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♪ good morning to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. i'm john berman with brianna keilar. it is thursday, october 201st. we have major developments overnight in the death for gabby petito and the search for brian laundrie. it all played out here on cnn. a lawyer for the family of brian laundrie tells cnn the probability is strong that remains found in a florida nature reserve belong to him, belong to laundrie. that statement part of a long series of claims that raise all kinds of new questions even as one chapter of this investigation might be coming to a close. now, gabby petito's body was
find in wyoming september 19th after disappearing weeks before. brian laundrie's parents say they last saw him september 13th but didn't report him missing until four days later. now, after officials have been searching the reserve for over a month, the laundrie's lawyer suggests a new study was made yesterday by laundrie's father himself. why only yesterday? why the father? had the fbi been to the spot before? why didn't dogs or the fbi make the discoveries? a notebook was found. what was inside? is it even in condition to provide clues? >> the remains appear to have been there for a while. nick valencia joining us from near the reserve in north port, florida. maybe more questions than answers today, nick. >> reporter: good morning, brianna. for weeks, brian laundrie was the most wanted man in america. the 23-year-old who was wanted
for questioning in the death of his 22-year-old fiancee vanished without a trace after telling his parents he was going for a hike in this nature reserve. but that manhunt may have come to an abrupt end with the discovery of partial human remains in a part of the park that was previously under water. a dark turn in the search for brian laundrie. >> investigators found what appears to be human remains, along with personal items such as a backpack and notebook belonging to brian laundrie. >> reporter: investigators making the grim discovery at a florida nature reserve, saying it could take some time to confirm the identity of the remains. >> these items were found in an area that, up until recently, had been under water. it's likely the team will be on scene for several days. >> reporter: it's not certain the remains are those of laundrie, but the family's attorney told cnn wednesday it's likely they are. >> the probability is strong that it is brian's remains. but we're going to wait for
forensic results to come in and verify that. >> reporter: brian laundrie disappearing nearly five weeks ago, shortly after returning home alone from a trip out west with his fiancee gabby petito. her body was found in a remote rough camping area in wyoming on september 19th. >> they want to complete this homicide investigation. they want to identify the body, obviously, and confirm that it is in fact, brian laundrie. but they also want to see if there is some helpful forensic evidence. >> reporter: laundrie's parents notifying their attorney they planned to go to the nature reserve on wednesday that brian said he was headed to september 13th. the attorney saying he thought it was best to notify law enforcement and said the north port police met the laundries at the north entrance of the park and accompanied them into the reserve. laundrie's father discovered his son's bag. . >> chris didn't want the bag up
because he wanted law enforcement to see it. they were then out of sight because chris had been in the woods. so he didn't want to leave it with the news reporter standing nearby. so he picked it up. he did meet up shortly with law enforcement. they looked at the contents of the bag. >> reporter: earlier this week, petito's family said they want to hear from the laundries to provide answers for what happened to their daughter. >> i think silence speaks volumes. i believe they know probably, if not everything, they know most of the information. i would love to just face-to-face ask why are you doing this? just tell me the truth. >> reporter: so why haven't brian laundrie's parents spoken out? yesterday, steve bertolino said he specifically instructed them not to, saying more information will be revealed when the time
is right. as for partial human remains, we are still officially awaiting words. an autopsy could take days. one of the big unanswered questions now, what did brian laundrie's know about their son's whereabouts and when did they know it. brianna. . >> nick valencia, thank you for that report. so this new odd timeline of the discovery of belongings raises questions and leads to speculation. here more of chris cuomo's interview with the laundrie family attorney. >> what do you make of the suggestion that mr. laundrie planted the bag&belongings. >> it's nice terms, it's hogwash. . >> would authorities know what they walked onto the trail with. >> they met them at the gate, walked in with them.
