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i'm pamela brown in washington. you are live in the cnn newsroom on this sunday. we start with heartbreaking and haunting questions tonight. major safety concerns are emerging from the aftermath of thursday's deadly shooting on the set of alec baldwin's movie "rust." a prop gun that was supposed to be empty killed cinematographer elena hutchins. we are seeing new photos of the actor meeting with her husband and son in new mexico. and cnn has now learned about
past safety complaints against the director, the last person to handle the prop gun before giving it to baldwin. cnn's lucy cavanaugh is in new mexico. >> reporter: pam, they are learning new things about the assistant productor of "rust," sources telling us he had several experiences of safety. they include things like disregard for safety protocols for weapons and pyrotechnics, and also questions about inappropriate sexual behavior. one pyrotechnician who worked with hall on a series, said he failed to announce the presence of a firearm on the set to crew. she told cnn, and i quote, the
only way the crew was made aware of the firearm's presence is because the actors acknowledged it each day. when they did have meetings, he was short and submissive. cnn has reached out to halls for comment. we are still waiting to hear back. yesterday, saturday, was a day of grief and mourning in albuquerque, downtown albuquerque. members of unions representing television and film workers had gathered for a candlelight vigil to honor and mourn the passing of helena hutchins, the cinematographer who tragically lost her life. these are people close to each other in this business. we spoke to one woman who wasn't directly involved with this production, she's a location coordinator, but she said she knew everyone in that room and she was visibly shaken. take a listen.
>> i just hope all this talking does something. i hope my talking with you gets amplified and we get the changes that we need for a safe set. i'm sure you know we were about to strike this past monday for safer conditions, and if the world didn't believe us about what's going on, maybe they believe us now. >> reporter: people should be able to come home after performing their job. >> yeah. a child should have a mother. sorry. >> reporter: a child should have his mother. she was, of course, referring to the son that helena hutchins leaves behind along with her husband. a lot of grief here and a lot of questions about how these safety oversights could have taken place, how the shooting could have happened when the weapon, the prop weapon that was used, was not supposed to be loeaded with anything. pam? >> so many questions. lucy quvenkav kafanov, thank yo.
president biden is hoping to hold a vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill on wednesday or thursday this week. democrats are close to a long sought-after agreement. >> we have 90% of the bill agreed to and written, we just have some of the last decisions to be made. it is less than we had -- was projected to begin with, but it's still bigger than anything we have ever done in terms of addressing the needs of america's working families. >> are you saying in the next week the framework will be agreed to? there will be a deal on the safety net deal -- >> let's all it an agreement. >> there will be an agreement on that, and you will also vote for the bipartisan infrastructure bill? both of those things will happen in the next week. >> that's the plan. >> all right, let's bring in cnn's arlette saenz. she's at the white house. arlette, we are also hearing
about a potential concession for moderate congressman joe manchin. what can you tell us? >> reporter: it's unclear what the larger spending bill will add up to, but manchin has told leaders he's open to a $1.5 trillion price tag. that is a little closer to the $1.9 trillion president biden had quoted. earlier today president biden hosted senator joe manchin and chuck schumer at his home in delaware to talk through some of these negotiations. neces the white house released a readout saying it was a productive conversation, and there will be continued talks of the senator in the white house as well as they're trying to get closer to a deal. house speaker nancy pelosi has said that she thinks they'll be reaching an agreement, or hopes
they'll be reaching an agreement soon, and our colleagues up on the hill report that democratic leaders are hoping they could have a vote on that bipartisan infrastructure plan by wednesday or thursday and an agreement to the larger spending proposal so they can get those progressives on board with that bipartisan infrastructure plan. now, one thing, joe manchin is just one of the holdouts on this bill. we are still waiting to hear exactly what senator krysten sinema's thinking is around this. she has some concerns. she said they were working toward a billionaire tax and maybe that would alleviate some of her concerns, but president biden is really hoping democrats can iron out some type of deal in the coming days. he's heading later this week to a meeting abroad in the g-20 summit and he's hoping for some type of win back here at home. >> arlette saenz at the white house, thank you very much. now let's bring in democratic
chairman denny gomez. he's a member of the republican caucus. thank you for joining me tonight. will you still vote for the infrastructure bill this week if there is a specific agreement on the social safety net bill. is that enough to get you to vote on the infrastructure bill? >> one of the things progressives have always been about is about passing the entire build back better agenda. that's the budget reconciliation bill with all the soft infrastructure spending, child care, child tax credit, housing, the biggest investment in combatting climate change in the history of this country and the infrastructure bill. i met with president biden as well as other progressives last week, and what i said is that we just need certainty when it comes to three things. one, content. what's in it? what is the language, what are are the concessions? two, we need to know there is support, that senators can't backtrack on what they agreed to like they have in the past. and three, what is the process?
