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>> when you politicize someone's death, especially someone like colin powell, you say the saying jump the shark. you know you've jumped all humanity when you can't wait to politicize a death about something that you need in order to corrupt and exploit your viewers, lead them down the primrose path. i just found it to be disgusting. i cannot believe it happened. every day i'm even more surprised when that happens and you know exactly what i'm talking about. >> i knew that as soon as there was an opportunity, people would take the fact that -- >> two seconds after he died? >> absolutely. that he died -- because what do you value? if you only value advantage and not, to quote general powell, whether or not you're making things better, then of course you would. this was ripe for being -- >> shame on them. >> for being twisted. but there is no shame in their game. >> we're talking about the fox propaganda network.
>> look, and other -- >> and other anti-vaxxers. >> contingents of the fringe right. which is where they make leverage off of misgivings. in division, this is just your typical old addition by subtraction, what they're doing. and it works. and i had to deal with questions today from people saying, well, i mean, you know, he was vaccinated. what does that say? well, he had cancer too. and parkinson's. and he was 84. and he was getting treatments. and he was weak. that's why -- >> it was important for the people around him to be vaccinated even more so. >> that's right. by the way, i know this is true for don, also. i'm not talking about his family or friends. i don't know who he was exposed to. i'm just saying that one of the reasons that you've got to get vaccinated is you don't know who you're going to expose to what's going on with you. but look, i think that ultimately, the way he died and people trying to make it into something else, that was
happening to him his entire life. his entire life people were trying to define him wrongly for their own purposes and he overcame every time and hey, you know, 84 years old, you got cancer, you got parkinson's, and he was still battling on driving in his own corvette to treatments. he was a singular man. want to hear something trippy? >> yeah. i've got something too i want to -- >> 1995. okay? this is my father, may he rest in peace, his pitch to get powell as a democrat. remember, colin powell, you need to know one thing about colin powell that makes him better than everybody else in politics. find me another guy that both parties wanted as the head of their ticket. he's a natural democrat. right on all the issues. listen to this in '95 what he said the issues were. affirmative action, which is another way of saying systemic inequality, gun control and the environment. his message is just right that
you should treat everyone as being in one family. he represents what the country wants most of all. they don't want democrats. they don't want republicans. they don't want politicians. they want strength and sweetness in a candidate. powell is strength and sweetness personified. he's a general, a son of immigrants, and is compassionate. he has everything. >> yeah. >> '95. same issues we're confronting today. >> your dad is right. right along with my politics, they don't want democrats, they don't want republicans. they want human beings and compassionate people and people who see other people's humanity. let me tell you, i also have a story. it's not -- well, it is trippy. because growing up, you know, this little kid who came from maybe the wrong side of the tracks, right? or some people would think that. i don't actually think that. but i grew up in louisiana. came from nothing and all of a sudden, i'm sitting at a dinner table, just someone invited me over and said i want you to come to dinner tonight and we have some special guests. and i was like okay. and i get there. guess who i'm sitting with.
colin powell. and tony blair. i was like -- did you mean don lemon? someone else? i got to tell you i got to know him and his wife a little bit socially. i didn't know them that well. but i'd see them and they were very kind and we'd have conversations. the nicest most down to earth people you will ever meet. humble, humble to the very end, even though the guy had seen and experienced everything, had met everybody under the sun. not an ounce of pretense. he and his wife. alma powell, i'm so sorry for your loss and the entire family. >> i think it's really important that this fight about, you know, what it means, his passing, is a good fight. the guy was completely committed to making things better and speaking truth when it's inconvenient and uncomfortable and he did something, again, you know, if you want a second reason he was better than so many in his generation politically. he owned making a big mistake
in selling the war. >> i was going to bring that up. i'm glad you did. he said i was wrong. i regret it. >> he owned it. let me tell you, very few in that administration -- i would argue, actually, none owned it the way he did. >> can you imagine now someone in the prior administration or the prior guy saying oh, i was wrong, i made a mistake and the information was wrong and i regret that? >> i can't imagine anybody doing it in any reason now. but we're also in a different time. colin powell had everything coming after him that you could have in this country but he didn't have social media. you know, until what he said about january 6th and people came after him a little bit about that. but he's a made man by that. but look, everybody's vulnerable. but i will tell you, you know, sometimes things happen for a reason and him passing now in the midst of this in the way he did, it's a powerful reminder what is supposed to matter right now. >> yeah. >> and his life i hope stands as testament to what we're lacking.
