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the january 6th select committee says they're not missing messing around. criminal contempt charges will be charged. and glibl supply chain issues jacking up prices as a record number of americans quit their job, and jon gruden resigns following his racist, homophobic emails coming to life. why are some claiming he is becoming canceled. i want to bring in your guests. good evening, laura, just over 24 hours away from the deadline from some of trump's key allies to appear for the january 6th committee. we're not messing around here. criminal contempt charges for anyone who denies a subpoena.
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how do you see it playing out, laura? >> unlike last time when you had thumbing of the nose of people who had been subpoenaed, you have a very different white house a very different attorney general who is adamant about the rule of law coming first. what it means is that subpoenas are supposed to be complied with. the average person cannot ignore it. any time someone wants to challenge the validity of the subpoena, you still have to do it on a question by question basis. you can't just say executive privilege. i'm not going to comment at all. you have to actually address it. the idea of use the department of justice to get people to comply is something that could in fact happen on the civil side. >> laura, trump is still pulling the strings, telling the former
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aides to ignore the subpoenas. is this obstruction of justice? >> it is. it is obstruction of congress. it actually means being able to obstruct what congress is supposed to be doing. they have a legislative initiative, what happened on january 6th. it's a valid purpose. they select a committee, and the idea of telling someone don't show up at all, because i might assert executive privilege here, again, it's a question by question privilege. privilege only relates to the questions that might be responsive. there is a former president we're talking about. that privilege belongs to the current incumbent of the white house. and that is it joe biden, and that is debated, apparently, the big lie. that is joe biden, and he is not the one asserting it.
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>> max, adam schiff said the committee will move as fast as possible. >> the former president of the united states is still out pushing the big lie. the same big lie that led people to attack this building and beat police officers and put our lives at risk. so yes, we feel a sense of urgency. >> and a crowd that is four times larger at the michigan state capital demand an audit because trump told them to. what does it say about the dangers that lie ahead? >> i think it says the danger to our democracy is growing. it's not about overturning the 2020 election. that is impossible. there is no way for biden to be shoved out of office right now. this is really about setting the stage or 2024 and preventing biden from winning another term, or any other democrat winning
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another term, and basically getting trump back in office by hook or by crook, and this is essentially conditioning the republican party that throw out votes that don't go their way, and intimidating republican office holders so a few of them will stand up to the trump coup that occurred after the last election. so i think that is a real danger signal for the democracy, the fact that trump is still out there pushing the big lie, that he is conditioning the republican party to go along with him, and in fact something like 60% of republicans still want him to be their leader. 60% still think that trump was legitimately elected in. that is a huge blinking warning sign. >> you have a new piece out explaining you're not a democrat but you will vote for them no matter what. here is what you will write. i'm a single issue voter.
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my concern is the fate of democracy in the united states. simply put i have no faith that we will remain a democracy if republicans win power. are democrats doing enough to explain what is really at stake in the elections? and are they paying close enough attention? meaning democrats other than the folks in washington? >> i think even the folks in washington, a lot of them -- it's easy to get wrapped up in the current political battles, and the build back, the big is going to be 3.5 trillion. is it going to be 2 trillion, what have you? and a lot of people are losing sight of the larger issue. it's not how much you are spending here or there. it's really more of a basic, fundamental question. are we going to have a democracy or not? and what i'm saying, if republicans can win elections in 2022 that is going to set the stage for a republican coup in 2024 that could well be more
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successful than the one they attempted in 2020. and really the only way to prevent that from happens is to vote for democrats at all levels and stay legislatures, governors, house and senate, that is the only way to save our democracy. and i'm saying that as someone who is not a democrat. i have disagreements with democrats on issues. but i'm saying now, all small democrats have to unite and save the big democrats to save the democracy from an authoritarian party that trump is leading. >> new videos about the video that trump posted in twitder hours of the election, where he said the election was stolen. said his supportering were ver special. trump boasted about the crowd side and had to tape the message several times because he
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neglected to tell the rioters to leave the capitol. what does it tell you? >> the presidency that was obsessed with crowd sizes, was equally concerned about the end of his presidency after he lost the election, and the focus should have been the focus on the citadel of our democracy, and a focus almost exclusively on his own encouple. and you see someone who had to be coaxed especially and folksed and persuaded to call off a crowd, which included people calling for the hanging of his own vice president. and i don't recall any of the republicans who were on the floor that day, who had to be taken away who had to go to safe shelter, opening the arms to the
