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effect in a divided 5-4 order released late at night on the court's emergency docket. the news continues right now. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> thank you, anderson. i'm chris cuomo and welcome to "prime time." we now have the newly released 911 call in the fatal shooting involving actor alec baldwin on a movie set in santa fe, what he's calling a tragic accident. i'll play you the 911 call. but really the freshest information to help us understand the questions being asked by investigators are in the search warrant that literally just came into my hands as we went on the air. here is the 911 call. >> what is the location of the emergency? >> bonanza creek ranch, we have two people accidentally shot on a movie set by a prop gun. we need help immediately. we need some help. our director and our
cameraman -- camerawoman are shot. >> was it loaded? >> i cannot tell you that. we have two injuries from a movie gunshot. i was sitting, we were rehearsing, and it went off. i ran out. they all ran out. the camerawoman and the director. >> so here is what i'm finding in this search warrant. it is interesting for two reasons. one, it's a very wide universe of what they want. they want all the clothing that was involved. they want all the video that they can get that can show them what happened. they want all of the technical equipment. and i don't know why. any media capable of storing data. you have to believe that that's
about them trying to understand the protocols involved for preparation of the prop guns, the movie guns. again, there are two different incidents here of asking for any of the tape that captured any of the event. any photos of the structure that this happened inside of. and then the main ask is for -- point four of the six-point ask is, the firearm, firearms, components, documentation that establishes ownership, ammunition, that's really the key thing, used or unused, whether it be live ammunition or prop ammunition, projectiles, casings, whether spent or unspent. now, a big part of our
understanding of this whole situation recalls plays to this last line, okay? used or unused, whether it be live ammunition or prop ammunition, projectiles, casings, whether spent or unspent. so the questions for us going into this, alec baldwin is preparing for a scene. he's with his director of photography. and his director. he fires this weapon that is handed to him. in the narrative from the officer here known as the affiant, the person who puts together the affidavit of what happened, asking for the search warrant, alec baldwin is told it is a cold gun. what's a cold gun? a prop gun that didn't have a live round. now, again, do they put real ammunition in weapons on movie sets? it's hard to believe that that could ever be yes as an answer, right? they don't want to really shoot anybody. so then what kinds of rounds or ammunition or charges or casings
are put in these prop guns that could be dangerous? none? some? what are the circumstances? what did they use here? we're going to have to find all that out. and we will get some of the answers in just a moment. but in terms of why we're doing this, alec baldwin is one of the best known actors in the world. he fired this weapon on set, rehearsing a scene. and now his director of photography, who was only 42 years old, a young woman with a family, is dead. and his director, apparently, whatever came out of that prop gun didn't just hit the director of photography. it went through her and into him, the director, broke his clavicle or something in his upper body. what would be in a movie gun that could have that type of power? or is it about -- so, you know, what is in that thing, in that gun?
two, is that what was in that gun? or was something else -- was it really a live round put in there, how could that ever happen, right? and if so, is this something that has to be an accident? there's absolutely no question at this point surrounding the actor alec baldwin, as to whether or not his role here was accidental. there is absolutely no indication from anybody or any set of circumstances to suggest otherwise. but what about the people who prepared the weapon? or gave him the weapon? it is possible that somebody did something to the weapon that ended up resulting in this injury, either intentionally or unintentionally. they're making a movie. nobody is supposed to get hurt, not like this. and there are reports that people on the set had concerns about safety, including weapons safety. what does that mean?
now that we have the universe of our questions and our concern and the stakes, let's go to the beginning of how does this work. we have a weapons expert who has worked on many films. and he'll take us through what the possibilities are here. he is firearm trainer bill davis. thank you for taking this opportunity, sir. >> you're welcome, chris, thank you. >> so bill, literally, assume the people you're talking to, starting with me, know nothing, and this sounds completely wild, that how does a movie gun hurt somebody? what are the possibilities in your mind about what could have gone wrong here? >> well, first of all, i'm hearing a lot on the news, different news outlets, that we're talking about movie guns, prop guns. there is no prop guns. these are real, live firearms that are being used to fire blanks.