>> as they say, god rest his soul and may others -- may his memory be a blessing to us all. thank you, brother. >> i love you. >> love you. nice tribute to him as well. and to your dad as well. thank you. i love you, as well. this is "don lemon tonight." i've got a lot to talk about, a lot, a lot, a lot. but here's the biggest thing that's on my mind right now. when i say -- when people say thou doth protest too much. what is he trying to hide? why is the former president of the united states so determined to keep january 6th, that committee from finding out what he and his allies were doing before and during the insurrection at capitol hill? why, oh why, oh why? our breaking news. the white house slapping down his claims of executive privilege saying, and i quote, "former president trump abused the office of the presidency and attempted to subvert a peaceful transfer of power. the former president's actions
presented a ufrpg and existential threat to our democracy that can't be swept under the rug. as president biden determined, the constitutional protections of executive privilege should not be used to shield information that reflects a clear and apparent effort to subvert the constitution." that is from the white house spokesperson mike gwin. so president biden himself nixed the executive privilege claims. that as the former president filed a lawsuit, of course, in d.c. district court today against the january 6th committee and the national archives as part of his campaign to keep records from his presidency secret. and he may be running out of time because the national archives telling him they'll turn the records over to congress in less than one month unless the court intervenes. trump's lawyers calling the committee's request "an illegal fishing expedition." this is no fishing expedition. this is about bringing to light
exactly what happened on one of the darkest days in our history, the day bloodthirsty rioters stormed the capitol, trump supporters, right? hunting lawmakers, beating police and trying to overturn our free and fair election. that's what that was. the committee sending a letter to steve bannon rejecting his argument for failing to comply with the panel's subpoena and dismissing his claim of executive privilege. and one of only two republicans on the committee says that the former president could face a subpoena. >> if we subpoena all of the sudden the former president we know that's going to become kind of a circus. so that's not necessarily something we want to do up front. but if he has pieces of information we need we certainly will. >> we've got a lot more to come on this. believe that. we've got a lot more to come. but as we were just talking about, the news that shocked so many people today, the death of general colin powell. a man who devoted himself to his country through a lifetime of firsts. the nation's first black secretary of state.
the first black chairman of the joint chiefs. the first black national security adviser. listen to what he told me. this was back in 2009. he's talking to me about barack obama. this is after barack obama, the candidate he endorsed after serving in the reagan, george h.w. bush, and george w. bush administrations, became the first black president of the united states. here it is. >> we now have a man who is president who is african-american. but let us not rest on that pedestal. let's recognize we have a long way to go. >> do you feel like that you in some way contributed to where we are now, that moment, this new president? >> yeah, i think i did. but i'm not bragging about it because hundreds of thousands contributed. i contributed in a visible way by becoming the first secretary and first national security adviser and chairman who is black but i was given that opportunity. i'm more impressed by those who
came before me who could have done the same thing i did but they didn't have the opportunity because of racism and segregation and jim crowism. but they still fought. >> mm-hmm. and listen, we have something new tonight about what colin powell said. this may have been his last interview. speaking openly with bob woodward about his health struggles. in an interview for the book "peril." >> well, you see, i've got to go to the hospital two or three times a week. i've got multiple myeloma cancer and i've got parkinson's disease. but otherwise i'm fine. >> oh, no. i'm so sorry. >> oh, no. don't feel sorry for me. i'm 85 years old. i've got to have something. >> well, you've -- >> i haven't lost a day of of life fighting these two diseases. i'm in good shape. >> oh, well, that's great. you've never lost a day of life. i mean, think of the activist
general, former secretary of state, now oracle, right? >> yes. >> wow. what an attitude, right? i'm 85 years old. i have to have something. amazing. amazing attitude. that was just three months ago. the military man in the fight of his life while downplaying what he was going through. tonight the president of the united states joe biden paying tribute. >> he's not only a dear friend and a patriot. one of our great military leaders and a man of overwhelming decency. this is a guy born the son of immigrants in new york city, raised in harlem, in the south bronx. graduated from city college of new york. and he rose to the highest ranks not only in the military but also in areas of foreign policy and statecraft. >> hmm. cuny graduate. i am too. i actually talked about that with him whenever i got to see him and speak to him in person.