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people coming in. why? they knew they were there to do no good and to actually harm. so if the president of the united states with the power, the person who is about to answer the question, you and what army? if instead of focusing on trying to ensure the safety of our democracy, he is focused on how many people were willing to join the orbit of yes men and women, and that is cause for concern. just tournd score one point, if you are concerned about democracy, you have to be concerned about the attempts to avoid or make sure people cannot get to the polls, the rolling back of voting cases and rolling back of voting rights in this country. because that's just as much about what we need to preserve as anything else. >> all right, thank you both. thank you, laura, max. thank you. i want to turn now to fareed zakaria. good evening to you. it's clear that our democracy is
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in peril. even republicans are going all in with trump and his big lie, and trump is trying to encourage anyone who goes out against him and install spoupporter in key states. do you see it as a fast moving co coup? how so you see it? >> it's fast in the sense that the president party is now completely taken over. it's essentially become an anti-democratic party. because it's vindicating and repeating lies about what happened in the election. it is trying to push from the ranks anyone who dared to tell the truth from secretaries of state to local officials to people like liz cheney. it's slow moving in the sense that it's not happening today. what is happening is they're putting in place building blocks on of a coup. what we have going on is a slow
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methodical effort to create the conditioning in which the election of 2024 can be contested. in a sense, it's a very -- you know, we would only have ourselves to blame if we were to be surprised in 2024 when the republican candidate, donald trump, will declare victory no matter what happens in the election. because they are signalling that is what they're going to do. you know, is it certain that it will happen? no. but it's -- i think it's fair to say -- you know, this is a very difficult time, don. because everyone wants to talk about everything else that is going on. and as max said, you know, there is debate about -- the democrats are spending too much or too little or biden got out of afghanistan well or badly. it's all fair game and it's all important. but there is one elephant in the
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room, which is there is a slow motion, systematic effort to under mine the american democratic institutions, and it sounds like we're harping on it. but it's kind of a big deal. >> it is an absolutely a big deal. biden -- biden has been telling the world that america is back, democracy is back. he obviously wants that to be the case. but were those comments early on in his term, were they premature? >> it's premature because everyone i talked to said, how do we know it doesn't happen in 2024? how do we know that biden is not a brief respite between two trump terms? how do we know that -- you know, the american people won't vote for someone just like trump? i think the big wake-up call for people around the world and
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quite frankly for people around the united states, and it's fair to say for people like you and me, was that 60, 70% of the republican party is going along with this. that means, i don't know, 35%, 40% of the american people are going along with this. and you know, you never get everybody. i mean, 35% of people approved of joe mccarthy after the senate. 35% of people supported nixon after water gate. but it does feel like we're closer to 45 now than 35, and i wonder whether you can have a functioning democracy with almost half the country accepting what is deeply anti-democratic practice. and an authoritarian figure like trump. and whatever you thought of trump as president -- i was not a fan, but there were some --
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there were occasionally things he did i agreed with. the point now, we are talking about what donald trump did on january 6th and the weeks before that. that is a wholly different cloth. not about policy. did he cut taxes too much, did he get the troops out -- this is a debate about what he is going to american democracy, and we really have to not confuse the issues. what he did january 6th maybe in historical terms the single greatest threat on american democracy since the kooicivil w >> there is no nuance when it comes to the trump party. this is a crisis brewing with china and taiwan. china flying aircraft, and taiwan is showcasing missiles, a
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war of words. how concerned should the u be that we're going to get traged in there? >> there is a danger. some of what is happening, the media isover reacting, this always happens. there are dueling features, china's national day, the chinese are escalating. i think china fearly feels taiwan is feels it is escaping from its grasp. i think it always felt it would keep the island under control, and it's not easy. taiwan is a vig use democracy. first, there is the olympics. china is tnot going to do anything before the olympics. i wants to make sure there is a successful olympics. but there is a thing there, china knows the price it would pay. the task of the american democracy is to rally the world,
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and make china understand if it were to engage in invasion of taiwan, that is the end of trade partners in. that a very big cost. i think we have a lot of leverage. i think the biden administration is handling it reasonably well. the problem the viden administration has it has all these complicated foreign issues but the same time, it's dealing with a charge to american democracy at home. >> fareed zakaria, thank you, i can't wait to see you in person. soon. for more, tune in to fareed zakaria gps sunday on cnn. gas prices are high. supplies of basic products, low in stock. and people are quitting their jobs in record numbers. what is going on with the economy? and how is it going to affect you? my real question is, where did
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americans are feeling, the supply chain out of whack? what is happening? what is going on here? >> you said the magic word. supply change. look at gas prices. oil closed today. 80 bucks, the global benchmark. $83. we're seeing it at the pump. $3.28 says aaa. the highest it's been for oil in seven years. no more supply coming. you see the biden administration asking opec to pump more. there is huge demand. we want to get out, we want to get around, and what happens? supply, demand, you wind up paying more. >> it's a sign of recovery. people want to be driving. there is a catch to it. >> you bet. you bet. >> the chip shortage. let's talk about congestion at the ports. a lot of truck drivers, disruption, will get worse before it gets better.