so we're talking about live weapons here. >> so the weapons are the same as the ones that you and i would buy for home safety, there's no difference between this revolver and a revolver that would shoot real bullets? >> right. i have one here, which according to what i've heard about the show, it's a western, so i'm going to say that we've probably got a weapon here that is going to be approximating what he was shooting, if it was a pistol. it could have been a rifle, it could have been a shotgun, i don't know that, i don't have that information. but i can tell you that these are the type weapons that are very dangerous, because there's no restrict er in the barrel to build up gases like you would have on a machine gun or a semi-automatic pistol, you need
gas to blow it back and cycle it. these are old style colt guns. these things are very easy to operate and they're very easy to show that they're unloaded. the fact remains that somebody died and another person is seriously injured because somebody didn't check the ammunition. now, i also have -- excuse me for a moment. >> go ahead, bill. >> these are two rounds of ammunition. this is a live round. this is a blank round. if you can see it, i'm putting it close so you can get your depth in there, you'll see one has a bullet coming out of it and one just has a crimp case. >> so the one with the crimped case as a blank? >> correct. there's no projectile in it. it has everything that a normal bullet would have, a normal loaded round of ammunition, except the bullet. it doesn't have a projectile in
it. >> have you ever heard -- so then what happened here? does that mean somebody put a real bullet in the gun? or could a blank go through somebody's body? >> well, number one on our armorer protocols list is, no live ammunition is allowed to be onset, at all, period, end of story. now, somebody brought a live round in there. whether it was the weapons handler, if they have an actual armorer, it doesn't sound like they actually had an armorer, but whoever was handling the weapons wasn't handling them safely. because you can see, as you load the weapons, you can click the cylinder. and you can insert one round, turn the cylinder, insert another round, turn the cylinder, until you get all six in there. the first a.d. would say, load live, load six.
we would hand it to the actor and say, the weapon is hot, fire it in the hole, five or six shots, whatever it might be. the actor should be standing right there and watching this procedure, which is what i insist upon on my shows, and also, the gun handler is inspecting each round visually as he's putting them into the weapon. so what's happening here is, you're getting it inspected multiple times by multiple people. and there's no reason that this should have happened. there's just no reason for it. >> some questions just so we can take one more step here. so have you ever had, in your experience, where people thought they had blanks but they actually had live ammunition by mistake that they were preparing
to or did load into a weapon? >> not on my shows. any shows that i've worked on, i've been onset, more than 300 sets, i can tell you it doesn't happen with me. we do a safety inspection every day, when we first come in and report at call time, we say, okay, bill is going to do a safety meeting. and i tell people at that point, we're using ammunition today that's loud, so protect your eyes and ears at all times. if you don't have to be on the set while we're shooting, don't be there, be somewhere else. and we try to give them the biggest heads up that we can. >> i get it. >> so it's just a matter of -- okay. >> no, i get it, you do it the right way. now, by the way, the early investigation does mention an armorer, and that the person who handed the gun to actor alec baldwin yelled "cold gun," indicating it did not have what they're calling live rounds but they would have to be blanks, right? >> well, yes and no. i mean, there could have been --
there are three categories of ammunition we're talking about here. we have blank ammunition, we have dummy ammunition, and we have live ammunition. the dummy ammunition, i'm sure you've seen it in a million westerns where a cowboy is loading his gun. they give the actor dummy ammo, it looks real but there is no primer, nothing will come out. he closes the gun and puts it in his holster. and you'll see it in the bullet loops around their belts. as far as this goes, with the dummy ammunition, that's fine insofar as it goes. but in order to have live ammunition on set, you have to be a buffoon. this is stuff that just shouldn't have happened on a well-managed set. >> do you make the blanks? >> no. i'm in northwest georgia and i actually order my blanks from
hollywood, the manufacturer is out there. >> they come without the bullets, you don't have to take the bullets off? >> no, they come out. as a matter of fact, here is a box of ammunition. >> and those are blanks. >> you can see there's 50 rounds in here. these are all blanks. >> i really appreciate this, by the way. for something to have blown through this young woman, literally gone through her and hit somebody else, is there any way that a bank could have done that? >> no. not at all. as a matter of fact, one of our protocols -- yes, it would have to be a solid projectile to do that.
