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i'm not against them protesting on public property, which is the sidewalk. however, i'm just against them terrorizing me and threatening me. and i think it's the most useless and silly form of trying to motivate me and any elected official. to be perfectly honest with you, it doesn't work. it doesn't motivate me. it never encourages me to do anything they want me to do. it only has me put my feet stronger on the ground and stand up for the convictions that i have. . >> jennifer, real quick, before i let you go, they shouldn't be allowed to stalk or harass you. that is against the law. are you getting help from police and authorities? . >> i am. the satellite beach department is right on the block that i live on. and they have been really good lately when it comes to these threats that have been happening to me, as well as the brevard county sheriff's office that is linked with our district security. they have been very, very
supportive, along with the florida department of law enforcement. >> all right. jennifer, thank you for being with us this morning. . >> thank you. . >> we wish you the best. be safe. . >> thank you so much. >> "new day" continues. welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. it is thursday, october 14th. i'm john berman with brianna keilar. in the next few hours, showdown. the witnesses have been subpoenaed. now will they show up? and if not, then what? we're about to find out how the january 6th select committee plans to deal with donald trump's former aides if they fail to comply with subpoenas. kash patel and steve bannon have been called for depositions today. trump has been urging his loyalists to ignore the subpoenas. bannon's lawyer confirmed overnight he will defy the order. lawmakers say they are prepared to pursue criminal charges for noncompliant witnesses. >> in the meantime, a new subpoena has been issued for ex justice department official jeffrey clark.
you may recall it was clark who drafted that letter falsely claiming that the doj found voting irregularities in georgia. the january 6th select committee met for eight hours yesterday with the man that clark wanted to sign that letter. the former acting attorney general jeff rosen. and former president trump trying to block the release of documents from the national archives and the clock here is ticking. laura jarrett is with us on this story. laura, what are you expecting to see today? >> guys, the big question this morning is whether anyone shows up. house investigators end up sitting in a room alone. the committee scheduled two depositions for today and two for friday. up first, kash patel. he was trump's defense secretary and is engaging with the january 6th committee. but no word whether he will actually turn up on the hill today. and then former trump adviser steve bannon. he is stonewalling the committee on documents and already said he will be a no-show today. in a statement last night, bannon's attorney said his
client isn't participating because trump told him not to, citing executive privilege. bannon, you'll recall, was fired back in 2017, so he wasn't even part of the executive branch on january 6th, making any assertions of privilege about his talks with trump legally dubious at best. as for what happens if witnesses don't show, one member of this committee says there will be swift consequences. >> we're not willing to allow them to play rope-a-dope in the civil courts that way. that is why we will go straight to criminal contempt and expect the justice department, unlike the last one, to uphold the principle that no one is above the law. no one gets to say, i'm not going to comply with the subpoena because i don't want to and there's nothing you can do about it. in fact, there is something that can be done about it. they can be prosecuted and go to jail about it. . >> they are looking to compel testimony any way they can. as for the friday witnesses, we know the former chief of staff mark meadows is also in talks with the select committee.
but dan scavino, the man behind so many of trump's tweets was mia for more than a week. they found someone to accept the subpoena on his behalf down at mar-a-lago. bottom line, guys, very unclear whether meadows or scavino show up today or tomorrow. . >> so those are the folks who they may not be talking to. who are the witnesses to go ahead? . >> we learned that the house has subpoenaed former doj official jeffrey clark. now, you'll remember he was the lawyer so eager to please trump that he drafted this bogus letter no lawyer in their right mind would sign. it was never sent. it was to delay certifying election results by falsely suggesting voter fraud had taken place. clark recommended holding a press conference at the justice department to announce that doj was investigating allegations of voter fraud, even though there was no evidence of that at all.
