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people a day. at some point they also spoke on the phone. then the person at the riot was arrested on january 19th and was asked by the fbi about communications with riley. according to the indictment, riley deleted his facebook messages on january 20th. riley appeared in court today virtually and was released on certain conditions. including that he can't have any firearms. according to the indictment, riley has worked with capitol police for 25 years. he was in the canine unit on january 6th and though he was not on duty inside the capitol building, prosecutors say he responded to reports of an explosive device on capitol hill that day. this comes as lawmakers investigating january 6th are sending a message to any witnesses who do not cooperate with them by moving ahead with criminal contempt proceedings against steve bannon who is refusing to comply with a subpoena. chair bennie thompson says pursuing charges should serve as
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a warning. >> i assure the public that at the end of the day, the committee expect full cooperation from everyone that we subpoenaed. >> reporter: criminal contempt is a lengthy process. lawmakers will meet tuesday night to detail their efforts to get bannon to comply and how he refused. that report is then referred to the house for a vote. if it succeeds, it goes to the justice department for a u.s. attorney to possibly bring before a grand jury. but the decision is ultimately up to attorney general merrick garland. as for who else could be a target? lawmakers are not ruling out anyone, including vice president mike pence or former president donald trump. >> nobody is off limits to a subpoena from this committee. >> reporter: the committee has agreed to postpone depositions with other trump advisers, kash patel, mark meadows and dan scavino to give them more time for negotiations. but the committee says their
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patience is limited. jake, lawmakers have a long list of witnesses lined up. next week they expect documents or depositions that they have subpoenaed from several people involved in organizing the stop the steal rally on january 6th. the following week they have subpoenaed former justice official jeffrey clark who tried to help trump overturn the 2020 laexs results. a source tells cnn at this point clark's options are really limited and he may testify now that he's under subpoena after months of talking with lawmakers. >> and i have to say, just to take a moment, this capitol police officer is accused -- vent been convicted -- he's accused of not only reaching out to one of the insurrectionists who criminally attacked the capitol january 6th but to advise him on how to cover up the crime? this is a police officer? >> exactly. if i may put my lawyer hat on. it's not a crime to reach out to someone and say i sympathize with your views, i agree with
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you but he went a few steps further here. he was messaging this person, instructing them, hey, you may want to delete those posts. here's why. he referenced the fact they were investigating and potentially arresting people. and he encouraged him to get off social media altogether and you see him again trying to cover his own tracks, right? deleting his own facebook messages. this is not an appropriate course of conduct, physically for someone in law enforcement which is why he's now facing these charges. >> keep your lawyer hat on for one second. i have one other quick question briefly. you said that the other three trump aides that were being subpoenaed, not bannon, but meadows, kash patel and scavino. there's time to negotiate. what are they negotiating? >> so the terms of potentially cooperating here. as representative schiff has said. not all engagement or negotiations resolve peacely or with an agreement but they are trying to come up with
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accommodation. a way for some of these folks to maybe provide some documents. testimony. that's usually the way this works. it's very unusual to charge someone with criminal contempt. typically there's this negotiating but it's unclear how it's going to work out. >> paula reid, thank you. i want to bring in a democratic congresswoman on the select committee investigating the january 6th attack and represents the great commonwealth of virginia. so i want to get your reaction to this news that a capitol police officer, one of the many brave men and women who -- it's their job to protect people like you. this officer has been indicted on obstruction charges for warning an insurrectionist to take down his social media posts. what's your reaction? how do issues like this complicate your committee's mission. >> thanks for the question. this falls in a different category. the department of justice is investigating individuals who