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can they do anything to fix this? is biden to blame? >> well, look, nobody is to blame unless you want to look in the mirror. we want -- we -- global consumers want what we want when we want it, and after a year of being online, and now we can spend money on goods and experiences and it's just not coming fast enough. i was at the port of long beach, los angeles and long beach. 66 ships waiting at anchor. average wait time to get in to unload, 11 days. the usual average, zero days. they are out on the water two weeks, they hit arrival time within 30 minutes and now they are waiting 11 days to unload. the supply chain thing is going to go on for a while. and no one should expect once we get through the holidays, it will be better. it's important people know it's going to be around a while. >> it's interesting. i always say that the democratic party is bad at messaging. it's interesting because there
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is a demand from consumers, that want the economy turned around. they are investing in homes, doing all this stuff. trying to buy stuff and it's so much of a demand, that it's backed up. am i wrong? >> yeah. >> this is a sign of the recovery, that we're doing great, that -- >> yeah, it's not a messaging failure. the economy is doing reasonably well. growth is slowing down. while the unemployment rate is going down, we are adding fewer jobs. that is a thing that people are worried about. but you can have -- pick your president. you can have anybody in the white house and it would still be happening. >> i want to know, where are the workers? i want to know, it doesn't matter what business, i go, i see, everyone is hiring. people are saying, i can't get workers. americans are quitting their job at a record pace. 4.3 million people quit their jobs in august. that is 3% of the work force.
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think about that? where are the workers? >> 3% of the american work force in august said i'm out. number one, they're afraid to work. depending on the line of work they're in. restaurants is tough. education is tough. people are afraid to work. people have child care concerns from the pandemic. wages, people are seeing this is a worker environment. right? there are so many open jobs, workers are saying, i will hang out and wait for a better paycheck, and i have seen it in my own professional life. people are saying, i don't necessarily want to do it anymore. i want to take a minute, think about what i want to do. it's been really rough year and a half. let's regroup. >> just -- i have a short time here. but is -- does that -- i don't think we realize how covid has changed the job market. because the numbers we're looking at at the employment rate, do they actually fit the actual times they're in when it comes to -- that's a really good question. what are you giving me, 30
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seconds to answer that one? here's the thing. the way the pandemic is showing up physically with open store fronts and people not being able to get what they want when they want it in the supply chain, it's showing up more in the psyche of the american and global worker. because they are taking the time to re-evaluate and see what they want to do, and that gets reflected, going to your favorite restaurant and saying, sorry, i don't have enough wait staff. >> you're talking. that's my life. well, i appreciate it. i have to have you back to talk about it more. maybe we should rejigger the way we talk about employment and unemployment. >> or capitalism. it's been stress tested the last year and a half. >> thank you, kai. appreciate it. take a look at former
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my next guest thinking so. mike freeman saps that gruden's emails are not just a nfl problem but symbolic of white grievance. he joins me now. good to see you, sir. >> don, good to see you. >> explain why you think that gruden's emails are more than sports? >> i think he hits on all the white wing talking points you heard, since obama was elected in 2008. and a lot of it to me is a reflection of sort of the changing dynamics, the changing racial dynamics, and power structures in the country. if you look at all of gruden's emails, it reflects all of that. he rails against colin kaepernick, against the increasing power of women. gays asserting themselves, transgender asserting themselves. he really goes against all of these things that represent -- i
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don't think it's controversial. that represents the way the country is changing and the way people of color, the way women are asserting power, gaining power and it makes a lot of people like jon gruden very uncomfortable. and you see a straight line between all these things in gruden's emails and most importantly to me, how they parallel them saying for a long time, and they're just almost identical to things he talks about when you compare them. >> you said that gruden was possibly supercharged by the nfl environment. but isn't the league just really a microsocosm of the rest of th country? look at the reaction to social media -- social justice protests. >> yeah, there is truth to that. what happened with colin kaepernick, he was really the
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energizing force for people like gruden who just hated the fact that to them, football was their game. and colin kaepernick was disrespecting their game, and colin kaepernick was disrespecting police and their american flag. years later, of course, we see the irony of people who hated coalin kaepernick storming the capitol and attacking police officers with american flags. but he really got a lot of people, i think, more republicans, people like jon gruden, really upset, and he represented, again, to me, the changing dynamics of how the country is just shifting. it's changing racially. it's changing -- the power structure is changing. all of it is shifting dramatically. kaepernick represented -- in a way way, kaepernick represented
