tv Don Lemon Tonight CNN October 14, 2021 8:00pm-9:00pm PDT
so here's our breaking news tonight, former president clinton being treated for a urinary tract infection which reportedly spread to his bloodstream. doctors say he's responding well to antibiotics and his vital signs are all stable. also tonight the house committee investigating the january 6 insurrection decided to take quick action against steve bannon for defying their subpoena. it's moving forward to hold the loyalist to the former president in criminal contempt. and a major victory tonight
for andrew mccabe. the former fbi deputy director fired by president trump for one of his political vendettas, his firing is reversed and he gets to keep his pension. joining hame now is cnn medical analyst jonathan reiner from george washington university hospital. also presidential historian douglas brinkley. gentlemen, good evening. doctor, of course i'm going to start with you. let's discuss the former president and his hospitalization in california tonight. urinary tract infection spreading to his bloodstream. can you tell us about his condition and how dangerous this is? >> good evening, don. it's been reported that he's doing well and his team is considering switching him from intravenous antibiotics to oral antibiotics perhaps as early as tomorrow.
so sepsis is an infection that has spread to the blood. a lot of things can do it. it's much more common as we get older and it's very common to have the urinary tract as a source. commonly the kidneys or the bladder. sometimes there's no underlying cause. sometimes there is. i suspect that the president's physicians both in california and new york will search for whether there's an underlying cause for the infection such as a kidney stone or an obstruction, you know, somewhere in the urinary tract that would set him up for infection. >> and the question, the potential danger of this, i know they're saying he's doing well, but this could be very serious. >> right. so there are almost 2 million cases of sepsis, this is called sepsis. and it kills about a quarter million americans a year. and it's a very common cause of
death in folks the former president's age. former president clinton i believe is 75 years old, which is not terribly hold in modern society. william shatner just went into space at 90. but as we get older, sepsis can kill you. and they're treating him in an icu, which may be for medical reasons or just may be for logistic reasons at uc irvine. >> you know, he had that quadruple bypass heart surgery in 2004, then had two stents inserted to open one artery, that was in 2010. no one understands heart problems more than you, that's what you do. does this complicate other health issues? >> it can. particularly the sicker you get. so the more advanced heart disease you have, and perhaps the more tenuous the blood supply to the heart is, these kinds of we call them insults, these kinds of stresses to the system can sometimes create, you
know, cardiopulmonary problems. but it sounds like the president's cardiac status is very stable. he was treated with antibiotics early enough that this didn't cause any kind of obvious change in his blood pressure. and this didn't get out of control. so, important information that we learned this evening. >> douglas brinkley, i'm going to bring you in, you've been here before with other presidents, one of the former presidents joking, i think it was a state dinner or something, and other issues where presidents have had to go to the hospital or be treated. clinton's doctors say he was in the icu for privacy and safety, not because he needs any intensive care. what other precautions are taken when a president or a former president is hospitalized? >> first off, don, godspeed to bill clinton here and he'll pull through this. he's a vegan, he's careful about what he eats.
i say that because his coronary problems, his heart problems, gave him a big scare, and that's why he dropped so much weight. this past year i've been in touch with him quite a bit. he wrote a novel with james patterson. he's deeply right now into trying to write "my life part 2." "my life" originally was his autobiography of his white house years, he's been trying to write the second one. he's been trying to get back to arkansas and spend some time. he holed up in chappaqua in 2019, not wanting to put himself at risk. with the exception of vernon jordan and john lewis' funerals, he's been homebound in new york. the fact that he's just starting to travel and try to get back to normal, out in california for an event, and have this hit him is unfortunate. but the good news is he's in a great hospital and he's gating great care, and i'm sure this is just a blip on the radar screen. we still have to have our
prayers with him and hope he pulls through and brings out that second volume of his mom war. >> douglas, he was hospitalized on tuesday and we're let these about it on thursday. who makes a call like this, is it clinton himself? >> yes. and -- exactly. and he's very cautious about his health, as i mentioned. he has his staff who probably said you have to get into the hospital. and urinary tract infections are quite common, but on the other hand, when you're 75 and something like this happens, you want to get the right medical attention. san gentja want to get the right medical attention. san genty gupta on cnn has done superb job explaining what's going on with the president tonight, don. so it helps other people realize that it's always best to get to the hospital. >> let me ask you something, maybe you didn't understand the question. who makes the call about when the public learns about something like this when it happens to a president or a former president?
