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as possible, you know, as running against her maybe in that primary, wolf. >> very interesting indeed. brian todd, excellent report. thank you very, very much. and to our viewers, thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfront next. breaking news. the 9-1-1 call from the set of alec baldwin's movie revealing new details tonight, as questions grow over how a cinematographer could be accidentally shot and killed with a prop gun. plus, the anti-vax movement about to get the trump treatment. the former president's son headlining a conference that claims it will reveal the truth about vaccines. what does eric trump know about vaccines? and u.s. capitol police officer harry dunn on steve bannon's refusal to cooperate with the january 6th committee
and the never-before-seen footage of the insurrection that he experienced firsthand. let's go outfront. good evening, everyone, i am a' kate bolduan in for erin burnett. the 911 call from the tragic shooting on the set of alec baldwin's new film revealing new details act what exactly happened. the call coming in really moments after baldwin fired a prop gun, killing cinematographer and injuring the director of the film, joel souza. listen to this. >> emergency. >> two people accidentally shot on a movie set by a prop gun. >> was it loaded with a real bullet? >> we don't -- i don't -- i cannot tell you that. we have two injuries from a movie gunshot. >> okay. we are getting them out there already. >> the shooting happened thursday at a ranch in new mexico. and tonight, newly surfaced video shows the type of gun training at least one actor
received on set just days before the shooting. one of baldwin's co-stars actually talked about working with the film's armor. >> they had me -- they had me pick my gun. they're like all right, what -- what gun would you -- would you like? and i was like i don't know. and the armor was like, you have gun experience? what's a gun? and i was like, a little? and she's like, okay, well this is how you load it. this is how -- this is how we check it, make sure it's safe. so she is like okay i'm going to put some blanks in there. and i want you to just go and fire off a couple rounds towards the hill. and i was like okay, so i bet the belt on. i put the gun there and i walked out and she is just like make sure you pull the hammer all the way back and you aim at your target. >> that exchange giving us something of a glimpse inside the training that the cast received on weapons. nick watt is outfront tonight. live in los angeles, for us. nick, what more are you learning?
>> reporter: well, kate, a search warrant has been issued for the bonanza creek ranch where this happened. and sheriffs tell us that they will be carefully combing it over this weekend. the local da says at this time, we do not know if any charges will be filed. now, it seems like this was an accident. but the question is, was it someone's fault? >> two people accidentally shot on a movie set by a prop gun. we need help, immediately. >> reporter: this is the set that director joel souza was injured, the director of photography was killed. two individuals were shot on the set of "rust" according to the santa fe, new mexico, sheriff's office when a prop firearm was discharged by alec baldwin. baldwin distraught in the sheriff's parking lot after questioning. the investigation remains open and active. no charges have been filed.
a prop firearm should shoot only blanks. >> with a blank round, you would have everything you normally have in a real round but you don't have the bullet on it the end of if so when it fires, you get the flash, you get the bang, you get the recoil, you get the exposure but you don't get the bullet flying out the end of the gun. that doesn't mean blank rounds are safe. >> reporter: hutchins posted this video the day before she died. horse riding on a day off. one of the perks of shooting a western, she wrote. born in ukraine, hutchins started out as a journalist, then moved to the u.s. to study and work in the movies. named a rising star in 2019 by american cinematographer magazine. she was 42. >> she kind of brought that eye that she had from documentaries and nonfiction filmmaking to, again, action movies and horror movies so they had this sort of immediacy and realism, as well as this eye for beauty that she had and itself a really unique
look. >> a death on set like this, rare but not unique. brandon lee was shot and killed on the set of "the crow" in '93. a blank was fired but dislodged part of a live round stuck in the barrel. in '84 on the set of the show "coverup" an actor jokingly put a prop gun to his head and pulled the trigger. and pressure and wadding from the blank killed him. rust starring and bruced by baldwin hinges on the accidental killing of a rancher in 1880s kansas. this morning, baldwin tweeted there are no words to convey my shock and sadness. i am fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this tragedy occurred. my heart is broken for her husband, their son, and all who knew and loved helena. now, her husband has spoken to
"insider" and said i don't think there are words to communicate the situation. the bold facts are these. his wife was shot. hutchins was shot. shortly before 2:00 thursday afternoon. she was helicoptered to a hospital. and there, she was pronounced dead. >> kate. >> so many questions beyond that of the thank you, nick. kevin fraser, host of entertainment tonight and john patterson, former movie armor. he also worked on the brandon lee film "the crow." kevin, you have been covering this since this broke. you have been working your sources. what are you hearing tonight? >> well, we're z-- we are hearig what the l.a. times reported about the union members who walked off the set and they were concerned about the safety onset. that there were reports of a gun misfiring, before. and that they were also concerned about air o their hotel rooms and being paid. now, all of this turns into a situation where they walk off set and they are replaced by