so news of colin powell's death breaking about 8:00 this morning, and within minutes over at the fox propaganda network they were saying this. >> there will be many conversations in the wake of this death. they will be honoring this man, this public servant, this human being who was a professional soldier for 35 years. we can reflect on his life and we should. there will also be conversations about the fact that he was fully vaccinated according to his family and he died from complications from covid. >> minutes. literally minutes after we learned of the death of a man who devoted his life to serving this country. minutes later already disgracefully using his death to raise questions about vaccines. that wasn't the end of it. it goes on. >> we're seeing data from europe, from the united kingdom that fully vaccinated people are being hospitalized and fully vaccinated people are dying from covid. and here we have a very high-profile example that is going to require more truth,
more truth from our government, from our health leaders as well. as we talk about this story on a day when state after state and institution after institution are pushing mandates for vaccination. >> seriously? i guess, yeah, some people never learn. don't know any better. i don't know. don't have the chops. i don't know what it is. just with a natural instinct not to do something like that? it seems like any decent human being would know you just don't -- you know. at least that's how my mom raised me. the man had just died, and this guy can't wait to make it into a fight about vaccine mandates? it is disgraceful.
and then in a twice deleted tweet fox's john roberts said, and i'm quoting here, "the fact that colin powell died from a breakthrough covid infection raises new concerns about how effective vaccines are long term." so we went on -- he went on, excuse me. he went on to say that he deleted his tweet because people interpreted it as anti-vaxx. okay. so that was his defense. look, that's your original tweet again. do you want facts? i will give you some facts. colin powell's death doesn't raise new concerns about the effectiveness of vaccines. the fact is colin powell, a soldier to the end, was battling multiple myeloma, which is a cancer of the cells that make antibodies. he also had parkinson's, which put him at high risk with an immunocompromised system, making him much more susceptible to the
virus. doctors say what colin powell's death shows is this. vaccinating everyone is important to protect cancer patients. you get vaccinated for yourself, but you also get vaccinated to protect the vulnerable, people like general powell. that would be a fitting tribute to his legacy of service. colin powell was a man of character and a man of integrity. even when it came to the moment that he called, he called, this was him, a permanent blot on his record. his 2003 speech to the u.n. in which he presented evidence that the u.s. intelligence community formation was wrong. of course i do. but i will always be seen as the one who made the case before the international community. i swayed public opinion. there's no question about it.
>> again, this is him. owning up to what he later called one of his most momentous failures, the one with the widest ranging impact. so that's what decent people do. that's what caring people do, empathetic people, leaders do. if they make a mistake they admit it. we do it all the time at cnn. i've done it. i'll say i made a mistake. that was a man of duty, a man who pubut what impressed me eve was how he did it. at a time when conspiracy theories were swirling with some questioning my faith. general powell took the opportunity to get to the heart
of the matter in a way only he could." >> the correct answer is he's not a muslim. he's a christian. he's always been a christian. but the really right answer is what if he is? is there something wrong with being a muslim in this country? the answer is no, that's not america. is there something wrong with some 7-year-old muslim american kid believing that he or she could be president? >> where is that kind of republican today? where is that? he's muslim. and i wonder who started that whole thing. i shouldn't say that. i wonder who was the biggest proponent and spreader of the whole wasn't born in this country thing. "we have investigators in africa. you won't believe the information we're finding." and it was nothing again. same thing over and over. barack obama going on to say
that's who colin powell was, he understood what was best in this country and tried to bring his own life, career, and public statements in line with that ideal. "michelle and i will always look to general powell as an example of what america and americans can and should be if we wish to remain the last best hope of earth." if we wish to remain the last, best hope of earth. do we wish that now? is that what the collective wish is? it was just a few months ago that colin powell told fareed zakariah he no longer considered himself a republican. the answer to the question i said where is that kind of republican today? the ones who actually had the backbone and the courage to stand up and say something like he said and live their lives
like he lived. where are they? they are gone. the men who once said that he believed he could help the party of lincoln move back to the spirit of lincoln. to the very end he was a man of character and integrity. don't see that a lot in the gop anymore. i think it's a good time to go to break. rest in peace, colin powell. t a. but quality sleep is scientifically proven to help improve your overall health and wellness. and it couldn't be easier! the sleep number 360 smart bed helps you fall asleep faster by gently warming your feet. and it helps keep you asleep by sensing your movement and automatically adjusts to keep you both effortlessly comfortable. the sleep number 360 smart bed is on sale now.