fortunately for the laundries, the press was following them the whole time. >> joining us now forensic psychologist chris mohandy. i want to ask you about the major discoveries yesterday. obviously, what could be human remains, belongings there. when do you think this will mean there will be answers finally? >> answers will finally come as long as it takes for them to first determine if those are his remains, which is a medical examiner question. that could take varying lengths of time depending how long the remains have been under water. second, if those are his remains, what is the cause of death. is it accident, is it homicide, is it natural causes or suicide. and i think suicide is going to be one hypothesis if it is his body or remains that will be at the top of the list of possible
causes. and then the issue becomes what's in those items that were found nearby. is there the potential for there to be a diary, confession, apology or suicide note. we only see suicide notes in about 14% of completed suicides. so these are all things that will be vetted, will be, you know, investigated. and, again, as was noted earlier in the program, you know, is that material -- has it been under water itself and is it potentially problematic to develop that information. so as long as that process takes to forensically investigate, that's how long it is going to take to get some of these major answers developed. >> what questions do you have especially about what transpired yesterday? >> oh, you know -- the family is in there, the father is in there looking. we talk about chain of custody. okay.
so there might be media following them. it's going to raise all kinds of questions about how the bag got there if it is indeed his. but they make the point that, you know, the media is following them. and how were these things not seen earlier? is it because of the water? levels changing? that's possible. that can have a huge impact on an investigation. but these are questions that will need to have answers in order to determine how that evidence, if it is indeed him, was able to be there, remain unseen for this length of time. and now -- and only now discovered. but the water level is a huge factor and variable in some environments and certainly florida. >> i want to play more with chris cuomo's interview with the family attorney. it gets to this chain of custody, which you were talking about. . >> it is my understanding they were followed closely by two law
enforcement personnel. when i say closely, certainly within eye shot. as they went further in, chris locates a dry bag. they locate the contents of the bag. at that time, law enforcement officers showed a picture on the phone of a backpack that law enforcement had located also nearby and also some distance off the trail. at that point, the laundries were notified that there was also remains near the backpack, and they were asked to leave the preserve. >> and really it is just interesting to hear that. how unusual would it be for the parents of a person of interest to be searching on their own in the reserve? >> well, i don't think it's going to be that unusual. i think parents are going to want to find their kid. and i think that, you know, many parents in a variety of circumstances would take it upon
themselves to go searching. with this kind of cloud, it raises other kinds of questions. but i don't think it would be unusual for a parent, you know, of any aged kid who is missing to be involving themselves somehow. >> as i said, it is just an unusual perhaps conclusion to this story. very interesting developments. thank you, kris >> thank you, john. tonight joe biden will be speaking at a townhall as they try to reach a final deal on the legislative agenda. here is what the president said what is at stake in his hometown of scranton, pennsylvania. >> somewhere along the way we stopped investing in ourselves. we still have the most productive workers, most innovative minds. but we risk losing our edge as a
nation. >> chief media adviser to the george w. bush and john mccain campaigns, mark mackinnon and adviser to senator manchin jonathan cott. what does biden need to do tonight? >> he needs to go on a national stage like he is with you all tonight and talk about not the price of the bill but what's in the bill. when you talk about what's in the bill it has enormous support. the last three to six months it's been has it been 3.5 trillion, 2.5 and not what's in the bill. we know people are supportive of the different elements of the bill. now democrats have to decide what's in and what's out. what is going to be in the bill when it comes to climate change. what will senator joe manchin allow that would be something that joe biden can go out and say, look, this is a huge victory for avoiding environmental calamity. >> i think senator manchin is
