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subpoena should be prosecuted by the justice department. >> i hope that the committee goes after them and holds them accountable. >> should they be prosecuted? >> yes. >> that is strong stuff from the president after the white house tried to distance itself from the criminal contempt referral against steve bannon and the doj says the department of justice will make its own independent decision in all prosecutions based solely on the facts and the law period full stop. that is happening as democrats on the committee are speaking out tonight holding bannon and purveyors of the big lie accountable. >> we're not bluffing. we'll hold people accountable and we expect people to appear before the committee as is everyone's duty before congress and we will take the next step, which is criminal referral. >> we want mr. bannon's cooperation. he's clearly hiding behind this privilege he doesn't hold and
that's fine. if he continues to stone wall, we'll use every means necessary including the tuesday meeting. >> we got those like steve bannon who are taking their lead from donald trump and think they're just above the law and they're the only citizens in the united states who don't have to respond to a subpoena from a court or from the u.s. congress. we're going to try to charge these people with criminal contempt. >> so, the question is now what? what happens next? will holding bannon hold him in contempt? i don't know. it's a sign maybe, just maybe the law still matters in this country. hopefully it does. that as we are learning tonight a u.s. capitol police officer, this is a big one, a u.s. capitol police officer has been arrested and charges with obstruction of justice for allegedly attempting to help a rioter cover their tracks. this is according to an indictment. michael a. riley allegedly
communicated on facebook with a person that posted selfies and videos during the insurrection saying and i quote i'm a capitol police officer who agrees with your political stance. take down the part about being in the building. they are currently investigating and everyone in the building is going to be charged. just looking out. so let's remember exactly what happened on january 6th. let's remember how bad, how brutal the attack on the united states capitol was. matter of fact, we have video tonight, video the justice department says captures one of the first successful breaches of the capitol on that day. it shows a proud boy dominic pazola accusing one of the major conspiracy cases using a stolen capitol police riot shield to smash through a window on the west side of the capitol building as the mob streams inside. and there is new video what happened when they got inside. facing off with capitol police officer eugene goodman and demanding to know where lawmakers were counting the
votes. yeah, so much for a peaceful protest and, you know, tourism. so let's remember what happened to my friend officer michael fanone. we have video of the brutal assault. it was shot from an angle above the mob. showing officer fanone, you see him at the top of the screen. being pulled from outside out into the mob. michael fanone suffered a heart attack and concussion during the insurrection and dealing with a traumatic brain injury and posttraumatic stress disorder. that's the reality of what happened on january 6th and we got more to come on all of this. stay tuned in a moment. there is also the latest on bill clinton hospitalized in
california for a urinary tract infection. the former president is in good spirits, talking to family and staff and has been up and walking and today he got a call from the current president joe biden. >> i wanted to see how he's doing, and because i've been trying to get ahold of him. he's doing fine, he really is and going to be released from the hospital and we talked about, which we were going to do before, getting together. i haven't seen him in awhile. told him to come over and have lunch and talk. he was very encouraging about why he thought the policies i was pursuing made sense but we didn't get into much detail except mainly just see how he's doing. >> that as tonight, the fringes of both parties are clearly running the show. democrats are at the mercy of two senators, joe mansion,
kyrsten sinema holding up the agenda with the end of a month deadline proposing to pass two big bills. >> you have a message for senator sinema and mansion now. >> i'm about to deliver it. >> they're ready to see movement on the bill and soon but aides are keeping mum about the president's private conversations with mansion and sinema and the president himself is tamping down expectations today. >> we'll probably not get 3.5 trillion this year. we'll get something less than that but i'm going to negotiate and get it done with the grace of god and good neighbors as my grandpa would say. >> sources are talking to cnn and telling us that the clean electricity performance program, that is the corner stone climate policy in democrats social
safety net package, that it will likely be dropped after push back from mansion. one democratic aide is even saying they're trying to find ways to restructure the program to fit mansion's concerns but they're doubtful that they can get manchin's support and while the members of the president's own party are holding his agenda hostage, the republican party is at the mercy of anti-vaxxers. big lie proponents. people who are turning america's schools into battle grounds. exhibit a, texas. that's where both sides are apparently reigning supreme. republican governor greg abbott signing a law aimed at stopping discussions of race and history in schools, a law creating chaos in the classroom. cnn obtained audio of a texas administrator telling teachers if they have books about the holocaust in their classroom libraries, they should also include books that have so-called opposing views of the holocaust.
