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state, including private employers. this is another act of resistance to public health measures and just a few minutes ago, two major companies said they will not comply with the governor's orders. cnn's nick watt has the latest for us. nick? >> reporter: well, victor, there are a bunch of big names based down in texas, at&t, oracle, dell, exxonmobil, and we have been wondering all morning, will they comply? well, we just heard from american airlines and southwest, they say they will not comply with the governor. they will continue following the federal law, which says that they've got to mandate vaccines for their employees. now, governor abbott had already said that government entities in texas were not allowed to mandate vaccines. today, he just went a step further, a big step. in texas, governor greg abbott just doubled down. now no one, not even private companies, can mandate covid-19
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vaccines for staff or customers. vaccines, he says, must always be voluntary for texans. new york city mandates vaccines for pro athletes, so the brooklyn nets just announced kyrie irving won't be playing. he could have played away games but says the gm, we will not permit any of our team to participate with part-time availability. >> we don't like to be telling people what they need to do with regard to vaccines, but we know that mandates work. we've seen that they are working. they're working in schools, universities, and colleges. >> reporter: in wisconsin, a mom whose son caught covid is suing the school district which will not mandate masks. she claims they're throwing students into a covid-19 snake pit. >> i am just hoping that they will start masking and take some responsibility to keep our kids safe at school. >> reporter: and at a school board meeting in virginia. >> i was sitting next to my healthy daughter's death bed.
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she died five days after showing symptoms. >> reporter: her daughter, teresa, was ten years old. >> covid is not over. no matter what people who have been standing up here have said. >> reporter: the average daily covid-19 case count hasn't been this low since early august. the delta tide on the ebb. >> i think we still need to be careful through the winter. this is a winter pathogen. it will continue to circulate. >> reporter: in colder weather, for at least a few more months. >> the numbers are going down, but they're still abysmal. while we're going in the right direction, we're still not where we need to be in order to curb this pandemic. >> reporter: now, word round the camp fire down in texas is that governor abbott also might be playing a little politics with this ban on vaccine mandates. he's facing a couple of primary challengers from even further right, so that might be why he's doing this. one of those challengers, allen
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west, just posted over the weekend, as governor of texas, i will vehemently crush anyone forcing vaccine mandates in the lone star state. guys? >> nick, thank you very much. okay, now let's talk about that move by the brooklyn nets to bench their star player, kyrie irving. irving has not shared his vaccination status and therefore was already barred by local new york city guidelines from playing any home games. cnn sports anchor coy wire joins us now. so, coy, tell us how the nets came to this decision. >> reporter: hi, alisyn and victor. yeah, look, the season is just one week away and there are two cities where players who are not vaccinated would not be permitted to play in their home venues, new york and san francisco. this affects three teams as the mandate doesn't apply to players on visiting teams. the golden state warriors, the new york knicks and the brooklyn nets. all players on the knicks are already fully vaccinated and now after just last week, the warriors are as well. andrew wiggins decided to get the shot, though he said he felt pressure to do so.