open to a lot of things that joe biden could get on board with. what he is not on board with is eliminating energy sources we need the next 20 to 30 years. rick perry to ernie momise told him we will need. so i think he is just going to find the sweet spot that he always looks for. he'll find something that lets americans invest in clean energy but also protects the workers that are in west virginia, pennsylvania, ohio, and all over the country. he's working well with the president and he's going to find a way to cut a deal because that's what he wants to do. . >> the other moderate is kyrsten sinema of arizona. her issue right now seems to be how you pay for the bill. she is opposed to an increase in corporate taxes. that is a big part of this, mark. how do democrats pay for this bill if they don't pay for this bill? . >> well, i think it's important the pay fors are on the table
and it's clear how they are being paid for. we have had too much debt driven up for too long by republicans ironically. we have been talking about this months and months and months. is it now that we understand what the bright lines are? we will have transformation for society. and it was going to pass a long time ago. we have these artificial deadlines put in place. sit a complicated bill. it's going to take a while. at some point, something is going to pass. they shouldn't have set these huge expectations for everybody. because they were unrealistic to begin with. >> yeah. it's almost like deadlines don't matter. mother jones, jonathan, has reported and this gained a lot of traction, that joe manchin was thinking about switching parties, becoming a republican. he was pretty clear about pwhae
th -- what he thinks about this. >> there i would quote him if i'm allowed to say bull shot. he is a proud west virginia democrat. i don't know where that story came from. and i think he put an end to it appropriately yesterday. >> what do you make of it? >> listen, i think if he was going to be a republican he would have done it in a long time ago. he won 70% as a democrat. democrats should be on their knees every day praying to thank joe manchin. because he could have easily said i will go to the other side and not get as much grief as he gets from the democrats. >> explain this to liberals. they look at this and think joe manchin is essentially a republican. what do you say to them? >> go back to west virginia and talk to the people that he has helped the last 20, 30 years in public office. he is a west virginia democrat. they may be different from a new york city democrat or california democrat. but he represents the people of
his state. and, you know, this is a guy who learned politics from watching john f. kennedy. that's where he gets his sort of base and model from. but he is a proud democrat, and i don't know where that story came from. and i'm glad he stomped it out. >> so the senate for the third time failed to pass a voting rights measure. democrats against republicans here, mark. and i just wonder in the context of republican states passing big lie bill after big lie bill, are they just going to get away with it? >> yeah, they are. there was never a chance in hell republicans would ever vote for this bill. i appreciate joe manchin's notion that he was going to get 10 republicans to vote for it. this is likely going to be a campaign issue. that's where it will be at the end of the day. >> what do you think? >> i think he is optimistic.
i think he thought he could convince people after what happened on january 6th. unfortunately, no republicans came along. democrats have to go around and explain why we need the bills and why we need to get out and vote. did you ever think, jonathan, there would ever be 10 re republicans? >> i did not. but he comes in everyday and thinks he can convince people. he runs in in the morning and excited to get to work. you have 19 on the infrastructure bill. >> all right. we'll take the joe manchin whisperer's word on this. >> a prisoner of hope. >> president biden will be taking questions as we mentioned from the american people in a cnn exclusive. anderson cooper will be moderating the cnn presidential townhall. that will be tonight at 8:00 eastern. when did congressman jim jordan talk to former president
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can't quite seem to get his story straight. >> did you talk to the former president before, during or after the attack. >> of course i've talked to the president. i've been clear about that. i talk to him all the time. >> i talked to him that day. i've been clear about that. i don't recall the number of times. >> was it before -- >> i talked to the president after the attack. >> so not before or during? >> right. i've been clear about that. >> but he hasn't been clear about that at all. jordan seems just as flustered to answer that question now as he was in july when he said he would look into it. >> did you talk to the former president that day? >> i've talked to the former president umpteen times, thousands -- not thousands. countless times. i don't talk about what happened because i don't talk about it. i continue to talk to the president.