i want you to think about that. opposing views of the holocaust. what would that be? the nazi defense of the holocaust is basically what it would be, right? include opposing views of the holocaust. >> just try to remember the concepts of 3979 and if you have a book on the holocaust, you have one of opposing -- >> how do you oppose the holocaust? >> what? >> yeah, that was a good question. how would you oppose the holocaust? either someone needs to read -- i don't know. this is the reality. these are the facts. 6 million jewish people were
slaughtered in the holocaust, men, women, children, the victims of horrific genocide. there is no other perspective here. never will be. a school district superintendent apologizing, right, quote, for saying this. during the conversations during last week's meeting the comments made were in no way to convey the holocaust was anything less than a terrible event in history. additionally, we recognize there are not two sides of the holocaust, duh. what is -- a lot more to come on this tonight. we'll continue to follow. i want to get right now to the latest news that we have and that is president biden saying tonight anybody that refuses a subpoena from the january 6th committee should be prosecuted by the doj. our chief white house correspondent is here with us this evening. kaitlan collins. a new tactic from him. what is everyone saying? >> reporter: well, it is certainly the most candid president biden has been when we talk about what happened to
those defying those subpoenas. we asked the question to the president's top aides. they hedged more and said it's up to the justice department. the president said he has a view of the january 6th investigation. we knew that because he said he was not going to assert executive privilege over the documents that his predecessor wanted him to do, that the committee is trying to get hands on. that's unusual itself because typically, you have presidents that do assert that privilege because it's a precedent for other presidents that come after them and so tonight, we wanted to see what the president's thoughts on this were and he said he thinks the committee should hold him to full account if there are people like steve bannon defying subpoenas that the question of what happens next week when we see criminal contempt charges against steve bannon once the select committee returns to washington. the president said he does think the justice department should prosecute people who defy the subpoenas, and we should note that they are pushing back quickly saying they are going to make their decisions independently based on the facts
and law as they see them because this is a president that came to the white house saying they would make decisions independent of the white house and west wing. that was a big talk with the last president and so it is notable, though, that the president is going out there saying yes, this is what he thinks they should be prosecuted if they defy the subpoenas that of the 1-6 committee. >> let's talk about the president's domestic agenda when it comes to that. he says he's about to deliver a message to senators sinema and manchin. do we know what that message is? >> no, he didn't tell us. another question i asked when he came back here is whether or not he ever thought senator manchin and senator bernie sanders could reconcile differences when it comes how to put his priorities into law. that's at the heart, this disagreement we're seeing play out tonight with senator joe manchin putting out a statement pushing back and being incredibly critical of senator sanders in turn critical of senator manchin and it could make a really key difference over what the outcome of this package is going to look like
and we've seen a lot of progressives have frustrations with senator manchin and senator sinema but more moderate members of their party saying they want to know a clear line of where it is they stand so the talks and the progress can actually happen because it doesn't seem to be really changing from what their positions were a few weeks ago. >> the clock is clearly running out and there appears to be a greater sense of urgency from the white house tonight. am i reading that correctly? >> i think so. i think they're realizing saying progress is happening behind the scenes but they are saying, you know, we do actually have to make the choices. there has to be a movement. remember, right now there is still an end of october deadline that's been set by the democratic leaders to get both of the bills passed and the white house is hoping to have that bigger package, the one that deals with climate change at least have the frame work of it by the time the president goes to a major climate summit at the end of the month and right now that seems incredibly unlikely. so whether or not it changes the tactics here at the white house, that remains to be seen but it
was notable i think that the president said tonight he was going to deliver a message to senator manchin and senator sinema so we'll stay tuned to see if the president actually discloses what that message is. >> all eyes on washington. kaitlyn at the white house. we'll go to the capitol later on. president biden says anybody who refuses a subpoena from the january 6th committee should be prosecuted by the justice department. is that going to complicate things for the doj and committee? >> obviously, four years of donald trump made everybody rusty with the branches of government and department of justice and i don't think he was telling the department of justice what to do but they will make their own decision and we have confidence that the attorney general will do the right thing. higher. (man 2) definitely higher.