if we get certainty on all three, you'll see the caucus as well as others support the bill and agreeing to at least a strong agreement when it comes to the bipartisan -- i mean, when it comes to the budget reconciliation package. >> the bottom line, though, is there are still several sticking points. you heard nancy pelosi say today they are 90% there, but there are some major sticking points, climate, extending the child tax credit, expanding medicare, allowing them to negotiate drug prices. you are telling me if that is not squared away by the time the infrastructure bill is brought for a vote this coming week, you will not be voting in favor of it? >> yeah. of course. because here's the thing. that's what they're working so hard to do, is to reach an agreement on the entire package, to make sure that it's there. a and for people to understand what we're voting on, we want to be voting for something we know is in the package.
in the end, i think we'll get there. i think we'll get clarity and certainty when it comes to the tax credit. we'll get clarity when it comes to paid family leave, if it's in or out. we'll get clarity when it comes to combatting climate change. in the end, this could be a historic investment in all of these things, and i think it will help us have a populist that can compete in the 21st century in a country that could be way better than before. >> but you think that can be sorted in a few days before the infrastructure bill is brought to the floor. you think all those major sticking points will be sorted out by then? >> i honestly do. i think president biden and speaker pe lotlosi understand t that's essential to get people to support it. last week biden said the window is closing on a deal and that's why he called joe manchin to delaware. that's why he's been working the
phones. and in the end, i think the democratic caucus in the house, as well as most of the senators, recognize that if we don't get this done, then the american people will be hurt, not only our political party, but everybody that would benefit from the build back better agenda. >> you heard that joe manchin met with president biden as well as senator schumer. he wants to go with a $1.75 trillion price tag. is that in agreement with you? >> we want to get to an agreement with all those issues, and if it totals 1.75 trillion, we'll support it. it will still be the largest investment in workers and in
families in the history of this country. i'm on the ways and means committee. committee. it would be the largest investment in come batting clime change even if the number were lower. we're going to do what we believe will set the course for this country for the next 50 years. >> i want to play what your governor, gavin newsom, says about the capitol hill debate going on right now. let's listen. >> i have reverence and respect for the president. i'm not here to offer advice unless it's sought. i will observe as a taxpayer that it's covid stupid. this is a $3.5 trillion reconciliation over 10 years, i don't know what reconciliation is, and nobody is getting a damn thing done. of course they're going to blame w whoever is in the executive branch. >> there are two high-stakes
races coming up in virginia, and for the governor's race in virginia, he says people need to septemb accept the covid response when it comes to voters. is it that easy? >> it's a different ball game there than it is in d.c. the elbows are definitely sharper and they're definitely harder, and people have different ideas, right? the california democrat isn't the same as a texas democrat. we have to work harder to bring everybody together. he has to understand, and i think he understands, that we are going to deliver this package. i have no doubt that we're going to get a package that's going to help restore confidence. when we do that, people will start seeing their lives improve when it comes to child care. a lot of reasons why people can't go back to work is that it's hard to find anybody to take care of their child, and if they do, it's too expensive. they're also struggling with housing, they're also struggling
with making sure they have time to take care of a sick family member when they get in trouble. one of the things we're going to do, we're going to get it done. it's not that easy, but it's a different ball game, but we're going to get it done. and when we do, it's going to be time to sell it to the american people and tell them why it's a good thing and how their lives are going to change for the better. >> all right. congressman jimmy gomez, thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. coming up this sunday, wild weather triggering a huge landslide as heavy rain and flash floods batter northern california. and then a cnn investigation revealing how used, soiled surgical gloves are being repackaged as new and then brought into the u.s. also tonight, america on the cusp of emergency authorization for kids' covid vaccines. i'll ask the nhs health director what he's telling parents