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took actions on that day that people who brutally attacked police officers, those who entered the building. this is a new development to have a police officer himself who is being charged with obstructing justice. it's important when we look at the investigations overall that we separate out the individual criminal prosecutions of these individuals and then the work of the committee which is broader and looking at the overall scope of the events and causes and things that led up to january 6th and ultimately with the goal of producing comprehensive report and recommendations to prevent something like this from happening in the future. on the note of the officer, it's disappointing and not representative of our law enforcement professionals as a whole that this one person, rather than being someone who chose to uphold the law chose to assist someone in giving them advice in how to protect themselves from charges on that day. >> so your committee is moving forward with plans to hold steve bannon in criminal contempt. have you heard from bannon's
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legal team in response to the committee making that intention public yesterday? >> well, we plan to move forward on tuesday and that will include a report detailing all of those communications that happen up until that point and we plan to refer that to the full house for a vote because no one is above the law. as you can see with this action. we're not bluffing. we are going to hold people accountable and expect people when subpoenaed to appear before this committee as is everyone's duty before congress. and we will take the next step, which is criminal referral. >> the committee votes on it tuesday. then the full house would vote on it. and then attorney general garland would have to make a decision. is the door closed on a chance for bannon to negotiate an opportunity to testify or, no, the door is open until garland would make his decision? >> our goal is to have him testify. i think this will send a strong
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message there are consequences for not testifying. so as we move forward with our work if mr. bannon chooses to show up and testify, that's the end result this committee wants is to get all information necessary relative to the events on january 6th. in his role and close communications with the president during that time frame, his testimony is very important for the committee. >> so you talked about how the committee has a broader task than just individual prosecutions at the department of justice, even though they have something like 600 going. you are looking at how this happened. when you specifically issue these subpoenas for kash patel, dan sscavino, mark meadows, wha broadly are you looking for? are you looking for evidence that trump or someone high up in his orbit planned, wanted, planned, conspired for this january 6th rally crowd to run to the capitol to stop democracy, to stop the counting of electoral votes? is that basically what you are
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looking into, to see if there is evidence that that happened? >> i would say that's in line with it. what we're looking for and with this group of subpoenas which were the first group we issued, these were met to seek information for people close to the president who we know, via public record and comment communicated with the president on and around that date. and this is just a starting point. we're talking to many, many more people. but those who were closest to the president understood or would have a reason to understand his thinking. and either speak to him or observe his actions during that day and understand all of the events that transpired. >> democratic congresswoman, elaine luria, member of the special committee investigating january 6th. have a great weekend. president biden hits the road to pitch his massive agenda. but is the message making it to lawmakers in his own party? plus, nearly 13 million more people may be eligible for a boost. we'll talk to a member of the fda vaccine panel. stay with us. unlimited data
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topping our politics lead this hour -- president biden is en route back to the white house after a trip to the nutmeg state to promote his economic agenda. democrats still haggling over the bill. still no compromise in sight. so it makes it tough to negotiate if they're not -- we don't know what they are arguing about. do you think the president out there promoting it when they don't have a bill is pointless in a way? >> it's a problem. i think part of the issue is not -- you don't know what's in the bill. people throw around $3.5
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trillion. obviously it's going to have to come down from that. is it going to be the child care bill or expansion of medicare bill. and people are already skeptical this is going to do anything to change their lives. >> and there's this new cnn poll this week showing only a quarter of americans think the infrastructure bill and social safety net package will make their families better off. bernie sanders is on twitter blaming this on the news media. >> which i was going to do until i read 16% of people are only following it in the news. so if only 16% of people are following this in the news then it's not surprising they don't think it's going to be helpful to them. >> i will say, sanders and you have a point in that there's a lot of coverage of the personalities and stuff. we've described what's in the bill several times over the last few months, although i still dont know what is actually -- >> i actually think it's because people aren't really -- if you aren't watching it there's no way you would have seen what you're just talking about.
