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got its race based jerry mannedering thrown out by the courts from taking a state with a one-point spread in the 2020 election and trying to build on their current 8-5 congressional seat advantage. over 70% of ohio voted in 2515. their wishes are being stymied. in virginia, bipartisan restricting commission hit a stalemate. in new york, a new independent commission has failed the get bipartisan support. what's clear is that while a minority of republicans can block federal election reforms in washington, simple majorities can pass unrepresentative partisan maps in the states. either way, the will of the people is once again being trumped by the rigged system of redistricting, making real representative democracy the only sure loser. and that's your "reality check." . >> john avlon, thank you very
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much. in you day continues right now. welcome to to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm brianna keilar with john berman. it is thursday, october 21st. a critical day for the biden presidency as democrats are on the verge of a breakthrough economic deal or still struggling to reach one. and tonight the stage is set >> can the president close the deal? we could see it happen in realtime tonight in a cnn presidential townhall. but arizona's democratic senator kyrsten sinema has one more issue that could derail the entire deal. jeremy diamond live at the townhall site in baltimore. jeremy, what's the hold up now? >> reporter: well, listen, john, president biden is certainly ramping up his public push to sell his domestic agenda even as lawmakers in washington are still working to actually finalize the actual elements and the contours of this
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reconciliation package. a senior official i spoke with this morning told me that the president sees this as an opportunity to have a conversation with the american people directly. the white house believes that these townhall formats certainly play to the president's strengths as a politician, to be able to have the one-on-one conversations, to bring some some of those personal anecdotes that the president likes to do. it's also a way for the president to be able to reframe this debate, which for weeks has been centered on the back and forth, the push and pull before the warring factions around the democratic party on what exactly is at stake. what we heard from the white house and the president yesterday in scranton, pennsylvania, it's about giving middle-class, working-class people a little bit more breathing room. that is the wail the white house sees this. and they want to phone us on some of the benefits and central provisions that they want to ensure stay in this bill even as other provisions like free community college, for example, are already being pushed aside in order to lower the price tag
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t. now, the president in a week from now is leaving on his second foreign trip, which includes that cop 26 summit in glasgow, the climate summit. the president has been using that as part of a sales pitch to lawmakers, warning american credibility, prestige is on the line and he needs the climate provisions as he heads to that summit. at the same time, though, i spoke with two senior administration officials who made clear with or without this reconciliation deal they believe he can head into the summit with a strong effort on environmental issues and always executive action is on the table. >> jeremy diamond, live on the townhall site in baltimore, thank you very much. i will speak with barbara lee about all of this in just moments. also happening today, the full house expected to vote on a criminal contempt referral for tramp ally, former top aide steve bannon. he continues to defy a subpoena
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on the attack on the u.s. capitol. michael fannone was brutally attacked by insurrectionists while protecting the capitol that day. mike, thank you for coming in and chatting with us. liz cheney suggesting that trump and bannon may have plotted in attack, that they actually may have been very involved in plotting this. what have you thought about that? >> i'm not a part of the investigative process. i came and gave my testimony as a witness to that day. i mean, if those allegations are true, then i want accountability. this is what this whole process has been about for me. it's accountability for elected officials and individuals involved in their political
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apparatus who may have, you know, contributed to the events of that day either through their rhetoric, insightful rhetoric or some overt action just as much as it's about getting accountability for the individuals who perpetrated the attack, not just on me but on the capitol complex itself and the hundreds of other officers that responded that day to defend the capitol. but it's also about accountability for law enforcement not only, you know, bringing to light the fill kwrers of that day but addressing them through training, equipment, the resources officers need to protect themselves in that type of environment. i want to see real accountability for that day. >> steve bannon is not cooperating. he is not cooperating with a
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subpoena. and this is being referred today to the attorney general. what is your message to the attorney general as you call for accountability about what he should do with this criminal contempt referral? >> i don't really have a message for the attorney general. i certainly wouldn't want anyone to tell me how to do my job. he knows what his responsibilities are. he took the same oath that i did. i understand that this has become, you know -- or some individuals are treating this like political theater. me, myself, and many other americans are taking this very seriously, and i want to see those individuals take it seriously. and if they don't, they need to be held accountable. we have a process if you defy a subpoena, you should be held criminally liable. . >> former secretary of state condoleezza rice was talking about this look into january
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6th. and she said this. >> now, i think what senator mcconnell may be referencing is, yes, it's time to move on in a lot of ways. i'm one who believes that the american people are now concerned about what we call their kitchen table issues, the price of gasoline, inflation, what's happening to kids in school. >> she's saying time to move on. what do you think? >> i would love to move on. i talk to officers all the time. many of them are just tired of the january 6th narrative for the simple fact that they don't see anything happening. they've given up on the process. for me and my law enforcement career,s i've been part of a lot of cases. sometimes they're not as interesting or sexy as other cases. but it's the job. that's how i look at this.