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okay. so here's our breaking news tonight. the house committee investigating the january 6th insurrection releasing its contempt report on steve bannon, who is refusing to comply with its subpoena, claiming executive privilege. well, tomorrow the committee is expected to move to refer bannon for criminal contempt. likely approving the resolution recommending that the house of representatives find steven k. bannon in contempt of congress for refusal to comply with a subpoena. that is the quote. let's discuss now. cnn senior legal analyst is mr. preet ba rara, a former u.s. attorney. thank you for being here. >> good to be here. >> the committee says bannon's
claims of executive privilege rely on no legal authority, that he was a private citizen during the time they want information for and trump hasn't even formally claimed executive privilege. so does bannon have any legal leg to stand on here? >> no, he really doesn't. and what's interesting is of all the people that have been subpoenaed steve bannon probably has the least footing on which to defy the subpoenas. and he's the one who's making the most dramatic statement saying he's not going to comply, he wasn't in the employ of the executive branch at the time that this conduct is being examined, and meanwhile some of the other folks have their time to appear and voluntarily comply extended including mark meadows and kash patel and others. steve bannon is a pretty extreme dramatic guy. his lawyers say in his defense that on three prior occasions with respect to investigations by the special counsel and others he has testified. but here president trump has directed him not to even though as you point out there seems not to have been a formal invocation
of the privilege with the relevant committee. he doesn't have any leg to stand on. i expect as you pointed out that the house will vote to certify a request for a referral for him to be prosecuted and we'll see what the doj does. >> the subpoena lists 17 areas of investigation including planning and communications of january 6th, the january 6th rally, correspondence with allies including john eastman, michael flynn, sidney powell, rudy giuliani, plus any communication with trump regarding january 6th, specifically conversations that they may have had on december 30th. what is the committee after here, preet? >> they're after the whole story. anytime you conduct an investigation you want to make sure that you hit all the bases. you check all the boxes. you get all the communications. and that's particularly so given the importance of the nature of the investigation and the nature of the harm that's being investigated. i mean, in all these circumstances, you know, the
basic principle is whether there are privileges or not, in this case there aren't any that i can determine, but even if there are you have to see what the need for the information is. and part of how you determine the need for the information is the importance of the inquiry, which is also in turn based on the importance of the conduct that you need to uncover and break down and understand. and it's hard to imagine something more serious than an insurrection at the capitol on january 6th that sought to not only undo an election but to harm sitting members of congress up to and including the speaker of the house and the vice president of the united states mike pence. so they have an enormous need for this material, and i think at the end of the day they will get a lot of it if not all of it. >> preet, not surprisingly, we have known, for those of us who are new yorkers, have known for a long time how litigious the former president is. he is now suing the committee and the national archives to keep his white house records private. january 6th committee chairman bennie thompson and the vice chair liz cheney are responding
tonight and i quote, saying "his lawsuit is nothing more than an attempt to delay and obstruct our probe. precedent and law are on our side." is trump's lawsuit just a delay tactic or do you think it can work? >> i don't think it can work. i think it is a delay tactic. keep in mind that the house is currently controlled by the democrats, who formed this select committee to investigate the dogs of january 6th. they're only going to be in office for another year and a couple of months if the house changes hands. and as we've seen in other litigation including with respect to the former white house counsel don mcgahn and others, if you can get into litigation and you can get this stuff into the courts it takes time. and then even if you get ruled against as trump almost certainly will be, you can appeal and you can appeal again. and you can ask for rehearings. so it can take some time. i do think that in this matter the law is so clear and the
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the former president answering questions under oath for more than four hours today. the deposition part of a lawsuit brought by men who alleged that they were assaulted by members of his security team during a demonstration outside trump tower here in new york. this is in 2015. this was the scene. okay? so joining me now, attorney roger j. bernstein. attorney bernstein, thank you for joining. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> here's the former president leaving trump tower tonight
