and exchanges commission. if she can prove and if these documents prove and testimony is the s.e.c. can collect proves that facebook lied in its public filings or to its investors about information that it knew that their platform and their product was dangerous, and that they lie about that, then you can potentially hold them responsible. otherwise, it's very, very difficult just on the basis they did something that was dangerous. >> and, john, today, you have haugen who is in possession of all these documents adamant that if they don't make changes, that she believes more events like january 6th will take place.
4:09 pm
how seriously should we take her warning? >> incredibly seriously. because, look, i think if you look at the way our collective politics have gone insane over the last several years. there are a lot of macrofactors but one of the clear drivers that has made your -- your sort of random aunts and uncles, all the sudden, come to the it can table armed with conspiracy theories and alternative facts is their facebook feed. and i think every case can be made that facebook has hit sort of a big-tobacco moment where their own internal research and data shows they knew this algorithm was a problem and while section 230 should protect platforms from anything some random person might post on their site to a large extent. the algorithms are the decisions of the own companies, and by optimizing for engagement, they en ended up rewarding the most negative and extreme content and that has helped political extremism which has disfigured our democracy. sometimes with deadly results.
4:10 pm
>> jennifer, here is the thing. even before this -- this recent situation with the election, right, and its aftermath, there were murders committed on facebook live. horrific things happening for years they were struggling to deal with and i spoke earlier this month to andy parker. you will know him because his daughter allison was shot and killed on live television while she was doing her job and for years, he has been fighting with facebook to take down videos of her murder. and here's what he told me facebook said when it was committed to removing those videos. mark zuckerberg then denied pushing extreme or hateful content for profit. here's what her dad said. >> he's a liar. it's the same nonsense and the same bs that i've been hearing for five years. oh, yeah, we do. we -- you know, this is not allowed on our -- on our platforms and we are going to do everything we can and yada-yada and that's all you got is lip service and until these companies -- facebook, youtube -- until they are forced
4:11 pm
in a court, you know, through the removal of their protection from liability, they are going to just keep doing the same thing. >> jennifer, does he have a point? >> well, he's exactly right in what he said, which is until their protection is removed, it's not going to be in court, though. it's going to be in congress. i mean, congress can amend or eliminate the protection that they have under section 230 but with that protection, it's very, very hard to sue them for failing to remove something like happened to his daughter. so, he is right but it takes the political will and it takes some work to happen. >> john, quick, final word. we found out about the 41-year-old mother from north carolina. she joined facebook in 2019. president trump, melania trump, she followed those things. two days later, she starts to get recommendations by facebook to join qanon, right? even though -- even though all she did was follow president trump. her feed then becomes full of
4:12 pm
misinformation even though she didn't accept the qanon invitation, right? all the sudden, it becomes a blast of all the vileness. but she was fake. she didn't exist. she was created by facebook for research purposes. so, facebook knew. facebook knew when you sign up and say you like trump, you were getting fed this stuff. they knew it because she was their creation. >> that is exactly right and it's such an important example because here they create this dummy account and she does not opt into these groups that are being recommend today her, these qanon groups. and yet, despite that fact, she becomes inundated with more and more of their content and requests and extremism and so, facebook did know. and that's just one small kmachl but example but it's a particularly damning one. it really is because it shows the algorithm was incentivizing extremism and feeding to people. >> well, i guess she is 41 so maybe she's going to be too old for facebook to care about. although, that would mean getting rid of 18% of their business so not -- that doesn't seem to be the way it will go. thank you, both, very much. i appreciate it. and next, president biden says he wants a deal on his domestic agenda in days.