now, thankfully no one agreed to go along with clark's miss guided scheme. trump was intrigued by clark's ideas. for a time, he wanted to make him acting attorney general in place of jeffrey rosen. rosen got on trump's bad side because he refused to use the justice department to amplify trump's big lie. and we have now learned that the committee spoke with rosen for about eight hours wednesday. i can only imagine what he said. so the committee wants to speak to jeffrey clark. they want him to get in for a deposition october 29th. one person familiar with the talks said the subpoena may make it more likely that clark will actually testify. he could try to refuse here, guys, but he will then almost certainly face contempt proceedings. since people have already testified about him, his options are pretty limited. >> very interesting. so much to develop here. we will keep an eye on it. la laura, thanks. sure. were toer counsel alberto gonzales. thank you so much for being with
us. the current attorney general may soon have a key decision to make, merrick garland. if there is a criminal contempt referral, if these guys are 6th to show up, comply with subpoenas and congress there's a criminal referral, if you were attorney general, would you pursue charges? . >> well, i'd have to know a lot of information. a lot of things to weigh here, john, quite frankly. obviously, it's important to ensure that criminal statutes are enforced. that's the job of the department of justice. and there is a criminal statute that makes it a crime not to comply with a congressional subpoena. my sense is that general garland is fairly measured in his approach to the job. he may look to see whether or not congress would exercise other options. for example, there is a practice that hasn't been done since in
modern times. civil judgment route where you go to court and obtain a civil judgment against someone who defies a subpoena. he may look to see have all other options been exercised. on the other hand, what is weighing here i think will be equally important is the reason why the compliance with the subpoena is so important and that is in relation to an investigation about events that happened january 6th which is an insurrection, attack on our democracy. and so a.g. garland will weigh these factors and make a decision as to whether or not to pursue criminal contempt. but, you know, this is a big decision. and it's one that i'm sure he will approach very carefully. >> how important is the investigation, do you think? >> oh, i think the investigation is extremely important.
and i think one recent and key evidence of that is the failure by the president to exercise executive privilege. executive privilege is not absolute privilege. it's a qualified privilege. there are competing interests at stake here. one is the ability to receive unvarnished advice from his advisers. and what is the need for the information. in this case president biden made a determination that the need is compelling. the need is great. to get information about possible criminal prosecution in relation to activities that occurred on january 6th insurrection, the assault on our democracy. and so i think that's a pretty strong signal to the attorney general. the attorney general will consider that very seriously. >> do you think meece right? do you think biden is right in this case that executive privilege should not cover the discussions that the former president had potentially about trying to overturn the election? >> again, i think it's a judgment call, weighing equities
here. and i think in this particular case, i think the equities are in favor of disclosing this information, making this information available. executive privilege cannot be used to hide wrongdoing. and if there's no other way to get the information necessary to move forward on a prosecution of criminal wrongdoing, then executive privilege didn't exist. i think in this particular case, i think if i were advising the president i would make the recommendation that the executive privilege would not be honored, recognized in a court of law. . >> that is what has been advised to the current president. i want to go back at this one more time here here. putting you in the justice department right now f. people stopped paying attention to subpoenas, what is the point of having congressional subpoenas? >> that is a very good question.
of course there are other ways to get the subpoenas honored. what merrick garland is weighing, does it make sense to wait and see whether or not, by pursuing other routes, congress will get the information it needs in connection with this inquiry. on the other hand, i think it's been, you know, going the civil route is going to take a long period of time. we haven't had the sergeant at arms go out and arrest someone in order to enforce a subpoena in modern times. and so merrick garland may very well decide there is no other way to ensure the congressional subpoenas are honored. you're right, what is the point of issuing congressional subpoenas if they're not going to be honored oren forced. in this case the justice may make the decision this is the one instance whether there is a compelling need to make sure the congressional subpoenas are in fact, respected and enforced. >> yes or no, are you glad this is not your decision to make? >> well, it's just part of the job, quite frankly, john.
there are tough decisions all the time when you're attorney general of the united states. you know that when you accept the nomination. that is your duty and your obligation once you're confirmed as attorney general. >> i want to very quickly ask you about republicans like steve scalise who refused to say the election was not stolen. liz cheney, congresswoman from wyoming says millions of americans have been sold a fraud that the election was stolen. they have the duty to tell people this is not true. perpetuating the big lie is an attack on the core of our constitutional republic. your view on that? >> i would ask the congressman, what's the evidence of that. as a lawyer, we're trained to present evidence, make arguments based upon evidence. and so let's see the evidence. and if there is evidence, why hasn't it produced in court and publicly? so i respect the congressman.