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director of the national institutes of health, dr. francis collins. hi, dr. collins. thank you for joining the show again. there are a lot of parents nervous about getting their kids vaccinated. how do you convince them they're safe? >> i would want them to be convinced by the data, because that's what this really is all about. let's look at the evidence of what the safety issue is and what the benefits are, of course, of kids being protected against covid-19. maybe early on in this pandemic, people thought kids didn't have to worry about it too much because they really wouldn't get very sick, and that's still true most of the time, but unfortunately, we have now had more than 500 children die of covid-19. this can be a very serious condition. if you look at the pediatric intensive care units across the country, many of them now are full with kids who have covid. so it's a serious condition for them as well. so on the side of benefits, you
don't want your kid to get that disease. on the other side of benefits, you don't want your kid also to be the one who catches this and spreads it to their friends and adds to the problem keeping the schools open. so there are a lot of reasons to do this. but then parents are going to want to know, is it safe? that's what the fda advisory committee is going to be debating in a very public meeting on tuesday. some of the information they're going to be discussing has already been put on the internet so people can start looking at it. i would say parents ought to look at that discussion, see what the experts are saying. these are people who don't work for the government and they don't work for a company. they're just experts in infectious disease and they'll come forward with their recommendation about whether this is safe and effective for 5 to 11-year-olds. that's fda. then next week cdc's advisory committee will look at the same data and make a recommendation. so we won't really have the
final answer until about november 3rd or 4th. at this point if everybody agrees this is a good thing, and parents look at the information and they agree, too, then kids can start getting immunized before thanksgiving, and that's a good thing. >> how pivotal will that be for kids 5 and up? >> i think it could make a huge difference in getting us past this terrible delta surge that right now has cost so many lives just in the past few months. altogether, of course, covid-19 has cost 750,000 lives, just unimaginable a year ago that it might have gotten to that point. how are we going to end the pandemic? the best way to do so is to have a maximum number of individuals im immune, and that's what vaccines offer you, and if that includes kids, that's all the more reason to send this virus packing so we don't see this going on month after month after month. it would be a very good thing.
it would be pivotal if the judgment is it's safe and effective. i don't want to get ahead of the cdc's and fda's advisory process. let's see what they say, but the data preliminarily looks very good. >> what about those who say this is going to be an endemic, it's not going to go away, we'll be living with this virus in perpetuity. do you agree with that? >> pam, yoi don't think we real know. this virus has been with us now for only 22 months and it's presented a lot of surprises. we didn't expect this to be a virus that was so infectious in people who had no symptoms. we didn't expect it also to have variants like delta that came along and made almost like a completely new pandemic. so i'm hesitant, and i think most of the experts are, to make predictions about what might lie ahead of us another 6 or 12 months from now. certainly possible it might become an endemic, might become more like the flu, we just don't
know. but the best thing we can do to keep it from being where it is now, which is still a very dangerous pandemic, is to get everybody vaccinated. we're talking about 5 to 11-year-olds, but let me just say the 65 million adults who have yet to get vaccinated can also be part of the solution here. i know those folks have been hit with a lot of information, a lot of them from the internet. is it necessarily accurate? i hope they will look at this situation and say, hey, if the kids can get vaccinated, maybe we better do that, too. that would help a lot. >> we shall see. doctor, please stay with us. we have a lot more to discuss. also ahead tonight, extreme weather disrupting travel in parts of california. check out this massive rock slide. boulders too big to move, and we are following it all. america! after the past year-ish,
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i want to continue our conversation with dr. francis collins, the director of the national institutes of health. dr. collins, i want to talk about what has been making some headlines in the last few days, and in what appears to be a major shift, the nhs found out about virus funding in wuhan and they just found out later this year. they said it was a limited experiment and that the mice infected with the modified bat virus became sicker. in may, this is what dr. anthony fauci declared. >> the nih has not ever or does not now fund gain of function