4:13 pm
but there's still a lot in the air, and i am going to talk to senator chris coons about why he is so optimistic tonight. plus, troubling details emerging about the assistant director who handed alec baldwin the prop gun used in that shooting on set. and a florida election supervisor pushing back on baseless claims of election fraud. so, will he call out the man behind the big lie? topical pain relief ingredient. it's clinically proven, reduces inflammation and comes in original prescription strength. salonpas. it's good medicine. ♪ your new pharmacy is here. to help you compare prices, and save on your medication. amazon prime members get select meds as low as $1 a month. who knew it could be this easy? your new pharmacy is amazon pharmacy. ray loves vacations. but his diabetes never seemed to take one. everything felt like a 'no'. everything. but then ray went from no to know. with freestyle libre 2,
4:14 pm
now he knows his glucose levels when he needs to. and... when he wants to. so ray... can be ray. take the mystery out of your glucose levels, and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free. visit freestylelibre.us you have always loved vicks vapors. and now you'll really love new vicks' vapostick. it goes on clear and dries quickly. no mess. just the soothing vicks' vapor for the whole family. introducing new vicks vapostick.
4:15 pm
bipolar depression. it made me feel like i was trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of people living with bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place... ...and be hard to manage. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. latuda is not for everyone. call your doctor about unusual mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. elderly dementia patients on latuda have an increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about fever, stiff muscles, and confusion, as these may be life threatening... ...or uncontrollable muscle movements, as these may be permanent. these are not all the serious side effects. now i'm back where i belong. ask your doctor about latuda and pay as little as $0
4:16 pm
for your first prescription. tonight, president biden's race to rescue his agenda.
4:17 pm
the president clear today that he wants a deal on his spending bill before he heads overseas, in just a few days. >> do you want a plan -- a deal by the time you leave for cop? is this something you have expressed to democrats? >> that's -- that's my hope. >> it's his hope. but is it a false one? and plus, the framework's really different than an actual deal, right? i mean, moderate senator joe manchin whose support could make or break the president's agenda said there could be a deal in just days. but what does that mean? the president initially wanted $3.5 trillion. that was a compromise off of 6.5 trillion. now, according to a source, it's down to 1.75 trillion but manchin hasn't moved a millimeter. he is at the same place he's always been. >> 1.75 too much for top line? is 1.75 too much? >> still 1.5, guys. >> i'm at 1.5, guys. i haven't moved. you forget? i haven't moved one millimeter.
4:18 pm
everyone came down from 6 preponderate 5 to bell we'll see. manchin said he was fine with it being nothing. senator chris coons, whom i will speak to in just a moment was in the room at the time. this very public back and forthcoming at a particularly tough time for the president. the only president to have a lower approval rating than biden at this point in a presidency is actually donald j. trump and by the way, this includes every single president since gallup started keeping records which takes you all the way back to dwight eisenhower. phil mattingly is outfront at the white house. and it's what's in the bill and what's out and a heck of a lot has come out and how they are going to pay for what is still going to be in if they agree on what's in, all up in the air. so you could get a framework but it might be pretty meaningless. what is the white house thinking about whether they get anything done before the president goes on his trip? >> erin, other a than those things you listed, everything is going wonderfully.
4:19 pm
the reality is, one, they are very clear eyed about the stakes of this moment and i think that's been a driving force behind the president's decision to very clearly shift into an effort to close the deal. it's untdeniable over the cours of the last seven or eight days how the president and his team have changed how they have been operating behind closed doors. we talk to white house officials at this moment in time given the negotiations that are basically moving at a 24/7 pace, they are more at a head down grind it out pace. they certainly feel like they are closer to a deal than they have ever been. however, they also acknowledge that it would be a heavy lift to pull something together in just a matter of days. given the scale of the outstanding issues, and whether it's medicare expansion, medicaid expansion, paid leave, all these critical issues that they are trying to iron out with senator joe manchin or, in particular, on the revenue side with senator kyrsten sinema. given where democrats have moved on the revenue side. considering right now, tax on unrealized assets for billionaires that would be applied annually.
4:20 pm
something there really isn't a lot of precedent for. it only applies to about 700 or 8 00 tax payers. now, the ron wyden has been working on this for two years but the idea of pulling something out of a white paper turning it into legislative text, socializing it with your members, making sure that it's legal, making sure that it can be implemented, making sure it can be enforced. making sure you can actually tax assets like artwork, all of those are open questions they need to resolve in basically 24 to 48 hours so it is a very complicated moment, erin, but one white house officials think there is an outcome to be had. just not totally sure whether, yet. >> aside from all that, it's all fine, right? thanks, phil. outfront now, democratic senator chris coons, he is a longtime ally of president biden and now fills senate seat from delaware that biden once held. so, senator, i know you had a chance today. you had a conversation with senator manchin. you know, he is still publicly saying he is at $1.5 trillion.