but, again, in taking that position, i think he has an obligation to the american people serving in a leadership role to provide the evidence if he's going to make that kind of assertion. >> alberto gonzales, i appreciate you being with us this morning. >> thank you, john. we are learning about a pivotal role in pushing the election claims. this trump lawyer is quite frankly a liar. >> that's right. she's not someone that is well-known, like you said. but she is a long time conservator lawyer that was pulled into trump's inner circle the day after election day. and a newly released senate report recommends that the january 6th committee look deeper into her role in the lead up to the insurrection. >> the system that we witnessed in 2020 was not right. >> she is not a household name.
>> they don't want us talking on social media about election fraud. >> but the lawyer is emerging as a key player in former president trump's attempt to overturn the 2020 election. >> and i want to thank you. you are a hell of a lawyer and tough. that's what we need. >> named multiple times in a newly released senate judiciary report on the department of justice to investigate unfounded claims of election fraud. on december 30th, the report says she emailed then white house chief of staff mark meadows. this is the petition filed in georgia state court and the press released issued about it, she writes, i presume the doj would want all the exhibits. it was forwarded to jeffrey rosen asking, can you have your team look into these allegations of wrongdoing. only the alleged fraudulent activity. mitchell made headlines earlier this year >> there are roughly 18,000 ballots. we >> tony: that. . >> it was 18,000 ballots.
but they used each one three times. >> when her voice was heard assisting trump on the now in famous phone call with brad raffensperger. >> i just want to find 11,780 votes. >> her involvement with trump came as a surprise to many, including her law firm. and ultimately led to her swift departure. . >> thank you very much. . >> mitchell was first pulled in 24 hours after election day as she recounts in a little noticed podcast viewed by cnn. . >> i got a call from mark meadows. i flew to atlanta. and thus began my involvement with the post-election. >> three days later, on the day that joe biden's victory was projected, she was on national tv arguing otherwise. >> just because cnn or even fox news says somebody is president doesn't make them president. >> and she became involved with
helping to fund the arizona audit in the 2020 election. >> he was certified as the winner in florida by the proper procedures established -- >> for years, mitchell has been well-known in conservative circles. operating behind the scenes as one of the right wing's most prominent lawyers focusing on voter fraud. >> welcome to the vast right wing conspiracy annual gathering. >> steve bannon, national rifle association, senator demint, and a decade ago, donald trump, representing him in 2011 against accusations that his exploratory violated election laws. >> beyond an attorney, a great attorney, okay. >> mitchell first started in politics as a democrat in the oklahoma state legislature in the 70s and 80s. in the 90s, she became an independent, then a republican.
she is still in regular contact with trump, vowing the fight that started in 2020 will continue. . >> we're going to take the election offices back. and he with need you to help us. >> and right now mitchell is behind new efforts pushing for tighter state voting laws. she has been advising state republican lawmakers as well. brianna, she would not speak with cnn for this story. >> sunlen, great report. thank you so much for sharing that with us. walgreens across the country actually closing their doors because of scenes like this, criminals opening store shelves in broad daylight in a multimillion dollar theft ring. . >> dr. tkpaoup ta sits down for a fascinating interview with joe rogan. you'll hear what sanjay has to say about this advice. >> i think it would be get the virus and recover and have amazing immunity. >> i think you should get
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medicine. in reality, it's a warehouse full of stolen goods. >> what you are looking at is not petty shoplifting. what you are looking at is an organized criminal ring. >> reporter: law enforcement making this bust last year in san mateo, california, just outside san francisco. these videos offering a glimpse inside the sophistication of organized shoplifting rings. san franciscan epicenter. so much so walgreens said it will soon close five of its stores here. that, in addition to the 17 stores the retailer had previously shuttered in the past few years. >> this is a real blow to san francisco. it's a blow to the merchants, to our reputation as a city. >> reporter: it begins with something like this. a thief hurriedly grabbing items off store shelves. this viral video captured at a san francisco walgreens in plain view of a security guard. >> you have street level thieves selling to boosters, who are selling to larger syndicates,
