tv State of the Union with Jake Tapper and Dana Bash CNN October 24, 2021 9:00am-10:00am PDT
rising inflation. how bad will it get? treasury secretary janet yellen joins my exclusively in moments. plus, needing a boost. some americans rush to get another shot as the gap grows between those who want the vaccine and those who refuse it. in a state where less than 50% are fully vaccinated, what, if anything, will convince them? arkansas governor asa hutchinson is ahead. hello. i'm jake tapper in washington, where the state of the union is wanting to be a fly on the wall. president biden is hosting joe manchin and chuck schumer in delaware today as biden puts increased pressure on his party to deliver a deal, to upgrade the nation's social safety net and take steps to come bite climate change before biden leaves for europe on thursday. democrats have just seven days until october 31st. that's the date that speaker pelosi set to advance the agenda. at a cnn town hall this wook,
president biden expressed confidence his party would deliver. while it is now clear the size of the bill will be less than the original $3.5 trillion, it's not clear what will make it into the final package. democrats have to make touch choices about which big-ticket items to prioritize and how to pay for it, all to meet the demands of joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. now, speaker of the house, nancy pelosi who is here in studio. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> how close are you to a deal on the larger package of elder care, day care, child care, family leave, that stuff, whatever you want to call it. the social safety net bill we want to call it. will president biden have a bill in hand when he leaves for europe. >> first, thank you for the opportunity to talk about that this morning. i'm glad you talked about covid in your opening here, because that's how we start all of our meetings. what are we doing to protect the
american people to stop the spread of covid? i want to commend president biden for have been a completely different approach than his predecessor on this. we have to correct a lot of what went wrong then. we're on a good path. the good news about children being safely able to be vaccinated is something to help stop the spread. so thank you for focusing on that because that is -- >> we talk about it every day all day. >> so do we in the house democratic caucus. in terms of where we are, we have 90% of the bill agreed to and written. we just have some of the last decisions to be made. it is less than was projected to begin with, but still bigger than anything we have ever done in terms of addressing the needs of america's working families. it is all that you said about care, but it's also about the climate piece, which is a health issue, a jobs issue, a security issue, and a values issue for
us. we will have something that will meet the president's goals. i feel very confidence about that, even though it will be different from what we originally proposed. >> by the time he leaves for europe, do you think? you'll have a deal by thursday or friday? >> i think we're pretty much there now. >> you have a deal now? >> we're almost there. it's just the language of it, but it will not offend, shall we say, the concern that senator manchin had about the cepp, but nonetheless, the point is to reach the goal and the president's goals of reaching the emissions, pollution and all the rest, because we were prepared with our select committee headed by kathy kastor. we had other options -- >> other ways to pay for it? >> other ways to reach the goal and, yes, pay for it as well. >> as a side issue, because
there's a lot of people eager for the bipartisan infrastructure bill to be voted on, and progressives have said they won't vote for that unless there's at least a deal on the larger social safety net bill. you said the house must part the infrastructure plan by october 31st, which is a week from today. moderates are frustrated, two deadlines have been missed because of the progressives. >> wait a minute. there was no deadline that was missed because of the progressives. the deadline was missed because they changed from 3.5 to one-half of that, and we've had to go in and everything is good in the bill. what do you cut? so in terms of this date, this date is fraught with meaning, because on october 31st is the day that the highway trust fund authorization expires. if that expires, we have to get billions of dollars someplace to continue that. the best way to do that is to pass the bill. having nothing to do with all