was it bill clinton himself or -- >> bill clinton himself. and he has, you know, a couple of people. this is president clinton saying i have been to get in there. i'm sure hillary clinton is with him in southern california right now, and she's an incredible car taker of him as he's had to go through these ups and downs with his health the past decade. >> thank you, douglas. thank you are you dr. ryane er the reinert, thank you so much. elie honig, the january 6 select committee officially saying that they are moving to trump ally steve bannon in criminal contempt for refusing to comply with their subpoena. this is an uphill battle. how long could it take? >> that will be up to merrick garland. if the committee follows through, and they've made very clear they intend to, then it
will shift over to merrick garland to make the decision, does he charge the federal crime of contempt of congress. and a lot of people are asking that question. my question is, how can he not? when you look at the fact here, steve bannon has zero legitimate basis. he's saying executive privilege, he's saying attorney/client privilege. those things have no application to someone who is not an attorney and was not part of the executive branch. if merrick garland chooses not to charge this, where does that leave the committee, where does that leave congress, where does that leave our balance of powers, where does this leave the justice department? this is a moment of truth for merrick garland. >> we know the strategy of trump world is to delay at all costs, usually that's extending litigation. the m.o. was to sue people until they run out of resources or run out of time, they would run the clock out. is there anything more that the committee can do? >> so the committee, all they
can do is get this over to doj quickly on the criminal side, get it into the courts quickly on the civil side. and they can do both those things, by the way. they should, why not, they're both available. at that point, the people we need to be looking at are, again, merrick garland on the criminal side and judges, whatever judge in the district court in the district of columbia gets this case. look, judges can move as quickly as they want. i've had judges put what i thought were ridiculous time frames on me. "i need your brief in two weeks." i would think, i can't do that. you know what, as a lawyer, you do it. whatever judge draws these cases needs to get on this quickly, cannot tolerate delay. >> that's why they're called the judge. oh, i'm not done. run, i ron, i wanted to ask you something. let's talk about the politics of this, the stakes for 2020 here, because this whole investigation on the assault on our capitol could go away overnight depending on who is in charge, right? the midterms could play a huge role in this. >> right. as elie said, trump's strategy
not only as president but through his whole life has been not so much to try to win litigation, it's just to extend litigation and to kind of drown people in kind of being in court forever. so yes, i think it is critical here to reestablish the kind of validated and the teeth of congressional oversight which was completely traduced and kind of shredded under president trump. more and more republican officials and for that matter more and more republican voters in polling, essentially whitewashing what happened on january 6, trying to say it is no big deal. and thus making it easier for trump to envision coming back in 2024. the fact that is he actively considering running again in 2024 makes it i think even more essential that the public have a full understanding of what he did and didn't do on january 6.
and that is going to be a knock-down, drag-out fight in every way, political, legal, and otherwise. >> ron, i've got to get your take on cnn's reporting is that senators manchin and sinema made it clear to their colleagues that a deal on the infrastructure packages are far from being secured. with these two calling the shots, when will this ever be resolved? >> as we said before, it is a rubik's cube. they're trying to do so much in one bill, since it is their only way around the persistent obstruction of the filibuster. the conflicts become almost unending. synm sinema doesn't want medicare negotiations over prescription drugs.