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it's true they don't know what going to end up in it because they have people who will not -- haven't been -- one person who hasn't been transparent about what she wants and is starting to be transparent about it. biden knows what he wants to be in it. just doesn't know what's going to end up in it. i'd wait and see until there's a bill to see how people feel about it. and then once it passes, then they can start selling it and go out and say here are the things we're going to do for you. >> it's kind of -- my colleague did a couple of focus groups of biden voters and said what do you think of this bill? seems like a lot of money. they do know 3.5. if you are a swing voter you sort of thing democrats, 3.5 sounds kind of big. then there are some tax increases to pay for it since biden has stressed he wants to -- >> on rich people. >> look, i'm okay with it personally but a lot of middle and upper class voters say they say rich people but i don't
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know. are we confident about that? that's what all these voters groups. that's all they knew. it's a huge failure of white house messaging. they could have said it's a child care bill, health care bill. >> they don't know. >> well, come on, still, they are proposing -- >> it's a health education and welfare bill. >> it's the reconciliation -- >> also an infrastructure bill. everybody knows what that is. and they got a lot of republicans to vote for it. and they know it was pushed aside in the house. and they don't like that because everybody understands where they live that they need infrastructure. so instead of being a huge plus, it turns out to be, eh, kind of a minus right now because they haven't done that yet. and so people -- that's what people really wanted at the beginning and they made the decision. the progressives said that's our leverage. you can't vote on that now. and that could turn into a
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problem. i don't think everybody in america is waiting to see whether it's one big package or two packages. but they do know that they did support an infrastructure bill overwhelmingly and so did lots of republicans. >> biden is a little bit of a victim of congressional rules. they have to do it in reconciliation. >> has to start in the house p. here's $400 billion for child care. that sounds good. $200 billion for education. you'd bring each one up, debate it, amenda. have a week or two on it. but you can't do that because of the way congress works. >> perhaps more frustrating than bill is terry mcauliffe who would love to be out there talking about his close relationship with president biden which is going to bring roads and bridges to virginia. he's not able to do that. >> he did get some help from former president trump this week who, you know, said that youngkin is a great guy. hopefully we can get him in there in virginia.
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he's having a problem because he can't point to what has been done. they are bringing in jill biden who is supposed to be very relatable. trying to bring in the heavy hitters to back him up because, obviously, they are concerned about this election. >> we have a graphic. the mcauliffe campaign saying we have president biden first lady jill biden, barack obama, doug imhoff, stacey abrams, keisha lance bottoms, amy klobuchar and glen youngkin says this is what terry mcauliffe has to do because he can't win on his own. he needs to bring in all these people. >> so now having surrogates is suspicious behavior? >> he's trying to turn -- >> yeah, the fact he doesn't want trump to come in. >> yeah, that's the point. he's trying to distance himself from trump while also getting all the trump voters because it's virginia. and so there are voters there that are moderate and aren't going to like trump.
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so he doesn't have anybody he can call in because he doesn't want to -- he doesn't want everybody to know that he's aligned with trump. so i just think that's a campaign. that's a functioning campaign. >> one thing, i'm for mcauliffe to be clear but youngkin has done a good job presenting himself as an outsider, what everyone really thinks of that. but mcauliffe was governor for four years and i -- he was a pretty good governor and once -- >> of that sounds like a terrible resume. he was governor, but -- >> the voters are so intent to change. it's a well-governed state. low unemployment. you have to run on that if you're mcauliffe. bringing in all the surrogates is what you do if you're an unknown congressional candidate, not if you're the former. >> youngkin is trying to discuss education and local control of education. listen to this -- what terry mcauliffe said at a debate that is now all over the media from youngkin trying to push this. take a look.