4:21 pm
is that what you take away from your conversation? >> what i heard from senator manchin was that he and president biden had a very positive, very purposeful conversation over the weekend as i think we all know. and i reminded him of the urgency of this week and the timing. president biden goes to the g20, and to the glasgow global climate conference. and it will make a significant difference, if we can get to an arrangement here where the infrastructure bill moves forward on the house, and where there is a framework for the build back better bill. um, both of them would make historic investments. in programs like pre-k and childcare and in combatting climate. >> so, you know, i know, though, you were also in a meeting last week between manchin and sanders. and when you -- you were talking to "axios" about that. you know, you talk about the vigorous discussion where manchin's basically like i'm fine with zero, with a goose egg. and bernie says $6 trillion. so, do you really -- i mean, do you really believe that, you
4:22 pm
know, everyone's just going to come down to where manchin is if he doesn't move at all, everybody else moves and that's going to be the way this goes? >> erin, i'm still optimistic that because there is consensus in our caucus about the need for middle-class families to get more support, to get more help so they can get back to work. whether that's in paid family leave or in support for the cost of daycare or in support for pre-k, that is something we can come together around. i do think the topline is going to be closer to 2 trillion than to the 3.5 trillion that we crafted a bill imagining back in august. but frankly, even at 2 trillion, this would be an historic investment in these critical social needs that have gone unmet for too long. >> but you believe that manchin is going to move from today saying i'm still at 1.5 to 2? you got that feeling? >> i am hopeful that both senator manchin and senator sinema will move on a variety of things. on prescription drug price negotiation. on raising the revenue through changes in our tax policy to pay for this whole program.
4:23 pm
and in supporting the things we all agree on, which is the need to help families and to help support them as they try to get back to work following the pandemic by supporting things like pre-k and childcare. >> well, i'm glad you bring up, of course, senator sinema because we are talking about, you know, senator manchin, he's had his very specific issues. senator sinema's issues have been somewhat less defined, obviously. but also, different. right? and you talk about paying for this. senator sinema has said taxing the working wealthy and corporations are off the table. now, i know there is talk of resurrecting something senator wyden's been working on for a long time as sort of a wealth tax for billionaires. but wyden's been working on this idea for two years. they don't, yet, have legislative language, yet. and so, it's unclear how much it would raise, how it would be doable. so, is there really going to a pay for in this bill? >> i think all of us agree that we should be raising the revenue to pay for this so that we are not adding to the deficit. that's been a core principle
4:24 pm
that senator manchin has asserted over and over. and i do think that senator sinema's had constructive conversations with chairman neil in the house and chairman wyden here in the senate. there are things we can do to close the tax gap. there are hundreds of billions of dollars in unpaid taxes that the irs, with some additional tools, could help collect on behalf of the american people. um, i hope that she will come around on raising the corporate rate back to 25 because i think that's got broad support not just in our caucus but among average americans. um, it is less untested and less unpredictable than doing a new wealth tax. but both, senator manchin and senator sinema have said, publicly and privately, they want to find a way to raise the revenue to pay for this important package that will move us forward in terms of america's working families. >> we will see what happens with senator manchin, thank you so much senator coops, appreciate your time. senator coons adamant that senator manchin will come above
4:25 pm
1.5 trillion. we will see outfront next. biden's stalled agenda has now become a major factor in virginia's crucial race for governor that is forcing democrats to bring in the biggest names they can. and new eyewitness accounts of the moments leading up to the accidental deadly shooting by alec baldwin. so, what exactly happened?
4:26 pm
i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! ( sighs wearily ) here, i'll take that! ( excited yell ) woo-hoo! ensure max protein. with thirty grams of protein, one-gram of sugar, and nutrients to support immune health! ( abbot sonic ) discover card i just got my cashback match is this for real? yup! we match all the cash back new card members earn at the end of their first year automatically woo! i got my mo-ney! it's hard to contain yourself isn't it? uh- huh! well let it go! woooo! get a dollar for dollar match at the end of your first year. only from discover.
