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>> thank you, oliver. thank you all so much for being here today. i'm kate bolduan. "inside politics" with my colleague john king starts right now. hello and welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for starting your day with us. the president narrows his agenda to try to forge a deal. child care is in, taxes are out. the insurrection committee suggesting that donald trump and steve bannon planned the big
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riot. they are thinking of expanding booster shots to people as young as 40. some optimism. there is progress in trying to retract a revised version of the biden agenda. the president making some big campaign promises will not make the final cut. the final package likely to come in around $2 trillion, maybe a little less, short the $6 trillion that not too long ago, they said was essential. it's possible they could have a framework of a deal by the end of this week. let's get to our white house correspondent, kaitlan collins. the president is willing to give, but the question is, is that enough to give at the end of the deal? >> that is the question, and this is the time they need to make hard choices because they
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really want to see movement on this. john, we know that democratic leaders want to see that movement by the end of this week and have some kind of framework. they're hoping to have more than that by the time the president leaves washington the end of next week to go to a climate summit in glasgow, where they want to tout the climate provisions with what this bill will look like. he did discuss a new price tag. this one would be in the 1.75 trillion to $1.95 trillion range. that's closer to the number by senator manchin than the ones you heard by progressives. it was initially around 6 trillion, lately 3.5 trillion. still a big change. of course, that changes the scope and the size of this bill and what actually is going to be in it. we know the president told democrats likely those two or three years of community college are out, the child tax credit is likely not going to be extended as long as they had hoped it would be, and there are some other concessions in there as
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well as other priorities they hoped to have. there are some big parts of this bill when you talk about negotiations that are happening, and that includes expanding medicare kocoverage, billions o dollars for climate change in the fight they would like to take on in a more aggressive manner, and pre-k for the progressive democrats. the president will be in scranton, his hometown today, to talk about the bill. it's not a finished bill. he is here tuk o talk about a b that they are still trying to hammer out in washington. >> kaitlan collins, i appreciate you kicking us off live in scranton. jackie kosinich "the daily beast," speaker we pelosi sayine
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need a climate package. even grumbling going to $2 trillion, saying if that's the way we have to go, that's the way we have to go. the tone is there, but is it a friendly debate? >> i think there is an urgency more so than we've seen in recent weeks. they also know there will not be an extension on the transportation funding so they have to get things done. biden is going to the climate summit. he wants to have something to bring with him. so there's no guarantee, as you said, that something will get done, but they're more invested than they ever have been, and i think democrats realize they're starting to suffer, because they are the ones who are in power. if they don't get it done, the people at home will not be pleased. >> you see that playing out live right before us in the virginia governor's race less than two weeks away. we can show you the president's poll numbers. a cnn poll last week showed the president stabilized in a
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comfortable place, but there have been some since then. 44% for the president's approval rating, 50% disapprove. that's a kick in the butt to try to get things done. the president saying, look, we're not going to be able to pay for free community college for two years. we'll have to put our clean electricity plan with something else. paid family leave, the child tax credit, furnding for home care. it looks like they'll have a modest but still a significant si savings plan. >> they hoped they could potentially make the tax credit permanent. that's been a long desire for speaker pelosi. we're told about a year. it will come due to be renewed a little after the 2022 election. democrats' bet is even if we're
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only funding things for a short period of time, one to two years, they think it's going to be harder if republicans gain power for republicans to then not extend those programs. now, democrats who have been in power in the past have warned them -- some say that it would be smarter to make a lot of these programs permanent, because you just never know when the next party is in power if they'll actually extend any of these. but the clean energy plan you mentioned, john, is big ahead of the climate summit, because biden promised he would reduce carbon emissions by some 50%, and taking that out of the plan makes it incredibly difficult to reach that carbon reduction goal that the president set when he was campaigning, and as he entered the white house. so right now the white house is really trying to figure out what they can get senator manchin to to make sure emissions are cut dramatically. >> it's interesting, because wii been talking about this for weeks. sometimes it seems like groundhog day and there are a