nonunion members. and then, just six hours later, this accident happens. and people are very upset and also heartbroken. >> heartbroken for sure. john, there are lots of safety protocols for weapons on any set. i want to play, again, what baldwin's co-star said just days ago about gun training. >> they had me -- they had me pick my gun. they were like all right. what -- what gun would you -- would you like? and i was like, i don't know. and the armor was like, you have gun experience? like, what's a gun? and i was like, a little. i'm -- and she's like okay, well, this is how you load it. this is how -- this is how we check it, make sure it's safe. so she is like okay, i'm going to put some blanks in there and i want you to just go and fire off a couple counseleds towards the hill. and i was like, i put the belt on, i put the gun there and i walked out and she is like just make sure you, you know, you
pull the hammer all the way back and you aim at your target. >> is there anything in what they are describing there that raises any concerns to you? john, can you hear me? >> oh, yes, yes, i didn't know you were speaking to me. the question again? >> in what -- the actors are describing as some of the training they received and how it was described, obviously, a lot of people are looking at it in a different light now. is there anything in what you've heard that -- that -- and how they're describing the safety -- the safety, the training they received ahead of shoot -- ahead of filming that raises any concern to you? >> well, yeah. it -- it seemed like it was a very cavalier attitude throughout the whole process there. on both sides of the camera. >> i want you both, if you could, kevin, since you were referencing it, the complaints
that your sources are talking to you about. complaints that you were hearing from onset can you elaborate more about that? >> sure, kate, and i also want to mention that entertainment tonight has been contacted by the production company and in a statement, they told us that they are launching internal investigation into everything that happened on the set. um, but that there were no official complaints. now, meanwhile, these crew members according to the l.a. times had -- had complained about driving 50 miles from albuquerque, each way, to the set because they had been promised hotel rooms. they also complained about conditions on the set where allegedly a gun had misfired twice, before. and then, they also felt like -- according to the l.a. times and these sources -- that they hadn't been paid. so, in these -- when these crew members walked off set and they were union members, they were told that if they didn't leave the set, they were going to --
that direction was going to call security. they were replaced by nonunion members, but that ms. hutchins stayed on, along with one other camera operator. and it -- it -- you see this happen. and then, the tragedy happens so close to the time where they walked off the set. and the local -- um -- the local union did offer a statement where they claimed and -- and they talked about what actually went on. that there -- that these guns were given to the actors by nonunion members, just to clarify that. the people who they feel do this a lot weren't there. >> cnn has not confirmed the reporting -- this reporting. i just want to be clear on that. but -- but, john, tell me what you think about kevin's reporting here. >> well, it -- it's -- i -- i'm kind of shocked at it. it sounds like there were a lot of people involved on the periphery that shouldn't have been there, and the attitude as
i said before, sounds kind of cavalier about the whole thing. you know, it's something that over the years, i've taken very seriously. and i have worked with very serious prop masters and weapons people. and it's -- it's -- it's kind of shocking to hear some of this stuff. that the -- again, the kind of yahoo attitude about the thing. it's -- you know, it's -- the gun doesn't do anything that the person holding it or loading it is capable of doing. it's -- um -- i -- i -- i'm really kind of shocked to hear what -- what was going on there. that's not the way it's done. or should be done. >> well, it is much more to be learned again. cnn has not confirmed the details of that reporting. but kevin, according to foirns, detectives, the way they have described it is that the detectives are investigating how
and what type of projectile was discharged. like, on its most basic, what happened that killed helena hutchins? what are you hearing about, you know, this projectile, kevin? >> well, in the -- in the statement that came from the union, they said that the principal actor discharged a round that then was what hit and killed ms. hutchins. so that is in the statement. and we don't know for sure exactly what was in that gun. but it has been described by multiple sources and also the authorities as a live round. now, um, i have been on a lot of sets and when guns are involved, it -- the -- the treatment of those firearms are meticulous. and in a lot of sets, even during rehearsals, they won't let you even use rubber guns. they make the actors hold up their hands or their fingers. so it, you know, in most situations, guns are handled as dangerous firearms.