manchin is okay with it. the question is whether manchin and and sinema are okay with bringing down their party. there are many examples through history of a party passing its agenda but still having a bad midterm. but i think it's fair to say failing to pass the legislation would increase the odds of a bad midterm. voting rights chuck schumer said is going to be coming up next week and they are deciding whether they will allow republican obstruction to basically run the congress from a minority position. and the stakes could not be higher on both of these questions. the reconciliation bill and the voting rights bill that's coming up next week. >> i've got another question for you, ron. senator mark warner of virginia is practically begging for the president to get the house to vote on physical infrastructure bill. listen to this. >> i think the president ought
to tell the house that we ought to deliver on the infrastructure bill. we're 19 days away from election in virginia. the president's got a huge win sitting out there on a once in 50 years infrastructure plan. let's make it the law of the land. >> shouldn't democrats be trying to help out their candidate in virginia, terry mcauliffe, and give him a win to run on? >> you know, i think they would if they had more confidence in the good faith of manchin and sinema, right? the problem is what senator warner is saying is, it's not clear that this bill could pass the house today, because progressives simply -- the progressives in the house simply do not believe that manchin and sinema will negotiate in good faith once this thing they care an awful lot about is taken off the table. as i said, it's a rubik's cube. certainly passing the infrastructure bill would be some benefit to terry mcauliffe in the governor's race, although
he is above 50% in the polls, biden has come up a little bit in the state. yes, it would help him. but i don't think it's a viable option, whatever people want, because the progressives in the house simply do not have enough trust that manchin and sinema are being good faith actors in trying to negotiate this out. >> thank you, generats, appreci it. a big win for the former deputy director of the fbi tonight. andrew mccabe is here to talk about it. he's next. so at&t is giving everyone our best deals on every iphone including the iphone 13 pro with its amazing camera. like everyone that worked from home. learned a new hobby... or welcomed a new family member. they were all out of dogs. so... our deals are for everyone! it's not complicated. at&t is giving new and existing customers our best deals on every iphone, including the epic iphone 13 pro on us.
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administration just hours before his retirement three years ago. now mccabe gets his pension, full law enforcement benefits, and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees. he filed the suit arguing that he was fired because of his years-long public vendetta by former president trump. joining me now, the man himself, andrew mccabe, now a cnn senior law enforcement analyst and the author of "the threat: how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump." andrew, good evening. did i get it all right? >> you did, don, thank you. >> it's good to see you. i'm so glad this weight is off your shoulder. one would assume. we'll find out in the course of this interview. this is a big deal. how are you feeling? >> you know, it's hard to describe, don. it's -- on the one hand it's incredibly satisfying. it is a great result for my family and it is a total vindication from three years of
v a very, very tough situation. but it's also kind of bittersweet because on the other hand, as this settlement makes clear, this should never have happened. and to, you know, acknowledge the fact that we have gone through all of this for nothing is a little bit tough. but i'm trying to put that behind me and just focus on the positive. >> well, the thing is, what people don't realize is that the -- you know, they tried to destroy you, right? and this not only affects you. it affects your family, it affects your wife, your kids, those close you to, your parents, and on and on, for something, the sleepless nights, i'm sure, and all the other issues you had to deal with, the financial aspect of it, for something that did not have to happen just because people were out to destroy you. this is a trump tactic, this is a trump supporter tactic, this is a trump acolyte tactic. and it's something that he has injected into the culture. >> yeah, that's absolutely right. i mean, look, it's been incredibly tough for us and
tough on my family and my wife and my parents. but look, americans go through tough things every day, right? 700,000 of us died in the last year and a half. and god willing, i am still incredibly lucky that didn't happen to us. but it is, on the bigger picture, it points out the corrosive effect that this unrelenting political assault on the institutions of our government and on the people, the human beings who do this work every day, this is the result of that. people go through hell. and it undermines their confidence and their understanding of what they're here to do and who -- you know, their oath they pledged to the constitution. they deserve the respect and the assurance that they will be treated according to the law and according to fairness and the processes that are in place.
so i really feel like the settlement in some ways is about the rule of law and about returning respect to that rule of law. and i have to say, my hat's office to the garland doj administration and the senior leadership in doj now for having the courage to step up to this and to right the wrong. >> at the time, the doj then justified your firing with the department's inspector general report that said you lied repeatedly regarding a leak about hillary clinton's use of a private email server. almost two years later federal prosecutors decided not to charge you. so -- and listen, this was a narrative that was repeated over and over and over, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. and i'm sure some people believed that about you. i'm sure you had to turn on the news, read it on social media, about this whole narrative that was not true about you. and so explain that to me, now they've decided not to charge you. >> well, i mean, this was all part of the plan, right?