research in the wuhan institute. >> dr. collins, how can he say that when you're just now finding out u.s. tax dollars was being used to pay for this risky research in that wuhan lab two years ago? if you didn't know what was going on, what else do you not know about? >> i'm glad you're asking because this really needs to be clarified. part of the confusion here, pam, is this term "gain of function." in common scientific parlance, gain of function involves all kinds of experiments where you're trying to understand the function of a particular biological cell. for instance, cancer therapy. they're trying to -- >> i just need to be clear. dr. collins, i do need to interrupt. i don't need to get into the nitty-gritty about gain of
function. i know it's manipulating a virus to make it more pathogenic. grant money was given to conduct research in the wuhan lab in violation of the terms of its contract by not immediately notifying the nih of this risky research it's doing. you're just now finding out. so the question is, you know, how can you know what this money is going toward, what kind of research this is going toward in places like wuhan in terms of how u.s. tax dollars was being used? >> wuhan did violate the terms of their grant award. i want to make real clear, pam, that's why i started explaining what this term gain of function means. yes, they did some things they didn't tell us about, but they didn't do the kind of research that requires high level
oversight. that's where the confusion arises. yeah, they messed up. we're going to hold them accountable. they sent us a progress report two years late that they should have sent a while ago, and it had information in it they should have told us about. but let me be clear. this was in no way -- no way -- connected with the advent of sars cov-2 and covid-19. >> we're not saying that. we want to be clear to our viewers there is no allegation here from what we know that the virus used in this experiment two years ago in the wuhan lab is in any way connected to covid-19. >> thank you. >> but what it does show is that there was risky research being conducted in that lab with u.s. taxpayer dollars that the nih was unaware of and is just now finding out. so it raises the question of what other risky experiments could be going on with taxpayer funding that you don't know
about. does that concern you? >> it does. i think in this instance, the particular grantee, which is eco health alliance, failed to follow the terms of their grant award that they should have followed, and they're in some trouble as a result of that. we ask all of our grantees to give us regular progress reports telling us the details of what they're doing, and of course they then publish their results. i don't think there is indication that there is a broad range of this kind of difficulty going on. but this particular grantee is in trouble for not having been completely open and transparent about the work they were doing, and we are very much following up on that, and i guarantee you that will not be ignored. >> and i know you have asked for them to share more documents which i believe the deadline is tomorrow. but isn't this also an oversight failure of the nih? because the nih is responsible for taking taxpayer money and giving these grants. so would you say this is also an oversight failure? >> i'll get into a little bit of
the weeds here. the way that congress gives our authorities, we are able to require performance by the grantee, which is eco health alliance. they had a sub-award to the wuhan institute of biology. we are not permitted to have direct interaction from the sub award. that had to come from eco health. that needs to be changed. we are interested in asking congress to change that, and we're also looking closely at circumstances where progress reports are delayed to see what should be done in that space that perhaps in this instance was not done. so, yes, it's a learning experience for sure. >> why should americans trust you and the nih on the issue of covid origins when you didn't even know about the programs it was funding with taxpayer dollars this china? >> that's a little too strong, pam. we did know exactly what the funding was intended to support in terms of the research on these bad coronaviruses, and the vast, vast majority of what they did was exactly what we had
given them permission to do. in this one instance, they failed to report the results of an experiment they should have told us about immediately. frankly, it's not an experiment that we think has a huge impact on any work that was done, but they missed the opportunity to be as completely responsive as they should have been. please relax here. this is not a circumstance where i think you could say there was a major failure that put human loo lives at risk. it was a mess-up in terms of research they should have followed. >> again, no connection between that and covid-19, and we want to be really clear with our viewers about that, but it certainly raises questions about transparency and oversight by the nih of where this grant money goes. i know it's convoluted, as you point out, but it does raise the question, too, will the nih now pull funding from eco health