the other, shall we say, deliberations that are going on. our tiechair of the committee, peter defazio, is a master of transportation infrastructure committee says we must pass it by october 31st. >> i'm not blaming anything on them, but they have said that they will not vote for the b.i.f., bipartisan infrastructure plan, unless this framework is agreed to. are you saying the framework will be agreed to? >> let's call it an agreement >> there will be an agreement on that, and you will also vote for the bipartisan infrastructure bill, both of those things will happen in the next week? >> that's the plan. right now we are just, as you indicated, the two -- leader schumer, senator manchin and the president are having the meeting on some of the particulars that need to be finalized. i'm optimistic that we can do
that. again, one one basket washington climate, which is a jobs bill, a bill for the children, for the future, is the healthcare piece of it, strengthening affordable care act, expanding medicaid, and expanding medicare. >> let's get into it, because they're important. >> then the third basket is we're getting into it -- just so we have the third bucket -- is the care piece. >> elder care, child care . >> child care and universal pre-k go together. when we say home health care, that's for elder or children, or siblings who are disabled, something like that. >> so is family leave going to make it into the final bill? there was four weeks of paid family leave. is that going to be in the bill? >> that's what we're fighting for. >> senator sinema has said she will not support raising the corporate tax rate, raising the
tax on high-wage earners, and president biden has acknowledged that might mean you can't pay for the rest of the bill using those sources of revenue. do you have an alternate way? >> we do. we were ready to pay for $3.5, so we certainly can pay for half of that. >> what is that alternate way? is it a billionaires' tax? >> the billionaires' tax has an appeal, but it doesn't produce that much money. because the bill is not written yet, and we hope it to be written today and introduced tomorrow, only then can the joint tax committee evaluate what it brings in. we ants pay $250 billion, but we need closer to $2 trillion. so we have other things? >> such as? >> we have enforcement. that's several hundred billion, the over seas harmonization of taxes, that's a few hundred billion. we have an array -- we have an array. i'm not going to say what they are.
>> corporate minimum tax? elizabeth warren was talking on "the lead" the other day in amazon makes hundreds of billions and pays zero, this is legislation requires them to pay something. is that in there? >> the president during these campaign had a market rate -- excuse me -- a book rate proposal. that is being evaluated as well, as to how much that brings in, but that's another way to tax the increase in wealth in corporate america. but the thing is that, whether we use increasing the corporate tax rate, increasing the tax on some of the other aspects of it. >> wealth tax, billionaires' tax? >> no, some other aspect. >> okay. >> we probably will have a wealth tax, but it's only 10% of what we need, and the other things are more like $800 billion versus $200 billion, but we can use them another time.
they don't go away as a source of revenue to pay for how we go forward. >> you said you probably will have a wealth tax. >> well, we'll see. we haven't seen the bill yet. >> you said it's being written right now and you're going to send it to -- >> this is a senate proposal. they supposedly are writing it today. tomorrow they would introduce it. and then the joint tax committee is the one that says this is how much you get from that. but, again, on our side, we have been totally ready with alternatives in terms of house and senate and the white house. we have plenty of alternatives. we're ready. >> what is your response to progressives who say that democrats are in danger of breaking the promise to roll back the trump tax cuts and to fully pay for the plan? >> we're going to fully pay for the plan. we'll probably more than pay for the plan. one bill does not make a --
look -- >> might as well take another crack at -- >> we had the rescue plan, $1.9 trillion and the infrastructure bill at $3 trillion and this is around $2 trillion. nobody has done anything that remarkable. while it isn't everything put out originally, it takes us down a path where we can continue investments in these. now, this piece, the care piece, with the climate, health, the care piece is the -- is all three of them make them transformative. even at half it's a very big bill. >> let me ask you. one of questions is paid family leave, and the expansion in medicare to enjoy -- to include, rather, dental, vision and hearing coverage. is that going to be in the bill? >> well, that's part of the negotiation.