after testifying for more than four hours. he called the deposition harassment. it seems like you're confident you can show trump is responsible. tell us why. >> well, i will tell you why. but if you don't mind, i could just start for a moment at the beginning. this concerns a demonstration in 2015, just as his campaign was getting under way. the demonstration involved signs on the sidewalk that said "make america racist again" which was a play on "make america great again." and mr. trump's security came down and tore away those signs and then got into the little scuffle you saw there where when our clients tried to get the signs back mr. trump's security agents interfered and basically attacked our guys. so the critical thing here is that these security agents have worked for trump for 18 years at the time. he admires their performance. he authorizes what they do. and in every possible way he sanctions what they do. and that makes him responsible
legally for the conduct of his authorized agents, which just to put it in context was a direct effort to interfere with a public demonstration by people who were concerned about what was wrong with the campaign. >> listen, we know his history of litigation. he likes to drag things through the court. he's doing it now politically. he used to do it in business and his personal life, right? but he can be evasive and struggles to tell the truth. i just want your reaction to a previous deposition. this is from a previous case. this is 2015. watch this. >> you say you have one of the best memories in the world. >> did i use that expression? >> yes. >> where? could i see? >> i can play you a video of a reporter -- >> did i say i have a great memory or one of the best in the world? >> one of the best in the world. is what the reporter quoted you as saying. >> i don't remember that. okay? as good as my memory is, i don't remember that. but i have a good memory. >> so you don't remember saying you have one of the best memories in the world? >> i don't remember that. >> okay. so listen, in that moment he's
elusive, a little shifty. can you characterize his demeanor for us today, though? >> his demeanor today was what you saw on the white house lawn, what you saw before he was president, and what you've seen since then. it was i would say pugilistic, very strong effort to be contentious, but there wasn't really an issue about memory because he wasn't a direct eyewitness to what happened and the issue really for us is how his organization operates. he's the owner. he's the president. and in all different ways he's responsible for the conduct of the people in it. that's what was coming out today. that doesn't test his memory. that just tests his commitment. >> so what do you want? >> what we want for our clients at this point is damages including punitive damages because the conduct was so outrageous. people have a right to demonstrate on a public sidewalk, to express their views, and to express to the public what's wrong with someone who's running for office.
mr. trump's agents interfered and stopped that demonstration. that is completely wrong in this country. that's not how a democracy operates. and what we want is to sanction him appropriately for the misconduct. he's at the top of the group and therefore responsible. that's what we want. >> all right. thank you, roger bernstein. we appreciate it. good luck to you. thanks a lot. >> thank you. great. >> colin powell speaking out about his own health in what's believed to be his last interview. we're going to show you that next. >> don't feel sorry for me. for god's sakes, i'm 85 years old. i've got to have something. >> well, you've -- >> i haven't lost a day of life fighting these two diseases. i'm in good shape. it becomes a step. mom, dad's flexing again. that's not all. you can extend the bed for longer stuff. is he still — still flexing. that's right! and, it becomes a workspace— — you can put your laptop here. i'm sending an imaginary email.
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today at the age of 84. an outpouring of respect from both sides of the aisle. remembering him as a trailblazer in his roles as soldier and statesman. and we're getting new excerpts tonight from one of powell's last interviews. he spoke with veteran journalist bob woodward about his health issues. >> well, you see, i've got to go to the hospital about two or three times a week. i've got multiple myeloma cancer and i've got parkinson's disease. but otherwise, i'm fine. >> oh, no. i'm so sorry. >> don't say no and don't feel sorry for me for god's sakes. i'm 85 years old. i've got to have something. >> well, you -- >> and i haven't lost a day of life fighting these two diseases. i'm in good shape. >> well, that's great. you've never lost a day of life. i mean, think of the activist general, former secretary of state, now oracle. right? [ laughter ] >> yes. >> bob woodward joins me now.