and so, there is -- there will be a lot of questions about how this weapon, with a -- what is being described as a live round -- then got into alec baldwin's hands. >> yeah. kevin, thank you very much for being here. john, thank you, as well. outfront for us next, eric trump headlining a conference that promises to reveal the truth. that's what they say. about the covid vaccine. when did eric trump become a vaccine expert? plus, there is also breaking news a top-trump ally from the justice department who tried to help trump overturn the election now agreeing to meet with the january 6th select committee. and vice president kamala harris telling democrats to step up and make a deal on biden's sweeping spending bill. are they listening?
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he still died. well, he knew he had serious underlying conditions. and it would be difficult. he clearly would have gone earlier, had he not gotten the vaccine -- had he not gotten the -- the -- the shots. but my generic point is there's so much misinformation. you know what i find fascinating? i turn on fox to find out how popular i am. but all kidding aside, one of the things i find, you realize they mandate vaccinations? >> at fox headquarters. >> yeah. i find that mildly fascinating. >> but to their credit, some republicans are standing up to this misinformation. here is new hampshire's republican governor speaking to erin last night about how he takes on vaccine misinformation being pushed in his state. >> when crazy comes knocking at the door, you got to slam it shut. there is just absolutely no place for the misinformation, the crazy-conspiracy theories, all that kind of nonsense. i don't care what party you're from. >> right. out front now, dr. jonathan
reiner, he advised the white house medical team under president george w. bush and brian stelter, anchor of reliable sources, cnn chief media correspondent. dr. reiner, the website for this weekend event promises a conference that, quote, reveals the truth about vaccines. trump's son and roger stone will be speaking. neither, a doctor. this is dangerous, what's happening. why are some people so obsessed with conspiracy theories surrounding vaccines? >> well, kate, i think in the united states, fear and igno ignorance have always been a very toxic mixture. in this country, it's fueled racism and anti-semitism and xenophobia. and now, in this pandemic, it's fueled vaccine hesitancy or refusal. and it's being promulgated on -- on facebook and through conservative news outlets, like
fox news. you can turn fox news on almost every night and cynically, you see folks like tucker carlson not out and out telling folks not to get vaccinated. but asking questions. just asking questions. now, this event in nashville is, ironically, or maybe not ironically, being held in a state with one of the worst rates of vaccination in the united states. only about 48% of the citizens of that state are fully vaccinated. about 20% lower than the national average. so, they are going into a place with -- with people who have great doubts about vaccines. and are now spreading out-and-out falsehoods. what is eric trump going to do? he is going -- he is going to say that his father's vaccine, the vaccine that his father takes full credit for, is somehow a fraud? what -- what is he there to do? >> that is a great question, dr. reiner. brian, you heard, also, biden go directly at fox news about all of this.
i mean, one of fox's longtime anchors is a cancer survivor who also has ms, and he is announced that he had tested positive for covid. and as part of his statement announcing his positive test result, he also said this in his statement. he said -- he said had i not been vaccinated, and with all my medical issues, this could be a far more dire situation. i hope anyone and everyone gets that message loud and clear. get vaccinated for yourself and everyone around you. yet, you have noted that fox news has been silent on his endorsement of vaccines. even in the world of hard to believe that many people live in over there, that's still shocking. >> they have not covered the statement. they have not read the statement out loud the way you have on cnn's air. other channels have been giving his statement more attention than the network he works at. look, he test $positive monday. he is reportedly doing well.