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>> i'm not going to let parents come into schools and take books out and make their own decision. so, yeah, i -- i stopped a bill that i don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach. >> so they're making that a big deal. i don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach. obviously, there's an argument there about letting the school do what it wants to do and obviously parents should have input, et cetera. >> it's a cultural debate that youngkin can glom onto. and if you are a republican you want to run on a cultural debate, crime, that kind of thing. if you are a democrat, you want to run on covid and donald trump and so, you know, i think youngkin was smart to pick up on that and say, well, who is terry mcauliffe? you are in charge of your kids. you're in charge of whether or not you want to get a vaccine, right? i personally got a vaccine, says youngkin, but, you know, you make up your own mind. so he was trying to pick up a cultural issue where he may be more comfortable than culturally
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aligning himself -- >> with trump. >> with trump and the insurrectionists. >> although he had trouble because at the rally, the call-in rally for glen youngkin, i don't even know if he was in the united states, so far away, but had a flag from -- from the january 6th and glen youngkin had to go out there and say that's not appropriate. so no matter how moderate he might seem, he is the leader of a party in virginia that's pretty extreme right now. the republican party of virginia. >> he's trying to walk this fine line. even with the parental rights issue, a lot of that is obviously wrapped up in race and this idea we don't want our children learning about -- >> critical race theory. >> which is not taught in virginia. >> it's not taught in virginia and some of these books being taken out are about just integration. like these are the things that are being deemed off the charts or -- >> i think what's unfortunate is the way he said it. the way mcauliffe said it
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because it's not even clear what he's talking about. >> probably what he wanted. >> so even some people would be like, what does that mean, parents aren't supposed to have input into the schools. if people knew what he was talking about, then it might be different. >> youngkin's response to the pledge of allegiance, to the flag that flew over the capitol on january 6th, the word was weird. he said in a statement, that was weird and -- huh? how do you walk that line? i guess he was trying. >> thanks so much. we've got a virginia voter here. are you the only virginia voter at the table? >> i'm maryland. >> you think youngkin is going to win? >> i think mcauliffe is going to win. this afternoon brought important news in the effort to control the pandemic. an advisory board member will join us next. she might need hep reaching them,
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in our health lead, a big day for a key fda advisory panel recommending a booster for people who received the one-dose johnson & johnson vaccine. lots of questions. a lot at stake. joining us, a member of that fda advisory panel, dr. paul ofit, director of the vaccine education center at the children's hospital of philadelphia. dr. offitt, you just left the fda meeting. what went into this decision recommending, yes, johnson & johnson vaccine recipients should get a booster? >> probably more reasonable to think of it as a second dose. when we considered the one-dokes vaccine at the end of february, we knew it was roughly 75% effective at preventing all illness and 85% at serious
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illness. which compared a little less favorably than the mrna but it was a single dose and for certain populations that was very attractive. while we were considering that, they were in the midst of doing a 30,000 two-dose trial. we now know that's about 94% effective in prevention. so it's much more similar to the mrna vaccines and so making a second dose recommendation was really easy. so the recommendation is two doses of j&j vaccine, at least with a second dose at least two months after. >> the mrna vaccines are the pfizer and moderna ones. and the booster for them is only recommended for certain groups, people 65 and older. adults who have immunity problems or underlying conditions. the johnson & johnson second dose that you are now recommending is that for everybody or just the same groups of older americans and people with underlying health conditions?
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>> i think it's for everybody. anybody who has one dose of the johnson & johnson vaccine can benefit from a second dose of the johnson & johnson vaccine. pfizer and moderna boosters are recommended six months after the first round is done. why such a short time frame for the j&j. >> that's the way it was tested. if this were not a pandemic this might have launched as a two-dose vaccine with the second dose two months apart. because many got the j&j awhile ago to say get it only two months later would exclude a lot of people. the recommendation is any time after two months which will then include virtually everybody. >> so speculated a lot of the people who chose the j&j vaccine did so because of convenience. it's obviously a lot easier to get one vaccine than two. maybe some of these people are in rural america. maybe some of these people are -- have very busy, demanding jobs, work two jobs, three jobs. are you worried that this push for a second shot for j&j will
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be harder to convince people to get because they are, by definition, one and done people? >> so the good news is that even a single dose induces immunological memory cells that are responsible for protecting against serious illness. we always talk about neutralizing antibodies. neutralizing antibodies fade over time but memory cells don't. for a long period of time -- the interesting thing about the j&j versus pfizer and moderna is really just a single dose of the j&j was able to induce excellent immunological. so that was the advantage of the j&j vaccine. hopefully people will get the second dose. even if they don't, they are pretty well protected against serious illness from the second dose. >> also this debate about mix and match. if you got a pfizer, whether you can get the boost for moderna. do you expect to vote on that issue, mix and match, any time soon?