4:27 pm
the sleep number 360 smart bed is on sale now. it's the most comfortable, dually-adjustable, foot-warming, temperature-balancing, proven quality night sleep we've ever made. save up to $1,000 on select sleep number 360 smart beds and adjustable bases. plus, free premium delivery when you add a base. ends monday. moving is a handful.
4:28 pm
no kidding! fortunately, xfinity makes moving easy. easy? -easy? switch your xfinity services to your new address online in about a minute. that was easy. i know, right? and even save with special offers just for movers. really? yep! so while you handle that, you can keep your internet and all those shows you love, and save money while you're at it with special offers just for movers at xfinity.com/moving.
4:29 pm
tonight, cnn learning the assistant director who handed a gun to alec baldwin was fired from a prior movie just in 2019 after a crew member was hurt in a gun incident. and it comes as new details emerge about the chaotic moments before and after baldwin discharged his prop firearm killing one crew member, and injuring the director. lucy kafanov is outfront. >> reporter: tonight, the first eyewitness descriptions of the fatal moment when alec baldwin pulled the gun from his holster on that new mexico movie set killing the film's director of photography, 42-year-old halyna hutchins. >> two people accidentally shot on a movie set by a prop gun. we need help immediately. >> reporter: court documents released sunday revealing
4:30 pm
chilling new details of what happened inside the building on that fateful thursday. the film's director, joel souza, telling investigators that bal baldwin was sitting on a wooden pew during rehearsal, and pointing the revolver toward the camera lepz. souza who was wounded said he was looking over the shoulder when he heard what sounded like a whip and loud pop. hutchins was shot in the chest. souza telling investigators the cinematographer began to stumble backwards and a cameraman on the set remembered her saying she couldn't feel her legs. the affidavit reveals it was the film assistant director and not the armorer who handed baldwin the prop weapon yelling cold gun, indicating it was safe. >> something strikes me as odd was where was the armorer during this time? was she unaware? did she step off to the restroom for a moment? that first ad should never reach for a gun on set. it's unheard of.
4:31 pm
>> reporter: recently, said she worked as head armor on a another film for the first time. >> like, by all means, i am still learning. i think loading blanks is, like, the scariest thing to me because i was like, oh, i don't know anything about it. >> reporter: discussing her previous experience on a podcast. >> i was really nervous about it, at first. and i almost didn't take the job because i wasn't sure if i was ready. >> reporter: two people who worked closely with the assistant director, dave halls, tell cnn he was the subject of complaints over safety and his behavior on set during two productions in 2019, including a disregard for weapons safety protocols, a failure to hold safety meetings, or to announce the presence of a firearm on set. cnn has learned halls was, previously, fired from another film after a crew member was injured in a gun incident according to rocket soul studios. neither halls, nor gutierrez, responded to a cnn request for comment. no charges have been filed as the investigation continues. hutchins' son and husband were seen alongside baldwin in santa
4:32 pm
fe on saturday. her husband, posting these family photos on instagram writing we miss you. >> producer, which alec baldwin is, ultimately, will share some liability. alec baldwin is facing a situation in which he is the person who has the weapon in his hand at the time it discharges, and he is also a producer on the set who is responsible for everyone on the set. >> this evening is going to be about halyna. >> a candlelight vigil. many of the mourners, part of the film and television industry. >> there was grief tonight as people mourn the passing of 42-year-old halyna hutchins. but there is also outrage and unanswered questions about how this tragedy, how this senseless shooting could have taken place. >> i just hope all this talking does something and we -- we get the changes that we need for a safe set. i'm sure you know we were about to strike this past monday for safer conditions, and if the world didn't believe us about
4:33 pm
what's going on, maybe they believe us now. >> people should be able to go home after performing their job. >> yeah. a child should have a mother. >> reporter: well, erin, the sheriff's office told us they expect to update the public on wednesday. meanwhile, the production team behind the movie "rust" says they are conducting an internal review of safety protocols in a letter sent to cast and crew, they also announced that they will pause filming on this production at least until this investigation is complete. erin. >> all right, lucy, thank you very much. and i want to go now to joseph fisher, he works as a prop master on movie sets. joseph, you really understand all the details here. and, you know, you heard lucy go through the moment that led up to the shooting where alec baldwin was practicing a cross-draw. the gun then discharged. now, investigators are still waiting on the forensic report to understand and identify
4:34 pm