dental is very expensive. so hearing and visual, and dental, but dental will take a little long tore implement. that's part of the negotiation right now. >> you don't know what's going to be in final bill. it sounds like you're saying dental might not make it. >> it will be on a path. it will be on a path. what they told us, and i don't quite understand why, but we've been told by people who know about these things, it will take five, six years in order to implement the dental. so how do we, say, fill in the blank there? bernie has some suggestions about how to do that. that will be part of the negotiation >> bernie sanders, the independent from vermont. you talk about how you're almost there, except for 10% of the bill. you also talk about how the house is there, you're ready, you're going to pass it, and it's really these two senate
holdouts, sinema and manchin. are you frustrated with them? >> i'm respectful of everybody's point of view. i do not want the trump tax cuts perpetuated, but i don't want anybody to think if we don't address those right now, that they're off the table. we will use them for something at some point. you can't use the wealth tax and tax the billionaires, which is what we should be doing and let corporate american off the hook. corporate american will be paying because of the overseas tax and some of the other provisions that are very technical to go into right now. we'll know more tomorrow to see what makes the cut, and then worth the time to go into it. >> there is also the issue of the debt ceiling. >> that's a separate issue. >> but in terms of how you get it through the congress to president biden's desk may be separate, maybe not. congress acted to raise the debt ceiling through december 3rd.
after that, republican minority leader mitch mcconnell says you're on your own, we're not going to provide any votes for democrats. a default would be devastating for the american economy, for the world economy. are you willing to attach raising the debt ceiling to the social safety net package? or if not, to use reconciliation which means only 51 votes needed in the senate anyway in order to get this done? >> that's one path. we've hoping you have bipartisanship. we're talking largely about the trump dead. we didn't participate in giving a tax scam, 82% to the top 1% part of the debt. the republicans when the former
president was in office, three times we had to do something about the national debt. now, look at what is in jeopardy. even talking about it is not a good idea. even places in doubt is not a good idea because it can lower the credit rating of our country, as it did when the republicans did not want to increase it when president obama was president. they're okay with it when there's a republican president, but not a democrat. 67 million jobs could be lost. consequences that could last for decades. >> why not get rid of the debt ceiling. >> there are a number of plans to do that, but would the republicans agree to that before we again -- >> your mind is open in terms of whether or not you use reconciliation or whether or not you attach it. >> we still would rather have bipartisanship, whether it's a democratic president or a republican president. >> you probably won't have it but you'll consider these
options. >> it's very, very, very impo important. >> absolutely. the house voted to hold steve bannon in contempt for failing to comply with a subpoena. do you think people who refuse to cooperate with congressional subpoenas should be prosecuted and in the end go to jail? >> i do. first of all, people say this hasn't happened before. we haven't had an insurrection incited by the president of the united states and one of his toadies having advanced knowledge of that happening. so it's important for us to find the truth about what happened on january 6th, an assault on our constitution, our congress and our capitol. but it's also important in terms of the separation of power and checks and balances of the constitution which is genius of the consultation --
>> absolutely. >> -- for this to happen in this way. >> for this to happen in this way. if the committee decides, you're willing to have that happen, too? >> i don't get involved in the decision of the committee, but they have everything on the table. i want you to listen to a key moment in which president biden was talking about voting rights in the cnn town hall with anderson cooper the other night. take a listen. >> when it comes to voting rights, just so i'm clear, you would entertain the notion of doing away with the filibuster on that one issue, am i correct? >> and maybe more. >> that's president biden saying he is willing to entertain the notion of getting rid of the tlbs for the voting rights act and maybe for other things as well. do you agree with him on that one issue, that at the end of the day, having a voting rights bill is more importance than --
>> the most important vote right now in the congress of the united states is the vote to respect the sanctity of the vote, the fundamental basis of our democracy. that one vote that the filibuster could enable to go forward. that would be the vote. we're talking about stopping the suppression of the vote and the nullification of the elections. we're talking about redistricting in a way that's fair, may not benefit ds, but might open up some of these republican seats. it talks about stopping the big, dark, crush up special interest money and empowers the grassroots. then, in addition for that, the voting rights act, john lewis wrote the first 300 pages of the first bill. mr. manchin has weighed in, the compromise that they voted on last week is perfectly good, but we didn't get any republican votes. >> so it's worth it to you -- >> it's fundamental to our democracy.