the only way a blank can kill a human being is like back in the '80s, they had an actor named john eric hexum who put a gun to his head, shot, it killed him, it blew his skull six inches into his brain. it's called flame cutting, it cut right through the bone. but normally it's not going to happen because the blank doesn't have enough force to shoot more than 20 feet. and even at that distance or closer, your danger is to your eyes mainly, because the gunpowder is inherently dirty. when it fires, it's going to be put the eyes out. we try all the time to avoid stuff like that. >> this has been very helpful, because now we have our essential question. there was something in that gun, in all likelihood, that wasn't supposed to be there. was it an accident, was it on purpose, and who did it. bill davis, thank you very much.
i appreciate you. and i also want to thank our affiliate. >> one more thing, chris, if i may say something. >> go ahead, bill. >> chris, the other factor that nobody is looking at is that one of our protocols is we tell our actors never point the gun at another human being. >> even when rehearsing, even if you're going to do it, you don't point it at them. >> even when rehearsing. we have rods that we stick down the barrel and everything. >> thank you, bill. >> you're welcome, sir. >> appreciate the expertise. and thank you, koat, for getting us the search warrant, very helpful. i'll keep going through it and see if there's anything else in there. he mentioned an incident where a young actor put the gun to his head and a blank ended up killing him. most famous or infamous was the death of actor brandon lee, a budding star in 1993, bruce lee's son, filming the movie "the crow." and he was killed after being struck by a bullet that was put into a gun that was supposed to just have blanks. now, we have his sister, an
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that whole family knows the pain of what we're all learning about now with this western that alec baldwin was on. her brother was this rising star, brandon. he was beautiful, he was talented, he was powerful as an actor. he was just coming into his own. he's on a movie set, making what would become a cult classic, "the crow," just 28 years of age. and he dies on set because of a gun accident where a gun being used in the movie had live ammunition in it. shannon is with us now, she's in the industry herself, a long time actor. it's good to see you. i'm sorry it's under these circumstances. i know you never wanted to see it happen again. >> no, definitely not. this is just a horrific and tragic set of circumstances. and my heart just goes out to everyone involved.
>> now, in reviewing what happened with your brother and reading up on what we're getting in real time here, there were no charges in the case with your brother. they looked at a lot of different people, the people who prepared the gun, if somebody was out to get brandon, may he rest in peace, nothing ever came of that. how did the family understand and accept that? >> well, i mean, my understanding is for there to be criminal charges there has to be wanton and intentional negligence. there was definitely negligence. and there was a civil suit in that regard. but in terms of criminal charges, we were not able to bring those at the time. >> and look, i just want to say in this conversation, for what it's worth, you know, and i'm sure you've heard this, forget about your dad, he's just a legend, he's as relevant today as he was when he was alive, but your brother also made a huge
impact on people's lives. even though he was only 28 years old, i just hope there's a measure of solace in that, that those were 28 years that wound up lasting a very long time, even my son's generation, he's 15, look at him and the work that he did. so the legacy lives on. help me understand this as a movie insider. bill davis, the guy i just had on, he's been doing this in movies forever, he's a former homicide detective. how do real bullets find their way onto a movie set when they have no value there? >> well, i mean, it's a good question and a question that is definitely going to need to be asked. of course i don't know what happened in this instance. on this movie set. but with my brother, you know, they were hugely negligent. they ran out of dummy bullets. bill was talking about the dummy bullets that look like real bullets but they don't have any gunpowder in them. they ran out of those for close-ups of the gun on the set
of "the crow." so in order to get the shot they needed, they went and bought live ammunition. >> the other aspect that bill brought up, and we don't know the details in this situation, is that actors are told you never point a gun at somebody else even if it looks like you're going to shoot me in the head from point blank range, that there are all these angles you guys use. is that your understanding as well and is that what happened in brandon's case? >> that is absolutely my understanding. you never point a gun at anyone on a movie set. you always, you know, shoot past that person. but you have to understand, when you're in the heat of the moment, people forget. and people are not trained properly. in particular, the actors are not trained about the weapons that they are holding. and, you know, that's why the safety protocols are so important. thereof to be a number of fail-saves in the chain of events. and i know in the instance of my brother's accident, many of those were broken.