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contempt a decision to prosecute will likely fall with attorney general merrick garland. >> he's right. he's not making a controversial statement. he's saying people who break the law should be prosecuted. don, i don't like it. he stepped up to the line and look, you and i sat here for the greater part of four years talking about a president who sort of mettled in the affairs of the justice department and you tiptoe to the line. look i don't want to equate this to the conflict over the past four years. it's not the same. the president stays out and i can tell you from time when i was there, look, when you're in a joint meeting with the white house and justice department and you need to talk to the case, send the white house folks out. that's how it works. there is a level of separation between the two and this got close to it so they are pushing back. >> a comment, i get your point. comment and actual behavior, two different things considering the -- >> nope, nope, nope. >> the last administration. yeah. steve bannon is the poster child
for this. how important is it he is held accountable, do you think? >> it's important he's held accountable because it's interesting. he has the worst case of everyone here. he's not -- again, he wasn't a lawyer. he doesn't have executive privilege. didn't work in the white house at the time. he's a guy claiming because he talked to donald trump one day somehow he's immunized or insulated from ever having to testify and that's nonsense. it clear that the committee very quickly, very early on is taking a stand and making a statement if you defy subpoenas and violate congress you go to jail and that's what the president was saying or trying to get at and it's true. >> yeah, let's talk about benny thompson the chairman. he is warning that no one, no one he says is off limits when it comes to who could be subpoenaed that including the former guy. is this a race against time given the level of stone walling that they're getting? >> yeah, look, if they're going to subpoena the president they would be wise to do it soon
because it's going to end up in the courts. don, two things can be true at the same time. number one, the president does have a history of running the clock out on things and sort of frivolous litigation but as a former president of the united states has privilege claims that will end up in court. this will be litigated for a long time and if they want a prayer of getting the former president's testimony, they better get in court soon. yeah, the other thing don is the moment they attempt to, this whole thing becomes a side show because you brought donald trump into and we've been there before. >> yes and then he gets to create some sort of narrative that he wants. usually the opposite of what it is and he goes out and sells it and the people buy it and gobble it up like thanksgiving dinner. cnn white house steven collinson says this. bannon never hit his desire so he may relish the challenge and
chance to launch a political cause. if so, he'll prove again once powerful figures who resolve to define normal guard rails of political behavior and in trump's case the rule of law itself often find they can operate with a degree of impunity. that is frightening if that is indeed what is happening now or that is allowed to happen. what does that say about the future of our democracy? >> look, it could be a cause but you can go to jail if you break the law. i'd caution against sort of fearing the future of democracy because a bunch of knuckle heads continue to defy subpoenas that. there is a mechanism for holding them accountable, right? congress can do it and congress can sue and the justice department has the ability -- >> can't congress do it? they're trying.