>> i mean on january 6th, congressman. >> yes. i've talked to the president so many -- i can't recall all the details i've talked to him. >> a day later after having time to consider it, this is what happened when jordan was asked again. did you speak with president trump on january 6th? >> yeah. i spoke with the president last week. i speak with the president all the time. i spoke with him january 6th. i talk with president trump all the time. i don't think that's unusual. i would expect members of congress to talk with the president of the united states when they're trying to get done the things they told the voters in their district to do. i'm actually kind of amazed that people ask this question. of course. i talked to him last week >> on january 6th, did you speak with him before, during or after the capitol attack? >> i'd have to go -- i spoke with him that day after, i think
after. i don't know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. i don't know. i would have to go back -- i don't -- i don't know that -- when those conversations happened. but what i know is i spoke with him all the time. >> and a month later, after having even more time to consider his answer, the infamous i don't recall made an appearance twice. quote, look, i definitely spoke to the president that day. i don't recall. i know it was more than once, i just don't recall the times. >> not a trick question, though he seems to be treating it like one. so never-before-seen video and chilling firsthand attacks on the u.s. capitol by insurrectionists is the centerpiece of a new aim to give comprehensive look at the events that transpired. here's a look. >> on the other side of the double doors was 40 or 50 officers battling 15,000 people.
>> heave ho. >> it was like pure chaos. >> it looked like a medieval battle scene. >> joining me now, jamie roberts, the director of the new hbo film "four hours at the capitol." sit available on hbo and hbo max. there is a lot of riveting stuff in this documentary. one of the things that struck people who have watched it is the lack of remorse among insurrectionists, among the people who were here that day. what did you hear from them? >> yeah. there is a lack of remorse. if anything, quite a lot of people we spoke to who were protesting and the rioters, they celebrate that day. they see that when their message punched through and the world had what they had to say.
a lot of them are quite jubilant, surprisingly, and pretty shockingly. >> what does that tell you? >> i think it tells me that there's a large section of society that isn't speaking to -- we're a very polarized society both in america and i think the west. it demonstrates that. the people that speak to that, you can see it's a real stark contrast between the lawmakers, the politicians, the writers and protesters. there is a political chasm at the moment. >> lawmakers were forced into all kinds of situations. one of the things i took away from what they say, and we will play a montage of a bunch of them here, is almost disbelief of the fact that this happened before. listen. >> it was at that point that mike was to my right, and there
was a guy in front of me and he was holding like this six-in-long black knife. and i remember, like, slapping it out of his hand, picking it up off the ground and passing it behind me. i looked back to my right, and mike was gone. he just wasn't there. >> i went through the tunnels, got to our secure location. we received word after we all got there that the rioters, you know, were essentially in control of the capitol. . >> there were so many of us in that room not knowing how long we will be there. >> for hours we were sitting there. the president didn't say a word. the president of the united states, who runs the military, the commander in chief, if he says a word, things happen. to me that was beyond the pale.
>> again, as i said, there seems to be almost disbelief among some of these lawmakers. what did you hear on that front? . >> yeah. i think a lot of the lawmakers were very shocked how easy people got into the building and how late they got word of what was happening. as rioters smashed windows, lawmakers were still in the senate and in congress in the house. so they escaped. they evacuated very, very late. at one point there was just one door between lawmakers and the rioters themselves. indeed, that is when ashli babbitt was shot dead. how close that day came to bloodshed and lawmakers losing their lives, it was very close. and i think you can see the video and the testimony how close that was. >> we're 10 months after the fact now. how would you describe where the united states is in understanding this moment?