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lot of meetings that don't seem to make progress. key voice, the chairwoman of the progressive chair in the house, goes to see the president, goes to see kyrsten sinema, goes to see joe manchin. here she says we've got to make a deal. >> we won't be able to reach a deal until the reconciliation bill has passed. my number is 3.5. if someone has a different offer, we can put it on the table. >> we're open to something that moves these things along d quickly, as long as we're confident it is actually agreed to in total. >> it's the last part, agreed to in total. that means everybody agrees to what's in it and manchin is
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sinema sign in blood. not literally, but agree to it. >> all these meetings that happened yesterday with the various stakeholders. you've heard progressives say, it's really getting through to them that this trip in a couple days, a week, he needs to have something to go there with. that's also resonating. >> and one of the things now is what do we watch, right? everybody is meeting, the tone is more positive, they're starting to do the horse trading, if you will. which program do we keep, is it permanent, is it one year or two years? you have the progressives who are skeptical of the moderates, period. key is bernie sanders. for me to sign off on this, bernie better say, do it. >> for president biden, we want him to make a fair proposal, and we want to make sure senator sanders is on board with it, and
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if that happens, we'll get on board with it. >> striking if you go back to the sanders campaigns for president, we need a resolution, we need to change everything, we need to go big and bold. he is suddenly the key to practi pragmatism here. you're right, they will still get something bigger than in the senate. if the two georgia residents hadn't gotten two seats, we wouldn't be talking about it at all. if bernie sanders agrees to it, we'll vote for it. >> it's pretty impressive how you've seen sanders rise in the last two years and shape this party. even though he didn't win the presidency, he is still very much seen as a leader for all these progressives in the house and they look to him with what he's willing to accept and what he's not. even those who are not progressives in the senate, they're starting to call him a pragmatist.
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it might get him in trouble, he doesn't necessarily like the word, but he has been pragmatic throughout the biden presidency and he's been working closely with the white house, which maybe you wouldn't have expected years ago. >> he's also working now with senator manchin despite the rock 'em-sock 'em between the two of them. they're talking and it matters. he's finally coming to this leadership role, not that he needed to rise, he's been there a long time, but he really is a major player on this piece of legislation. >> he's a big person in the progressive movement. we'll see if they get to the finish line. a more optimistic tone today. president joe biden takes questions from you, the american people. anderson cooper will moderate. our town hall with joe biden begins tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. on cnn. when we come back, all hell is breaking loose. those words from steve bannon but they have the attention of
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♪ ♪ ♪ (music quieter) ♪ (phone clicks) ♪ ♪ an important step two today in the committee's pursuit to hold the trump ally in contempt. today he will get a full vote on the house floor. there is a meeting to debate it. we'll track that in a moment. the vice chair urged her house colleagues, and she's talking mostly to republicans here, think about history and vote yes for holding mr. bannon in contempt. >> in many nations, democracy has failed because those with authority would not act to protect it because they sat in silence.
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history will judge those of us in positions of public trust. remember that as you cast your votes. >> our senior legal analyst, carrie cordero, we're waiting to hear this play out. a couple key allies are on the committee sitting in the back of the room. we haven't heard much from them yet. this is a test of how willing are the trump republicans in the house to, a, jump up and defend bannon, b, jump up and defend trump? >> i think we'll seae a majorit of republicans vote against this, because that's what past history has shown us. they're still loyal to trump, they're still loyal to his cause and what he wants, which is to continue to further the big lie, to rewrite what happened on january 6, and, you know, on
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bannon specifically, we just saw a week ago or so where he was at a rally that continued further lies about election fraud and also where the pledge of allegiance to a flag that was carried on january 6. >> cheney one of two republicans on the panel because of her willingness to criticize the former president, her willingness to be part of the investigation. she says, it is critical to get to the truth. it was critical, anyway, on january 6 and january 7. she says now that we know a lot more, even more so. >> the people who attacked this building told us, continue to tell us, on video, on social media and now before the federal courts exactly what motivated them. they believed what donald trump said, that the election was stolen and that they needed to take action. >> yesterday, carrie, she took it a bit further, saying she saw in steve bannon's defiance.