[ laughter ] >> well, not to get too far in the weeds here, don, but they have to meet formally and send it to the full house. that's the rules. if you want it to happen quicker, get a better congress and they should have done this years ago and give their own rules teeth but they don't have it and that's what we got. >> the justice department released this video of the first protesters that breached the capitol shot from the point of view of one of the insurrectionists. i hope you've seen this. the first guys to go in. there they are using i think a stolen police shield. and it comes as a capitol police officer elliott has been indicted on obstruction charges tied to the insurrection. is this an easy case for prosecutors? >> you know, don, i want to take a minute on behalf of all prols -- prosecutors worldwide to honor the stupidity of this defendant. literally he says in an email take down the part about the building. they're currently investigating everyone. just looking out. look, give me a financial record or something to look at but this is the clearest evidence any prosecutor could have of an act
of obstruction of justice and then goes and delete facebook messages, which in prosecutor terms is the equivalent of my 8-year-old breaking a window and putting a blanket over it to think we won't see the broken glass on the ground. it's obvious, it's stupid, shameful and insulting to the laws and here we are. >> yeah. >> i don't know. >> who ate the cheetos? not me but you have orange all over your face. >> you have orange all over your face. no, you have orange all over your face and holding a bag of cheetos and have cheetos in your mouth saying these cheetos are good. >> i use cheetos for obvious reasons. >> touche. >> there you go. >> we saw -- i'm not going to lie. we saw the heroism and bravery of so many officers including michael fanone that got brutally assaulted that day, still recovering. traumatic brain injury, heart attack, ptsd and we see that in newly released video but there
is concern they may be sympathetic to the insurrectionists or didn't see them as a threat. that is pretty problematic. >> yeah, that's evident in this most recent indictment, too. there is a number of statements that he makes throughout it saying look, i'm on your side and politically with you. don, my very first trial as a prosecutor was with the capitol police. they see all kinds of things from acts of terrorism literally to a guy with a bag of weed in union station. it a very sort of large police source. the overwhelming majority of them are great public servants here to protect washington d.c. and the capitol building. now, that doesn't change that there are people, there could be people sympathetic within the police force and we need to do better as a nation at vetting and screening officers before they're placed in these positions but i don't doubt for
a moment and this indictment right here makes it clear it's there and a cancer that needs to be cut out of law enforcement everywhere. >> elliott williams. >> don lemon. >> it's no tie friday. >> should i pop it off? >> you didn't get the memo. sorry. >> thank you. president biden warning nothing in our democracy is assured, freedom isn't guaranteed. what's behind the warning? next. and wait for back and forth e-mail, or a call to be rescheduled for the third time. orrr... you could use slack. and work faster with everyone you work with, together in one place. slack. where the future works.
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stewart, good evening to you. i told you we'd have you back and here you are. i want you to listen to this. this is from the president's speech on human rights. here it is. >> leading by example means taking action at home. to renew and defend our own democracy, to advance equity and promote justice, to defend the sacred right to vote in free, fair and secure elections. >> so he is talking the talk but are the president and this party doing enough to keep democracy safe? >> well, i would say they're doing everything they can but it probably not enough. we have to just come to a realization that this is not a normal moment and respond to it
accordingly. we have to take this threat seriously. so, you know, the problem with being president is you got to do a lot of things at the same time at once. i mean, i think their focus now is trying to get a big bill through. but it's something we ought to talk about a lot and i think it a successful strategy for the democrats to nationalize this race around the threat to democracy. and appeal to people's basic patriotism. >> and? >> i think it's the way to go. you know, what kills me about these republicans is that a legacy to the greatest generation, right? people like my dad who is like hundreds of thousands of others, three years in the south pacific. comes back and goes about his life. that's the legacy they inherited. and what was asked of these republicans was not a lot. i mean, most recently all they had to do is have their staff put out two senate statements congratulating joe biden for winning the presidential election and they can't rise to that level to defend the country and accept it? not being asked to get out of a boat when the guy in front of
them just got shot? it's really just -- it's shameful and when you look at democracies that fade, this is how it happens. >> yeah. and is always the best question you can ask. i know you had more to say about it because it is interesting to watch as the old school republicans, right, like yourself and others just sit back in awe and i don't mean that in a good way of what is happening like my goodness, what happened to the party that i knew? when you have all these people who are now in office really just making excuses for the former president and they don't -- do they have any idea of how they will be viewed in history? do they care about their legacies at all? stewart? i mean -- >> you know, this is something i thought about a lot. say what you will. most politicians have big egos which is fine.