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>> so those data were presented today. so looking at people who got an mrna and then boosted with like a vectored virus or different mrna vaccines, so those were studies of about 50 people in each group which are really too small to make a recommendation. so we didn't vote on that today but i suspect we will be voting on that and then the cdc will make clear recommendations about how best to mix and match. >> i want to ask about the recommendation for the moderna booster that you all voted unanimously for that yesterday. one of your fellow committee members, dr. patrick moore said, it was a more gut feeling rather than based on really truly serious data. the data itself is not strong but it's certainly going in the direction that is supportive of this vote, unquote. a gut feeling on such an important decision? >> well, it is hard. so for example, when pfizer submitted their vaccine for two-dose vaccine, that was a 40,000-person trial.
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when they submitted the three-dose vaccine, that was about 306 people. so you see what their immune response was with a third dose. same with moderna. a 30,000 two-dose. the third dose was 170 people. when making decisions based on what's going to happen when you give a vaccine not to 170 people but 10 million people, obviously you'd like as much data as possible. but the immunology data regarding the moderna vaccine was very clear. there was a clear booster response associated with that. there's every reason to believe it would be of value for the over 65-year-old, the person over 50 who has certain health care conditions. there's clearly value in that. >> dr. paul offitt, thank you. a standoff between the city and the police. the mayor of chicago will join us next. stay with us. how much you'll need, and build a straightforward plan to generate income,
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chicago's new vaccine mandate top ourselves national lead. today is the deadline for all chicago city employees to be fully vaccinated or be forced to take unpaid leave. the police union in chicago estimates that the mandate will result in up to half of all chicago police officers coming off the streets. cnn's omar jimenez is live in chicago. this dispute between the mayor of chicago, loi lightfoot and the police union is headed to court. >> reporter: that's right. there's a court hearing ongoing right now. just a few moments ago, city lawyers argued that the head of the police union can't keep holding the city hostage. it's part of why they filed their court documents asking a judge to stop the head of this union from threatening a work stoppage because of this vaccine mandate. as you can imagine, the union disagrees and in this court hearing that i mentioned is
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ongoing, they said, well, because it's going to take a few days to verify who is in compliance with this mandate and who isn't there is no emergency of a work stoppage or threat of officers being off the job, at least this weekend and for the next few days. and they also allege in their own court documents that the mayor, the city and the chicago police superintendent acted unilaterally which goes against their collective bargaining agreement. the city disagrees. this all stems from the requirement for city employees to report their vaccination status by today. if they don't, they'd get placed on basically unpaid leave. so you either have to be vaccinated by today or opt into the twice weekly testing for covid that is an option for unvaccinated people through the end of the year. of course, as you mentioned earlier this week, the union head said that, according to him, he claimed up to 50% of officers would not comply with this. no way to corroborate those
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numbers. the mayor for now not worried about that happening. >> omar, what's the backup plan to keep chicago safe if half of the officers leave their jobs? >> well, again, for right now, the mayor doesn't seem to be too worried about that but wouldn't go into too many contingency plans. there are state policing resources they could lean into if necessary. it's going to take some time to verify who is in compliance and who isn't. we're looking at early next week when some of those numbers come in and we get an idea of how many chicago police officers are in compliance with the best way to keep the workspace safe. >> omar jimenez, thank you. let's talk to the mayor of chicago, mayor lightfoot. thanks for joining us. roughly 13,000 police officers on your chicago police force. chicago is the second largest police department in the country. how many of those 13,000 officers have disclosed their vaccination status as of today?