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until there's real accountability or every means of attaining accountability has been exhausted, i will continue to bring attention to the events of january 6th and how we got here. my hope is that, you know, aside from the specific individuals, the former president, his sycophants, i think -- you know, we tend to get distracted. and it's not to say he's not or doesn't potentially bear some responsibility here. but donald trump did not create the environment that we live in now. he just did a, you know, an amazing job of exploiting it for his own personal benefit. and i think every american needs to look at their own actions and
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what part they may have played, however small in, you know, the events that led up to january 6th. this is a greater discussion for the entire country, not just for republicans, not just for democrats, for americans. >> what's been clear to me talking to you over the months is that it's just hard to move on when there is no closure. . >> correct. i don't even think we've begun the process of closure, unfortunately. and it seems like there's a whole lot of people in congress right now. they happen to be republicans that are trying to stand in the way of that process. >> so -- well, some say move on. there are actually a lot of people who say, from what? let's listen to what some trump supporters think. >> oh, antifa, like the corrupt
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fbi, basically rinos, corrupt politicians, the deep state, all of that. . >> i don't believe it was people like me and people like you see over there in that crowd that did it. . >> antifa was used. other groups like that. . >> it seemed like a lot of them were going into the capitol to attack nancy pelosi >> who? which one? the one with the bull horns. he's not a trump supporter. i don't care what his resume says. he's not a trump supporter. >> what do you do with that? >> i don't know. you can lead a horse to water, i guess, but you can't make them drink. again, this is -- those people are responsible, you know, their own thoughts and how they come to their own conclusions. it doesn't help when elected
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leaders are lying about the events of january 6th, not participating in or being dishonest about the discussion as to how we got here, and continuing to pledge feelity to a leader who i think whose only interest is self-interest and continues to, you know, perpetrate lies for his own political were gain. in some ways, i feel sorry for those people. . >> why? >> i mean, they're being lied to. they're being manipulated, exploited. and they're americans, too. >> as frustrating as this situation is right now, as you look for accountability, the truth is, it could get worse. the clock may very likely run out on all of this.
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that is clearly what some of the legal maneuvering is for former president trump and his associates. where would that leave accountability for the insurrection? >> i don't know. again, i'm unfamiliar with the political process of attaining accountability. sometimes that seems like an oxymoron. i guess it would be left with the department of justice to seek criminal accountability for those who may be criminally culpable. i mean, i feel, in my humble opinion, that there's quite a few. >> we've talked a lot in recent months. and you've been so honest about the mental health and physical health challenges that you faced in the wake of the riots. how are you doing now? >> i mean, i'm -- as far as like
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processing the events of that day, i mean, i've -- i think i'm doing pretty damn well. it's been a long, long haul. my physical injuries have healed. i'm kind of in limbo right now with the department waiting to go back to full duty. but that is my plan, to return to full duty. >> do you feel like you're on the upswing right now? how do you look at the trajectory of how things have been following then sur recollection until now? >> it's been more of a roller coaster ride than the pendulum swinging from one end to the other. some days i feel like we're making some headway, and others i feel like, you know, the more
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realistic approach is that this is going to eventually pass from our memory bank, collective memory bank as americans with no accountability whatsoever. . >> well, mike, thank you. you always come on and remind us why it can't, why it shouldn't. i really were appreciate you speaking with us this morning. michael fannone. . >> yes, ma'am. thank you. >> major new developments overnight in the search for brian laundrie. suspected human remains and what appear to be some of brian laundrie's belongings in the nature reserve in an area that had recently been under water. the hraup dry family lawyer says the probability is strong that it is brian. he also says it was laundrie's father who discovered his son's bag in the park. . >> it was my understanding they were followed closely by the two law enforcement personnel. at some point chris locates what's called a dry bag. they looked at the contents of
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the bag. at that time, law enforcement officers showed a picture on a phone of a backpack that law enforcement had located also nearby and also some distance off the trail. at that point, the laundries were notified there was also remains near the backpack and they were asked to leave the preserve. >> of course gabby petito's body was found a month ago in wyoming. joining me is inside edition deborah nor victim. i have a lot to ask you. just first, reflect on this moment. what appear to be human remains. they think it is brian laundrie at this moment. . >> well, this moment and that admission by steve better lino, gives the laundrie family something that many family members of missing peppers don't get.