mind you, just to remind when what's his name was president and the republicans were in power. >> donald trump? >> mitch mcconnell pulled back the filibuster to enable, with simple majorities, three justices to go to the supreme court for life. you would think that they could pull it back for the american people to have the vote in a way -- >> so you're on board with that -- >> i'm not on board, it's the most the important vote. >> you're leading the way. are you going to run for reelection? >> you think i'm going to make an announcement here and now? >> yeah. why not? you're going to run for reelection, though, yes? >> why would i tell you that now? >> it's not just me. it's the american people, the world. >> i probably would have that conversation with my family first, if you don't mind. >> thank you so much.
best of luck with the legislation. i know it's a heavy lift. >> thank you. high gas prices and a backed-up supply chain, what is the biden administration doing to fix it. treasury secretary janet yellen joins me next. and millions of americans eligible for booster. is the divide between the vaccinated and the anti-vaccine crowd widening? stay with us. ith this. but new preparation h soothing relief spray is the 21st century way to do all three. even touch free. preparation h. get comfortable with it. >> tech: when you get a chip in your windshield... trust safelite. this couple was headed to the farmers market... when they got a chip. they drove to safelite for a same-day repair. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? >> tech: that's service the way you need it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪
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up supply chain delaying orders and painfully high prices at the gas pump. joining us to discuss is secretary yellen. good to see you. thanks so much for joining us. we have a lot to get to, but you just heard speaker pelosi. she floated new ways to pay for this bill such as a wealth tax, because it does appears that raising the corporate tax rate and raising it on top wage earners, those are out. can you still guarantee this bill will be paid for? >> as the speaker noted, we have a variety of different ways to raise revenue. all in all, it should be relatively straightforward to raised revenue necessary to pay for this bill. the final package, exactly what's in and out, hasn't been decided. that's being negotiated now. >> do you think that a wealth tax will be part of it? can you explain what that would look like?
>> well, you think what's under consideration is a proposal that senator wyden and the senate finance committee have been looking at that would impose a tax on unrealized capital gains, on liquid assets held by extremely wealthy individuals, billionaires. i wouldn't call that a wealth tax, but it will get at capital gains which are an extraordinarily large part of the incomes of the wealthiest individuals, and right now escape taxation until they're realized. often they're unrealized in the death benefit from the so-called step-up of basis. it's a tax on unrealized capital
gains of exceptionally wealthy individuals. >> the biden administration is trying to reach this deal to spend about another $2 trillion, makes a total of an extraordinary $5 trillion in spending this year. inflation is growing at its fastest pace in 30 years. if the american economy is already overheating, is spending even more money essential pouring gas on the inflation fire? >> well, the additional spending in the infrastructure package, and in the build back better package, both of those are spending over ten years, not in a single year. the rescue package did involve substantial spending this year. let's remember that a benefit of that package is that unemployment is declined to
4.8%, that americans tell us that they feel confident they can find jobs now. the size of the labor force has declined it's not moved back to prepandemic levels, in part because of covid, because of health concerns, because of child care concerns, school concerns and so many firms are experiencing a shortage of labor. the covid shock to the economy has caused disruptions that we'll be working through over the next year. of course, americans haven't seen inflation like we experienced recently in a long time. as we get back to norm at, expect that to end. already on a monthly basis, the inflation numbers are way down below their peaks. you know, the covid crisis
markedly diminished spending on services and caused a reallocation of spending towards goods. the supply of goods to americans has increased substantially, but there's still pressure there, and there are shutdowns and covid impacts in asia where we import many goods from. so we are experiencing a lot of supply bottlenecks -- >> right. >> there's a shortage of semiconductors. that's pushed up the prices of used cars and caused a reduction in production of new cars. this is temporary pains that result from a covid economy. >> right. >> and getting beyond it. >> let me ask you about that. this is impacting everything from gas prices to groceries.