alliance? i believe the contract is through 2025, and have they handed over documents they were asked for? >> that funding stopped last year. they are not receiving fuchbding to the national institute of virology. we lifted that a year ago. and yes, we are looking at any unpublished data they told us about. >> just to make sure, you'll let the show know as well if anything comes out. you'll be transparent with anything else that comes snout. >> absolutely, pam. i promise you that. we want to be completely transparent. the last thing that needs to happen is any sense that we're not revealing everything we know. i think there has been a lot of concern, and i understand that, and i guess this is a sensitive area, but we want to be completely clear about what we know and what we've been able to do to respond to the facts that this particular grantee didn't live up to their expectations. >> to be fair, one source told me in congress, they did say that you have been, actually,
really cooperative with them in handing over the information. i do also want to note that. of course, this is just u.s. taxpayer dollars going toward risky research, and i believe every american deserves to know about it. dr. francis collins, thank you for joining us tonight. we do appreciate it. i hope you'll cam back. >> i will, indeed, and based on what you said, i feel totally responsible as a steward of the taxpayers' money. i wouldn't want to be anything but fair and open, so thanks for making that point. >> absolutely. thank you very much, dr. collins. coming up tonight, wild weather triggering a huge landslide as heavy rain and flash floods battle north carolina. you are in the cnn newsroom. yes to new inventions! yes to clean and fresh ingredients! and yes to living life to the flavor-fullest. panera. live your yes. now $1 delivery. what's the #1 retinol brand used most by dermatologists? it's neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair®
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we have in southern california. if you look closely, you'll see the hilltop trees. they have been stripped of all vegetation and the slides come out. on highway 70, it has closed off that route. you can tell the debris is so big that equipment is not even big enough to pull it out of the way, so this is going to last for days. and it is pretty much unprecedented for us to have an atmospheric weather pound california, it is starting to swell up. we have flash flood watches throughout northern california. this is a huge swath, by the way, hundreds of square miles. the rivers are filling up. it's good news in the sense that we have had terrible drought in california. everybody is crossing their fingers hoping we don't get lethal mudslides and that sort of thing. they're all watching the weather
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ideas. >> preeminently accusing your rival of rigging an election is something obama rightly criticized his eventual successor in 2019, and president trump broke out that chestnut in 2020. >> democrats are trying to rig the election because that's the only way they're going to win. the only way they're going to win is to rig it. >> let's start there with political strategist alice stewart and melanie cardona. together they have "the hot mics from left to right." it's easy to argue there are a number of states that make it hard to vote. but do you think president obama saying, "rig the >> you know, i was hoping to --
that you had shown that because i didn't actually hear him say that. but now that i have, and having seen the other place where he is talking about this, he is right because we already saw donald trump and the republicans try to rig the election. they tried to -- actually, they tried to go further. they tried to overturn a fair election. what president obama was trying to say is absolutely true. the big lie has now turned into what the republican party is, which is the big fraud. they feel like -- and this isn't just obama saying it -- they are essentially admitting -- the republican party is admitting -- that they cannot win on the battlefield of ideas with democrats. because if they felt in their heart of hearts that their ideas and their proposals were better than the democrats, and that they could win over majorities of american voters, they would be happy to let everyone who could vote and was eligible to vote, to vote. they would be happy to do as democrats are doing, to make it easier for everyone who is an
eligible citizen to vote. they are making it harder. they are making it harder because they know the only way they can win is to cheat, steal, lie, and rob americans of their right to have their voice heard. >> it's laughable that you are saying what you're saying, simply because obama is making the case that trump made, and you are critical of that. look. everyone just needs to stop with the rigged-election nonsense. we have free and fair elections. the election process was full of integrity back when donald trump won in 2016 and it was free and fair when joe biden won in 2020. and i think just the sheer mention of rigged election plants that campaign chestnut in voters' minds like, well, if the campaigns and the elections aren't fair, then why should i even go out and vote? and we should be telling people to get out and vote. the elections are fair. and your vote does count, and making sure that there is integrity in our election process because the more we talk about rigged elections, it is