he is well enough to give an interview on television this weekend. hopefully, he will have a very mild case and get to the other side of it. but the idea that one of fox's top most veteran anchors gets sick with covid, promotes vaccines, encourages viewers to get vaccines. and then fox ignores it, doesn't read the statement, doesn't talk about him. only gives viewers brief updates on his condition. doesn't share his words with the pu public. it's disgraceful and it's evidence of what dr. reiner was saying about this conservative m media apparatus that has prolonged the pandemic by standing in the way of progress. i am glad we are sharing it because fox is not and it is a sign of broader illness, frankly, on the -- on the right and on right-wing media. >> dr. reiner, it may not be surprising at this point to hear misinformation about the vaccines on fox news. but it is also now coming from florida's -- florida's new surgeon general. who, yesterday, questioned the vaccine's safety with no
evidence. listen. >> part of the reason that people are not comfortable -- some people are not comfortable with these vaccines -- is because the climate of dishonesty, scientific dishonesty about the science. the reality of what -- what -- how safe these vaccines are -- is -- is absolutely not public. >> the reality of how safe they are is -- is not public, meaning -- i guess, he's not necessarily saying they're -- it's not safe but it is safe. i mean, he is claiming doctors are lying or not telling the truth or hiding the safety and efficacy of vaccines. he is a medical doctor, and he specializes, dr. reiner, in cardiovascular disease. what do you say to him? >> well, i'm ashamed of him. look. he is the surgeon general of that state. and the surgeon general of the united states or of any state in the union, their job is to be an advocate for the people who live in that state.
to help protect them from illness and injury and to tell them the truth about their health and how to promote their health. and what the doctor is doing is actually lying to the public about the safety of vaccines. so let me just say it straight out. these vaccines have been incredibly vetted. they -- they've been given to hundreds of millions of americans and billions of people around the world. he needs to tell the truth to his -- to his citizens. he reminds me of scott atlas who -- governor desantis's acolyte -- donald trump, governor desantis idol brought in to basically toe the line when trump was president. >> dr. reiner, thank you for coming on. great to see you. brian, thank you so much. outfront for us next, u.s. cap tool police officer harry dunn is my next. why he says he believes steven bannon committed a crime and his
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breaking news. cnn learning jeffrey clark, the former-top justice department official who tried to help donald trump push the big lie and overturn the election -- he's agreeing to meet with the january 6th select committee next friday. this, after a new hbo documentary called "four hours at the capitol" reveals previously-unseen and disturbing footage of the deadly insurrection. video that is extremely hard to watch, especially for those who lived in, including my next guest, u.s. capitol police officer harry dunn, who told us he just brought himself to be able to watch the whole thing. here is some of the new footage of an attack on his fellow officer, michael fanone. >> i remember just kind of getting pounded from every side.
and then, i remember people yelling out to get his gun. kill him with his gun. and then, i started getting tased at the base of my skull. and it was excruciatingly painful. >> outfront with me now is officer harry dunn. that's so hard to -- it's -- we've seen so many angles, harry, it's so hard to see it. i do want to point out, just you are speaking on your own personal capacity tonight. not speaking for the u.s. capitol police. but thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. thank you for having me on. i appreciate it. >> i know you just watched that entire documentary. nine months later, officer dunn,
have you been able to make sense of that day? >> no, just bluntly, no. um, i have been able to -- i got to meet michael fanone. we've become pretty good friends over the last couple months. um, two completely different individuals, completely different backgrounds, fighting for the same rights, for the same dignity, for the same justice. um, i've seen his body-camera footage over and over, again. i've heard his stories over and over, again. and just seeing it just then, it still just -- it's rough to watch. it's really rough to watch. um, but yeah, go back to your question, no, it doesn't make any sense. i -- i still can't fathom it. so -- >> it is -- it is so vivid. it is so visceral. it's so -- it's so absurdly
shocking to see it. and it's so many angles of it. i mean, it is offering -- it -- it -- the documentary offers firsthand accounts from officers like yourself. from lawmakers who were targeted. also, offers firsthand accounts from protestors and rioters and i want to play for you what the founder of cowboys for trump said is -- said in the documentary. and i said -- i mean, he makes -- he tries to say that it wasn't donald trump's supporters who attacked. >> yeah. >> i think that you're really stretching whenever you say that it was supporters of president trump that did it. just because somebody has a trump shirt on or a trump hat on, can you guarantee that that person is a trump supporter? you have to be very careful with assumptions.