>> and look, those questions are being asked here in this western with alec baldwin, supposedly some of the people were upset in the crew about safety. some of the issues were irrelevant to what we're discussing here. some of them were not. they were about how weapons were being treated. the issue of what was the angle and what was alec baldwin doing when they were setting you want shot, when the gun went off. those are also questions that are going to be asked. how you get a real piece of ammo in a gun on a movie set is just mind-boggling. shannon lee, thank you. i know this is not easy for you or your family. but i appreciate you helping us bring attention to the situation. may your father and brother rest in peace and may the family take solace in knowing that their legacy and their impact lives on. >> thank you so much, and my heart just goes out to halyna hutchins' family, everyone involved. such a tragedy. thank you for your kind words. >> god bless and be well, the best to the family. >> thank you.
from the land of make believe to the land of real murder and real killing. gabby petito. her fiance is dead. they know it's his body. they're trying to figure out how he died. it's a very secondary importance. how do the petito family, how do they get any peace about what happened here? likely, the only people who know what happened, who are alive, are brian laundrie's family. now, their lawyer is getting a lot of heat because he just suggested that brian laundrie knew gabby petito was dead. is that what he meant to say? he says no. but that is what he said. i'll tell what you the words were, what the context was, and we're bringing in a very good legal mind to tell you why it matters, next.
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what do his parents know? and it almost defies reasonableness for them to know nothing. and whatever they know, do they have a responsibility to tell authorities or the petitos, i'm not talking about legal duty, we know they don't have that, but in terms of a responsibility. now, also another question for us. the discrepancy between the attorney for the family and police about actions taken the night that brian went missing. listen to this. >> let the record be clear. the laundries reported brian did not come home the night he went out for the hike. >> if we had that information, there's a million things we would have done differently.
i mean, you can look at our actions very publicly, that don't coincide with that information at all. >> all right. now, look. that was the police spokesman. let's bring in top legal mind joey jackson. joey, let's flip roles for a second here. i think i know the answer to this one. this is not a hard question. i've been talking to this lawyer for a while. he has always been consistent about this, okay? they never told the police that the kid had left. and i'm sorry for calling him "the kid." at my age, anybody in their early 20s, i still see them as children. when the young man left, he contacted an fbi source and told them that he didn't come home. they didn't tell the police. that's what happened. that's why the police say this never happened, they never told us. that's true, but it's also true, i believe, because the guy has been consistent the whole time, and the fbi has never come out and said they never told us the guy was missing, and they know that that's something that they might do, although they can be notoriously tight-lipped as we both know. so on the score of what the family said and didn't say, that's the easy part.
the hard part is they never would talk to the petitos, they lawyered up and wouldn't help the investigators. where do that is leave them now, joey? >> it leaves them a couple of places. the first thing we have to know and understand, which we do, is the lawyer acting on behalf of the laundrie family has two hats, right? one is there's a public relations imperative in order that the family really be portrayed in a more favorable way. we know the family has been taking a lot of heat. we know the lack of concern, right, for the family of gabby petito. we know what's disheartening as it relates to them not cooperating when they could.
he's trying to get a public relations advantage by saying, look, the heat's on me and conveying the information. on the other hand, he's trying to protect them legally. the first place we have to go is really, i don't even want to say closure, chris, or i don't want to say a search for justice, i don't know what that means as it relates to gabby petito's family. heartbroken, distraught, and they should be, based upon what occurred. but i think at a minimum the authorities will close out the investigation after doing a thorough job, right, and i think that thorough job would include sorting out the facts and issues. i think the authorities in addition to prosecutors will finish presenting the case to the grand jury, potentially get a posthumous indictment, and sit with the family and be transparent with regard to what the findings were, what the evidence shows, with regards to
the circumstances. the second piece is you have to deal with the laundrie family. you have to do an investigation with respect to what they knew and when they knew it. you have to look at those text messages, if any. you have to look at what if anything they did with respect to brian laundrie in potentially giving him a head start, of making misleading or false information, et cetera. if there's any crimes to be had, that will absolutely be pursued, and it should be. >> now, in terms of what they may have known, other than the obvious of common sense and why they wouldn't talk to the petitos, why they wouldn't return the petitos' phone calls, as far as we know they may not have been lawyered up, the petitos didn't even know if gabby was missing, listen to what the lawyer said on "good morning america." >> you told us the laundries knew brian was grieving the night he left, that was on september 13. but gabby's remains weren't discovered until the 19th. why did they think he was grieving? >> brian had been extremely upset, chris and roberta were concerned about him. they expressed to me when he