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on friday, a new york city hall official told cnn that kyrie irving would be allowed to practice at the team's facility as it was a private facility, but he would not be eligible to play in the nets' home games at barclay's center. head coach steve nash saying they were in a wait and see mode. well, clearly, they have decided not to wait any longer with the regular season starting so soon. earlier today, brooklyn nets general manager sean marx made clear on their thoughts and decision to bench kyrie irving. here he is. >> kyrie has made it clear that he has a choice in this matter and it's ultimately going to be up to him, what he decides. we respect the fact that he has a choice and he can make his own -- and right to choose as, again, right now, what's best for the organization is the path that we're taking, and i don't want to speak for kyrie and at the right time, i'm sure he will address his feelings and, you know, what the path may be for
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him. >> reporter: besides saying he wants to keep this stuff private, is kyrie saying anything about vaccines in general or if there's a potential that he will disclose his vaccine status? >> oh, yeah, it's interesting. just last month, victor, irving, as you mentioned, refused to reveal his vaccination status. he also, though, at the media day, he said that he was looking forward to playing in front of fans again. though, he does say he's going to keep his vaccination status private, look, the nets are odds-on favorite to win the title and kyrie irving is a bona fide star. he's scheduled to make $34 million this year, and initially, it didn't appear that money was an issue, though not playing in away games, he would be docked his salary, about $360,000 per game. that would total about $17 million for the year. it didn't appear to be an issue at the time. what could motivate him to play
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other than that? perhaps it would be winning another title. he won a title with lebron james during his playing days in cleveland and so here he is again on one of the favorites to win. general manager for the nets, seth marks, also saying earlier that it's imperative that we continue to build chemistry as a team and remain true to our long-established values of togetherness and sacrifice. kyrie irving was not falling in line with that plan. so the team made their move. now the move is up to irving. >> all right, coy wire for us. thank you. >> wow, i feel like $17 million would be an inducement, but you know, that's me. let's get more on the texas governor, greg abbott's ban on vaccine mandates. let's bring in steve adler, the mayor of austin. thank you so much for being here. as we know, governor abbott has now issued this order banning vaccine mandates, even for private businesses throughout texas. how much confusion is this causing since it's in direct contradiction to president biden's plan?
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>> it's causing, alisyn, a lot of confusion. and it also seems to be inconsistent not only with the federal orders coming from the president but this is texas. i mean, this is a pro-business state, and for us to be telling businesses in their own businesses what they can or can't do in order to be able to protect their employees and their customers, just doesn't seem to be keeping with the freedoms and liberties that we talk about here in texas. i think it has everyone confused at this point. and i hope this ultimately gets challenged. >> i mean, to your point, there are big, huge businesses in texas that had already planned vaccine mandates, even before, i think, president biden issued his executive order. i mean, here are the ones that we know of right now. southwest airlines just put out their statement saying that they will require full vaccination by december 8th or face possible termination for employees.
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at&t already required most management employees to be vaccinated by this week, this current week. hewlett packard, all team members, contractors and visitors must be fully vaccinated to enter the work sites. and then american airlines, their statement was, all along, as we've been going through this, we've been considering mandates and may have done so on our own. but we wanted to do everything we could first to encourage everyone to do so. so, i mean, it sounds -- i'm not sure what happens next, because it sounds like these are private businesses that want mandates. >> and we should be celebrating that and encouraging that because we know that it works. you know, austin has been trying to toe the line as best we can to protect our community. the mortality rate in austin is half of the state average. if the state had the same mortality rate that we have in austin, texas, we would have 30,000 texans that were still alive. the world is being turned upside down here. and now this is yet another step
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too far. a business ought to be able to decide, at the very least, it ought to be able to decide for its own employees and for its customers. these are proven measures that protect people. the people that are in our icus right now, the people in our community and in our state that are dying of this variant are people that are not vaccinated. you know, we require vaccinations for children as they enter into elementary school. this makes no sense. it is confusing, and it's inconsistent with so many things. >> yeah, i mean, as you point out, it is also inconsistent with what republicans say they believe, which is that private businesses should decide what's best for their customers, so what do you think governor abbott is doing here? >> you know, best as i can tell, this is all about the upcoming elections, not only the race for governor in this state where
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there seems to be a race in the republican party toward who can be the most strident and, frankly, i believe, outrageous. probably the presidential election two years after that. because it's not being driven by the science and the data. there is no right for anyone to be able to put other people's health at risk, and that's what's happening with folks that are unvaccinated. the stresses that we're having in our hospitals and our icus, thankfully, the numbers are coming down, but we're really concerned about flu coming back in november and december and taking a lot of spaces at our hospitals as they -- as flu has done in prior years. this impacts the healthcare availability for everyone in our community, vaccinated or not, and no one has a right to be able to put the community in
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danger like this. >> mayor steve alder, thank you for your time. >> thank you. president biden's agenda is at stake, and speaker pelosi warns it is time for democrats to make some tough decisions. we are live on capitol hill next.