when do you expect the inflation to get back to the 2% range, which is considered normal? 2022? 2023? when? >> well, i expect that to happen next year. monthly rates of inflation have already fallen substantially from the very high rates that we saw in the spring and early summer. on a 12-month basis, the inflation rate will remain high into next year because of what's already happened. but i expect improvement by the end of -- by the middle to end of next year, second half of next year. second half of 2022. former president obama treasury secretary larry summers has been sounding alarm bells for months. take a listen to what he calls very disturbing inflationary numbers last week. >> now we see inflation becoming more widespread in a wider range
of products, spreading to the housing and labor markets. i've been alarmed for a long time and i'm more alarmed now. >> more alarmed now. and summers added this, quote, we're in more danger than i've been in my career of losing control of inflation in the u.s. is he wrong? >> i think he's wrong. i don't think he's we're about to lose control of inflation. i do agree we're going through inflation that's higher than americans have seen in a long time, and it's something that's obviously a concern and worrying, but we haven't lost control. as we make further progress on the pandemic, i expect these bottlenecks to subside. americans will return to the labor force as conditions imp
improve. remember, the spending we did that partially has caused this high demand for goods, it's been very important in making sure that the pandemic hasn't had a scarring effect on american workers. it's given them enough income and support to get through this while still being able to put food on their tables, keep roofs over their heads. >> right. >> when you don't hear people talking about, i'm worried about being able to get a job, remember that's a very good impact that the rescue packages had. what we're talking about with infrastructure and build back better, this is a relatively small amount of spending over a decade. we need this spending to make our economy productive, to make sure that families have the support, take care of their children and to work. it will boost labor force
participation. >> secretary yellen, you referred to this earlier, but i want to ask you, there's a record-breaking 4.3 million americans who left their jobs in august. it's a phenomenon that some are calling the great resignation. this comes as almost 11 million jobs are currently open and waiting to be filled. why are americans not taking these jobs? and what are you and the white house doing to get people back to work? >> well, right now we have a very tight labor market. when the labor market is tight and americans feel good about their ability to get another job, they're more likely to quit a job, they're getting outside job offers, taking them. that shows up in those statistics. so we have a good, tight labor market. firms are obviously having trouble hiring workers, but
labor supply is depressed by the pandemic. that's because of the health concerns, because of child care, and as we get beyond the pandemic, i expect labor supply to increase, and it's good, i think, to see wages begin to rise, especially for those americans who had the most insecure jobs, and the lowest wages, and to see some improvement there is something we should be pleased with. you projected the u.s. will run out of the money to pay its bills on december 3rd unless congress acts to, once again, raise the debt ceiling. senator mitch mcconnell says democrats are going to have to do it alone. we spoke it speaker pelosi on whether they'll do it with
reconciliation. how concerned are you that a default may actually happen this time? >> well, i consider it utterly essential that the debt be raised. it's simply inconceivable that america should prove itself unwilling to pay the bills it's agreed to spend. it is about paying the bills that result from past decisions of congress about spending and taxation. it would be utterly catastrophic, something that has not ever happened in the history of america. our assets, our treasuries are regarded as the safest assets on the planet because america can be counted on, always has, to pay its bills. i personally believe this is a
responsibility that republicans and democrats should share, that it's something that both parties should do together. it's a housekeeping matter, doing what's necessary to pay our bills. i have confidence it will get done, but i will leave it to the speaker and to leader schumer to figure out what the best way is forward on that. >> lastly, madam secretary, i asked senator elizabeth warren a few days ago about why she opposes renominating fed chair jerome powell. she calls him a dangerous man. take a listen. if he reappoints powell, will you fight it? will you filibuster it? will you stop it? >> i will oppose it and use the tools i've got. i don't want to make another five-year bet on someone whose entire attitude is that he's not going to work to rein in the giant financial institutions. >> bloomberg reports that you privately support renominating fed chair powell for another term. is that true?