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>> well, we don't have final numbers yet but what we've been seeing throughout the week as the reality has sunk in is that we're seeing big leaps in compliance. but we won't have final numbers until, obviously, after midnight tonight. we'll be verifying those numbers over the course of the weekend and let folks know. but here's what i want to -- your listeners to be clear about. this is a manufactured crisis by the fraternal order of police. same guy that thought the 1/6er, were patriots. let's consider the source. the reality is the only way we can create a safe workplace, maximize that is by getting people vaccinated. and what we have asked our employees to do is two simple things. say yes or no as to whether or not you're vaccinated. if you say yes, then you upload your information. if you say no, then you either apply for an exemption or you opt for the testing. takes about two minutes of time
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to do that. so all this noise and hysteria is manufactured. our workers are going to be compliant. >> it may be manufactured. but i understand you don't have any final numbers but can you give us preliminary numbers? if there are 13,000 police officers and 10,000 have said yes, i'm vaccinated, then there really isn't a crisis, but we don't know. you say it's a manufactured crisis. it still may be a crisis if half of your officers walk off. >> but they're not going to walk off. we have told them very clearly you need to report for work. just as you would regularly do. you are expected to be at work on a shift today, tomorrow, sunday, monday, you have to report for work. if you don't show up for work that's a whole different issue. it has -- it will have significant consequences for them. but i'm confident that the vast majority of officers who work their tails off every single day, run to danger to protect us, are going to honor their oath and obligation. and their obligation is to do
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the right thing to show up, protect our residents and keep us safe and they're going to do that. the rest of it to me is just noise. as i said, a lot of times when you place deadlines whether it's sworn, civilian or any other context, people do it at the last minute and we're seeing increases. we'll release the information as soon as we have it. likely some time on monday. but i think we're going to see a very substantial compliance across the board with city workers. people understand that in order to protect themselves, their families and their city, their work colleagues, got to get vaccinated. pure and simple. >> we have a vaccine mandate here at cnn. i understand where you're coming from but i have to say, first of all, do you want police officers showing up if they're not vaccinated and have not disclosed whether or not they're vaccinated? that's okay? you want -- >> no, i want our police officers and our firefighters, all of our first responders to be safe. we lost four police officers
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last year to covid, all of whom died before the vaccine was available. i want our workers, regardless of whether they are civilian or sworn and i want our residents to be safe. the only way to maximize that safety is to get the vaccine. >> right. >> 97% of people who are sick and dying in our city are unvaccinated. >> 13,000 police officers. how many -- i understand it's a preliminary number, but how many of them have told you they're vaccinated. the deadline is coming up in just a few hours. is it more than 7,000? because the union head says he thinks at least half are going to be not in compliance. do you have numbers that prove he's wrong? >> that's precisely why we're going to court. this union leader, who is a discredited, disgraced police officer is trying to lead a lot of brave young men and women over a cliff without a parachute. he's huffing and huffing, but the fact of the matter is i feel confident. we're seeing the numbers rise.