>> i mean, from a slightly wider view, the united states -- i mean, it really looks like it is far from reconciling what happened. at the moment you have seen t the -- there isn't going to be a true bipartisan investigation. and really there is this politicizing and hyperbole around the argument. that was the reason we made this film. we wanted to go back to ground zero, moment by moment, what happened. so people can understand that, rather than the kind of punditry we have arrived at at the moment. . >> jamie roberts, i appreciate your work. thank you for joining us this morning. . >> thank you. jury selection in the trial of the men accused of murdering ahmaud arbery. already the court is facing new problems. we'll explain next. plus, the former washington state football coach suing now
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the food and drug administration is allowing for a half dose of moderna's vaccine to be given six months after the initial two doses are completed. those eligible include anyone 65 and older, adults at high risk of severe covid-19, and adults with frequent exposure to covid-19 through their work. for a booster dose of johnson & johnson vaccine, the fda says that can be administered two months after the single shot is completed. anyone 18 and older is eligible. >> reporter: i'm dan simon in san francisco where the popular fast food china in-n-out burger reopened their doors but for takeout only. they ordered the restaurant to be closed because employees were not asking customers for their vaccination status. a chain executive saying in a statement, in-n-out would not
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selection in the trial of the men accused of killing ahmaud arbery. this is the fourth day. cnn has learned there are issues in finding willing and acceptable jurors. cnn's laura jarrett joins us now. what's going on here? >> john, a lot of jurors don't want to touch this case at all. at some level, you can understand why. . it is high profile, that will come down to racism, self-defense, and it was all documented on a highly graphic cell phone video. they will likely argue the shooting was justified. they will be forced to watch the killing of ahmaud arbery over and over again. so far it is moving at a snail's pace. on wednesday, the judge asked a group of 19 potential jurors if anyone of them actually wanted to serve on the jury. not a single one raised their hand. even if they wanted to be there, 11 of the 19 said they already formed an opinion about the case. that tells you something. other jurors are clearly worried
about retribution however the case turns out here. one of the woman says none of this makes me feel good. another man said he doesn't want to, quote, have other people's lives in my hands. bottom line, 12 jurors and 4 alternates are needed. lawyers are not there yet, not even close. the selection process could take another week. the judge is being very protective on what we can even say because he is clearly worried about it. >> i understand that. i understand that. when you hear jurors talk like that you start to wonder about the atmosphere of even implicit juror intimidation. why are they so scared? all right, laura. all kinds of questions. how did all 21 passengers survive a plane crash? american troops in syria targeted by a drone attack. who is responsible for this and
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>> we have new details about a drone attack on american troops in syria along the jordan border. what do we know? >> reporter: brianna, it wasn't just a drone attack against u.s. troops. it was a drone and indirect fire attack, indicative it may have been rockets or mortars. some level of coordination here. you can see the map and get a better idea where this is in southeast syria. it is a coordinated and deliberate attack against u.s. troops. the u.s. has 900 troops
in syria at this time. the at-tanf is one of those areas. bill urban said we maintain the inherent right of self-defense and will respond at a time and place of our choosing. there has been, at least as of not yet, retribution for the attack or finger pointing as to who may have played this out. indirect fire aing ta, drone, and the primary weapon used against u.s. troops, a drone attack, is similar to attacks we have seen from iranian-backed militias. commonly in iraq but not uncommon for this to happen in syria. we will keep you posted as we learn more about what happened in syria against u.s. troops. >> oren, live at the pentagon, thank you. democrats are pulling out all the stops in virginia where
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to california, and they need it. meanwhile, i hear it's going to get cold here in the northeast. let's get right to meteorologist chad myers. >> reporter: i'm afraid your tomatoes may be done, john boy. some spots will have very, very heavy frost the next couple of weeks. heavy rain coming into california. there are places like sacramento that haven't had rain in 200 days. that's really hard to imagine. this weather brought to you by servpro. making water and fire damage like it never happened. rain in california. some spots that haven't seen rain in that many days will see over a foot of rainfall and between 5 and 6 feet of snow in the higher elevations. one storm after another. and they are very happy with this. because they will finally get water in their reservoirs. the problem is the areas that have burned, it will run off and
we are going to have flash flooding, mudslides. and cold air coming in. high for boston on sunday, 59, john. pack to you. >> i'm john boy. thank you very much, jim bob for that weather forecast. >> bye tomatoes but buy mosquitos. that's a good thing. the virginia governor's race is in a dead heat. a reflection of how close this is. starting today, they have vice president kamala harris campaigning for terry mcauliffe in virginia this is quite a nail-biter, eva. >> it sure is. this tight race between mcauliffe and youngkin will come down to turnout. president biden won virginia by 10 points. but historically it's harder to get voters to come to the polls in an off year election.
