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matters to voters in that election? >> yeah, look, coronavirus was the top issue for the last two years, basically. but look here. what do we see in slide two? we see that the coronavirus, is it the most important issue to your vote? look at that. in september, it was 18%. now, it is down to just 11%. the jobs and economy, look at that, up six points. and education and schools, school choice, something that youngkin's been pushing. look at that. that is also up. so we are seeing the issue start moving more in the republicans' direction here in virginia and that could make a big thing going forward not just in virginia but the nation and i should also point out that, look. everything's nationalized, chris. that's the thing about our politics, these days. so few things are local, and that's why feelings toward trump and biden could make a big impact in this race. >> it's interesting. mcauliffe has been talking a lot about the death of democracy and what that means. that is not even top onthe top three but i tell you what, harry. i still say -- may be wrong but on the list of grievances if the
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democrats get whipped in the midterms, not making federalized voting rights and those protections the hill to die on for them, i think, may come back to haunt them. harry enten, thank you very much. appreciate you. be sure to check out harry's podcast margins of error. very popular but how could it not be? thank you for watching. "don lemon tonight" with its big star. >> not just the hill to die on. it will be the hill they die on. it will be the hill the democratic party dies on because that's what voters want. the voters who pushed this president into office. black and brown voters. black and latino voters, women. they want voting rights. they want access -- equal access, not special access -- equal access to the voting booth. and they are not getting that now. what they are getting is the complete opposite. they are getting a party, which is the minority party in the
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country, actually running the show. holding back the vote on voting rights. so -- i -- i think it will be the hill they die on. >> well, look. we don't know. but i will tell you what. it would have been the fight i would have focused on. and look. i hear the counterarguments. it's all ruby-red states that are passing the laws. look, whatever. you are still closing out opportunity for yourself. you are allowing a pattern to emerge. and you had to stake your currency on something. but i will ask you this, don. >> yes, sir. >> i agree with you about the urgency of this issue. and yet, we don't see it reflected in the top reason poll in that race in virginia. they said economy. they said schools and education. and they said covid. >> yeah. >> are we off? >> no, because that's everything that -- look -- that's everything that is supposedly, right, that -- that -- not supposedly -- that's in those bills. that's in the infrastructure bill right now. that democrats are not doing a good job selling. republicans are doing a good job
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changing the narrative about what is in that bill and listen. i am not saying you got to go and spend all of that money but if you actually look at what is in the infrastructure bill, it is everything in the agenda that you are talking about what's happening in virginia. >> right. i am saying the battle for the democracy wasn't listed among the top -- >> but that is the battle for our democracy. >> i don't disagree. i am saying it wasn't in the poll. >> yeah. well, if you just say something as broadly as the battle for our democracy, then people are going to go what is that? that's nebulous. but if you say, hey, what about childcare? because everyone, of all different ethnicities, everyone of all different backgrounds and political stripes, especially working-class and poor people of all different ideologies, both parties, they need childcare. that's what is affecting, in many ways, the job market. people don't want to go back to work or can't because they don't have childcare. now, if you get someone in a ruby-red state or rural state to understand that, if your
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messaging is on, democrats, then it's a win for you. but if you are not out there selling it, as thomas friedman -- i am going to talk about this in my open in just a moment -- thomas friedman was brilliant with anderson, earlier. the exact-right messaging. and what i will say -- what i have been saying is republicans and the former guy -- mostly, the republicans who are in office right now -- are going around the country. and they are winning with a lie. they are able to get people on their side with a total lie and democrats can't get people motivated with the truth that will help them. the truth that will set them free. so what is going on with you? why are you so bad at politicking? why are you so bad at politics, democrats? what you have the winning message, when you have the senate, and you have the congress, and you have the white house, and you can't win with a winning message, something is wrong.