who are building million dollar businesses selling stolen product. it is not something limited to san francisco. it's happening all over the country. san francisco is a focal point now. >> reporter: jason brewer says the stolen goods wind up being sold online. . >> we have allowed criminal networks to create a business model selling stolen goods online. >> i'm really sad that the situation in san francisco is driving businesses away. >> reporter: this walgreens shopper deeply sadened to see her neighborhood store shutdown but understands the decision. >> if the businesses lose money, why should they stay open? they're in business to make money. >> reporter: they added foot patrols in known hot zones. . >> our police department is working really hard to make sure that people are apprehended and held accountable for these crimes. >> reporter: and mayor breed
says criminals are only hurting people in their own neighborhoods. >> when they do this it impacts their family members, their grandmothers who can't get their medicine at their pharmacies or resources they need to take care of their health and well-being. >> reporter: experts say the key to tackling this problem is to really prevent these goods from appearing online in the first place. a bill making its way through congress could help in that regard. the informed consumers act. it would require third-party vendors to be vetted by the marketplace. this is a very complicated situation. once again, so sad for these neighborhoods to be losing their corner pharmacies. >> dan simon, thanks so much. we have breaking news. 10,000 union workers going on strike this morning against john deere as the nation confronts a supply chain nightmare. plus, hear joe rogan's
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covid, would you have wished that you had been vaccinated? >> no. >> -- beforehand. you almost got vaccinated. you got through it. >> but i got through covid pretty quickly. so that was my -- my thought was i'm a healthy person. i exercise constantly. i'm always taking vitamins. i take care of myself. i felt like i was going to be okay, and it was true. it was correct. i'm happy i got through it. i don't wish it upon anyone. it wasn't fun. but it wasn't the worst cold i have ever had. and i got over it fairly quickly, relatively speaking. >> again, i am truly glad about that. all kidding aside, i don't think anybody -- everyone wants you to be well and healthy. but i think the question is in terms of the nuance of this. it is not a strategy recommending anybody get infected. >> i think a lot of people should get vaccinated.
. >> you're talking a lot of vulnerable people. >> older people, fat people. i think a lot of those folks. my real concern is this urge to vaccinate children. and i don't know what kind of data we have on the long-term effects of this. >> all right. with us now sanjay. sanjay, first off, i'm so glad you did this. there are so many people who can listen to the sense that you make. tell us why you thought this was so important. >> yeah. that's part of it. the media landscape is pretty segmented as we know. there are a lot of people who listen on cnn who are accepting and hearing these messages and understanding the science. but i wanted to go to a place where clearly he has a big audience. as you mentioned, he's been a skeptic of the vaccines. i listened to his podcast. i thought there could be some common ground and decided to lean into the nuance for three
hours, which is a long time to talk to anybody. no breaks, no distractions, no phones for three hours. but that's how you get at some of these real. >> we would talk to you for three hours but they would wrap us. you heard him talking about vaccines and kids there. here's the exchange on that. . >> mayo carditis can be. >> it's inflammation of the heart. that's what it is. you have to think of it like that. it can happen in anybody. but people who have robust immune response, you're basically giving the vaccine and you're counting on the immune system to really respond to that. if it responds a lot, someone has a healthy immune system, it can cause more widespreaden tphraplation. people feel miserable for a day or two. >> do we know what the long term
consequences of my carditis. the only way we can know long-term stuff is with the passage of time. >> it is terrifying for parents. >> it is. >> most likely he would have been fine if he not covid and your kid could have permanent heart problems. >> well, i don't know that we can say i person will be fine if they get covid, joe. >> a young boy? >> when you say fine, you mean they are not going to die. >> me, i had covid. >> you look like you're as strong as an ox. but you have teenagers who will have these long covid naps. . >> what does that mean? >> they're tired all the time. they get these long hauler type symptoms. less so in kids.