that's why mcauliffe is calling on vice president harris. though harris is often a target of the right, she remains popular among democrats. she's amplified the significance of historically black colleges and universities and black greek letter organizations in her role. mcauliffe is hoping her visit to the commonwealth, the nation's first female, first black and first south asian vice president will get voters in the state excited. harris is visiting prince william county in an area where 25% are latino or hispanic and 20% are black. former president barack obama will travel to richmond saturday. and in a new ad in support of mcauliffe, he stresses the national implications of this race. >> virginia, you have a lot of responsibility this year.
not only are you choosing your next governor, but you're also making a statement about what direction we're headed in as a country. i know terry mcauliffe, and i can tell you as governor no one worked harder for their state. >> youngkin has taken the opposite approach, decide to go campaign on his own. but still commanding significant crowds at his events. i was at an event earlier this week and hundreds of people couldn't even get in the door. stacey abrams is returning to virginia again with jaime harrison. they will be joined on sunday with the dave matthews band. so it is getting to be quite the exciting race >> yeah. it really is, eva. thank you for your continued reporting on it. we appreciate it. we have a brand new revealing interview with the lawyer for brian laundrie's parents. what he says about these remains that were found. senator kyrsten sinema throwing a new wrench into the
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major new efforts in the effort to grab congressional seats. it's all happening in broad daylight in texas. defending democracy doesn't take a day off. but yesterday senate republicans stonewalled joe manchin's compromise election reform bill. he spent months trying to gain their support with a balanced package, including national standards for early voting, including vote by mail, disclosure requirements for dark money groups, and even voter i.d., a long time gop priority. but not a single republican decided to join this effort, let a lope the 10 needed to overcome the filibuster to even start a debate. incident was just more evidence of republicans's discomfort with maarity yann democracy. but washington is just one front in this fight. the real action is occurring in the states where legislators are drawing districts to benefit the party in power. and texas just showed how rigged the system really is. you see the lone star state gained two congressional seats
after the consensus due to massive population growth. in urban areas, 95% of which is attributed to people of color. but republicans controlled the state legislature. they weren't about to make the districts more representative of the actual electorate. no. so they artificially increased their own advantage. consolidating minority-heavy areas and generally painting texas red. keep in mind donald trump won 52% of the vote in texas. but the new map would give republicans a lock on 66 of the congressional seats, according to analysis by 538. it in koreas republican dominated districts from 22 to 25, reduce the number of districts in which hispanics make up the majority of the electorate 8 to 7. now being roughly equal in texas. they actually dropped the number of districts where
african-americans from a grand total of 1 to 0. and the process they made districts less competitive, pushing more power to the partisan pry marries. a textbook case of politicians choosing their voters rather than voters choosing their politicians. and it's all on top of that voter suppression efforts texas lawmakers passed through special session in the legislature. just in case you think voter integrity is the impetus for any of this, listen to texas rep justin holland talking about the democrats >> that's what we're here for, yeah. they're going to lose seats. they're not going to gain seats next time. they're not going to take over. they will actually erode. we will make sure we come back with more republicans next time. >> there are echoes a decade ago when republicans were found to have discriminated against blacks and hispanics there.
texas isn't the only state. a few years ago north carolina got its race based jerry mannedering thrown out by the courts from taking a state with a one-point spread in the 2020 election and trying to build on their current 8-5 congressional seat advantage. over 70% of ohio voted in 2515. their wishes are being stymied. in virginia, bipartisan restricting commission hit a stalemate. in new york, a new independent commission has failed the get bipartisan support. what's clear is that while a minority of republicans can block federal election reforms in washington, simple majorities can pass unrepresentative partisan maps in the states. either way, the will of the people is once again being trumped by the rigged system of redistricting, making real representative democracy the only sure loser. and that's your "reality check." . >> john avlon, tha y