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i don't have the immediate numbers at my fingertips. we'll release them in full transparency as soon as we have a final tally. but the fact of the matter is, i think the vast majority of police officers and employees across our city are going to comply because it's a very simple process. yes or no. are you vaccinated, are you not? >> i can't help but think if the number were over 7,000 you would tell me right now. >> well, now you're fishing and trying to get me to say something that i don't top say. if i was worried, i'd be the first to say. i feel we'll get maximum compliance. if we don't, we have contingency plans. i don't think anyone is going to risk their career because they don't want to say yes or no as to whether or not they're vaccinated. >> chicago mayor lori lightfoot, thank you. police officers in chicago, please get vaccinated. save your own life. save the lives of your family members. coming up -- a billboard that made visitors to times
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in our earth matters series today, if you think manmade climate change isn't something you have to worry about, maybe think again. look at the stunning images from the research organization climate central which show what could happen if nothing is done to stop rising temperatures which leads to rising sea levels. take the famous santa monica pier in california. it will become a water park in the middle of the pacific. hoboken will just become part of the hudson river. and then, of course, buckingham
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palace will become very secure because there will be a moat around it. literally. appearing to say all the talk and no action from leaders is, quote, irritating. our next guest is trying to get the world to pay attention to the failure of australian leaders to address the rises by raising over $150,000 to display this giant billboard in times square. it reads, "for a limited time come to australia to cuddle a koala before we make them instinct." the man behind that message is comedian and host of "irrational fear" dan illich. dan, thanks so much for joining us. how was your billboard in new york received? did you get any tweets or calls from local leaders? >> it's fun you should mention that, jake. at 9:45, the prime minister, scott morrison, had no plans to go to cop 26.
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by 2:45 p.m. he changed his mind. something happened between 9:45 and 2:45 p.m. it could have been the queen was disgruntled. or maybe it was a giant flaming koala in times square. >> we're showing the image right now of the kangaroo on fire. let me ask you, why use -- it's dark humor, but it's humor. but use humor? does it make it easier for politicians to dismiss your points by saying you're not taking climate change seriously or on the contrary, does humor grab people by the shirt collar and make them pay attention? >> jake, this isn't for the prime minister. all these billboards were for 1,800 people who wanted to feel better about australia's position on the international world stable. we are global pariahs when it
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comes to negotiating at these climate talks. we're literally the worst country. we're the third largest exporter of fossil fuels. we cheat, dissemble, and obfuscate our way through these climate talks every time they happen. as someone who's spent a lot of time during the paris talks trying to defend australia, i was so annoyed by our outcomes at paris. i just wanted to make a statement to the international community to say to everyone around the world that the australian government doesn't necessarily represent the views of australians. and they are so out of step. it's so amazing. it's appalling. a few months ago, a poll said 70% of australians want more to be done about climate change. our government went on holidays for five months and they put in
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a national covid-19 coordination committee to solve the problem. their solution was a gas pipeline. that's how they were going to solve the covid-19 problem. and that's when i realized, oh, hang on a second, maybe our government actually doesn't work for us. maybe they work for someone else. and it makes complete sense. currently, as of actually tomorrow, one of the big parties -- sorry, jake. >> we only have a little bit left. i want to ask you this last question, i know you're a podcaster so you could talk literally four hours straight, so apologies. but in recent years australia has seen historic droughts and devastating fires, it's hard to forget the illness of burnt koala bears with no food or water because the forests burned to the ground. i guess i just find it so surprising, given all the
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tragedy that has happened in australia at least partly because of man made climate change that your government is so unresponsive. >> jake, you're talking about a prime minister who at the height of these bush fires that ripped through australia in 2020 took a holiday to hawaii. this is a guy who always runs away from a national crisis. so at the moment, it took a billboard of a burning kangaroo to force him to go to glasgow. this is what we have to do in this country. we have to drag our leaders to lead us. we have to lead our leaders, because our leaders don't work for us, they work for the fossil fuel companies. >> good luck with your campaign and thank you so much. thanks to our mutual friend russ formal el for bringing it to our attention. hen he needs it. so ben is feeling pretty zen. that's the planning effect from fidelity
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in the national lead, an update to the deadliest high school shooting in u.s. industry. today we learned the parkland gunman intends to plead guilty. his attorney said in court 17 innocent people killed at marjorie stoneman douglas high school. a not guilty plea was previously entered on his behalf although he had confessed to police according to a probable cause affidavit. turning to "state of the union" on sunday, among our guests, secretary of transportation pete buttigieg, republican congressman adam kinzinger, and comedian jon stewart. until then, follow me on facebook, instagram, twitter, and on the tiktok. and a reminder, if you ever miss an episode of "the lead" you can
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