>> you were there. i mean, what do you say to someone trying to argue that? >> i don't have to be careful with assumptions. they told us they were there because donald trump sent them. donald trump told us to come. that dude is nuts. period. i -- that -- i guess that's one thing i did say about the dock yu documentary. they couldn't find a decent guy to talk -- well, i guess there weren't many decent people there so i guess the pickings of who to talk to that day, it was slim. but there was no assumptions. they said out their own mouth that donald trump sent us. so whatever. >> it's -- it's -- i find myself grasping for words to try to talk about it. i see, honestly, harry, i see the anger bubble up in you just even talking about this again. >> it's frustrating. um, i tell you what, though, one thing about that day -- and excuse me, that documentary -- i've said it a couple times that
if you ask a hundred different people to tell us what happened january 6th, you would get 100 different answers, 100 different horror stories if you talked to 100 different officers. w it wasn't just the officers that day who were under attack, the staff people that worked in the building were under attack, the congress. everybody suffered some sort of trauma that day. it wasn't just us, police officers. so i want to make that clear. yeah, the police officers, we took the physical brunt of it. um, but there was a lot to -- a lot that went on that day that -- that traumatized a lot of people in this country. people have reached out to me said i was justi watching it on tv and it was just hard, hurtful and hard to watch. so a lot of people experienced some trauma that day. >> journalists reporting on it from inside have experienced a lot of trauma from it, too. from -- a lot of my friends talking about that, as well. >> yeah. they -- they have. i have talk today a few of them, too.
and you have. >> i want to read for you what -- um -- donald trump said just this week about this. because this gets to an important point of where -- where this conversation has gone. he said the insurrection took place on november 3rd. election day. january 6th, he says, was the protest. and i -- in seeing that, wi wanted to ask you are you arounded about how much this has turned even further from the truth? from republicans arguing that this wasn't that bad? to now, trying to say it didn't happen at all? >> it's troubling. it's troubling but it's not surprising. the longer people keep telling themselves lies, the -- the more they continue to believe it themselves. so of course, his supporters and -- they are going to continue to believe him because they believe in them -- in him. and if they have to go back on
saying, you know what? maybe, he was wrong. that makes them look bad so they will just continue to double down, triple down, and just push it until who knows what happens next? i'm not surprised. it's just disappointing, though. >> yeah. i just continuously wonder with fear where this all goes. where does this end up? and that is the sad and terrifying kind of unknown right now. that's what the committee is about that is investigating and trying to get answers to exactly what happened, to try to avoid what i fear where this all ends up. thank you, officer dunn, for coming on. >> thank you very fog me. i appreciate it. >> really appreciate it. outfront for us next. president biden laying out the harsh reality of what's in his sweeping spending bill. and what's not. >> these american family plan will finally provide up to 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave. can't get 12 weeks.