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and it's not that the republicans are doing this and that. they are better at the messaging than you are. that's what it is s. it's not the republicans' fault. it's your fault. you have yourself to blame, democrats. get it together. >> i don't disagree that the democrats need to up their game. i mean, if nothing else, they're not galvanized, then they know they are against a galvanized opponent. but i will say -- and we have talked about this before and we will talk about it again -- the game is set up -- first of all, it is a game. and the binary game is set up to advantage the right because they're galvanized, and they'll do anything to win. >> right. >> and the left is not set up that way. the right, pundits will say they are but they are always playing the victim. it's just not true. >> yeah. >> democrats are inherently expansive in their thinking. and they are inclusive. now, they got a problem you and i disagree about this but i think this cancel-culture thing before they just attack their own most of the time is a
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mistake for them. but they are not set up to win a were of attrition, don. and they are not organized within their own ranks to get it done because, look, let me look into the future for you. they are going to get the infrastructure bill. and they are probably going to get a spending bill. but they are trying desperately to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory with this process and the republicans would have never done it this way and it reads like weakness. so biden's going to get his wins, but they are not going to be as impressive because of this process and that may bleed into the midterms. >> let me just say this. i don't want to linger on this. the only thing i think was -- the only victim of cancel culture and -- with the democrats was al franken. okay. and i think they learned their lesson from al franken. so i think that they have moved beyond that. but let me just say that -- um -- it is -- yes, it is set up for republicans. but democrats are legislating -- again, i have been saying this -- as if it's 2020. it's not 2020. 2020 is a long time ago, and it ain't coming back.
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and so, maybe democrats are more expansive, as you say. but that's -- read the room. that's over. democrats need to win, now. and the only reason i am saying that is because our democracy is on the line. we are at the brink. and if democrats don't win, the only party that's operating in reality right now, the only party that's operating in truth, the only party that wants to keep the democracy, if they don't win, what does that mean for the country? >> but if you deal in truth in a game that people no longer observe with any value on the truth because they've been so disappointed. >> you have got to be urgent. you have got to be out there every single night. if -- if rallies are the thing that need to be done, go do it. whoever it is. whether it's the president. >> can't get anybody to go. >> okay. well, it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter, chris. okay. listen. it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter how many people show up at a rally. >> kind of does. >> not really. >> you want to see pictures of
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nobody at a rally? i wonder who is going to pipe up if that happens. >> will you listen to me? >> go ahead. >> if you have the bully pulpit and the president of the united states says i am -- i am going to speak to the nation tonight. or i am going to go to wherever and speak to that group. you don't think every news organization around the country is going to carry that? >> news? probably not. but -- >> you don't think -- you don't think we are going to cover it? if you stop holding events at 2:00 in the afternoon, when people are at work or in traffic, and start holding them when people are actually at home and watching and paying attention, then maybe -- you may be able to change the narrative. >> i don't disagree. i don't disagree that that would be a smart come-up. >> but that's why we always say it is the bully pulpit. it is the biggest pulpit when you have the white house. when you are the leader of the senate. when you are the leader of the house of -- you are the speaker. when you speak, we listen.
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when you -- when you say i'm going to have a press conference, i am inviting the media to do this, i'm going to actually go into -- um -- the press room with jen psaki. and i'm going to show up there sometimes and surprise people. and guess what? i am going to pull the nation in with my -- my narrative. i am going to get their attention. i am going to make sure i have their attention. i am going to tell them what is in the bill. i am going to tell them what i am selling that is going to help them and everybody in red america and everybody in blue america and all americans. i am not just going to sit back, and expect the news media to do it for me because it's not our job to sell the narrative. it's our job to discuss what you are doing and, yes, part of what's in it. but it's not our job to sell your agenda for you. they are not selling their agenda. and the only reason that i am so enthusiastic about this is because our democracy is on the line, and i don't want america to lose its democracy. i don't want america to be a country of minority rule and i
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don't want to america to be a place where people like me whose ancestors fought for the right to vote are restricted from going to the voting booth. so i have this platform i have now and i am speaking very passionate about it. democrats, get your butts in gear, and get passionate about saving this damn country! you're not doing it. you're weak. you are weak. you are weak. that's it. good good night. thank you and good night. >> you can take a deep breath for a second. >> my producer said he is doing a town hall tomorrow. i get that. i had one with him. he is doing a town hall tomorrow. >> a town hall is not what you are talking about and the question is if that is who biden is and that's who he wants to be because i don't think this is a novel idea. the second thing is not only is it not the media's job to sell his agenda, but the media plays to the game. >> yeah. >> the media likes controversy, likes ups, and likes downs. the media is making it like, oh, this -- i wonder if they will