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well, now to a stark warning from house speaker nancy pelosi about the future of president biden's agenda. she sent a letter to her caucus urging lawmakers to hurry up and pass both the build back better act and the bipartisan infrastructure bill. >> today she made it clear that changes are coming to that massive spending bill, which will bring tough choices. >> these decisions have to be
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made. there's been a lot of discussion, and we are a democratic party. we are not a rubber stamp or a lockstep party. we have our discussions and i'm very proud of the values that all the members have brought to the table, the knowledge of the issues that they're advancing, that they bring, and the realization that even at 3.5, you have to make decisions. so, again, we have to make tighter decisions. >> cnn congressional correspondent ryan nobles joins us live, so what about those tough choices? what are they going to chop out of some of these bills? >> reporter: yeah, i think that's the big question right now, alisyn and victor. democrats right now are wrestling between a path forward here, and they've got really two options to try and shrink the size of this package that you'll recall at one point was as big as $3.5 trillion. they can either try and pack all of these issues and programs and policies that they had hoped to put into the package and do it in a smaller or less long of a
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time frame, or they could actually cut and pull some things out of the package, and that seems to be what the ongoing internal deliberations are between house progressives and house moderates and then of course those two key senators, joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, who have balked at the hefty price tag that this bill contains. and this is also a part of the messaging strategy, of course, for the biden white house, because there is concern that there's been too much focus on the price tag and not enough of a focus on what it actually delivers, and if you get to the point that you have to start actually cutting things from a package that was never passed to begin with, that also could lead to difficult optics, so this is what they're wrestling with right now. keep in mind, neither side has agreed to a full topline number as to how much they are willing to spend or where the revenue would come to pay for that package, so this is still a very difficult and cumbersome negotiation, and in terms of a timeline, victor and alisyn, there really isn't one.
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these talks could extend past halloween. it's even possible they could go all the way into thanksgiving. this is really being looked at now as more of a long-term process, not a short-term process, because democrats want to get it right. alisyn and victor? >> ryan nobles, thank you. democrats are doing president biden no favors with their intraparty drama but beyond that, let's look at the slew of crises the president is facing right now. >> wow. >> among them, rising gas prices and inflation. a supply chain backlog ahead of the holiday shopping season. sluggish job growth. staffing shortages. turmoil in afghanistan. and a pandemic. that he, of course, was elected with people hoping that he would end, and then there's the politicization of the vaccine, mask mandates, you know, all that stuff. >> the graphic can only be so big. cnn political director david chalian is here. david, welcome to you. white house press secretary jen psaki admitted that they thought this would be done with several
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of these problems, that they'd have some of them off the list. just talk about the significance of the list growing and growing and the need for this president to get a political win. >> yeah. this is the toughness of the job. and as president biden always says, he understands that whole theory of the buck stopping there. now, some of the things on that list are within his control. some of the things on that list are not within his control. i don't think the public makes any differentiation, necessarily, between the two, and so this is what it is to be president of all this land on your plate. you know, the white house approach to this is sort of that once they believe that once congress and they do think they will do this, gets those big agenda items through, the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure plan, this larger, maybe hovering around a $2 trillion social spending plan, once that gets passed and
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into the economy, that spending gets out into the country, that they think these troubles will start taking care of themselves, especially with what we see as the receiving of the delta variant which is issue number one above all others. >> well, of course, there's a trick trickle down effect to all these and terry mcauliffe, running for governor in virginia, talked about how this is affecting other states. listen to him from sunday. >> we've got frustration with washington. you know, why haven't we passed this infrastructure bill? it passed the u.s. senate with 69 votes two months ago. i have been very straight on television. we're tired of the chitty chat up in washington. get in a room and get this figured out. >> and by the way, he's a democrat, david. >> yeah. he sure is. you know, in ryan was talking to you guys and saying, there's no definitive timeline on this stuff now, and this is more of a long-term thing, as he was saying that, i was like, envisioning terry mcauliffe's