exactly what type of projectile was fired. but when you look at all of the details that we know, how do you think this happened? >> good evening, erin. it's hard to say until we actually get all the forensic evidence back in. what i'm going to use here, for demonstration purposes, is a prop. it is not a real firearm. but it functions and works exactly like one. with the revolver like what alec baldwin was using, there are chambers. there is the possibility that there was a piece of debris stuck in the chamber or in the barrel. and if the weapon wasn't checked properly before it was brought to set, there's a very good chance that that projectile is what exited the barrel if it was not a live round. and that's something that we'll find out soon, i hope. >> i think is really crucial because you are pointlining out
4:35 pm
doesn't need to be a live round because the gun would be able to -- just the speed, right, that the projectile itself would function as -- as a -- a bullet, in essence. now, we have learned, to your point about whether it was checked, that the assistant direct or on this film, dave halls, had been fired for a gun incident in 2019 that injured a crew member. and that year, someone who worked with him on another project complained he consistently failed to announce the presence of a firearm on set. so, what do you make of the fact that -- that this is the person who handed the gun over to alec baldwin, given this history such that we have it? >> the fact that the assistant director was the one handing the firearm to the actor is a huge breach in protocol. anytime you are on set, if there's any firearms, it should be the responsibility of eitheither the armorer if they are there or the prop master who is the second in line. props. when it comes to weapons on a film set are treated almost the
4:36 pm
same way we would in law enforcement where there is a chain of custody, and it has to be followed and that is to ensure the safety of everybody on set. >> so let me just ask you, joseph, because i know one tv series is now banning the use of live weapons on set. that's the rookie on abc and they sent a letter to crew and cast mandating the use of air soft guns. saying any risk is too much. i'm thinking to brandon lee, right, 1993. um, you know, i can't believe that this could still happen just as a layperson with all the technology that exists today, whether it be in -- in -- in -- in putting in the sound in post, right, as opposed to actually having to have it there. i mean, you ehave got so much technology. why is there still any reason for a live gun on set? >> there really -- it comes down to the director. what the director's looking for. what i am also going to demonstrate now is also a prop. it is not a real firearm. this is a 9 millimeter.
4:37 pm
this is pretty much what they would be using on the rookie. this works and functions just like the real weapons do. insert a magazine. slide it. and fire it. in postproduction, they would be able to do the muzzle flash. they would be able to do the smoke. they would be able to do the ejecting shell from the firearm. so, theoretically, no, you do not need to use blanks. it adds an aesthetic to it, and it assists the actor in performing. but if you work with the actor for a little bit ahead of time, you can get the wrist motion in to synchronize with the bang that these gas guns do make. >> all right. well, joseph, i really appreciate it. thank you so much for showing us those. makes a huge difference understanding it. thank you. >> thank you. >> as i said, joseph fisher is a prop master on movie sets. and next, a florida election supervisor pushing back against the big lie. saying america's democracy is being challenged by misinformation and disinformation. so, will he call out the person
4:38 pm
responsible for all of this starting in the first place? plus, two crucial governor races in new jersey and virginia narrowing drastically and that has the democrats now bringing out what they believe are their biggest political stars. is struggling to manage your type 2 diabetes knocking you out of your zone? lowering your a1c with once-weekly ozempic® can help you get back in it. oh, oh, oh, ozempic®! my zone... lowering my a1c, cv risk, and losing some weight... now, back to the game! ozempic® is proven to lower a1c. most people who took ozempic® reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. and you may lose weight. adults lost on average up to 12 pounds. in adults also with known heart disease, ozempic® lowers the risk
4:39 pm
of major cardiovascular events such as heart attack, stroke, or death. ozempic® helped me get back in my type 2 diabetes zone. ozempic® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't share needles or pens, or reuse needles. don't take ozempic® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop ozempic® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction. serious side effects may include pancreatitis. tell your provider about vision problems or changes. taking ozempic® with a sulfonylurea or insulin may increase low blood sugar risk. side effects like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea may lead to dehydration, which may worsen kidney problems. looking to get back in your type 2 diabetes zone? ask your health care provider today about once-weekly ozempic®. oh, oh, oh, ozempic®! you may pay as little as $25 for a 3-month prescription.