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get it done. the democrats are going to get it done. they are going to get the infrastructure bill done. they are going to get a spending bill done, in all likelihood. the only question is how much? you know, we play at the ignorance because -- >> most americans really don't give a crap about how much. that's the washington talk and that's media talk. >> what is? >> most americans don't care if there's 1.5 or 2.5. >> i don't like price-tag politics, in fact i think it hurts the democrats because if you tell me this is what you get for your kids, this is what you get for pharmaceuticals, this is what you are get for the elderly, i am listening. you got me. those are my needs. then, you tell me price tags? i get sticker shock, easy. i don't like hearing about big price tags from government. but i till tell you what, you want to hear a prediction? >> yep. >> in the midterms, if the republicans regain control, i want to wager that one of the first things they do is get rid of the filibuster. they will get rid -- >> of course, they will. of course, they will. >> and you know why? because everybody in their ranks
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wants -- will want them to. >> want to get rid of the filibuster. and guess what? they want to win. but you have people in washington right now who are saying we can't do that. that's not our -- >> on the left? >> yes. >> you think that if mitch mcconnell were in control of the senate -- >> of course, he would. >> -- that he would have republican senators saying i don't know, i want to work with the other side. >> they would say well, that's different now. and they'd find some way to say why it's different and why we must get rid of the filibuster. and then, they would say, well, but when democrats were in power, they wanted to get rid of the filibuster and now when we're in power, it's not okay. >> and they will do it. >> the filibuster, bye-bye. >> i have different feelings about the filibuster. but put 'em to the side. it will be a wake-up call to voters all over this country that you better get out and vote, or your side will have no say. >> no. >> because if you are not in the majority, you're dead. and in this oppositional system, now you will have no power because the only currency right now is opposition. and the idea that, well, then,
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maybe they'll start to work together. why? >> never going to happen. >> there is no advantage in that. there is no advantage in that. you don't reward that. >> but look. everybody thinks that -- well, not everybody -- oh, it's -- things are the same. it's not -- this is not the same. as i always say, this is not 2020, anymore. like, you know, i just keep saying 2020 because it was last year. it was why joe biden -- joe biden was elected in 2020. people had all these ideas. okay. that's fine. that's well and good and you should have some expectations for that. of course, you should. but you also have to realize, again, where we are and that you have people -- many people -- who believe around this country that joe biden is not the duly elected president of the united states. that there was -- that there was widespread voter fraud which there wasn't. the most secure election in our nation's history but they believe it. and why are they able to believe it? because the republicans have glommed onto that narrative, and they keep repeating it and repeating it and repeating it, and they know it is their only way of winning elections now and
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in the near future because they are not selling anything to the american people that the american people want to buy. so what do they have to do? they have to win on a lie, and it has to be minority rule. they have to gerrymander districts in the way that -- that benefits them. they have to change voting rules around the country that makes it harder for black and brown people and minorities of all different stripes to vote. so that's what they have to do. and guess what? >> and poor. poor. working poor. >> guess what? if the white-working poor and minorities got together, they would be unstoppable. instead, they are allowing themselves to be co-opted by politicians whose only thing -- whose only mission is to hang onto power. because i say poor whites and minorities have more in common than they have that separates them. >> hourly-wage workers saw their economic interests are the same, there is no question that color -- color carries additional burdens in society. >> why wouldn't you -- >> but that would be the biggest bloc in the world.
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>> i am not advocating for anything but why wouldn't you. you know, democrats say they want $15 an hour. okay. fine. however you feel about that. but if you are an hourly worker, why wouldn't you want more money? if you -- regardless, if you are a republican or democrat, why wouldn't you want the -- the living wage to be able to take care of your family? >> they do. >> but -- but that's not what their politicians say. they want $15. the minimum wage is going to drive out of business and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. that's what republicans are saying. and so far, that is liberal socialism. it's -- it's -- a living wage is not socialism. having -- being able to take care of your children, and have childcare for your children -- >> i don't care what it is. go ask somebody if they are making $10 an hour, if they want to make 15. >> they are going to tell what you? i want to make 15. >> not only do i want to, i have to. i'm starving. >> yes. it's going to be interesting to see what the president says tomorrow night. and i know anderson is the finest journalist among us, and he is going to hold the president's feet to the fire with all of these issues.