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i will not comply to the subpoena, i will not give documents, i will not testify. she took that to mean that the two of them, steve bannon and donald trump, were personally involved and that bannon was trying to hide the truth. if you want to get truth, you have to get bannon and others to testify. do you make a decision? do you try to prosecute? then we go through the courts. is there a way to get that done quickly? because when this became an issue during the impeachment proceedings, that debate took a couple years. >> it can take a long time and it's difficult to predict how long it will take. provided this gets to the justice department, the justice department needs to make a review and go up the chain so it doesn't look like this was top down politically influenced. they need to consider it just like they would consider any other progression up through the u.s. attorney's office. but she said another thing earlier today. she said -- liz cheney. she said there is a more
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fundamental point here. bannon's defiance puts this institution's authority at significant risk. i think on one hand, yes, the committee wants to hear what steve bannon says. but this point by liz cheney is really the key. if he doesn't have to follow the rule of law, if he doesn't have to comply, then any other investigation congress does -- anyone else can do this. he was just a private citizen. he's just like anyone else in the country who just says, no, i'm not going to comply with a congressional subpoena. >> it's a critical point about this investigation, but it's also a critical point about one of the toxic legacies we're dealing with. attack secretaries of state, because god forbid, they count votes and they do honest math. don't comply with the united states congress. criticize judges when they issue a ruling you don't like. this is part of a much bigger problem, an attack on institutions, an attack on rules and law and order. >> it's also a problem because it demonstrates that certain people are able to abide by their own sets of rules where a
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regular person, who receives a subpoena, can't just say i'm not going to comply, i'm going to just ignore it, you know? if this is the rule of law, this is how our legal system is supposed to work, then why are certain people able to use their connections and resources to avoid those repercussions. so it goes even deeper. what are we saying about our courts and our system? again, this is about the truth. it's not even the vote that the entire house is expected to make tomorrow. it's just about whether he should respond to the questions, respond to the subpoena. it's not saying he did anything right or wrong, so if republicans decide to side with trump, as we expect them to do, it shows their allegiance is higher than the rule of the law. >> what i would expect them to do is not even -- i would be surprised if trump is the central piece of it. what they've done up and to this point is talk about the committee, say the committee is partisan, say it's a witch hunt,
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that kind of thing. yes, that is rooted in trump, but i wouldn't be surprised -- you heard tom cole who is on the rules committee talk a little bit about how the rep-- the republican from oklahoma talk about how they were just doing pelosi's bidding and this was just policy running amok. whether they'll get away from that remains to be seen. >> it was kin ssinger who said that. >> i want you to hear from adam schiff who is on the january 6 committee, and he was also in the trump impeachments. this is adam schiff making the point if you believe in the rule of law, it's a credible point. the politics at the moment could be a little risky. >> i think there is a real desire on the part of the attorney general, for the most part, not to look backward. do i disagree with that? i do disagree with that.