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that is closure and certainty of what happened to their loved one. in, indeed, as he says, the remains have been found. and they're just partial remains. dna typing will be able to determine if it is brian laundrie. if those are his remains, the laundrie family will have the same closure and certainty of knowing their loved one is dead that the petito family has had. of course wednesday's discoveries raise so many more new questions about how these items were found and any potential involvement of the laundrie parents. >> talk to me more about that. what questions do you have? >> from the beginning when gabby petito went missing in early december and was reported and law enforcement came to the laundrie home, they were immediately greeted with a note which said please refer all questions to your attorney. so from the get-go, they had shut down any personal
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interaction with law enforcement. that makes it highly skeptical for some that mr. laundrie would have been able to walk off the path and within moments find the bag that was believed to be a wet bag brian laundrie would have had in his possession when he went camping if indeed that's what he did in that camping area. a lot of people are questioning how is it that he was not with law enforcement? how is it the parents were allowed into the preserve a day after it was closed. does anyone know if the laundrie parents had previously been to the preserve. there are just a lot of questions, some of which may be able to be answered but many of which will not. . >> it is just strange. i'm not saying impossible but it's just strange that it was the father himself that recovered this bag, right? >> well, i think a large
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question is this. we know that earlier in the search, before the water had receded in this particular area where these items were found on wednesday, we know mr. laundrie did go to the nature preserve and was asked by law enforcement to assist them in their search. presumably, he knew of the favored camping spots that the family and brian in particular enjoyed over the years. was this area pointed out previously to law enforcement. that's something law enforcement will be able to answer at a certain time. if it was not, then why did mr. laundrie know within hours of going to the park after the waters receded on wednesday to go to that particular area? so presumably they were aware of this area. and it may also be why law enforcement had previously found the backpack and partial remains they showed the backpack to mr. laundrie. . >> we have a little more sound of the interview chris cuomo did
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with the laundrie family lawyer. let me play that. . >> what do you make of the suggestion that mr. laundrie planted the bag and the backpack? >> in nice terms, it's hogwash. >> would the authorities have known what they walk onto the trail with? >> absolutely. they met them at the gate with someone nearby. they walked in with them. more importantly, chris, this is what i said, fortunately for the laundries, the press was following them in the whole time. >> deborah, he sort of addresses the eyebrow raising that came from yesterday. >> yeah. look, it's a fair response. and it's a fair question and a fair response. we'll know a lot more when the dna testing comes in. we don't know how long that is going to take. we don't know what the condition of the other items were. there was not only the backpack and perhaps whatever it inside
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the backpack was more protected. we know it was sub merged under water for a period of weeks. we know brian was an artist. he did a lot of art that he put on t-shirts and things like that. is there anything beyond doodles in that notebook. and if there is, is it legible? does any of this shed any light on the circumstances of the death of gabby petito? and the truth is, we may never know the answer to how gabby petito died? >> even as one chapter may, may be closing, we are left with all kinds of new questions even now. deborah norville, thank you for being with us. we'll speak to you more about this, i'm sure. >> thank you. a single senator opposing raising certain taxes. what will that do to president biden's domestic agenda. and cnn is getting brand-new details on the miracle plane crash in texas. what the cockpit data recorder
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we can't afford to sit while other countries pass us by. we are going to breathe new life into the economy and our workforce. there will be no stopping america in the 21st century. . >> president biden in his hometown of scranton pitching his build back better agenda. joining me is barbara lee of california on the appropriation and budget committees.
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congresswoman, thank you for being with us. it is still in the negotiating process. it appears what is in the bill as of now would be a child tax credit one year extension, universal pre-k, four weeks of paid family leave, child and elderly care and medicare expansion. i know a lot of people are focused on what may not be in the bill. what are you most excited about that does appear to be in it right now. . >> thanks, john. i think just in general i'm excited about the fact that we're negotiating and we're coming together and democrats are seeking consensus on the hill. of course we want to see investments in child care, the child tax credit. we want to make sure they are provided a living wage for caregivers.