4:40 pm
introducing fidelity income planning. we look at how much you've saved, how much you'll need, and build a straightforward plan to generate income, even when you're not working. a plan that gives you the chance to grow your savings and create cash flow that lasts. along the way, we'll give you ways to be tax efficient. and you can start, stop or adjust your plan at any time without the unnecessary fees. talk to us today, so we can help you go from saving...to living.
4:41 pm
4:42 pm
tonight, florida elections supervisors writing an open letter to voters pushing back on baseless claims of election fraud in the 2020 election, and warning quote the integrity of our democracy has been challenged by misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation that shows discord and undermines trust in american's electoral process. it comes as these elections officials including my next guest -- a republican -- are urging politicians from both parties to denounce these lies and stand up for democracy. marion county elections supervisor and president of florida's supervisors of elections. so, i appreciate your time, and, you know, we all appreciate you standing up and speaking out like this. so, the vast majority of baseless-fraud claims are being made, of course, by republicans. spurred on by the former president. i did notice, though, that your statements do not mention him by name even though he is the
4:43 pm
reason that they are, you know, saying these things and empowered to say these things, in the first place. how come? why did you make that decision? >> first off, thank you very much, erin, for having me here this evening. i -- i feel there is no single person or group that's responsible for the -- this misinformation. i think it's originating from -- from a multitude of sources. and as supervisors, you know, we stay out of the politics and just focus on doing our job. our message is that this misinformation or disinformation, mal-information, whichever the -- the three you wish to classify it -- just makes it harder for us to do that job. which is basically just enabling citizens to choose their leader through secure and transparent election which, as we all know, is the foundation of our democracy. >> absolutely and look, let me just say, first, where -- where you have a point, right? it has metastasized much far -- beyond president trump, right, from multiple sources. i hear you there.
4:44 pm
however, the original cancer was president trump, right? and -- and let me just -- let me just play for you, some things he has said. we spoke to florida voters, right? and it is clear that they believe some of the very specific theories about a rigged election put out by the former president. here's trump and here's the voters. >> we were winning everything and all of a sudden, it was just called off. >> i just need to still have somebody explain to me why everything was shut down at around 11, 11:30 on the election night. >> they went to the table with the black robe. the black shield. and they pulled out the votes. >> why would they have all those ballots hidden under tables? >> they are repeating trump. like, if he came out today and he said, you know what? i'm so sorry, i'm a patriot and i am completely doing horrible things to this country. i lost fair and square. he matters a whole lot more than the guys you are calling out because he's the one who started it. do you not agree with me?