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and i disagree with it most vehemently when it comes to what i consider even more serious offenses. in my view, you don't ignore the crimes that have been committed by a president of the united states. they need to be investigated. >> it's a critically important point to congressman schiff. i get it, there are people who believe that a lot of shenanigans, worse than that, went on during the trump presidency. in the politics of the moment, he sits on this committee at a time when republicans want to say the people who have been after trump forever are after trump again. is it smart politics? merrick garland is unlikely to kick that rock over? >> i think the attorney general is in a difficult position, because on one hand, what he's really trying to do with his willingness to serve at this time is to restore the norms of the justice department, to return to regular order, to insulate the department from political influence. on the other hand, we had an
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insurrection at the u.s. capitol on january 6, as everyone here knows. and so the justice department is conducting a robust investigation of hundreds of pe people who have been prosecuted in that case who participated in that event. the piece that is missing and the piece that the january 6 committee is trying to address is the planning of it. critical advisors were involved in conspireing and potentially planning and involved in that. i don't think we know the answer yet as to whether the justice department is pursuing those types of investigations and charges. >> it's also an important question for the future, right, because those same advisors and trump himself as well are trying to continue to influence the election system heading into '22 and '24, and are very much a part of all these races that are playing out across the country. so they're bringing that nefarious nature to the rest of the races. >> it's a great point that continues. i like to put it they'll keep
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his parents said last night they attempted to go to this park to look for laundrie. today laundrie a person of interest, according to his own lawyer, in the death of gabby petito. jean casarez joins us. jean, what are we learning? >> this is the area that lawyers have been searching for so long ever since brian never came home from his parents saying he went there on a hike, which would be monday, september 13. the parents alerted law enforcement, as you said, that last night fbi and northport police were going to go out there this morning. they were going to search themselves. what we're now understanding is that the family, mother and father of brian laundrie, and law enforcement together found, quote, some articles that belong to brian. now, we don't know what they are, we don't know how significant they are, but we can confirm the medical examiner has not been called to the area at
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all. that is significant right there. and steve bertolino, who is the attorney for the laundrie family, says he has no more comment, respectfully, he says. this is a development this morning. what does didit show? it shows conceivably that brian was there. but remember, brian frequented that area. he loved to go to that area, according to his parents, he had gone there many times before. we don't know when these articles could have been deposited there, left behind, and we don't know what they are, john. >> as you know, important clues, the significance to be determined. we know you'll come back to us when we learn more. jean, thank you very much. >> thank you. new covid news as well. the fda likely to recommend covid booster shots to people as young as 40 who received either the pfizer or moderna vaccines. the planning due to growing concern within the fda, the recent data shows an uptick of hospitalizations among people in
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their 40s and 50s who have been fully vaccinated. also the white house sharing its plan for rolling out vaccines for children ages 5 through 11. making that group eligible for vaccines could come as soon as next week. let's talk to dr. reiner. i want to come to hospitalizations among those vaccinated. at home this might be difficult to see. the blue line here, hospitalization rates among unvaccinated people, significantly higher, way higher, dramatically higher among unvaccinated people. but you do see, dr. reiner, an uptick in hospitalizations of those who were fully vaccinated. that's why they're saying let's let 40-year-olds get the booster
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shot, right? >> that's right. i want to thank you for telling the story. i struggle telling people every day why they need to get vaccinated, and i've never heard a more poignant and pointed explanation than you have done, so thank you. >> i appreciate that. >> look, what we've come to understand is the efficacy of the vaccines wane over time, and many americans now have been -- received their second vaccine more than six months ago. and the consequence of waning effectiveness of these vaccines is increased infections, and the more people who get infected, the more people will have a serious infection or lead to a hospitalization. so i think the fda and the cdc are starting to understand what the israelis have understood, which is we need to boost a much more broad selection of our
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population, and that's why i think we're going to see the level -- the age limit lower to about 40. >> you heard the white house today. i just want to put vaccination up by age right now. you heard the white house say, we will be ready. they expect perhaps the emergency use authorization for children ages 5 through 11 as early as next woeek. 80% of those over the age of 65 are vaccinated. it starts to go down as we go, and obviously 5 to 11 not yet eligible at all. 5 to 15 we're approaching but we're still below half the people vaccinated. how critical is it, because we're in the middle of a school year, for those young people to get a vaccine, and then they're saying they'll have them at pharmacies, they'll get them to pediatricians. they learned their lesson from previous rollouts and they'll be better this time, they say. how important is that? >> i think it's really important. we're still seeing 150,000 infections in children per week.