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that shift. you're right about how it's a micr microcosm but when you look at the nfl, you are energized, the conservative elements in the league, and gruden is one of those guys. >> the criticism of the former president, barack obama and the current president and former vice president, calling him all kinds of names as well. you're right. the tampa bay buccaneers has announced that gruden has been removed from the ring of honor. skechers terminated the endorsement deal with him. is it being canceled or is that a consequence of their actions? >> i heard you talk about the cancel culture. cancel culture doesn't write emails. he canceled himself. he did this. this is his responsibility, and this is all on him. i will say, don, one of the most interesting parts of this to come next, i think, are the
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emails. hundreds of thousands of them. the nfl so far is refusing to release them. but i think -- you may agree with me, there's 1,000 pandora boxes in those emails, and probably more grudens in the emails. that is the next big part of the story. gruden is a significant part of it. he is sort of the beginning of it. but the knnext big part of it, what happens with the emails? do they get released? what's in them. within the emails, i guarantee you, are a ton of bombshells, some that may make gruden look small. >> do you think there are nervous people in the nfl going -- or in professional sports going oh -- oh shoot. >> the first thing you said, absolutely. >> that part. mike, thank you. i enjoyed reading it.
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"usa today" opinion. jon gruden's emails, they are a sign of societal problems. >> thank you. forced out oi trump supporters and replaced by someone who posts election conspiracies. that election official speaks out next right here next.
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forced out of office. an elections administrator resigning after trump tried to remove from her job. she is now going to be replaced by a county clerk who is spre spreading conspiracies. i want to bring in michelle from hood county, texas. michelle, so glad you're here. i can't wait to hear what you have to say about it. you took the job about two months before the election. since then, you have been forced out of your job. explain to the viewers what is going on. >> hey, don, thank you for having me here tonight. i have been asked this question a lot tonight today, and i'm excited to sharp it with you. basically, what has happened here, i was brought in. seven weeks before the biggest
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election in hood county history. i was able to get everything put together. it went off without a hitch. we even received a report from the state inspector saying i had done everything fairly and accurately. but that doesn't menough for th people here. >> your job is to be a independent election official. and you said you are nonp nonpartisan, and you were told that means democrat. >> yeah. >> they are republicans, trump supporters going after you. did you think they would be content since trump won 81% of the county? what is it about how you go about your job that is so concerning to them? >> to a lot of them, they don't feel that i am loyal to the
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republican party? as a nonpartisan elections administrator, it's my job to treat everyone the same. and that was frowned upon. they wanted me to do as i say, and i always followed the texas election code. to them, that wasn't enough. >> can we talk about your replacement, katie lang as the county clerk? she made headlines in 2015 after she refused to issue a marriage license to a gay couple, and she is sharing election misinformation online. what do you think of -- what do you think of her filling your job? >> actually, they haven't appointed anyone else. it's any understanding -- they have posted my job as an elections administrator to be replaced with an elections administrator. there is talk about placing it under katie. at this time, the county is
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still looking for an election administrator. >> you have 14 years of experience overseeing numerous elections. have you seen anything like this? >> never. i have never been in this type of predicament ever. coming in hood county was an experience i never thought i would have. when you walk in a location and you pull off their election in less than seven weeks. you have glowing reviews from the secretary of state. you are following all of the best practices. any time there was an issue, i would check with the secretary of state for their advice. a small group of people here said i should not be listening to the secretary of state. should i listen to them. >> what is the danger here f someone in your position was to be beholden to one particular
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party? >> first off, it's illegal. we come in as a nonpartisan. we treat everyone the same. democrat, republican, independent, no matter who you are, we treat everyone the same. honestly, i don't know how to answer your question. it's against the law. it's not something that we can do. >> well, let's hope folks are listening. michelle, thank you so much. best of luck to you. we appreciate you appearing. >> thank you. barack obama getting ready to thump for democrats in virginia. one key issue right now. how much control parents have in schools. stay with us.