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head exploding because there is a short timeline for terry mcauliffe in california where he's running for his old job to be governor again, people are voting right now. we will tally the votes three weeks from now, election day, but the voting is happening right now and that's why you see mcauliffe sort of pleading with washington democrats to sort of, please get something done, especially that infrastructure bill you have sitting on your desks from the senate which was passed in a bipartisan fashion so that i can turn around and sell what you're doing to people who are going to vote right now. so, the idea that the timeline gets extended, that hurts somebody like terry mcauliffe or phil murphy who's running for re-election in new jersey. >> he can't wait for halloween or the end of the year for this to get done. what do you see as the significance of speaker pelosi, monday night, sending out this letter saying overwhelmingly what she's hearing is do things
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well. and today telling manu raju, hopefully we can keep all the marquee programs and just cut the time? >> yeah. she seemed to be sort of giving everybody in her caucus a little bit of something of what they want to hear. but i think that letter couldn't have been more clear. when she uses that word, sort of the overwhelming sense of my caucus, that is to try to explain to some others who may be making the argument, a different argument, that they're not with the majority of the party. but you are right to note, victor, she definitely walked that back a little bit today. she was not saying, you know, here are the few things that are the priorities and we should do well. but i would just note, every single time speaker pelosi talks about the build back better agenda, and she did so in the letter as well that you're referencing, she says, for the children. and i urge everyone to take a look at ron brownstein's column on our website because there is this divide inside the party about how much to invest of this build back better plan into the front end of life, universal
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pre-k, child care, the extension of the child care tax credit, versus investing in the dignity of the later stages in life, expanding medicare to include vision and dental and hearing aids the way we hear bernie sanders talk all the time. and at the end of the day, the package, $2 trillion, there will be enough money there to invest in both of, of course, but the battle inside the party is where to lean in. and you always hear speaker pelosi say, for the children. so, i think when she says, let's do a few things well, you can imagine she may end prioritizing those things. >> david, before we let you go, i have to play for you an only in new jersey political ad. this is the state democrats who have a political ad against the republican running for governor. enjoy. >> do you know who this guy is? >> no clue. >> no. >> uh-uh. >> that's jack cicciaterelli. he once led an effort to ban swearing. >> you're [ bleep ] me. >> what the [ bleep ]? >> that's kind of nice.
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>> really? >> [ bleep ] no. >> this is freaking new jersey. >> we can't let that [ bleep ] hole win. >> i've never been more proud. >> yeah. alisyn, you're a jersey girl, i'm a jersey boy, so this ad sort of speaks our language in many ways. listen, this ad is doing -- designed to do exactly what we're doing right now, to get media attention, to get people talking to go viral and have people share. t this is not the television ad campaign that phil murphy is spending millions of dollars on to put into people's living rooms as the message he's trying to win a second term on, but the new jersey democratic committee understood they had an opening here to get an attention-grabbing kind of moment and they've certainly gotten that with this digital ad. >> i love that -- i love that you love it, right? the bird song of newark. >> right. victor was asking, what is this? i said, it's our state motto. >> david chalian, thank you so much.
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>> thanks, david. >> sure. so, nfl raiders head coach jon gruden has resigned after emails revealed his racist and homophobic and misogynist comments. we'll speak to a "new york times" reporter who broke the story. and any minute, a wyoming coroner is set to release gabby petito's autopsy results as questions surrounding her death still remain unanswered so of course we'll bring you that live.
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jon gruden is out as head coach of the las vegas raiders after "the new york times" unearthed old emails that he sent packed with misogynistic and homophobic and racist language. these emails were sent between 2011 and 2018 and they emerge as part of a different investigation into workplace misconduct that did not initially involve gruden. >> now, in the emails, gruden used racist language to describe the nfl players union leader, denounced women working as on-field officials, and wrote a player who need for the national anthem that protesters should be fired. he also criticized a team's drafting of an openly gay player, and he used an anti-gay slur when describing the nfl commissioner, roger goodell. "new york times" reporter katie rossman broke this story. also with us is retired nfl
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player ephraim. katherine, what stands out to me is that friday, we got the email that suggests or shows that he made this racist comment. he coached a game on sunday after that. and only after your reporting about the misogynistic -- all right. got to hold on. hold this. we've got to go to wyoming for the latest on the gabby petito case. we're going to learn about that autopsy. let's listen in. >> no other information will be released about the autopsy. the only thing that is released in the state of wyoming is cause or manner of death. >> i think they said we can't hear you. just one second. go ahead. >> should i start over then? >> sure. >> thank you for joining us. sorry about the audio issue. i'm dr. brent lew.