do you support the renomination of jerome powell? >> well, i'm not going to talk about the advice that i'm giving to the president. it's up to him to decide what is best. i would say that during his term and during my term and bernanke's term, regulation of financial institutions has been markedly strengthened. it's important to note that, when the pandemic struck, although there were huge stresses in financial markets, that the core of our financial system did very well because of the improvements in capital liquidity, risk management, stress testing, and those improvements have stayed in place during the powell regime. >> all right. secretary janet yellen. thank you so much for your time
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approved in the coming weeks, some states are still struggling to get their citizens vaccinated at all. joining us to discuss, arkansas republican governor asa hutchinson. governor hutchinson, we'll get to the pandemic in a second. first, i want to get your reaction. you heard speaker pelosi lay out her plans, secretary yellen talking about inflation. you're a governor in the middle of the country. what's your reaction? >> well, the greatest concern americans have right now is the rising cost of fuel, gasoline, and groceries. whenever you hear speaker pelosi talk about the trillion dollar package, it hasn't been written, it can't be explained. you did a great job asking her questions about it, but it was as clear as mud. what that tells the american people is, we've got inflationary pressures that impact them, it's the cruelist tax and now all we see is more government spending, a trillion
dollar plan out there, multi trillion dollars, and it can't be explained. it's worrisome as a governor to hear what's planned. we do need the bipartisan infrastructure bill that's critical for roads, for broadband, it's for water infrastructure, but this social engineering plan that they have, this trillions, will simply add to inflationary pressures that is already costing the average american a great deal. let's turn to covid if we can. only 47% of your state is fully vaccinated against covid-19. it places arkansas in the bottom ten for vaccinations. you're vaccinated. ive very clearly encouraging arkansans to get vaccinated. why are so many still refusing? >> first of all, we're making progress. those that have been vaccinated are now lining up to get their booster shots.
we do see it as our way out. the resistance is hard in some areas. part of it is simply because of the controversy because of mandates. it deepens the resistance. that's something we have to overcome, but i don't see that controversy going away anytime soon. with osha issuing mandates for businesses to require vaccination of employees, that's going to intend phi the controversy. we can make progress step by step in terms of increasing vaccination, but the side vaccination, but the side circus in terms of that controversy, there will be lawsuits filed. that will continue for some time. we're going to continue to push for vaccine adoption. whenever you see what's happened in the uk with an increase in cases, we know that covid can throw us more curves coming down the road. we want to be prepared with increased vaccinations. >> last week you admittinged that businesses imposing their
own vaccine mandates are effective in getting vaccine rates up. you also said you're a, quote, a defender of an employer's right to impose mandates. i understand you are not comfortable with the government imposing mandates on businesses, but wouldn't you be saving lives if you imposed a vaccine mandate on state employees who ultimately work for you. >> well, it would probably increase vaccination rates, but it also would increase the resistance of some. some would lose their jobs. it would hurt their families, and it would, in the broader population, also create that controversy and resistance. so it's a balance there. that's why private businesses should have the opportunity, if they want to require vaccination in their sensitive workplace, they ought to be able to do that. government doesn't need to tell
them to do that. i'm for reducing mandates across the board in regards to the vaccinations. people will make the right decision over time when they get the right information. so, sure, tyson's required vaccination, their rate goes up. others are urging it to happen in their workplace. it goes up there as well. i think it's a balance, but what works in arkansas is not the mandate side of it, but it's the education side and businesses have been the prerogative to make their own decisions without the government telling them what to do. >> arkansas requires children entering schools to be vaccinated for diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio, meis ls, mumps, rubella, hepatitis b, hepatitis a, chickenpox.