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so that's going to happen tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. this town hall that is moderated by anderson cooper, right here, on cnn. >> the man but the job is for the president. >> the job is for the president. >> can he connect with that audience and with the camera and the audience at large that he knows what he is doing? he's got the passion and the sense of purpose that carries their interests forward. we'll see. >> yes. so, here is the deal. i am going to do something completely different because i have spent my first block of the show talking to you and i always love to talk to you. i get very passionate about this because i have been sitting back and it's frustrating for people, my own mother to call me to say what are the democrats doing? like what is going on? they'll say, every night, whatever, what are the democrats doing? they don't say can you believe those crazy republicans? they already know. they already know about the rallies and the qanon and the people who -- they know all of that. they have heard enough of it. those people have been overindexed in coverage. i don't want to hear it. i get it. but what they want to know is,
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democrats, what's up? what's up? i don't get it. that's what they say, every single one, to a person. i don't get it. what's up with the democrats? what's up? i don't know. i say i can't tell you, i am not a politician but i hear ya and i will convey it on the television and that's what i am doing right now. >> you have done it very well. make your witness. i love you, d lemon. >> i am going to go to break and then i am going to come back and give my take. >> we know this much about the show. your a guest was phenomenal. >> this is don "don lemon tonig" other side of the break, i will be right back. so, you're recalibrating and reconnecting to the environment. seeing yourself as an artist - legitimate and genuine - can be transformational. daddy! for the best audio entertainment and storytelling.
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and we are back and i have got to talk to you about what we are seeing in the nation's capital right now. it's not just a showdown between the january 6th committee and a guy who used to work for the former president. this is much bigger than steve bannon that we are talking about, right, him defying the subpoena and all of that. this is about preserving our democracy. this is about an attempted coup. a full-house vote is set for tomorrow and the vast majority of republicans are expected to vote no on holding someone in contempt for defying the committee's subpoena. now, think about that. defying the government. and they are going to vote no on someone doing that. people who were in the capitol, whose lives were in danger that day, playing see no evil right now. refusing to see the truth. but, there are, luckily, some
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republicans -- very few -- with courage. and i am talking about liz cheney. and remember, she lost her leadership position in the gop for standing up to the former president, and his big lie. and now, she is standing up to her own party. she is doing it, once again. >> let me address my republican colleagues, specifically. i've heard from a number of my colleagues in the last several days who say they, quote, just don't want this target on their back. they're just trying to keep their heads down. they don't want to anger kevin mccarthy, the minority leader, who has been especially active in attempting to block the investigation of events of january 6th. despite the fact that he clearly called for such a commission the week after the attack. i ask each one of you to step back from the brink. i urge you to do what you know is right. to think of the long arc of
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history. we are told that it bends towards justice. but it does so, only because of the actions of men and women in positions of public trust. >> so, she is demanding that they do the right thing. and they -- they used to know exactly what that was. but what are we getting from the democrats? i just talked to chris about this. and i -- i want you to pay -- sit down and pay attention to this because i want you to hear from someone who is going to explain to you exactly what i am talkling about. a party that still doesn't have a winning message but can't understand why they are losing. this is thomas friedman. he was on with anderson tonight. pay close attention. >> country not right. our country's not right. um, but given that, what is even more depressing to me is we have one party who, as we're advanced into the 21st century, we have
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so many things to think about. and their -- their candidate, their main position is a big lie that donald trump won the last election. there's no diagnosis of the world, global trends, needs of education, needs of corporations. they are running on a big lie. against them, is a party running on a big idea. a big idea. but they have not sold that idea effectively. the democratic party, given where the republicans are right now, anderson, should be wiping the floor -- wiping the floor with them. and yet, we're watching the virginia election coming up and wondering if terry mcauliffe, democratic gubernatorial candidate, will squeak by. so i think we have to ask a couple of kwes. o questions. one, how did this party get so crazy? this republican party. but what's going on with the democrats that they aren't just sweeping the floor when they have got a big idea against the big lie?