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after a detailed investigation by our forensic pathologist, our anthropologist and local law enforcement, with assistance from the fbi, the teton county coroners office, in the manner of death, we find the cause and manner, death by strangulation and manner is homicide. by wyoming state statute, only the cause and manner of death are released. there are autopsy findings and photographs and that sort of material is not released by state statute. i'll be glad to entertain some questions at this time. >> hi, this is alex with the news and guide. can you hear me? >> yes. >> i'm curious whether you're able to pinpoint a date of death and when -- and if you know
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whether or when gabby's remains will be returned to her family. >> the remains have been returned to the mortuary here, and the mortuary is dealing with the family at this time as far as disposition of the remains. as far as the time of death, we are estimating three to four weeks from the time that the body was found. that is actually -- law enforcement -- than the -- than our office. >> vivian, you are able to ask your question. >> what's the question? i didn't hear a question.
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>> kris, i believe that you are muted. if you can unmute yourself. >> yeah. okay. it's john walsh from "in pursuit with john walsh" on discovery i.d. dr. blue, thank you for your time. i think everybody in the world believes that brian laundrie killed gabby. with your extensive work on the body, are you sure that it's brian laundrie? and will the fbi issue a nationwide homicide warrant now that they know the cause of death? >> we are only tasked with the determination of cause and manner of death. who committed the homicide is up to law enforcement. and i cannot answer the question about the fbi. you will have to contact them. >> jeremy, you are now allowed to ask your question. >> yes, hello, doctor.
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if you could please -- can you comment on any other bruising, maybe, on the body that possibly was healing, possibly older bruises or cuts that might have been healing over the last couple of weeks before her passing? >> wyoming state statute, no other information about the autopsy is released. just the cause of death. >> hi there, this is heather lee, reporter at abc action news in tampa, florida. i just wanted to know if you could explain why it took about a month for this process to finish. i think a lot of people were hoping that they would learn this information sooner, so i just think if you could just explain the process and why it took a month.
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>> well, the main reason was that we were a very exacting in our examination and the detail with which that examination was done. we were waiting for various specialists to come in and help us with this investigation. we were waiting on toxicology to be returned, and it was just a matter of making sure we had everything right. >> okay. you have been listening there to the teton county, wyoming, coroner who has just publicly released the findings of the gabby petito autopsy. he can't say much because of wyoming state law, but he said that they have figured out that the manner in which she died was homicide and it was death by strangulation. with us now, we want to bring in cnn correspondent jean casarez and casey jordan, a criminologist, behavioral analyst and attorney. jean, i mean, i think that everyone assumed that, of
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course, gabby petito had been killed. it wasn't sort of natural causes by which she died. but to hear that it was strangulation is still startling and confirms everybody's worst fears. >> i know. i know. so, it is official now that it is a homicide. that was a preliminary ruling, right, initially, and the cause of death, strangulation. something else that stands out to me is that they brought in the forensic pathologist. of course, that is who performs autopsies. but the forensic anthropologist, that is very striking right there, because they said that her remains, her body was there three to four weeks. well, we know from the search warrant affidavit, that august 27th was the last time her family had any communication with her. we know her remains were found september 19th. so that is the timetable there. we know she was in the grand tetons, which is the wild, and a forensic anthropologist shows that there was necessary for an expert to come in. it was not remains that you
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normally would find when someone is deceased. >> casey, the strangulation element here is a very intimate way, and i'm going delicate because we are dealing with a person who has a family, of killing someone. this is not a gunshot. it is not using a weapon. that is person-to-person. what do you take away from a crime of potentially passion in strangulation? >> the confirmation that gabby died of strangulation does not really surprise me at all. it was what i had predicted all along, because it is the most common form along with sometimes an impassioned bludgeoning in cases where there has been a history of domestic violence. it is personal. it is intimate. you have to look into the eyes of the person as you have their hand around their throat or we don't know if it's manual
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strangulation versus a ligature strangulation, but it takes a long time. usually up to five minutes. and again, don't want to be indelicate, but it didn't happen quickly. it wasn't one of these things where you just strike out with a rock, with a hammer, some weapon of convenience. it took time. it took intent. and i wouldn't be surprised since homicide doesn't necessarily mean murder. there can be different degrees of murder. of course, jean can shed more light on this. it can be justifiable. it can be excusable. but now that we know it's strangulation, which i assumed they determined based on the breakage of the hyoid bone in the neck, now we really have more insight into what exactly happened to gabby that led to her death. >> casey, one more question. they also mentioned that dna samples were taken from her body. does that -- i mean, it's hard to know what that means, because brian laundrie was her boyfriend, so what could dna samples -- how could that aid in the criminal investigation?