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we have climate provisions we are still negotiating. wildfires, hurricanes, there is a climate crisis. reducing aoe issues by 2030. and i think the great thing is everyone is at the table. we're talking. and i think we're going to get this done. no one is going to get everything that we want. but the biden administration campaigned on these investments. we're going to get everything that we can get to make sure the american people know we want these investments so their lives can be made better immediately. >> if it does pass within the confines of what is being discussed right now, how will you sell this to your constituents. what will you emphasize? you will see this is what we have delivered. >> this is very important. i'm talking about what we are going to deliver now. and i'm glad the president is going to do the town meeting this evening. about us what we want to deliver
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is to make sure that we ensure that people have good paying jobs, infrastructure, both bills together. in my district and throughout the country, we have horrific unbelievable child poverty rates. we will reduce child poverty by 40% to 50% by some way of -- in some formulation of the child tax credit extension. i'm going to tell my child care workers that we want to make sure our child care workers have the investments and the support so that they can have good quality child care centers. 2 million women are out of work. they can't afford child care. finally, with the jobs that will be created, you will have the
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resources and good quality child care, preschool. let's talk about how this bill and what we're doing are going to enhance the quality of their lives and help us build back not only better but bolder in terms of moving forward. because we have had decades of disinvestments in many of our communities, including our black and brown communities. >> we understand there is reporting that arizona senator sinema is opposed to raising the corporate tax rate. at least to 25%, something the democrats had landed on before. how much of a problem would that be if you don't raise the corporate tax rate in order to pay for this? >> well, let me tell you, our ways and means committee passed a reform package which required the wealthy to pay their fair share, that everybody is required to pay their fair share. when you talk about reducing in terms of the pay fors, you're
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talking about cutting back on investments people desperately need. no one said it will be easy. but at least there's some issues now on the table that we know she is willing to negotiate around. but i hope that our tax experts and our chairman, and i think he will continue to fight for everyone to pay their fair share so we can have the resources and investments and the pay fors for the investments we're going to make to make everyone's lives better immediately and not in 10 years. we want these investments with the take hold now. >> the senate just blocked any movement on a voting rights bill. no republicans voted for it. all 50 democrats did. no republicans did. without filibuster reform. let's assume joe manchin and
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kyrsten sinema are not going to change, what can you do to promote voting rights now? >> well, let's first of all, hope they will reconsider their position, especially for carveout for filibuster are he form to protect our democracy. that's what this is about. and it's a shame and disgrace that senator manchin negotiated with the republicans, tried very hard, made changes to the bill and still not one republican voted for it. that just shows you how they disregard our voting rights and protecting our democracy. we have to make sure all the states are moving forward to try to turn back clock in terms of disenfranchising. young people, elderly, black and brown people. in these areas, we have to push back and try to stop these states from passing these laws.
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our democracy is at stake. voting rights are at stake. and they want to turn back to the days of jim crow and beyond. and that's a very dangerous place to be. >> congressman barbara lee, we appreciate you being with us this morning. >> nice being with you, john. thank you. president biden is taking questions from the american people in a cnn exclusive, anderson cooper moderates a cnn townhall. it starts tonight at 8:00 eastern. the fda says it is seeing waning immunity in fully vaccinated populations. how should you know if boosters are right for you? we'll ask the u.s. surgeon general. how in the world did 21 people, all of them, survive this plane crash. we will ask the ntsb lead investigator on the case ahead. certified from headlamp to tailpipe. that's certified head turns.
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there's brand-new details emerging about the plane that crashed and burst into flames near houston this week. all 21 passengers and crew members managed to exit this plane safely with only two suffering minor injuries. joining us now to talk about this is mike graham, ntsb board member looking at this. mike, thank you for being with us. this is getting a lot of attention because everyone survived. can you tell us why they were able to survive this. >> well, thank you for having me this morning. obviously, on behalf of the ntsb, we are so thankful that everyone did survive this accident. and we're very thankful for the local law enforcement, the fire and rescue, and the airport authorities that helped in this process of evacuating the passengers and the crew. obviously, we'll be looking at the how and why this aircraft accident happened.