walked out the door that evening, they wish they could have stopped him, they wish they could have prevented him from going out but he was intent on leaching. >> look, either he didn't mean to use the word "grieving" and he just meant to say distressed. that wasn't his explanation. the only other explanation is he said "grieving" because that's what was communicated to him because the kid knew she was dead and there's only one reason he would know that. >> and he knew, right, that is, brian laundrie knew that gabby petito was dead and that he conveyed that information to his parents with regard to what he did, when he did it, and potentially how he did it. and so, you know, without getting into counsel's mind, i could say either, a, i misspoke, b, he really, you know, didn't mean to say that, didn't mean for it to come out that way. there's a hundred ways you could slice it. let's slice it this way. i think it would defy reasonableness for us to sit here, chris, and believe or imagine that there was no communication at all with regard to what brian did, how he did it, when he did it, where he did it with his parents. he was there for a period of time. i'm sure his parents asked him
the question that's on everyone's mind, where's gabby, where were you, what did you do, how did it happen, what do we do next? and i think those conversations occurred. and i think the attorney certainly, you know, has to be careful in conveying that, because then it leads potentially to culpability, that is, responsibility on the part of gabby petito -- excuse me, of brian laundrie's parents. >> the counselor is going to have to clean it up and he's going to have to do it under not open-ended questions of a news variety. it will have to be of a more direct examination or a cross, rather, about, you said you talked to this kid a couple of times, brian laundrie, a couple of times, is that why you got the idea that he was grieving, because of what he told you? he's going to have to answer to those questions. joey, i appreciate you, no one is better. have a good weekend. we'll rejoin soon enough. the january 6 committee may be getting some big testimony. we'll tell you who and what and why, when it comes to trump's role in the coup attempt. this guy and what he has to say
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bannon defying the january 6 committee, there are some key trumpers cooperating. trump's point man at the doj is a guy named jeffrey clark. now, he is notorious for backing up the big lie. he is expected to testify next friday. we also know alissa farrow, trump's former director of strategic communications, has spoken with republican members of the committee. given trump's popularity on the right, will anything that the panel finds make a difference? is this just for posterity? or is there any sense that it would move the needle in the present? let's ask a man who knows the strategy of running a republican presidential campaign. stuart stevens, it's good to have you. >> good to see you, chris. >> give me your general take on this situation and what matters. >> look, i think you're right, it's not going to make a difference with the republican party. the republican party has become a trump party. it's a white grievance party.
it's very comfortable being what it is. nobody made the republican party feel the way they're doing, act the way they're doing, back donald trump. they're doing it because they want to do it. sometimes i think we lose sight of that. we talk about how trump hijacked the party. none of that happened. trump is the most dominant figure in the republican party. what this is about, i think, is not a search for posterity. it's a search for the truth to help preserve democracy. because really, as much as i find it difficult to say this, because i spent 30 years pointing out flaws in the democratic party, the democratic party is really the pro-democracy party in america now. and republicans have become an autocratic party that is basically anti-democratic. >> i was talking to some good friends who are -- consider themselves, you know, not republicans right now, but they're conservatives, and they've only been in that party,
they say it's bad enough that they won't work on any of the popular policies in the spending bill when they're so popular and so important to red states and red counties and blue states. but now, this big lie thing, they don't even understand it, because they look at the names and faces and think they knew these people. and whether they're silent or talking out their you know what about things they know aren't true, they can't understand how these men and women think it's worth it. what is your insight into that as an insider? >> you know, i ask myself that question, after 2016, it led me to write this book, "it was all a lie." i'll say one thing. i'll never question how 1930s germany happened again. and i'm with your friends. i look at these people, i thought i knew them. a lot of them i worked with, a lot of them i helped elect. i know this isn't who i thought they were. but you are what you do. you ultimately believe in what you will fight for.
and when you don't fight for democracy, it's hard to say you believe in democracy. and what kills me, chris, these are the legacy of the greatest generation. i mean, people like my dad who was just so calm, three years in the south pacific, they came back, they passed off this great democratic legacy. and these people can't even get their com shop to put out a statement saying who won the presidential race? they're not being asked to charge a machine gun, take a beach. it's a pretty low level of commitment. and yet they failed. and it's shocking and depressing. but it's a reality. >> where does it lead us? >> you know, i don't think we know. i think if you look at how modern democracies fade, they fade not in coups, usually, it's not like in chile.