but when you talk about 33% of persistent symptoms that last months. we measure things in terms of life and death. i get that. it's easy. it's public health. that's the way the numbers get presented. frankly, that's our fault as well in the media to say this is how many people have died. we don't know a lot about what this virus does to the body. we probably shouldn't think of it as another type of pneumonia or cold because it is doing something else. it wouldn't cause isolated loss of smell. flu wouldn't even do that. and people are developing long-term symptoms. >> that's a lot there. trying to herd cats, sanjay. he shoots off all all these different tangents. myelcarditis, inflammation around the heart, we know the risk of covid causing that, don't we? >> that's the thing. therein lies the nuance again. it is a fair question to bring
up the idea of the side effects. but you have to compare this to the risk from the disease itself. let me show you. i think this was the data that joe was talking about. although it's tough sometimes to keep up. but overall, if you look and say there's a background rate of mayo carditis with the vaccines, how many more additional cases, about 2.7 as you can see there. it resolved. people were fine. they didn't require further treatment. this is the whole point. the numbers on the screen is the whole point. you want to try and obviously reduce risk of any of these things while really emphasizing the benefits the vaccines offer lots of benefits. and actually have a lower risk
of myocarditis. >> he seems to go back time and again to this idea that maybe getting covid is better than getting the vaccine. i heard that repeatedly. here's some of what he said. >> testing is obviously testing you to see if you have the virus. >> yeah. >> the therapeutic is to treat you because you have the virus. >> yes. . >> i think it would be better to not get the virus. >> i think it would be great to get the virus and have amazing immunity to it. >> you could get very sick. . >> i think you should get vaccinated and then get the sick. >> what? >> it protects you from the bad infection. then you get covid. so you get the robust immunity imparted from having the actual disease itself, which is for more complex and comprehensive than you get from the vaccine that targets one specific protein, right? >> you can make that argument, i think. >> that's the move. get vaccinated. let it wane and hang around with
a bunch of dirty people. then get a lot of therapeutics on hand. . >> i will see your recommendation and give you --. >> you should have come out with us last night. you probably would have caught it. >> now i know what your secret plan was. . >> no. >> so for you, joe rogan. >> yes. >> i would say you've had it. >> now get one shot of the vaccine. >> no. >> why not? . >> because i have better immunity than i would if i were vaccinated. >> but does he, sanjay? also, he's not a doctor. he is sure talking as if he is one, though. >> by the way, it was three hours of that, just to give you an idea. it was three hours of mental gymnastics. people who have been infected do have natural immunity. there was a study out of israel that got a lot of attention that basically showed, at least for a period of time, their immunity was stronger than those who had
received the vaccine. theres a problem, though. one is we don't know how long that immunity lasts. people are trying to investigate that. and one of the studies that has come out showed people who had natural immunity versus vaccinated immunity, those with natural immunity were twice as likely to get reinfected. this is the data. we know what the vaccine now from the clinical trials and real world data, 6 billion shots being given out around the world, it is a safe and effective vaccine. so infection over vaccination should never be the message, no. people should not go out and willingly get infected in pursuit of this natural immunity. that is a terrible strategy. i think joe understood that. at the end, he was advocating i go get covid. still to this point i'm not sure if he was joking. i think he was joking. but that is a terrible strategy. . >> it doesn't matter if he's joking, does it? if the millions of people
listening don't know if he's joking at that point. sanjay, you're a prince. i don't know where you get your patience. i really don't. remarkable display of calm and patience there. thank you so much for that. >> you got it. thank you. so right wing media and lawmakers talking more and more of succession, yes, really. high school sweethearts walk down the aisle while nearly their entire family was stuck trying to get there. who they're blaming for raining on their wedding day. i've always dreamed of seeing the world. but i'm not chasing my dream anymore. i made a financial plan to live it every day