the president demanded that i be fired. and the attorney general, jeff sessions, probably concerned about getting fired himself, went along with it. and the inspector general, michael horowitz, delivered a report that was half-baked, that was rushed, truncated, a report that ignored exculpatory evidence. and that was a part of this operation. they delivered that to the fbi and the fbi initially said, oh, no, there's not possibly enough time to get this done before he retires. and then lo and behold, they got it done before i retired. so the president applied the pressure and the system bent. and i think that's such an incredibly damning result. and that's -- you know, that's how the former administration worked. but when you know you're right, when the results were wrong from the very beginning, i've said
from day one i never misrepresented anything intentionally to anyone. i made a mistake in two interviews, and then immediately corrected that with the people that i had talked to, but they ignored that. then they pursued a vindictive criminal prosecution, you know, what for? for the purpose of propping up the result that he had already delivered? it's outrageous to think that our own justice department and our criminal justice system could be used for those political purposes. but that's what happened here. >> andrew, thank you. i appreciate it. regards to your family. thank you very much. >> thanks, brother. a former republican governor is calling for voters to elect democrats. is that the way to save democracy from the big lie? if she can retire sooner, ws she'll revisit her plan with fidelity. and with a scenario that makes it a possibility, she'll enjoy her dream right now. that's the planning effect, from fidelity.
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branded a deserter. what's your reaction to this? it's an outrageous message coming from your party. >> it really is. all it does is speak to the fact that they're struggling, that the trump brand is finally wearing thin with a majority of the american people, which is why their renew america movement is gaining such interest. when we talk about the fact that we need to start to support those candidates who are pushing back against the big lie, those representatives who have had the courage to stand up, whether they be republican or democrat, that republicans have to think about voting for a democrat if their choice is a radical right republican or a centrist democrat. and democrats need to this about voting for a republican if their choices are between a far left democrat and a centrist republican because we need to get people back in the center who make sense. this is ridiculous. we're getting to a point where we're acting like a third world country and that kind of tactic, you're going to be a traitor if
you don't give more money, it's just outrageous, it really is. >> you have been critical of the party and the former president. in a piece for "the new york times" with miles taylor, what you write in part. you said, the best hope for the rational remnants of the republican party is for us to form an alliance with democrats to defend american institutions, defeat far right candidates and elect honorable representatives next year including a strong contingent of moderate democrats. you just conveyed similar sentiment in the statement in your answer before. but you're not talking about just supporting democrats. you lay out a goal to prevent the gop from taking the house in 2022. >> yes, we do, because we don't think that kevin mccarthy -- if the republicans get the house back, that kevin mccarthy is going to stand up to trump. he's already shown that he's an acolyte. and i'm afraid with the candidates, if we can't get some sensible republican candidates through primaries, right now
we've published a list of those who are incumbents who need support, and who should get support, we think we can make a difference on both sides of the aisle. we'll be doing it again for challengers. but if the republicans win with the kinds of marjorie taylor greene type of representatives, we know where kevin mccarthy is going to go with that, and they don't deserve to be able to control that branch of government. they don't deserve to be in government, frankly. when you're somebody who keeps talking about these outrageous conspiracy theories. and the thing that's so worrying is that this challenge for the 2020 election which was free, fair, safe, and accurate, and over 60 court cases heard by judges, even some appointed by trump, who have said there is no "there" there, there was no large amount of -- you know, of -- >> fraud. >> -- playing with ballots. there was no fraud. it just wasn't there. still, they do that. that is to set up an ability to
question the results in 2022 or 2024 if they don't like the outcome. and that's just not what we are. elections are hard-fought and people care a lot, i get that, i've been through them. and i've lost some and won some, most. but if you lose, you concede and you move on. that's the way we do it in our democracy. this group, they're acolytes. it's not a party anymore. >> i hope that the members of your party, and i hope the democrats are listening to you as well. i encourage everyone to read the piece in "the new york times" with miles taylor. governor christine todd whitman, we appreciate you joining us. thank you so much. >> thank you, don. today would have been george floyd's 48th birthday. his brother is here to talk about his legacy and he has a message for lawmakers in washington. fidelity income planning. we look at what you've saved, what you'll need, and help you build a flexible plan for cash flow that lasts, even when you're not working,
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tonight in minneapolis, a birthday celebration in george floyd square. locals gathering there to honor george floyd. he would have been 48 years old today. here to talk about what it meant to his family, his friends, and the world, george floyd's brother and family attorney benjamin crump. thank you for joining us tonight. this is your second year without
your brother on his birthday. what are you thinking about today? >> i'm just thinking about how much i miss my brother and how i had to explain to his daughter about him, you know, being murdered every day, because she sees the same thing everybody cease around the world. george was suffocated. he couldn't breathe. mr. chauvin continued to leave his knee on his neck for over nine minutes. and the fact that this is not a mistake, this is a pattern, because things are constantly happening over and over again, people are being murdered by police officers, it's a shame. my family, every day we wonder why we have an empty chair at the table. we just wonder why george had to be taken away. we can't deal with it. but we're trying to stay focused as hard as we can and we're going to keep fighting. >> ben, you've spent a lot of time with the family.