4:45 pm
or you just don't think it's productive to put it in your letter? >> first off, let me -- let me state that i believe there is a clip from about four or five weeks ago where former-president trump said the way florida collect -- conducted the election, we conducted it clean. and i have seen that clip. so, you know, for me to -- to actually characterize, you know, some of the other areas across there i think is unfair. you know, and in the state of florida, the vast majority of us were all home by 11:00, and pretty much done with our election. so, some of the other comments out of other states, you know, it's just unfair for me to comment upon them. >> i mean, of course, trump did win florida by more than 370,000 votes. so, i think, certainly, he thinks that's -- you know, that one was probably fine, right? i mean, you had a very wide margin there. i mean, let me just ask you this. since last thursday, supervisor, trump has sent out four
4:46 pm
statements every single one of them has a lie about the 2020 election and how it was stolen from him. even in statements that he has put out about supply chain issues or megan mccain, he said the insurrection took place on election day, right? on november 6th. and that -- that -- that -- these are the statements he's put out. this is just in the past few days. so, i mean, does that not have any play in what you are worried about that he is continuing to say those things? >> i'm sure it has some effect on it. but i will tell you honestly, over the last four or five days, i personally have not heard of any of his statements because i've been focused on the statement that we made. and the statement that we made is that we need to focus on conducting elections and ensuring that our democracy carries forth. and basically, stop the misinformation because if i, the supervisor of elections here in marion county, florida, you know, if i don't do my job and do it very well, there's -- you
4:47 pm
know, there -- none of the elected officials that are here can -- can legitimately say that they've been elected. so, elections rely upon us, the elections professionals, doing our jobs, and doing them very well. we want to ensure that our public is -- is -- is comfortable. it's secure with everything that we do. you know? so that's -- that's our message and we're going to stay on point that we conduct secure and transparent elections. >> all right. well, supervisor wilcox, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> i appreciate it. thank you, ma'am. >> all right. and next, the governor's race in virginia has become a tight contest. much closer than democrats would like. and that has the party's biggest stars warning of dire consequences tonight.
4:48 pm
what makes new salonpas arthritis gel so good for arthritis pain? salonpas contains the most prescribed topical pain relief ingredient. it's clinically proven, reduces inflammation and comes in original prescription strength. salonpas. it's good medicine. everything you've seen me do was made possible by what you don't see. cause when you're not looking, i go to work. ♪ strength isn't a given. it's grown.
4:49 pm
it's earned and tested. ♪ we all have the strength to see what's possible. it's up to us to unlock it. tonal. be your strongest. ray loves vacations. but his diabetes never seemed to take one. everything felt like a 'no'. everything. but then ray went from no to know. with freestyle libre 2, now he knows his glucose levels when he needs to. and... when he wants to. so ray... can be ray. take the mystery out of your glucose levels, and lower your a1c. now you know. try it for free. visit freestylelibre.us with directv stream, i can get live tv and on demand together. watch: serena williams... wonder woman.... serena... wonder woman... serena... wonder woman... ♪ ♪ ace. advantage!
4:50 pm
you cannot be serious! ♪ ♪ get your tv together with the best of live and on demand. introducing directv stream. from a pioneer in photographic film to a master of the digital age, we're always searching for new ways to imagine, create and capture your world. but why stop there? when there's so much more we can do. in healthcare, we are revolutionizing diagnostics by applying our imaging expertise and ai technology which aim to enable earlier detection of disease. but why stop there? when we can apply our expertise in cell biology to help make vital vaccines and treatments available to all. and we can focus our research and development on medicines to tackle unmet medical needs, including cancers and infectious diseases. but why stop there? when we can also consider the health of the planet.
4:51 pm
our innovations in data storage are reducing co2 emissions. we'll never stop innovating for a healthier, more sustainable world. fujifilm value from innovation president biden set to hit
4:52 pm
the campaign trail tomorrow with virginia gubernatorial candidate terry mcauliffe as top democrats are trying to flood the state where there's always been early voting with dire warnings. jeff zeleny is outfront. >> but here is the thing. we can't afford to be tired. >> reporter: former-president barack obama trying to wake up democrats eight days before voters in virginia and new jersey send an early signal about the direction of the country. >> there is a mood out there. we see it. there's a politics, a meanness, and division and conflict. of tribalism and -- and cynicism and -- and, you know, we could go down that path, but i tell you, that is the path to ruin. >> reporter: at weekend campaign rallies, obama sounding the alarm hopes of stopping a potential republican resurgence that could be a sign of backlash to president biden and the democratic agenda in congress. the virginia governor's race appears remarkably close with longtime democrat terry mcauliffe locked in a deadheat with republican newcomer, glenn youngkin. >> our nation's future rests in