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thankfully nearly all of those kids will do well, but it's very, very disruptive to the families and some kids will get sick. we've certainly seen multi-system inflammatory syndrome in a small number of children. i think the challenge going forward is going to be to convince families to vaccinate their kids. we still -- there are still many adolescents who are eligible for this vaccine who have not been vaccinated, and a recent poll suggests that, you know, only a third of parents are going to go out and vaccinate their children right away. a third are going to wait and see, and as many as a quarter have told pollsters that they will not vaccinate their children. we still have a lot of work to do to convince parents to vaccinate their kids once these vaccines are available. >> amen and true in any event. help me continue that conversation about the importance. whether you're getting a booster
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to further protect yourself or whether you've just been told you're eligible and you can finally get a shot, or if you're still out there and have been eligible for some time, why is that important in the context of this is progress right here. the 7-day average of new cases down 7% last week, down more dramatically if you go to the peaks of september. 81,351 is the latest number. it's still too high. what are the critical pieces to keep this trajectory heading south? >> we're moving into winter, and as the colder weather comes and more people remain indoors and gatherings are indoors, not outdoors, we are going to see a tendency for infection to rise. and it's rising, and we will be going into winter at a point where vaccine efficacy will be dipping based on what we
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discussed earlier. so for all these reasons, we need to get the unvaccinated vaccinated. we need to get kids vaccinated to keep them in schools, to keep schools open, and we need to get people eligible for boosters to be boosted. if we do all this, we can keep the curve in decline and prevent what we saw last winter, which was a giant spike that went from basically thanksgiving to the end of january. that's the imperative right now. >> right, and you can see that. we lived through this together and it's horrific. vaccines not widely available back here. they are now. so let's hope that you're best advice is taken and we can continue to come down. dr. reiner, always grateful. a plan to secure the border with the army. the ask? a kwquarter million troops. the pentagon's answer? no.
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outrageous. that's what trump's administration thought when trump had the idea of sealing 250,000 army men at the border.
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it is one-sixth of all u.s. military forces and 2.5 times the number of u.s. troops in afghanistan at the height of war. mark meadows quashed it after a brief meeting with mr. miller. no surprise that steve miller would be involved. they said, the idea is under consideration. the a tool of the presidency that could be wielded under mr. trump's political agenda in an election year. send a quarter million troops to the border. secretary of defense, stephen miller, i guess. >> the president on lften leanen the pentagon to guard the
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border. he often dipped into funds to de build ms. border wall. while the idea was quashed, a plan was put in place that led to an explosion of hundreds of thousands of migrants. while the troops didn't go down, migrants have been disspelled since then. >> i think this shows where trump's mind was at even when the coronavirus pandemic was raging. he is more focused on undocumented people than he is on addressing the people in america who are dying because of the pandemic, you know? what is he thinking about and what are his priorities? >> it's a great point. this is 2020. on day one to the last day of the administration, you have a staff that floats policy ideas.