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>> well, brian laundrie was her boyfriend, but maybe there was some trace evidence left on her body, hairs, saliva, something that would really equate to him being with her at the time of her death. they could have found articles of clothing that had dna on them that didn't belong to gabby around her body that belonged to brian laundrie. what they're trying to do is link him to her time of death, her place of death. and we don't know whether she died where she was found or maybe died in the van and was carried there, dragged there. but all of this is connecting the dots and dna is the thing that your investigators are really going to use to build an airtight case against the person who killed her. be that brian laundrie or not. >> yeah, go ahead, jean. >> it's so important, the dna. the question. because to further this investigation, you know prosecutors are looking at this. prosecutors are very interested
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in dna because dna of -- foreign dna on her, meaning not her own dna, can be critically important, and there are things called defensive strikes, defensive wounds, and they look under the nails to see if there is any foreign dna. now, she was with brian laundrie, and he obviously has not been charged with anything in regard to her death, but she was with him night and day, so it will make it difficult, but there's also aspects of touch dna that they've used in various cases that is very, very specific, but if there is anything -- if there was -- we don't know the condition of her neck, right? but if there was anything that could show a perpetrator had her and was committing an act against her, that dna could be used. >> all right. >> and if i can jump in. >> go ahead, quickly. >> if she was using any kind of defensive actions, as jean said,
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skin under the nails, trying to fight off her attacker, then that is more damning source of dna than just a hair or fiber that may have been found on something she was wearing. so, we don't know exactly, and it will come out eventually, i'm sure, but we don't need to know everything. where they may have extracted an attacker's dna from her and what that might mean. >> all right, just to update for those just joining us. the cause of death now in the case of gabby petito is strangulation. manner of death, we knew a couple of weeks ago, homicide. that is, from what we learned from the coroner there in teton county, all that they can release, but of course that autopsy is complete and they know far more than they are legally allowed to tell. jean, casey, thank you both. we'll take a quick break, but we'll have more on the other side about the nfl head coach, jon gruden, who just resigned after the these homophobic, racist and misogynist emails were uncovered.