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>> no lies detected from thomas friedman. he is absolutely right. the democrats have a big idea, and the gop has the big lie. so, why can't democrats make their case to the american people? and there's more. >> i -- i think that the party has gone too far to the left. for this country, that is still center-right and center-left. think about it. you know? last year, we all watched george floyd killed by police in my hometown of minneapolis. and after that, millions of americans basically woke up and said, you know, i have been hearing this, you know, from african-americans. now, i get it. now -- now, i get it. and they were really open for a both-end solution. both, better policing and more policing in neighborhoods that are really suffering from terrible gun violence. and what did the progressives
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offer, first? defund the police, and then del delegitimize police. what a wasted moment. the country was ready for a both-and civil rights movement and it was squandered, i'm sorry. and now, we have got a similar thing with the economy. i people don't want democratic socialism. they don't want just to hear that we are helping people who are hurting. yes, we must help them. they want to hear you don't have a safety net, you have a launching pad, joe biden. you have a launching-pad plan that is infrastructure, hard infrastructure and human infrastructure that's going to launch a public-private partnership. both, our companies and our people to realize their full potential. we have a launching pad here. not some giveaway that got whittled down from 3.5 to 3 to 2.7 to 2.5 to wherever the heck it is right now. this is so exciting what they are trying to sell and they have so poorly sold it. and that is what really
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democrats should be asking themselves how the hell could we be losing when we have a big plan, and all they have is a big lie? >> the truth hurts. so, if you are sitting here watching, and you are like, oh, don lemon. why? it's the truth. and you need to hear it. you need to pay attention. to what's happening around the country. and quite frankly, yes. democrats need to do a better job of not only selling to the american people what they are trying to do, but actually getting things done. 3.5 to 2.5 to -- most people don't care. they just want their lives improved. and if their lives don't improve under the ruling party, why
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should they continue to vote for you? think about this. because even the people -- most people know -- most republicans know, except for the -- whatever. you know, some of the fringe people. here's a question. how can trump and the republicans get their voters to believe and act on completely false narratives? and democrats can't even get them to act on the truth to save the republic. republican leadership, officially, telling their party to vote against holding steve bannon in contempt. what are they trying to hide? my next guest has a few ideas for you.
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so, the house is set to vote on criminal contempt referral for the former-trump adviser steve bannon tomorrow. so joining me now is "washington post's" robert costa, the co-author of the book "peril." robert, it's good to see you again. again, i have to congratulate you on success of that book and really what you have been doing for the country by informing us through that book and through your interviews. so thank you for that and appearing this evening. >> thank you, glad to be here. >> we have all heard what bannon, before january 6th, was saying. you know, that hell all would break loose on january 6th. but, based on the reporting for your book, you found bannon's connection to the january 6th that is much deeper than that. and he was an insider. just how involved was he, bob? >> he was talking to trump in december.
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we have a conversation in our book, december 30th, 2020. kill the biden presidency in the crib. make january 6th a reckoning. there was a focus, an intensity on january 6th. even in late december in these conversations between bannon and trump. and you start to see, inside the white house, a push to make the 6th the date to try to push the election into the house of representatives. bannon and trump speak, again, january 5th when bannon is at the willard hotel steps from the white house, huddling with rudy giuliani, jason miller, and other trump advisers. >> let's -- liz cheney -- liz cheney is one of the only republicans standing up now. um, zeroing in on the trump-bannon connection and this war room at the willard hotel that you speak of. she says the fact that trump is seeking executive privilege is suggesting that there is something to hide there. what do we know about trump's direct contact with bannon and that war-room group that you talk about? >> we know he meets with vice president pence on the night of
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the 5th. and then, when that does not go well for trump, he calls into the willard war room, talks to juul, giuliani, talks to bannon. and says according to the reporting in our book that pence was quote very arrogant. it meant pence wasn't moving so they come up with another plan. issue a statement saying that pence actually agrees with trump's position on the election, and they do that to the anger and fur fury of pence advisers. but it still does not put into motion what they want from pence but this is what is happening before the insurrection. >> you also report that in the wake of the insurrection, that mark milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, invoked bannon in trying to understand the origins of -- of january 6th saying this, and i quote, it was a planned revolution. steve bannon's vision coming to life. bring it all down. blow it up. burn it. and emerge with power. so, milley didn't have any doubt what the motivation was and who was responsible? >> he did not. and as a reporter, you just try to look at the facts, straight
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on. bannon is someone who has publicly declared he wants to deconstruct the administrative state. he wants a republican party and a united states that are driven by the concepts of nationalism. this is at the core of who he is. he has worked with trump, even though he left the white house in 2017 and this orbit of people on the right who talk to trump, who inform him, who advise him and guide him. bannon, near the top of the list or at the top of it. but he is part of this orbit that really influenced trump at the end ahead of january 6th. and it's so important as a reporter, and likely for the committee, to understand those dynamics. >> robert costa, we love having you. thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. he risked his life to defend the capitol. and there he is. i am talking about officer michael fanone. reacts to republicans trying to stop the january 6th committee from doing their job. he is next, live. restorative herbal sleep pures to people who were tired of being tired. i've never slept like this before. i've never woken up like this before.