distracting people from going out to vote. the problem that obama has is he is campaigning in a state like virginia where terry mcauliffe is in a losing situation. obama is trying to sell something that the people of virginia aren't wanting to buy. and some, he, himself, is bringing up questions about the elections because he doesn't have a good candidate that he is trying to sell to the voters. >> no, what i think what obama is saying -- and i will say to you, alice, i deagree, they shouldn't use the word rigged. they can use words like i just used. the republican party being completely devoid of ideas. being a big fraud because they are pushing the big lie and -- and wanting to push these ridiculous, draconian election laws that are unnecessary, and that the only thing they do is to keep eligible americans -- frankly, americans that they believe would mostly vote for the democrats but that right there, they are admitting a lot of people in this country will not go for their ideas. i wish that's what they would focus on and not use the word
rigged. but, alice, republicans did try to rig this election in 2020. they tried to steal it, and that is the other big-warning sign that -- that not just obama but every single person that is campaigning in virginia, including terry mcauliffe and i wouldn't say he is in a losing position right now. they're neck and neck. but he is making the point, look, this is a -- a -- a really dangerous point in our democracy. and if somebody like glenn youngkin wins, glenn youngkin is donald trump in a moderate's clothing. >> the last thing we need to do, what obama is -- is setting the stage for is having these conversations. so he thinks that gives leverage and more emphasis for democrats, who are trying to nationalize these elections with these federal election laws. that's not what we need to have. we need to continue to have this -- the -- the elections run state by state, which is the way they are executed and the states need to execute -- set up their own laws. and that needs to happen. i was deputy secretary of state in arkansas. we oversaw elections and it needs to be handled at the local and state level, and not at the
federal level. and voter i.d. is a critical component of that. >> i want to talk about this. because you bring up, you know, being done at the state level. that is a republican principle, of course. and let's talk about ideas, too, right? um, republicans call biden's social spending plan a trojan horse for radical policies. one of the policies in there -- and i asked a republican meyer of michigan last night about this -- paid family leave for four weeks. that is what obama -- obama -- president biden saids it's at right now in the negotiations. here is what congressman meyer had to say about that. >> i think that those type of plans are far better executed at the state level where there is a need to have the consistent application across the country is two weeks too little, it's four weeks too little. should it be six? should it be eight? being able to have that alternative and that comparison, and also know what the impacts of that policy will be before it is rolled out across all 50 states.
i think we are continuing to seek solutions in washington, d.c. that should be sought in state capitols. >> but, alice, the states have had the opportunity to do this, and a vast majority haven't. and the u.s. severely lags behind other developed countries when it comes to paid-family leave. >> and -- and how is it not bipartisan? >> i think it's critical that states do take this by the horns, and really make progress on this because the more decisions like this we can have done at the state level where the money really makes a tremendous impact, that's where we need to go. and -- and -- and this is what happens is without decisions on the state level, it becomes a -- a federal problem, and they are quick to spend money. and we're at the situation where that is a key-sticking point in the spending plans that democrats are fryitrying to get through, and it needs to be handled more on the local level. >> you know, it's interesting that republicans complain about money being spent, when they spent trillions of dollars on the rich and on corporations, and when the people that need it are the -- working class and the middle class, where this kind of family leave policy would really
help. >> as always, a lively discussion. we didn't solve the world's problems but its was a great discussion. we didn't even get to half of -- alice stewart, maria cardona. thank you so much. we'll be right back. gentle constipation relief in minutes. little fleet. big relief. try it. feel it. feel that fleet feeling. why hide your skin if dupixent has your moderate-to-severe eczema, or atopic dermatitis under control? hide our skin? not us. because dupixent targets a root cause of eczema, it helps heal your skin from within, keeping you one step ahead of it. and for kids ages 6 and up, that means clearer skin, and noticeably less itch. hide my skin? not me.
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