actors, musicians, writers. i don't understand why they don't realize how they're going to look and for what? what's the worst at stake here that you lose a primary? you know, most people we know in the senate, not that great of a job. congress is even worse. and they would be fine financially. so it's just a fundamental test that for the most part, the republican party failed. parties in our system should be a circuit breaker function and the republican party never pulled the circuit breaker on trump and once you don't do that, it only gets worse. >> reality tv show star and pretty bad businessman from new york, that's how history -- that's who they stood by and
made excuses for. what do you make of what is happening with the democrats and the january 6th commission? because they're going to have to get this done before the midterms or else congress could change, senates will change and then bye bye investigation. >> yeah, look, i'm with liz cheney on this. this is one of the most important investigations in the country. we got to get to the bottom of this. what people have trouble understanding is there are individuals in the republican party at all levels that were involved in this. this wasn't a rogue action. there were white house staffers involved. there was senators and congressman and their staffers involved and republican fundraisers involved, the
republican attorney general's association had involvement in this and you got to just get at that. you know, none of these senators out there like hawley or cruz, they knew what they were doing. it's really essential that the whole ugly story get told and as many people held accountable as possible. >> hey, stewart, one more for you. there is a poll out from the virginia governor's race. 51%, biden said the election could be a bellwether for what's to happen in the midterms. what are you looking for here? should we know? >> this is the simplest race in history. of november 3rd, 2020 virginians rejected donald trump by 10 points. on november 2nd, 2021 why would they vote for donald trump? it's straight up that choice. and i hope mcauliffe drives that message. if youngkin win, they'll be the most happy. that whole crowd. and steve bannon. >> yeah. >> so do what you did on november 3rd, 2020 and reject this. >> thank you, stewart, see you soon. have a great weekend.
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okay. so you've got to hear this. we got audio of a texas school administrator that says balance any books on the holocaust with opposing views. listen to gina peddy. >> try to remember the concepts of 3979 and make sure that if you have a book on the holocaust, that you have one that has opposing -- that has -- >> how do you oppose the holocaust? >> what? >> that's a good question. what exactly are opposing views for the holocaust? denial? something worse?
good question. cnn reached out to petty but we haven't got a response. the superintendent saying in a quote during the conversations with teachers during last week's meeting, the comments were nothing to say the holocaust was anything but a horrible event in history. there are not two sides holocaust. joining me is s.e. cupp and ron brownstein. to both of you, s.c. i don't know if she was making an off hand comment but her comments stem from confusion over this new texas law designed to restrict how race and history are taught in schools. so is this where we are right now trying to both sides the holocaust? >> right, i mean, the ones who are really in the tight spot are teachers and they're furious about this because their hands are tied. they don't know how to teach history that happened when they have issues that only have one
side and there are two reasons why this is happening right now. one is 2022 and the other is 2024. republicans in texas are trying to get voters there outraged about something and in this case, it's critical race theory and teaching racism in schools and culture wars and that issue, you know, to the hilt. what is interesting is that republicans sort of shot themselves in the foot with that really barbaric abortion law. abortion has been a very motivating, energizing issue for voters in texas for republicans and they essentially took it off the table by passing that law so they're stuck having to do stuff like this, which is not only desperate and, you know, ill advised but really putting our teachers in a tough spot. >> huh. that is a very astute assessment.
i never thought about that. i never even thought about it that way. ron, let me bring you in. president biden gave a sweeping speech on human rights and he spoke about the lessons learned from prosecuting nazi crimes after world war ii. listen to this. >> it's all about building a case fact by fact. using the nazis all meticulous records of crimes and shocking human evidence to pin down nazi leaders who try to deny complicity and feign ignorance. and even more important, to deny the entire german policy, the ability to feign ignorance, to deal with a past you must face the truth. >> ignorance is a weapon of oppression. is the truth at stake here? >> yeah, look, i mean, i don't
think history is going to have any trouble understanding why the trump movement crested when it did or why we're seeing these laws proliferate and administrative actions proliferate in red states trying to restrict how schools talk about racial equity and racism. the school year that began last month is projected to be the first one ever in american history when a majority of the high school graduates will be kids of color. a majority of all the k to 12 students in the country are kids of color. it's up to 54%. the census reported a majority of everyone under 18 is now a person of color and in texas, 73% of the public school students are kids of color and you have a republican collision, particularly in the sun belt state that is even with some minority support among hispanics overwhelmingly centered on the