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so, far too many republicans
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are trying to bury the insurrection but there is a new hbo documentary it's called four hours at the capitol. it shows just how whorrific january 6th was. >> i have been a police officer for two decades. a mob grabbed him. he was having difficulty breathing. people have to take my word for it. watch my body-worn camera footage. started getting tased at the base of my skull. >> frightening situation. >> kill him with his gun. >> pure chaos. >> traumatic brain injury. >> i still haven't made sense of it. >> hmm. so joining me now is the hero you saw in that clip, d.c. metropolitan police officer, michael fanone. hey, mike, how you doing? >> good, man, how are you? >> i am doing well. listen. you risked your life on january 6th defending our capitol. and all the lawmakers inside of the capitol. and dozens of those lawmakers are now trying to stop the select committee from doing its job. they appear to be okay with key witnesses defying those
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subpoenas. how does that make you feel? >> um i mean, it's -- i -- i don't know. i guess, my experience since january 6th has been that everybody -- everybody wants the truth, and everybody wants accountability until they are the ones who are being held accountable. and the truth is no longer politically advantageous. um, but it's disappointing, to say the least. >> what do you mean by that? >> i mean, you know, i think that -- well, accountability for me for january 6th -- you know, again, i look at that day on two different levels. i look at it on a microlevel and i see, you know, political
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rhetoric, potential overt actions by our elected leaders that resulted in the events of january 6th. i also see the failures of law enforcement, leadership. um, i see gross negligence on their part when it comes to the preparedness, preparation for that day. which resulted in hundreds of officers or more than 100 officers' injuries, including mine. um -- >> you don't think the departments were prepared? you don't think law enforcement was -- was prepared? >> i mean, one of the most striking things about that documentary for me was watching the beginning of the breach of the capitol, and seeing how few u.s. capitol police officers were positioned on the outer perimeter.
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and how none of those offices were equipped with the proper protective gear. to me, that signifies gross negligence on the part of their leadership. and as far as i know, the only person who's lost their job or -- or who resigned as a result of the activities of january 6th was their former chief. i think that's unacceptable. >> so, you are -- you -- you're very outspoken about this. listen. i know there are many people who, especially on the right, right, lawmakers that you try to hold to account. they don't like you, right? they -- but are you -- how are you received in your own department or among the ranks or police officers? are you a pariah? are you loved? what? what? >> i mean, i think that it's kind of a mixed bag. i mean, listen. like, police departments are a microcosm of society. i -- i mean, i have said before
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when i have spoken to you that, you know, there is no indoctrination to becoming a police officer. and i mean, we are susceptible to the same divisiveness that the rest of america has experienced. um, you know, there are police officers who -- you know, whose political affiliations or political beliefs place them in -- in contrast to some of the things that i have said publicly. and i'm fine with that. except when it prevents them from fulfilling their oath -- um -- you know, then i've got a problem. you know, if you can't set aside your political ideology and fulfill your oath to the constitution of the united states -- i mean, there's a big problem there. and i think that, unfortunately, we have an issue when it comes to officers being able to set aside their political ideology
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or their, you know -- their alignment with a singular person, that being the former president, above their oath to the constitution and to the communities which they're sworn to protect. >> i've got to ask you about this since you mentioned that. um, i want to get your take on capitol police officer michael riley. he is charged with allegedly attempting to help a rioter and according to the indictment, riley told a contact online to remove facebook's selfies and videos about being in the capitol building that day. and you told me that -- what this officer did is worse than what the rioters who assaulted you did. why did you say that? why do you believe that, mike? >> i mean, listen. if these allegations are true, then there is a part of me that believes that. um, a part of me believes that
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those actions are worse than the actions of those individuals who physically assaulted me on january 6th. um, you know, when blpolice officers abuse their authority, it degrades or it erodes the credibility that we have with the communities that we're charged with protecting. and if we don't have the trust of the community, it's impossible for us to do our job effectively. but when you abuse that trust, not only with the communities that you're charged with protecting but you also abuse and violate the trust of your fellow officers, i think that that is, you know, far worse. >> yeah.