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but we will also be focusing on what went right in this accident. in this case, how all the passengers and crew were able to get off this aircraft as it caught on fire. >> that had the pilots said to you? >> actually, today some of our investigators will be doing interviews with the crew. and that will be done today as the day goes on. that will be a lengthy day of interviews. >> and you've recovered the black box, voice data recorder, i understand. have you been able to listen to it? >> at this time, we have taken the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorders, transported it to washington, d.c. to our laboratory there last night or yesterday afternoon. they worked last night. they are hoping to start extracting data from the boxes
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this morning. so who knows, by later this afternoon, we may start receiving some of the data from these boxes. again, these boxes were -- luckily, they were crash resistant and fire resistant. they were heavily -- had heavy fire damage. but it looks like we will be able to get some good data from these boxes. at least we're hoping so. >> so you didn't speak to the pilots yesterday; is that correct? >> that is correct. we did not interview the pilots yesterday. but that is starting first thing this morning. we will be interviewing each crew member. >> and why not start talking to them yesterday as soon as this cleared? >> we actually just got onto the scene early yesterday morning. we got onto the site early in the morning. and we just had it set up the place and in the time to interview the crew and get all of our people in place that are going to be doing the
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interviewing. >> and what was the weather like? >> it appears the weather was fine at the time. it was clear. light winds. there was no rain. dry surfaces. so the weather doesn't appear to be a factor, at least in the takeoff. we would be looking at all aspects of -- during the investigation. >> what would the potential contributing factors to this crash be that you will be looking at? >> you know, every accident we go to is unique. we look at multiple factors. we look at everything from the crew and their experience, their training, you know, things they were doing the last few days, if fatigue was a factor. we look at the aircraft, the maintenance of the aircraft, the inspections, the history of the aircraft. and then we look at the
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environment. not just the physical environment, the weather, like we just talked about, but we will look at the operating environment of those operating the aircraft and in the complete history and maintenance of the aircraft. >> well, mike, it is wonderful to have you on for at least a happy ending on this particular story. so many times it is not the case. and we appreciate you being with us on this busy day for you. >> thanks for having me today. it is the big question that parents want to know, how soon can their kids get vaccinated? we will be asking the u.s. surgeon general next. and the science of love. do age gaps in relationships actually matter? we will speak to the world's foremost relationship expert for all of his dating secrets.
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the u.s. trying to get ready to roll out the covid vaccine for children ages 5 to 11 as soon as it is authorized, according to the white house, which just laid out their plan to inoculate the 28 million children in that age group. joining me now is u.s. surgeon general murthy. thank you for being with us. i know you're a parent. how do you find that parents address the issue or feel about having their children vaccinated, how is that different than having themselves vaccinated? >> are well, john, you know, as a parent, i can tell you that i feel the same way about my kids a million parents do, which is their safety, their well-being comes first. and i'll think 10 times before i do something for them even if i just think about it once before i do it for myself. we know that's how parents are
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across the country. and that's how it should be. parents will think carefully about this decisions to get their children vaccinated. but parents have been waiting for a vaccine are are eager this may be close. fundamentally we have seen the last 18 months covid has not been benign. even though they do better than older adults, hundreds who have lost their lives, thousands who have been hospitalized. we want them to get their lives back. that's why so many parents are eager to get access to a vaccine for their children. >> you just brought up a key point. everyone knows children, while at risk of getting covid, are at less risk of severe illness. so how do you convince people then that the vaccine is necessary? >> well, it's important to look at the whole picture, john. when you look at how our children and their lives have been impacted by covid-19, it falls into several buckets.