white voters that are the most uneasy the way the country is changing demographically and constantly and on the lookout for issues the signal they share that concern and will present themselves as a human wall against these changes and, you know, critical race theory and these limits on teaching are like the latest in a long string -- not even lasting. look what is happening on banning transgender athletes from school sports. it's an endless treadmill of finding ways to tell the voters, mostly white most uneasy that you will fight that on their behalf. >> s.e., weigh in. it's similar to what you just said in your first answer why they have resorted to this kind of, you know, tactic. this texas bill is like one of several like it introduced this year. there is a lot of misdirection about not making kids feel
guilty about the past but the history is complicated and learning it will make anyone uncomfortable at some point. it wasn't comfortable for me quite honestly to learn about slavery, right? >> sure. >> so how do you expect kids to be taught if they can't learn the truth? >> well, i mean, it's backwards as the most censorship progress projects, especially ones that stem from this outrage culture and position of politics, right? this isn't about education. this is political. and most censorship projects end up ending in these kind of confusing chaotic and sort of, you know, indirect consequences which is now teachers wondering how to teach both sides of something awful like the holocaust or slavery. it's not that controversial. don. i don't know how you grew up. i grew up learning slavery happened and it was awful. 2 a scourge. this is not news. we should be teaching that
history and the history, you know, everywhere it was as fact, not opinion and certainly, not as something that is seen through a political lens -- >> s.c., can i ask you something? we talked about there is no opposing side, no opposing view for the holocaust. so s.c., what would be the opposing view for slavery? that it was -- is it the happy slave thing? i don't know. >> you know there have always been efforts to sort of tell the confederate story as if the confederacy was heroic but not actually about slavery. it was about property or whatever it was but i think it's really. >> tariffs.
>> it's doing a disservice to not tell the history, which is that the confederacy lost and wanted to break apart the union over the issue of slavery and they lost. they're losers and praising them has nothing to do with kind of, you know, crapping on the south. there is great southern culture. i lived in the south for some time. so did you, i know. and so we can embrace the south and the stories of the south without trying to rewrite an awful chapter, maybe the darkest chapter in our nation's history as anything other than that. >> i need to get ron in. ron, i'll give you the last word here. >> real quick, i think the pronoun is really revealing because for the people pushing this -- these efforts, it's not our kids. it's somebody else's kids. and you're talking about a texas republican party that is overwhelmingly centered in the non-urban, the rural predominantly white christian parts of the state setting rules for a public school system three quarters kids of color trying to control what they're taught about racial equity and histories of racial injustice -- >> is this minority rule. >> it goes to the heart of the confrontation we're seeing across the sun belt on covid and
issues where you have a rural based republican coalition in control trying to constrain the emergence of a diverse young generation that has the potential to change the political balance of power in states like georgia, texas and arizona. this is one component and the same as the voting rights laws making it harder to vote amounts to stacking sandbags against a rising tide of demographic change. this is just another element. >> less democracy, less education, less speech, less voting. when these are your ideas, you're out of them clearly. >> to be continued. this conversation is not going anywhere. this story is not going anywhere. thank you both. i appreciate it. have a great weekend. pete buttigieg adopting children, taking parental leave, only for tucker carlson and you know his homophobic crack about
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who took paternity leave at -- you know, paternity leave is not just for gay men. like heterosexual men take paternity leave even at that network, right? anchors like jesse walters gushed about his leave experience for the birth of his third child. >> my father -- my father said just today, jesse, you better get back on the five pretty soon. your replacements have been really good. i was like, thanks, dad. but now i'm pro-paternity. i used to mock people for taking paternity. i used to think it was a big ruse, but now, you know, i wish i could take six weeks. >> so carlson's remarks are just a slap in the face to workers all across this country. many don't get the privilege that fox employees do, being paid to take extended time off
to take care of children. and then, of course, there's the homophobia, saying that a gay man is trying to learn to breast-feed. like why was that necessary? i don't know what's going on here. it is so obvious, and it is so insecure. tonight the secretary buttigieg is responding. >> i guess he just doesn't understand the concept of bottle-feeding, let alone the concept of paternity leave. but what's really strange is this is from a side of the aisle that used to claim the mantel of being pro-family. what we have right now is an administration that's actually pro-family, and i'm blessed to be able to experience that, you know, as an employee. >> family values, right? i don't know. there you go. i think we know where to find them. it's up on the screen right there. that's family values.
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