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>> in the runup to the civil war, southern congressman used aggressive defensiveness. basically, threats of violence while playing the victim. it was designed to intimidate critics into silence, while masking their own anxieties about declining electoral power. when the war came, it claimed up to three-quarters of a million lives. americans on both sides. the civil war not only ended slavery, it ended any idea of the legitimacy of succession, at least until now. it is stomach churning to see an uptick in a second civil war. i mentioned it not because it's going to happen but because we have learned violent political rhetoric can lead to actual political violence. the talk of a second civil war used to be for extremists online. lately it crossed over into members of congress. marjorie taylor greene posted a
twitter poll asking followers if it was time for a, quote, national divorce. obediently, it was picked up by tea party glenn beck blaming the left for the threat. normally this would be filed under crazy person said crazy thing and get ignored. national divorce, this is an uncoupling for the country is now a recurring theme in maga land, unless you consider the confederacy a high watermark for our country. greene is one of four in congress making similar sounds in recent months. like >> al's mo brooks, arizona's paul gosar, could, to a member of the oath keepers. both were was implicated in the stop the steal rally which turned the attack on our capitol. and north carolina congressman madison cawthorn. >> if our election systems continue to be rigged and stolen, it's going to lead to
bloodshed. there's nothing i dread doing more than having to pick up arms against a fellow american. . >> that's aggressive defensiveness in a nutshell. and these are the same haoepls hit by former congressman steve king retweeted by donald trump before his first impeachment and echoed by is some state gop leaders. courtesy of the clarmont institute, perhaps not coincidentally, the place employing john eastman for how mike pence could draw the insurrection. >> we're going to be in a civil war because the militia will be taken over. >> i see a civil war coming. i do. i see civil war coming. >> there being dangerously misled by the big lie, which is nothing but a new form of the lost cause. which is why a new study by uva caught my eye. detailing the correlation between the location of
confederate monuments and the location of lynchings for nearly a century after the civil war. so much for heritage, not hate. this bloody past does not need to define us. but it cannot be wisely ignored. those talking about a second civil war are still out hraoeurs. anyone who stays silent in the face of the big lie is feeding this beast. that's why we need to hear more from actual constitutional conservatives like congressman peter mayer who called out damocles for waxing patriotic while salivating for civil war. claiming they need to destroy the republic in order to save it to the ultimate betrayal of oaths sworn. those treacherous snakes can go straight to hell. consider this warning from euless ease s. grant from 1875. if we are to have another civil war, i predict the dividing line
will not be mason and mix don's, but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side and superstition, ambition, and ignorance on the other. and that's your reality check. . >> listen, this is no coincidence. i think they know what they're doing, and it's dangerous. >> it is the most dangerous game you can play in a democracy. >> john avlon, thank you very much. u.s. capitol police have had a tough year, emotional year. three of their officers died in the line of duty. and more than 150 were injured in the january 6th insurrection. and now the department is enlisting new team members to help brighten their days. cnn's lauren fox has more. >> reporter: the newest member of the u.s. capitol police force is already pretty pupular. >> hey, sweetie. aww. >> reporter: lila, a 3-year-old black labrador who serves as a
wellness support dog for 2,300 members of the united states capitol police. . >> sit. >> reporter: her handler, wellness coordinator dimitri lewis said her temperament made her a perfect fit for her new job. . >> we try to hit different divisions, different shifts to just allow anyone to kind of play with her. so anxiety gets lowered. emotions gets managed. she puts people in a better place. >> reporter: lila joined the force in june, following a series of tragedies within the ranks of the capitol police. a loss of two officers in the wake of january 6th, and a third killed when a car rammed into the barricades in april. she is one part of a broader wellness program to address the emotional health of the force. >> we have all had bad days. the minute a dog walks in the room for even a minute, you kind of forget about it all. and, you know, those bad
feelings and maybe some of those thoughts go away. >> reporter: lila didn't start out her training with law enforcement in mind. if she had one weakness, because she looks like a perfectly behaved dog, what would it be? . >> her she started off as a seeing eye dog. she went through the training to be a seeing eye dog, but then kryptonite, squirrels, that became an issue. so she actually went into a different type of training to be very comfortable with groups of people, to be comfortable with crowds. training that more made her suited for what she does right now. >> reporter: and she's already getting high praise from her fellow officers, who she's helping to come to terms with their trauma. >> it's so hard to see when you're in the moment, you know, it feels silly, like, all right,