he's the co-author of the new book "peril." bob, we're so grateful to have you on tonight. it's an extraordinary interview and excerpt to hear. and this was the last interview with colin powell and possibly the last interview that he did. i understand you interviewed him over 50 times over 32 years. you knew him. what did you think? >> yes. well, it goes back to 1989, the panama invasion. he was somebody -- a rare public official who did not shield himself. he was willing to open himself up and would answer questions. you could always get him on the phone or go see him. and he felt that was part of his responsibility. and i think it was part of his integrity, quite frankly. >> speaking of which, we're seeing the battles over documents for the january 6th
special committee. you asked him about the insurrection. i want to play that. i want to hear that. >> sure. >> just got rid of a president. >> pardon? >> who was not re-elected. refused to acknowledge he wasn't re-elected. he has people who go along with him on that. >> yeah. >> and we had a congress who is ready to elect him or do something with him and make him a hero again. knees guys all badmouth right after the riot, in the white house. but two weeks later they were all back in his camp. >> what did you think of that riot and assault on the capitol? >> it was awful. he was going in there to overturn government. >> yeah. >> i don't think anyone says that. >> i mean, look, he was a lifelong republican, but then he said, he told cnn that he could no longer -- he no longer after the insurrection considered himself a republican.
he couldn't stand what the trump administration represented. >> he could not. and he made the point not just that trump was trying to overthrow or say he won the election but that trump was really trying to overthrow the government because we're not going to have a government if we can't hold elections where people will realize the votes have been counted and they either won or lost. and trump's persistent false claim that there's evidence that somehow he won the election, it's not there. bob costa and i doing our book "peril" did this research and found that two of trump's biggest supporters, senator lindsey graham and senator mike lee of utah, investigated these claims in depth and found zero,
absolutely zero evidence. and this was not somebody who was opposed to trump. these big trump supporters. >> mm-hmm. listen, colin powell was -- again, as you said, a lifelong republican until he said he couldn't be a republican anymore considering what the trump administration had done. but he was a type of old school republican with integrity. he abhorred racism. this isn't the first time he had concerns about someone in power and especially possible racism. am i correct? >> that's correct. when he first was asked to join the bush senior administration, i have in my book "the commanders" how powell was very reluctant because bush senior in the run against dukakis, 1988, the very famous race-baiting
willie horton ads, powell was appalled, found this was unacceptable, and so he wouldn't take the initial jobs that were offered, stayed in the army, and eventually bush made him chairman of the joint chiefs and powell accepted and he had quite a close relationship. but that initial -- he wasn't going to play ball with even a president who had played the willie horton card in a very ugly political race-baiting way. >> it was an awful ad. it was an awful time for those of us old enough to remember that. another interesting part of your interview, though, with him was this comment he made about this characterization of him as a reluctant warrior. here it is. >> the reluctant warrior. whenever that is asked of me, i
said true. i am a reluctant warrior. >> yeah? >> i don't like wars. i don't like to be a warrior. but remember the other thing that is well known about me. and that is we go to war and i will do everything i can to beat the crap out of somebody, and win it. >> maybe the most complicated part, bob, of his legacy is the cover that he gave for the 2003 invasion of iraq. how did he reckon with that over the years? >> well, he reckoned with it in a very honorable way, said it was a mistake, that it's a blot on his record and he accepts responsibility for it and when looking back at the iraq war his instinct was that it wasn't necessary, and he concluded that he did not fight loud enough and strong enough within president
george w. bush to say wait a minute, this is not necessary or may not be necessary. >> do you agree, bob, that the biggest influence in his life was his wife? >> yes. yeah. i mean, in a very interesting way, i asked him at the -- now, this is three months ago. who is the person who's the truth teller who has had the most influence with you, who you admire the most? i thought he was going to say president bush or martin luther king. he said, alma powell. his wife of 58 years. and he went on. maybe you have the tape of that. it's very moving and honest. >> yeah. as we go to break let's just play that tape. i'm going to thank you here. and if we can just play that sound bite as we go to break. bob, thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> who was the greatest man,
woman, or person you have ever known? not a leader or -- but the inner person, you know, the moral compass, the sense of propriety, the sense of the truth matters. who was that in all of your life? >> alma powell. >> okay. good for you. good for you. >> she was with me the whole time. been married 58 years. >> wow. congratulations. >> thank you. and she put up with a lot. she took care of the kids when i was, you know, running around. and she was always there for me and she'd tell me that's not a good idea. she was usually right. >> ...and lots of opportunities.
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