it's like hungary. they fade at the ballot box and the courtroom. i know a lot of these people that are now autocratic people, forces. they think they are going to win. they're very confident. they're very patient. there are a lot of buffoonish figures out there like marjorie taylor greene or matt gaetz. but the people at the core of this are not buffoons. they're serious people who want to take america to a different place than it is now. they don't like the way america is changing. they don't like the fact that if you're 15 years and under, the majority of americans are nonwhite. and ultimately, i think this is about race. and it is about a shrinking white power structure that is desperate to maintain power. and we don't know how it's going to work out. i think if donald trump gets elected president again in 2024 , which certainly could happen,
it will be the last election that we'll recognize as anything we've known. >> we've always been asked the question, we've got to go but i want to keep talking about this, stuart, i've been studying what you've been doing for decades, and people should read "it was all a lie," by the way, it's a really good digest of understanding past and present. i wonder who will change this, i wonder what will change this. i now believe there is as good a chance that the real poisonous part of your party just becomes more obvious about what this is about and starts saying what you're saying now and saying it with bravado, like steve king, "we need more white babies." there's just as good a chance it goes that way than that we get to a better place of being more inclusive. i want to keep talking to you, i can't tonight. i hope you have a good weekend and i hope you come back soon. >> thank you. >> stuart stevens. the book is called "it was all a lie." it's a good read. actually it's not, it's a scary read, but it's an important one. we have a progressive member
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and it's not going to happen. now, the hope is that they can get it hammered out before biden heads out of for the g20 next week. why set that expectation? let's see where things stand with a member of the congressional progressive caucus, representative jimmy gomez. it's good to have you. >> thank you for having me, chris. >> i said in the tease to this segment, will they stop trying to grasp defeat out of the jaws of victory? do you understand why i see it that way? >> i do. i do. let -- let me, first, start by saying that -- um -- your dad's speech in the 1984 convention is not something i got to watch live. i was way too young. but is the speech that i have read over and over, and i have talked about to americans. i believe that the build back better act is to address the problem that your dad defined so eloquently in 1984. that we do live in two americas,
and that we need to help lift up that america that's often left behind. you know, people who are working class, struggling to get by, working two, three jobs like my parents did, to just put food on their table and pay the mortgage without health insurance. so we're going to be working hard to get this done. i got to meet with president biden on tuesday as part of the progressive caucus. and he said that the -- um -- the window is closing. that we have got to get this done. and i agreed with him. i told him in the last five minutes or the last inning of any game, big things happen. dramatic things happen, and we are going to get it done and we are going to get it done by -- by hopefully the end of next week, if not sooner. >> one, i appreciate the good word. two, i don't know that this is the same party that it was in 1984. um, when my father gave that speech. also, you know, the timing matters, congressman. and what you're saying would make perfect sense if you were reassuring the president, don't
worry, we'll get this job done with the republicans. but you're all democrats. and it's like it's a tale of two cities within the party. how do you remedy that? >> one, first, we have to make sure that we're listening to one another. you know, it's a big family and people fight. but we have been able to do that, before. i was actually part of a working group that helped negotiate the new usmca. people thought we couldn't get it done. we ended up getting 194 democrats and 193 republicans, and we got it passed. the most progressive worker-friendly agreement in the history of this country. it was ugly then, and this one is going to be ugly and it's going to be rough but as long as we're listening to each other and at the table, we are going to get programs that are going to help people. everything from housing investing and housing, making sure that we have enough investment in climate change to actually stop some of the damage that's being caused, medicare expansion, child-tax credit. >> they're all very popular in red and blue places.
>> exactly. >> no question. but it's not going to be exactly the way everybody wants. it's not going to be the ideal. >> anything to get done, congressman, is going to be historic progress in that area since the new deal. one last, quick thing. do you believe that you will really have something real before he leaves for the g20 in the middle of next week? >> that 's our goal. our goal is to put our shoulders down, to listen -- listen. and people are negotiating as we speak. >> all right. >> i mean, you know congress, if it doesn't have a deadline, they'll keep debating forever, especially the senate. so this is the deadline is by -- by the time leaves, he has a framework in place that he can tout on the national and international stage. >> right. well, we'll see and i appreciate you. welcome back. you are welcome back anytime to discuss it. congressman jimmy gomez, god bless and be well. >> thank you. >> all right. let me hop to break, we come back with the handoff. this... is the planning effect. this is how it feels to know you have a wealth plan
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