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sadly, there have been hundreds of children who have died, thousands and thousands who have been hospitalized. but we have seen other consequences. we have seen long covid among children, the persistent symptoms of fatigue, shortness of breath and chest pain that kids can experience. we have seen myocarditis. and think about the lives our kids have had to go through the last 18 months. many have not been in school consistently. they have been quarantined. they have missed out on get-togethers. sports have been interrupted. if you look at the toll on our children, it is quite significant. that's why i think so many parents are eager to understand how to protect their kids if and when the fda and cdc authorize for children, we will talk to parents exactly about this and help them make decisions about the vaccine. >> how much will getting kids vaccinated -- if you have a vaccinated classroom of schoolchildren in third grade,
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how will that impact the need for them wearing masks in the classroom? >> well, it's a really good question. the cdc has guidance that says even if you are vaccinated you need to wear a mask. that will likely be the case until the cdc changes it. here's what we have to remember. when our children get vaccinated, several things happen. one, we have the mental piece of mind and comfort of knowing their risk with bad outcomes just dropped significantly. the second thing to know is it reduces the pressure to quarantine kids once exposed to the virus. we know if you have somebody in the classroom who is exposed but if you're vaccinated our chances of actually getting sick are much, much less. finally, i think many parents will likely feel more comfortable with their kids engaging in activities like sports and getting together with friends for birthday parties if they know all the children are vaccinated. finally ill just tell you this, john. i have kids in school. schools have had to bend over
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backward to figure out how to make things safe during this time. we have administrators who earned their mph in public health. funding from the federal government is great. i'll tell you, many of them are just eager for the day when and improve people's peace of mind. >> will it impact the need to wear masks at all? >> well, i think down the line it very well may depending on what happens with cases. we got to get cases that come down and stay down. we still have the vast majority of the country in a red or orange zone, which means there is higher substantial levels of transmission. we know that in some cases people who are vaccinated with breakthroughs can transmit, even though they're less likely to do so than someone who is vaccinated. while we have high levels of infection in the community, it is likely the cdc will continue to recommend the wearing of masks vohr vaccinatemask s for vaccinated and
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unvaccinated people indoors. >> last question here, we all know and we should stipulate, getting vaccinated reduces substantially your risk of severe illness. it just does. all the data points to that. but there is now data showing that antibodies yies wain overt and immunity may wain over time. what is the data point you're looking at for how much immunity wain you see in order to recommend -- to suggest that people who are 40 or 45 get booster shots? >> it is a really important question. and it is important to put in in context, with many other vaccines, we see that over time, sometimes you will see a waning of immunity. that doesn't mean the vaccines don't work. our vaccines have worked remarkably well, particularly preventing hospitalization and death. the boosters are there to extend
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the protection that people have been getting. what we're going to be continuing to look at over time after people get their boosters is whether there is an increase in breakthrough illness. whether that's infection, primarily, or hospitalization or death. and we'll be following that very closely. but i will tell you it is very possible that three shots might end up being the primary series that lasts for years. it is possible it may be regular boosters that are required, kind of like the flu shot on an annual basis. at this point, nobody knows for sure. time will tell. but, john, the key point is we have a tool to help protect us, to help save lives. we have millions of americans not vaccinated. we have 190 million who are fully vaccinated. we can't stop until everyone has a chance to get vaccinated and protect against covid-19. that remains our top priority. >> surgeon general vivek murthy, thank you for being with us today. thank you. >> good to see you, john. take care. congressman jim jordan, the
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harry, for your podcast, you have taken a fascinating look at age difference in relationships. and the conceptions that have existed in our society for generations. what has been that conception for a long time. >> okay, over the last 25 years this -- there has been this quote/unquote rule to be socially acceptable. it is a statistical equation. your take the older partner's age, you divide it by two and add seven, that should be less than or equal to the younger partner's age. this say rule of thumb, not scientifically proven. what it suggests is that relationships should have smaller age gaps and age gaps become more acceptable the older you get. >> show me an example of this rule in action. >> yeah, why don't we use harry's parents at their time of their marriage. so what you do is take the 7, add the older partner's age, my dad was 57, divide by 2, you get 35.5. that was less than the younger
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partner's age, my mom, who was 37 at the time, so my parents, their marriage was socially acceptable according to the rule. >> how many relationships fall within this so-called rule? >> so if we were to look at female/male marriages, how many broke the marriages -- how many new marriages broke the rule within the last year? the new marriage is in the last year. only 3% in 2019 broke that rule. 97% were acceptable. according to the rule. you go back to 1980, what do you see? 11% of new marriages broke the rule. back to 1900, look at that, 28% of new marriages broke the rule. what is that a sign of? it is a sign that over time what we have been seeing is shrinking age gaps in new marriages and marriages occurring at a later age. >> that's really, really interesting. you're getting far, far fewer breaking the rule. >> that's correct. far, far fewer. go back to 1900, it was nearly a third. >> what else do you got here? >> what else do i have here?
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why do we have age gaps shrinking and people getting married older in age. this is why. more people are going to college, they get out of college at a later age. second, women rely less on men for financial security, right. if you're someone not going to college, you may need a breadwinner to be able to provide for you. more than that, this is really interesting, polling shows that people date for longer to make sure that they're compatible with their partner. not like we're going in after five months and getting married. some people date for years and years and years and years before they get married and get older. the rule says the older you get, the -- you're more acceptable for large age gaps. >> why take a chance? >> yeah. >> why take a chance. this rule was everywhere over time. >> yeah. so, you know, i mentioned before how you take the half plus 7 rule, the idea of the socially minimal age, socially acceptable minimum age. before the late 1990s, it was the ideal age. it was the ideal age. it was even mentioned in malcolm x's autobiography.


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