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new tonight. we'll get this done. house speaker nancy pelosi vowing that democrats will reach a deal on president biden's sweeping economic agenda. a deal they had hoped would be hammered out by today. but it clearly has not been. as democrats remain divided over what exactly is in the bill and what is now going to be getting cut. vice president kamala harris sent members of congress this message today. >> so, i'm here today to ask people to see this moment for what it is. and to step up. we can do this. it is the right thing to do. >> outfront now, democratic congressman from new york, jamal bowman. he was with the vice president at this event earlier today. congressman, thanks for coming in. so speaker pelosi says that she is hopeful there could be votes next week on the spending bill
and the bipartisan infrastructure bill. is that realistic to you? >> yes, it is s. we've been working and negotiating around the clock to make sure we get this done. you know, discussions are happening at the white house with both progressives and moderates. and we are getting closer to being on the same page. now, everyone, you know, neither side is going to get everything that they want. but some of the essential provisions that progressives were looking for, like childcare, 3k programs, violence reduction, and some climate action are still parts of the bill at this time. but it's -- a lot is still being negotiated and like i said, we're all working around the clock. >> president biden. i mean, he has made a lot of promises about what he wanted to see in this spending bill. as -- as the long lead-up to this. i want to play you some of those promises up against what is the reality that he laid out in the
"cnn town hall." >> big corporations and superwealthy have to start paying their fair share of taxes. it's long overdue. she says she will not raise a single penny in taxes on the corporate side and/or on wealthy people. and then, i want to add two years of free community college for evan. everyone. [ applause ] and we can afford it. mr. manchin and one other person has indicated they will not support free community college. these american family plan will finally provide up to 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave. and the reason it's down to four, because they can't get 12 weeks. >> there was a lot about a lot that we heard last night. do you see the deal that's coming together as breaking promises? >> i do not. first of all, i want to applaud president biden for being at the table for so long.
negotiating, both, the bipartisan infrastructure framework as well as the build back better act. he is very involved. he understands the importance -- importance of this. especially, as we respond to covid. the president had a vision, you know, and i align with his vision to invest at least $6 trillion into our economy and to deal with the issues that are catastrophic, like climate change and many others. but he is not king biden. he is not emperor biden. he's president biden. and he has to work within the framework of congress and our democracy. and the majority of democrats are working in alignment with him. unfortunately, there are one or two, particularly in the senate, who have their own agenda that doesn't align with polling, doesn't align with the working class, and doesn't align with the majority of congress. so, he's still negotiating and we're still working with him. but he's not king biden, he's
president biden and we have a democracy. >> so, one of the people you are talking about is kyrsten sinema and she's made clear she does not support tax hikes on corporations. biden laid that out last night. senate democrats are now looking at what they are calling a billionaires' tax. it would raise hundreds of billions off of the richest of the rich, about 700 people. would you support that instead of the initial tax hike plan to pay for this thing? >> well, i would like for both things to happen. i think it's far past time for large corporations to pay their fair share. >> but if it doesn't because of the makeup of how this deal's coming together, what do you think of that? >> well, you asked me what i want. what i want is large corporations paying their fair share, international corporations paying their fair share. a billionaire's tax. taxes on unrealized capital gains, as well as a polluters pay climate fund because we know the top polluters of our
environment. those who have been the biggest contributors to climate change, we know who they are and they should pay into a fund to help us clean up the climate. as opposed to what's been happening, which we continue to give subsidies to fossil fuel industries, without holding them accountable for the climate damage they have caused. >> so how to pay for this is still not decided. that's what i hear tonight. thank you so much, congressman, for coming in. >> thank you so much. good to be here. >> making progress but not there yet. outfront next. brian laundrie's remains now in the hands of a forensic anthropologist who could soon answer the question that has stumped investigators. and china with a warning tonight for president biden who vowed to protect taiwan in cnn's town hall.
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speaking out on their behalf. >> yesterday was, you know, very hard on them. as i'm sure everybody can imagine. >> reporter: while the fbi confirms the skeletal remains found in the carlton reserve were brian laundrie's, the family attorney says the family had discussed the possibility of suicide. >> you know, we had that conversation between the three of us, chris, roberta, and myself. several times. you know, we just do not know. um, of course, knowing his mental state when he walked out the door, it was always a concern. >> reporter: these new details raising more questions about what the family knew the night brian disappeared. >> brian had been extremely upset. chris and roberta were very concerned about him. they expressed that to me that when he walked out the door that evening, they wish they could have stopped him. they wish they could have, you know, prevented him from going out but he was intent on leaving. and -- and chris said to me, you know, in hindsight, i know i couldn't stop him. >> reporter: why brian was extremely upset, their attorney wouldn't say.