4:53 pm
virginia's present. all eyes are on virginia. >> reporter: tonight, more than 675,000 virginians have already voted with a full week left in a race that is suddenly a marquee test for the biden administration. the president is set to campaign for mcauliffe on tuesday, the latest in a string of high-profile democrats rushing to the rescue. >> if we don't vote, if you don't turn out on november the 2nd, then remember what you felt like in november of 2016. . >> reporter: democratic star stacey abrams of georgia warning against complacency. urging democrats to recall their feelings when donald trump won the white house. mcauliffe has been making the argument even more explicitly. >> we don't need a lap dog for donald trump as our governor. >> reporter: yet, in a state where trump lost to biden by ten percentage points, young king is more than holding his own. the degree to which trump still motivates voters both for and against him. >> hello, new jersey. >> today, biden visiting new
4:54 pm
jersey to keep pushing his economic agenda that's been caught up in a deep democratic divide in congress. while not an official campaign trip, biden's seeking to elevate democratic governor phil murphy who is also on the ballot next tuesday. >> well, governor murphy, so many of the national challenges we're confronting are areas where you're already leading the. >> reporter: the new jersey race between murphy and republican jack ciatterelli is seen as less competitive than the virginia contest. still, democrats concede they must close the enthusiasm gap. >> our team shows up. we win. our team doesn't show up. this thing is a coins toss. we can't let that happen. >> now, these off-year elections in both virginia and new jersey. the only two states electing governors next month are a sign of things to come for next year's midterms. of course, when president biden comes here to northern virginia tomorrow night to campaign for terry mcauliffe, terry mcauliffe had hoped he would be bringing
4:55 pm
legislation with him on that economic agenda. e erin, that is still not done so that is also hanging over this governor's race. >> jeff, thank you very much. and next, we remember a former-republican attorney general who stood up for the truth and was not afraid to stand up to his own party and trump. th plan across your full financial picture. a plan with tax-smart investing strategies designed to help you keep more of what you earn. this is the planning effect. bipolar depression. it made me feel like i was trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of people living with bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place... ...and be hard to manage. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. latuda is not for everyone. call your doctor about unusual
4:56 pm
mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. elderly dementia patients on latuda have an increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about fever, stiff muscles, and confusion, as these may be life threatening... ...or uncontrollable muscle movements, as these may be permanent. these are not all the serious side effects. now i'm back where i belong. ask your doctor about latuda and pay as little as $0 for your first prescription.
4:57 pm
when you're driving a lincoln, stress seems to evaporate into thin air. which leaves us to wonder, where does it go? does it get tangled up in knots? or fall victim to gravity? or maybe it winds up somewhere over the bermuda triangle. perhaps you'll come up with your own theory of where the stress goes. behind the wheel of a lincoln is a mighty fine place to start.
4:58 pm
4:59 pm
tonight, a former republican who very publicly broke with his own party because of trump and stood up to the big lie has passed away from a reported sudden heart attack. former arizona attorney general grant woods died over the weekend according to his wife. now, woods served as the late senator john mccain's first congressional chief of staff and eventually became arizona's attorney general. in 2018, he broke with the republican party over trump's treatment of mccain and most recently, he took on trump's big lie in a big way. calling arizona's sham audit a, quote, joke, and a, quote, clown show. we talked to woods many times and about three weeks ago, he joined me to discuss why he was calling for an investigation into one of the architects of trump's attempted coup. a lawyer named john eastman. >> looked like some sort of ranting maniac there, and he was saying things that he knew were
5:00 pm
false or should have known were false, and those were reflected, also, in days earlier in the memos that he was writing to the vice president of the united states trying to get him, basically, to have a bloodless coup in this country. >> grant woods was the father of five kids. our thoughts are with the woods' family, at this time with their sudden and terrible loss. grant was only 67 years old. thanks so much for join us. around anderson starts now. good evening, the set of the movie "rust" is dark tonight in more ways than one. in a letter we learned about late today, the production team said it would shut down indefinitely at the new mexico location where alec baldwin fatally shot the film's director of photography, and wounded its director. cnn has new reporting tonight on the assistant director who handed baldwin the fateful gun and just before air time, the los angeles times moved a new item on a veteran hollywood prop master who was offered a job on a film but passed.