would it save lives if you added covid to the list for mandatory vaccines for children? >> well, let's look at that more deeply. first of all, those are state by state vaccine requirements. first of all, the federal government has never mandated -- >> no, i'm asking you. i'm just talking about what arkansas mandates. >> absolutely. so, there may be a time in the future you would want to mandate that in the schools, but that time is not now. we need to have more experience with that. we need to have more public acceptance of it, of the vaccine. so it could happen down the road. it also depends on the severity of the covid outbreak and whether cases skyrocket again or not. right now they're at a very low level in arkansas. it can happen, it may happen, but now is not the right time to do that. we need more information and to be able to build public confidence to a greater point,
but it is a state decision. >> you've said, quote, relitigating 2020 is a recipe for disaster in 2022. as president trump is still out there pushing the big lie, attacking your fellow republicans for sticking to the facts, going after individual lawmakers who maintain the rule of law in the 2020 election, like secretary raffensperger in georgia, for example. how worried are you as we approach the mid terms next year about the state of the republican party? >> i'm actually optimistic about the state of the republican party. you look at our competition, and the democratic party is divided. they have their extremes that they're concerned about. secondly, when we're talking about keeping the line on taxes, government spending, reducing inflation, that's where america is right now. and then we've got great
candidates. glenn youngkin in virginia is doing a great job, has great potential to win that race this year. that's an example of what we need to see, verse the past in 2020, let's move on he has not >> one thing i would like to say about that, he has not embraced it the way we like to see people do it. do you think that's one of the reasons why this race is competitive? >> i think glenn has balance and handled it very well talking about the future. he hasn't -- his race has not depended upon donald trump, nor should it. >> governor asa hutchinson, thank you so much. appreciate your time. this week on the set of a film in new mexico, actor alec baldwin fired a prop gun that
killed his cinematographer halyna hutchins and wounded director joel souza, horrific and tragic incident. we will ultimately learn what went so wrong and accountability, of course, is essential. but before we can even get to that, there is the tragedy of this moment. halyna hutchins was 42 from ukraine, a rising star in her field. the wife of matthew hutchins, the mother of a boy andrus hutchins. heartbreak for normal people. but there's something about our politics right now that is driving people away from our shared humanity. republican congresswoman lauren boebert of colorado apparently spent time and did some digging about baldwin's hands up, don't shoot movement. baldwin, is, of course, not only a progressive, but very aggressive and outspoken about
liberal issues including gun control. the colorado congresswoman thought it was funny to exploit hands up, don't shoot, to make a joke at the expense of baldwin, but really more importantly to make a joke at the expense of halyna hutchins and her husband matthew and their son. most disappointing, perhaps, was from j.d. vance, a former marine and law grad and for a time cnn contributor, hired because of his perceived insight and empathy. vance is a conservative for whom a lot of folks once had great hope, would rise to become a real leader but he's running in a senate primary in ohio that seems to have become the fear factor for american politics, with contestants positioned against one another, as to who can performatively appeal best to the lowest common
denominator. vance, joking, asked for twitter to remove its ban on donald trump because, quote, we need alec baldwin tweets. in other words, vance appears to be saying we need to see donald trump attack baldwin hours after this tragedy at this moment to exploit this horror in which an innocent woman, mother, wife, artist was killed. vance seems to want trump to attack and mock for a global audience alec baldwin for killing a woman in what almost certainly was a tragic accident, regardless of the pain of matthew hutchins or andros hutchins. and how ever this impacts baldwin, i mean, how might such an incident impact you? he did this, j.d. vance, why? presumably because he thinks it will help him win supporters.
he did it to win votes. in other words, the cruelty is a feature of his candidacy, not a bug. vance is seemingly following the playbook of donald trump, whose response to the death of secretary colin powell a few days ago was to issue a statement attacking powell. following similar attacks that he made against the late john mccain and the late john dingell, after they had died. violations of basic decency, ones we see repeatedly with the republican party's embrace of individuals such as congresswoman marjorie taylor greene from georgia, her reaction in 2018 to a deadly fire in the western united states was to go on facebook and speculate that wealthy jewish americans might be using lasers to cause the fires to make money somehow. a deranged anti-semitic conspiracy theory.
nuts. one that was brought up by congresswoman liz cheney when marjorie taylor greene started berating cheney on the house floor this week. now, cheney has been ostracized by her party for standing against trump lies and for wanting to get to the bottom of the deadly insurrection on january 6th. greene, well, she was described by one democratic congressman as seeming rather gleeful on that day, january 6th. though greene's staff denies it. either way ask yourself, which of these congresswoman is more likely to be given a speaking slot at the 2024 republican convention? a longtime republican official texted me after j.d. vance's tweet, quote, being a horrible person, he wrote, is now actually a job requirement in this party, unquote. i hope to god that that
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