and this case has consumed your life, it's become a part of your life in the last year or more, almost two years. what are you thinking about today? >> well, we're thinking about his legacy and the george floyd justice and policing act, don. the fact that the senate failed to act, that we want to continue to encourage president biden to do what he can, use all the resources within his office, to make sure that we can pass some law or executive order to prevent the needless death of people, especially black people, in the legacy of george floyd. the at least we can do is try to give his legacy some substance. >> philonise, weeks ago we learned the bill was not going to pass. how is that affecting you?
>> it's really -- it was disgusting for me to hear that. i'm just tired. i went back and forth countless times, being able to speak with members of congress, officials. and it's like nothing is happening. right now we need all the democrats to come to the floor to be able to make this -- and the republicans, because we have to have this george floyd policing act passed. people are being killed every day. people are being killed by brutal force. and they're defenseless people. we need time to make change, to help others. and they all need to understand that people's lives matter, because don, i'm going to tell you this, and i tell you this all the time. if you can make federal laws to protect a bird, which is the bald eagle, you can make federal laws to protect people of color.
you have to make laws for the people, the people with no voices. give us a chance. give people who want to be able to walk with their families. it's hell, don, having to anticipate death any time you get in a vehicle. and you know that you have a chance of not even being able to make it home. >> what is your message to the people in washington? >> we all need -- they all need to step up and put this george floyd policing act back up there. because all these families, we're all disgusted right now. we're worried about our kids. we're worried about people we don't even know, because we know they need to pass this george floyd policing act. the number one thing is we all got behind biden and his administration, we all voted
them in because we knew they should be able to make change, we all see how it was with no humanity. we all know that biden has power but he has humanity. so he needs to step up and make change. >> ben, i want to get your thoughts, because i hear you agreeing and i see you shaking your head to what he's saying, that the state of texas board of paroles and parolees recommending a posthumous pardon of george for a 2004 drug conviction. but now it's all in the governor's hands. what do you expect is going to happen? >> you expect him to sign the bill if he has an ounce of decency within him. the fact that it has been proven that the police was corrupt and had put false evidence on several black people, and george floyd was one of them. so if you want to do right and honor the legacy of george floyd in the name of justice, governor
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tonight a standoff in chicago between the mayor and the police union that could potentially lead to fewer officers on the street. here is cnn's omar jimenez. >> our expectation is that people will comply. >> reporter: chicago mayor lori lightfoot is doubling down. >> it's pretty straightforward. are you vaccinated or not. if you are, you upload your information. if you're not, then you go to a separate page and you indicate that and that you'll be taking the testing option. >> reporter: at the center of it all is the city's requirement to disclose vaccine status by friday. city employees, including police officers, who don't comply, would be placed on unpaid leave. >> do not fill out the portal information. >> reporter: the president of the police union claimed this
week without corroboration it could lead to a police force at 50% or less this weekend, now telling officers to refuse direct orders on the mandate from police leadership and even record it on body camera. >> the leadership is so ridiculously poor at the top of this department who are not pushing back on doing whatever she tells them to do. >> leadership at the chicago police department called the policy mandatory. >> i know the residents and businesses have expressed --s that the department will not be properly staffed heading into the weekend. i can assure you that this is not true. chicago police department will be fully staffed and ready to protect the citizens of the city. >> reporter: on vaccinations, employees who are not fully vaccinated by october 15th including employees who are received an approved medical or religious 'exemption, must undergo testing until the end of the year. this standoff comes after all four chicago police officers who