but this was six days before gabby's body was found at a campsite in wyoming. >> i been quite clear on this from the is beginning when it comes to the fbi, we have absolutely nothing to say with respect to the gabby petito incident. with respect to brian, we have been cooperating from day one. and, you know, those are two different -- from a legal perspective -- those are two different scenarios. >> reporter: along with brian's remains, police say a backpack, a notebook, and clothing belonging to him were also found nearby. >> so, we are -- >> reporter: but whether they will provide any answers about what happened to his fiancee gabby petito is still unknown. the notebook, a possible key to so many unanswered questions as to what happened to brian and gabby. but finding those clues could take time. >> that will need to be processed. want to make sure that's handled as carefully as possible. you only get one shot at these types of items. to hurry up and, you know, rifle through that potentially
damaging it would, you know, would not be helpful. >> reporter: as for how brian laundrie died, that remains an unanswered question. any waeapons found? >> i can't get into that information. >> reporter: and kate, as you mentioned earlier, his i remains, the remains found here at this reserve have been sent to a forensic anthropologist. this will be the next step for forensic -- or excuse me -- for investigators to try to get to the bottom of not only the manner of death, but also the cause of death in the case of brian laundrie. >> leyla, thank you so much for that. outfront with me now is tim clemente. former fbi special agent. he was part of the search team who tracked the olympic park bomber, eric rudolph. tim, you heard from leyla the morning the laundrie family attorney said brian -- brian's parents described him as upset when he left the house. and that they wished that they would have stopped him. there are so many questions
around their actions that everyone reads into anything the attorney says because he says so little. what -- what questions does this raise for you? >> it raises all the questions i could possibly imagine anyone thinking of. what did they know? when did they know it? clearly, gabby's body wasn't found for six days after he left but where was she? and it didn't even occur to them apparently to ask him? they haven't put that information forward as far as he returns with her vehicle without her. it's his fiancee. she's not with him. is he upset because they broke up? okay. where is she? how is she? how is she doing? but it seems like the parents were only concerned with the wellbeing of their son, and not with his future bride to be. >> when brian's remains were found, the fbi -- um -- was able to confirm, like, within a day that it was him. and today, now his remains were sent to a forensic anthropologist. what does that mean to you? what do you think that means?
i mean, do you see that as a delay in sharing his cause of death? >> no, i think they have to determine that. the problem with the situation when a body has been in a wet environment, especially, for several weeks now possibly five weeks in that one place. the decomposition, alone, could be almost 100% of the -- all the soft tissue. so you may be lift with mostly just a skeleton. now, if he took pills to overdose to kill himself, if he shot himself, if he slit his wrist. if you use one of those forms of killing yourself, there is the possibility that you would see slash marks on the wrist bones or perhaps a bullet hole in the skull. something like that is very evident, very easy to see. but you still have to prove that that was him that did it. and so, there had to be a weapon on scene. the answer we heard from the officer saying i can't get into that about whether or not there was a weapon on scene leads me to believe there might have been. >> as with everything with this, the questions remain and more can be learned. thank you, tim, appreciate it
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or go online today. tonight, china warning the u.s. against sending any wrong signals on taiwan. china's foreign ministry saying, quote, no foreign or outside interference is tolerated. this is after president biden in a "cnn town hall" talked about how he would respond if beijing attacked taiwan. >> can you vow to protect taiwan? >> yes and yes. i just want to make china understand that we are not going to step back, we are not going to change any of our views. >> so are you saying that -- that the united states would come to taiwan's defense if china attacked? >> yes, we have a commitment to do that. >> the white house immediately clarifying biden's comments, though. saying there is no change to
america's longstanding policy of strategic ambiguity toward taiwan. but beijing heard that -- what biden said and the stakes couldn't be higher, as china sends a record number of warplanes into taiwan's defense zone, including fighter jets and nuclear-capable bombers. thanks for joining us tonight. i'm kate bolduan. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. we begin tonight with breaking news, and unanswered questions in the fatal shooting with a prop handgun on the set of an alec baldwin movie that wounded the film's director and took the life of the director of photography, helena hutchins. it happened near santa fe, new mexico. baldwin himself pulled the trigger and as hard as it might be to believer, this is the third such deadly incident involving prop firearms. in a moment, new word on working conditions on set, specifically whether safety protocols were followed. first, though, the