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democrats raising the alarm over the tight race for governor in virginia, and in the closing days of the campaign, the role of government in schools becoming a key issue as voters begin casting their ballots. more tonight from cnn's jeff zeleny. >> i'm historically an independent voter. i have voted every which way you could vote. >> reporter: amy is not defined by political labels. >> i was not a fan of president trump. i didn't vote for him and i didn't vote for biden but i did vote. >> reporter: that makes her an important wild card in virginia, where she cast her vote early this week. for one reason above all. >> what led me to vote for glenn
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youngkin this time around was education. >> reporter: education is a central issue in the final stretch of the closely watched virginia governor's race. where the power of the parent's movement is suddenly front and center. in duelling tv ads -- >> terry mccoaulcauliff, puttin politics over parents. >> reporter: terry mccauliff, the state's former democratic governor, and glenn youngkin, are locked in a bitter fight over the role of government in schools. >> my name is amy dodson. >> reporter: during the pandemic last year, dodson became an unlikely activist. attending school board meetings for the first time. arguing students should be in the classroom, not learning virtually. >> by myself, i felt very powerless. as a collective group, your voice is stronger and holds more power that we never had before
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as just an individual parent line up to speak. >> reporter: that's alarming some democrats, like michael, who has been attending school board meetings to provide a counterbalance. >> they're doing a good job of scaring up anger and emotion. when it comes down to walking in the voting booth, that there are enough of us who are able to look at the science, look at education with a level head, and look at this race with a level head. we don't need somebody as extreme as youngkin in the governor's mansion. >> reporter: as early voting is well underway, that view is being tested here in chesterfield county in central virginia, just below richmond. >> thank you. >> reporter: the long-time gop strong hold has gone democratic in recent elections. this race could signal where republicans are resurgent. with trump on voter's minds but not on the ballot.
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renee cast her ballot earlier today, saying it's still a vote against trump. >> if you are not actively against him, i feel like you're for him. and i in no way feel that youngkin showed or has stated that he is firmly against him. >> reporter: but amy dodson says many voters see this contest as a check on full democratic control. >> i always like to see a little bit of blend. i don't like any party to roll through without having any sort of challenges. >> joining me now is jeff zeleny. good evening to you. this parent's movement seems like it's playing a big movement there in virginia. is this the key issue in the race right now? >> reporter: it's certainly one of the driving issues with three weeks repage in this very close contest. there is anger at the government from some parents over the mask mandates. but there's also, you know, anger at the other side at these parents who have been standing up to this. so it's unclear how this is going to turn out.
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but they're definitely a driving sense throughout this parent's movement, if you will, that's animating the final chapter of this race, unlike most political races we have seen. >> how nervous are democrats? this is just three weeks before the election, jeff, election night. >> reporter: don, significantly. three weeks from tonight will be election night. they are sending in everyone. we learned earlier today that former president barack obama will be coming to richmond, virginia. jill biden coming. a lot of other surrogates. democrats are very worried about this. they thought virginia was a solid blue state. they're learning that is not the case. glenn youngkin, the newcomer, is really catching on here. so the next three weeks are critical. at least in the eyes of democrats. >> jeff zeleny joining us from virginia. thank you very much. i appreciate it. and thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. i made a financial plan to live it every day.
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good evening. there is a lot to bring you tonight, including a conversation of one of the house lawmakers trying to learn more about the former president's role in and around the attack on the capitol. the question tonight, what happens if four of his former aides and allies facing a deadline later-this week refuse to talk? we begin, though, with more breaking news. autopsy results in the killing of gabby petito. the cause of death now known. strangulation. the manner of death, homicide. the news comes a month and a day after she was reported missing on a road trip with her fiance, brian laundrie, who is now at large. her body was discovered on the 19th of last month in the bridger teton national forest in wyoming. we are joined now by dr. brent blue.

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