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but the fact this got foto the point where the defense secretary has to come to the oval office, no, that's the defense secretary's job. he should have been brought in a little sooner, maybe? >> it just shows who the former president was listening to and the extent to which stephen miller really was allowed to make his fever dreams reality if given the chance, only to be blocked by people who actually had those jobs, not at the 11th hour, but before it was going to be implemented. >> it also shows the extent to which the president wanted to use different lefvels of the government to help his election campaign, to try to divert attention, whether it be at the border, or have this show of force. 250,000 troops? that definitely would have captured the election campaign, the focus of voters. this isn't also the only time they have done that. we've seen other people besides
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laundrie. we bring jean casarez back. jean? >> authorities have confirmed that medical examiners have been called to the scene. we were told minutes ago they were not called to the scene, now they're telling us they have been called to the scene. in addition to that, the pascal county cadaver dog has been summoned this morning to the scene, just one cadaver dog, plus two spotters. we don't know when this morning the cadaver dog was called to the scene, but we have confirmed that it has. this all started, steve bertolino, who is the family attorney for the laundrie family, told cnn this morning that it was last night that the parents of brian laundrie made the decision they were going to go out this morning to search for their son to the carlton nature reserve where they have said from the beginning that they believe their son was located. so they contacted the fbi and northport police that they were
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going to go there, and apparently this morning, according to the bertolino -- steve bertolino, the family attorney, law enforcement found some articles that were brian's. that's all we were told. they won't disclose what was found or the area it was deposited. remember, brian used to go here, he used to frequent this area a lot. now we just heard the medical examiner from sarasota county has been summoned to the nature reserve. john? >> in a hustle to bring it to our viewers, i know you'll stay on top of it. appreciate it very much. we'll be right back. rry steph. spokesperson refresh! refresh wait, what? subway® just upped their bread game with the help of some world-class bakers. lookin' at you nance. gotta refresh to be fresh. how many people are in this ad? that means freshly baked new artisan italian and hearty multigrain.
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to many progress sives, senator manchin poses a problem. he has many new aggressive ideas to combat the climate crisis. at least at first glance, west virginia is a cold state. it's not that simple. manchin's west virginia is being punished by climate change. >> reporter: jimmy raider, a retired iraq war veteran, survived the 2016 west virginia flooding. but his home did not. five years later, he's still rebuilding. in the meantime, he, his wife and three dogs call this camper home. >> it was really tough with my
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ptsd being in such tight quarters. >> reporter: look around the small west virginia town of clindenon, and it's still without a grocery store, bank or elementary school. yet senator joe manchin is blocking the most aggressive climate change legislation in u.s. history. this neighborhood lost safe access to their homes after the 2016 flood weakened the foundation of this bridge and rusted it out. >> if someone dialed 911, they could not come across this bridge. >> they would be afraid they wouldn't make it, that the bridge might collapse. >> reporter: this bridge is connie richards' lifeline to everyday life, including medical care. >> you just keep moving along and pray you get to the other side. >> reporter: even in the face of severe weather and its costly destruction, neither raider nor richard blame climate change. >> i'm not buying into the whole climate change thing.
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>> reporter: in order to say to have it never flood again, we need to get rid of coal, what would you say? >> let it flood. >> reporter: joe manchin, one of the key lawmakers, blocking the important part of climate change is currently ranked the top congrecon gregs -- congressional recipient of cole investments. his brokerage company is ranked between 1 and $5 million. >> would you be happy to know that your state has flooding because we failed to pass
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climate change? >> we found out how much he is weighing climate change when he's making decisions on capitol hill, but we have not received a response. >> look at those financial stakes senator manchin has. he's in it for coal because he benefits from it, but look at the family commitment to coal. >> coal, during my time there, is clearly intertwined as part of their identity. the problem is the industry that once was is not the industry it is now. it's actually shedding jobs. it's only 3% of the work force now, and it's incredibly expensive just to heat your home because of their reliance on coal. but it is this desperate need to hang on to what was just because the economy there is not diversified. >> it's what they know and what their parents knew and grandparents knew, and this town has not done a good job of
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saying, if we transition, here's how we will help you get through it. renee, really great reporting, thank you. ana cabrera picks up our coverage right now. hello, i'm ana cabrera in new york. we begin with breaking news in the manhunt for brian laundrie. his family's attorney now telling cnn items belonging to laundrie have just been found at that large nature reserve investigators have been scouring for weeks right off a trail laundrie is known to frequent. we have just learned a medical examiner has now been called to that site. i want to get straight to cnn's jean casarez who is gathering more information on this. what can you tell us, jean? >> this is happening at the moment and we continue to get more information, but you're right, the sarasota medical examiner's office has been called to the scene, and this is the carlton

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