died in the line of duty in 2020 died because of covid. even the previous chicago police union president died of covid earlier this month. but shootings are up 11% compared to last year and up almost 70 compared to the year before. leaving no room for a shortage of officers heading into the weekend when violence typically surges. in a letter to mayor lightfoot, two city aldermen are urging her to drop the mandate. we could lose officers if they get sick from covid-19 or we could confront a further unraveling of violence on our streets if officers decide not to work because of this mandate. for now, we are asking you to reconsider. the mayor not backing down. >> our goal is to create a safe workplace and the best way that we can do that, the biggest tool that we have, is by getting people fully vaccinated. >> reporter: omar jimenez, cnn, chicago. >> omar, thank you so much for that, appreciate it. vaccine hesitancy among officers
is a nationwide issue. let's bring in the chief -- >> good evening, don. >> i just have to be honest, during the commercial break, we found out we grew up blocks away from each other in the same hometown and our families know each other very well, so, it's good to see you. i wish we could be talking under better circumstances. i know most of the force there hesitated to get vaccinated and then one of your own died, right? so, what can you tell us about lieutenant laamarcus dunn? >> yes, don, and thank you for having me don. lieutenant dunn, we lost him on august 13th. he was a veteran of this police department. he was a product of a loving and caring community. he lost his father at a very young age and it was a village that raised him and when you talk about an outstanding officer, an outstanding citizen,
an outstanding person that always gave back, it struck us, it was a big void, in this department to lose an outstanding officer like that. but i tell you this, don, although we did have some that were reluctant to be vaccinated, i think that was an eye opener for everybody, because when it boils down to it, don, we're all about not losing anybody. and nobody wants to go through what the baker police department went through because of covid-19. >> yeah, you -- because i think 70% of the police force, you estimated, but unvaccinated until lieutenant dunn died. now it's less than 15% and that's because it hit home, right? >> well, don, because of an internal poll that i conducted in the last two days, i've only got 5% now that's -- i got 95% vaccinated, don, and i feel so much better about it now. >> yeah. the -- the officer dunn memorial page estimates more than 460 officers have died from covid since the start of this
pandemic. coronavirus is the most common cause of duty-related deaths in the last two years and it's not just baker, louisiana, there's a resistance, although now in baker, you said you've got 95%, there's a resistance to vaccines in police forces all across this country. why is that the case, chief? why do you think? >> well, don, it's a number of issues, but the point i try to get across is, this pandemic , t super cedes any kind of political beliefs, anything that makes you to be reluctant to get vaccinated to make it a safe environment for your work environment, a safe environment as far as contracting the disease and bringing it home to your wife and kids and what we don't want to do, don, is we go from business to business, residence to residence. we will be the last people on this earth that would actually
participate in the spreading of something as horrible as this covid-19 virus that we're going through right now. that's not what we want to do. that's not what we're about. we're about being safe and making it safe at all times for anybody and everybody we come in contact with. >> well, listen, i -- i'm so proud of you. the first black chief in baker, louisiana, and i kept saying, i know that name -- i'm so proud of you, carl dunn. appreciate your success and say hello to your family. >> yes, sir, i will. thank you, don. >> you be well. >> yes, sir. good night. >> and thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. y our fi. bill, mary? hey... it's our former broker carl. carl, say hi to nina, our schwab financial consultant. hm... i know how difficult these calls can be. not with schwab. nina made it easier to set up our financial plan. we can check in on it anytime. it changes when our goals change. planning can't be that easy. actually, it can be, carl.
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good evening. there is breaking news tonight about the right of a great harm. andrew mccabe who was fired cruelly to the glee of the former president just hours before his retirement has been totally vindicated. he'll speak about it for the first time in just a few moments. we begin though tonight in a similar vein with a picture of contempt in many forms. contempt for congress and the responsibility we grant it to investigate matters of national importance. contempt for the law and contempt for democracy, which took a blow when the building you see there was attacked. we got another reminder of it late today. newly revealed video of the br brutal assault on michael fanone, d.c. police officer who you'll see highlighted. he's dragged out of the building by the mob and the usual warnings apply that some might want to look away for a few moments.