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mike, thank you. we'll have you back to discuss this and we'll see what happens with the committee and if they get some accountability and if they are able to get steve bannon and other witnesses to actually appear. thank you, michael fanone. >> thank you. >> all right. we'll be right back. peerless design, cutting-edge tech, and a world-class interior. the exhilarating mercedes-benz glc. extraordinary runs in the family. age-related macular degeneration may lead to severe vision loss,
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tonight the fbi making a major announcement in the search for brian laundrie saying they found what appears to be human remains and personal items belonging to laundrie. let's discuss with the former fbi director for the criminal investigation division. chris, so happy to have you on. good evening. today's announcements two minutes long. they said that they found remains by brian's belongings, but didn't confirm that it was him. the laundrie family attorney
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telling chris earlier tonight that the family's pretty sure it is laundrie. so what can these remains tell investigators about his final days, if it is, indeed, him? >> yeah, the fbi tipped their hand a bit when they said that the notebook and the knapsack or backpack were his. they want to complete this homicide investigation. they want to identify the body, obviously, and confirm that it is, in fact, brian laundrie. but they also want to see if there is some helpful forensic evidence, a hair or fiber from the shirt that gabby petito was found in for example at the crime scene. there might be mud or dirt from the crime scene in his boots. there is all kinds of evidence they could use to complete the picture here along with all of
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the other evidence they have collected thus far. there is a lot to do. they are also following up, i'm sure, on whether the parents aided and abetted this homicide. >> brian, the attorney for brian's parents, was on with chris tonight. listen to this. >> it is my understanding that they were followed closely by the two law enforcement personnel and when i say closely, certainly within eye shot, and as they went further in at some point chris locates what's called a dry bag. they looked at the contents of the bag. at that time law enforcement officers showed him a picture on the phone of a backpack that law enforcement had located also nearby and also some distance off the trail. at that point the laundries were notified that there was also remains near the backpack and they were asked to leave the preserve. >> so what do you think about that? >> don, i think it's nothing short of bizarre. what i saw were the two parents
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picking up evidence, wandering through the brush, not supervised that i could see, at least not in sight of the video that i saw, and they were picking up what seemed to be evidence and putting it in a bag. that is way out of protocol for law enforcement when they are gathering evidence. these two people, the parents of the suspect, picking up and bagging evidence at a potential relevant crime scene. >> doesn't that taint the potential -- potential to taint the evidence? what? right? >> absolutely. absolutely. i mean, evidence has to be gathered the correct way to preserve whatever hairs and fibers or dna or whatever trace evidence is on that piece of evidence, it has to be collected and it has -- properly, and it has to be stored properly in the proper container. to just pick it up and drop it in a dry bag, unsupervised, on their own, it seems very bizarre to me. >> yeah. it is.
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listen, chris, our chris asked him about the, you know, maybe the parents, the possibilities of planting it. he said, you know, in nice terms, it's hogwash. you know, he didn't believe that it was. but it's just -- i think you're right. it's bizarre to see the family out there helping with the search and evidence. i don't know. this whole case is strange. chris, we'll see you soon. thank you so much. >> thanks. president biden in his hometown trying to sell his vision to build up the country. what survived, what's getting cut and how it's going to affect you. your eyes. beautiful on the outside, but if you have diabetes, there can be some not-so-pretty stuff going on inside. it's true, with diabetic retinopathy, excess sugar can damage blood vessels, causing vision loss or even blindness. so remember this: now is the time to get your eyes checked. eye care is important to your long-term diabetes management. see a path forward with actions and treatments that may help your eyes— and protect against vision loss.
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