i got this six feet, and this six feet of west front, and why? >> reporter: caroline edwards was guarding the capitol on january 6th and suffered a traumatic brain injury when insurrectionists broke through the barricades. >> and the reason is, like, why we did that was because it gave time for members, for staffers, for everyone to hide, to get out, to, you know, to barricade themselves and i think that's all what it's all about. >> reporter: members of congress also welcome d d leila's arrivo capitol hill. >> there is a truman quote, if you want a friend in washington, get a dog. there are all kinds of studies of how dogs lower your blood pressure and they're lovely and warm and it seemed a great addition to the capitol, where
tensions are high under the best circumstances. >> reporter: leila will be joined by heir fellow canine hero, leo, who joined the capitol police force last month. >> no one can really see leila without getting this big old grin on their face because she's just a loveable dog, that's kind of what service dogs do is they just relieve that tension that you've been holding in. >> reporter: lauren fox, cnn, on capitol hill. >> thank you to lauren for that sweet story. nba all-star kyrie irving is making it clear that he would rather be benched than be vaccinated. what he's telling his fans about that decision. and former president trump tells republicans don't vote in 2022 or 2024 until the party goes all in on the big lie. talking about 19 at work here.
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we're now hearing from brooklyn nets all-star kyrie irving directly about his refusal to get vaccinated, even though vaccine rules in new york mean he can't play in the city without getting the shot. >> don't believe that i'm retiring. don't believe that, you know, i'm going to give up this game for a vaccine mandate. what would you do? if you felt uncomfortable going into the season, when you were promised that you would have exemptions, or that you didn't have to be forced to get the vaccine? >> joining us now is a reporter who has been on this story from the very beginning, senior nba insider at stadium in the athletics cham sharania. kyrie irving's teammates are vaccinated. but kyrie irving has chosen not to get vaccinated.
is he not playing this season at all? >> as of right now he's not. john, i'm told that kyrie irving has no plans to get vaccinated. so if that's the case there are only three routes for him this upcoming year. he's going to get half of his game checks this season, which amounts to $16 million, but he's leaving another $16 million on the table as well as potential $185 million extension. so he stands to lose about $200 million by taking this stance by not deciding to take the covid-19 vaccine, which, again, is a new york city policy and requirement for athletes to play in indoor gyms, public gyms. the nets got good news last week when the league ruled that their practice facility is a private office building, but obviously barclay center in brooklyn is not exempt from that. and so kyrie irving will either -- if he decides not to get vaccinated will sit the entire season ultimately wait for the mandate to get lifted which city hall officials have
told me there is no expectation of that, or get traded. so right now kyrie irving is fighting a battle that right now there really isn't an answer besides going and getting vaccinated if he wants a return to the floor, which clearly he does want to play again. the question is whether he will take the vaccine. >> it is his decision, right. and he knows the consequences which are at this point he can't play in new york. shams, he says he's anti-mandate, but, you know, he didn't take the vaccine before the new york city mandate went into effect. this vaccine was available to him last april th. this is clearly something he just doesn't want to take. >> on one side, kyrie irving's stance as i reported a couple of days ago and he repeated is he's not anti-vaccine, he's basically anti-vaccine mandates. and people losing their jobs over vaccines. and whether you agree or don't agree, listen, the consequences are the consequences. in different local and federal governments, these are just the
policies that are enacted. every industry in some way, shape or form has been impacted by the vaccines and different mandates and i think, listen, basketball, the nba is no different. and that's what kyrie irving is dealing with. and this is, you know, in his mind a grander fight but like you said, 96% of the nba is vaccinated. there is a pocket of about 20 players that are unvaccinated and kyrie irving is the only player that is impacted in his playing status is impacted. >> shams, thank you for being with us. i appreciate your reporting. >> thank you. and breaking news, some 10,000 john deere workers are on strike this morning, this comes after rank and file union members rejected a tentative six-year contract that had been worked out with the company by negotiators for the uaw. cnn's vanessa yerkevich is joining us with more. >> reporter: 1