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gentle constipation relief in minutes. little fleet. big relief. try it. feel it. feel that fleet feeling. okay, back to the resignation of las vegas raiders head coach jon gruden. he stepped down after "the new york times" unearthed old emails he sent packed with racist, misogynistic, and homophobic language. katie rossman is back with us, along with retired nfl player
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ephraim salaam. sorry for the interruption. this guy's a real treat, katy. these emails show vile things that he felt at liberty to write in basically work emails about black people, gay people, women. he doesn't like president obama. he doesn't like president biden. he says nasty things about roger goodell. it goes on. so obviously, he has resigned, but does this say something larger about espn or the nfl and that he felt at liberty to write these things during those years? >> well, thanks for having me on. i was taken by the comfort with which you can feel these emails are being written and when you read them, it feels very, very comfortable, nothing felt like a special moment where somebody was really letting loose. it just felt like this was the way these men were bantering with each other, and i can't speak to espn or the nfl specifically, more broadly, but it certainly points to a culture
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where this sort of language and commentary, you know, took place somewhat common place, at least among these gentlemen, if not more. >> casualness in which these over seven years these e-mails were exchanged. does this surprise you at all? >> in this day and age, nothing really surprises me. people are going to be who they are, and you know, you hear this over and over and over again about what is done in the dark comes to light eventually, so if you're having these type of conversations with your friends, your closest, you know, friends, and then people that you trust and these are the ways that you're feeling not only about, you know, african-americans, but about gay people, trans people, any of these things, about women, you just can't go on a rant or tell jokes or be off
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colored and think it's going to be okay. especially when you're doing it over e-mail and you just have this sentiment of being, like, let's be honest. a terrible person, right. you can call it whatever you want, but obviously he's just a terrible person. now, you got players and you got coaches and people coming to his defense like he doesn't have a racist bone in his body, but i push back on that because his bones may not be racist, but his thoughts and his comments are. >> such a great point. i mean, you can't say that you don't have a racist bone in your body if you write these vile e-mails. i mean, this is from a different century, the imagery he's using and the words he's using, it's archie bunker is the last time things like this were mildly said in public at least. is there a sense that this manifested itself in his management style or in his life
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or work? >> well, i don't know necessarily, but listen, if you're the guy who is having a say in who gets on a team or who gets coverage by a network and you're saying that queers shouldn't, you know, be drafted or if you're saying that women shouldn't be allowed to be on field referees, i mean, i'm trying to choose my words carefully because many of the things that he said are things i don't think you want me to say on the air, but it's not just about saying those things. it's about being the decision makers, and holding the keys, holding the opportunity for others in your hands and having these values and opinions that, like i said seemed very very casually espoused to me. >> let's talk about one of the decision makers asked today about gruden and the comments. this is jerry jones, owner of
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the dallas cowboys. you mentioned there are people coming to his defense. here's one of them. >> i know these people. i know everybody that you've been reading about. they're outstanding proponents of our game. they have represented this game in many cases beautifully and certainly we all continue to recognize what a spotlight you're in, and the way that we should express ourself. >> that's his response to what he read in "the new york times" about these e-mails. so my question, your reaction to that, but also is this the end of his career in the nfl? is it the end of his analyst career potentially or will we see jon gruden again soon?
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>> i'll say this. in that statement we just heard from jerry jones, he didn't say anything about the disparaging comments. what he talked about is how good they were for the game, how much they meant for the product of the nfl, which would, to me, lands on deaf ears, right, like you never -- you addressing a situation or a scandal without actually addressing it, right? he didn't say, hey, look, those were disparaging things, he shouldn't have said it, but he's meant this, this and this to the game. what he came out and said was hey, look, i know these people, they mean so much to the game. they held the game to the highest regard. too bad they didn't hold other people, other genders in higher regards, and that's the problem you see, right. sometimes we put over human decency, we put a career or
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anything like that over just being a common, kind and decent person which in some places doesn't have, you know, a place in business, you know, and that's a shame, and to his -- will he ever coach again or be an analyst again, probably somewhere down the line, you know, as you know, time is the best healer of everything. so it wouldn't surprise me. >> katie rosman, ephraim salome, thank you both. the long standing practice of people over 60 years old taking a daily low dose aspirin is now in question. so we have details on the new draft guidance, next. and lots going on today. here's what to watch.
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new proposed health guidance just out could have a sweeping effect on millions of older americans. a major national task force is proposing recommending against taking a daily aspirin to cut the risk of heart disease and stroke if you're over 60 years old. it's part of new recommendations that ultimately sets the norms for what treatments and tests are implemented by doctors across the country. and what's typically covered by insurance. >> cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen joins us now. what does this mean for everybody who takes a daily dose of baby aspirin? >> right. unfortunately i think, alisyn, over the years that some people, maybe even some doctors got the message, a daily dose of baby aspirin, everybody should be doing it. what the u.s. preventative task force is saying is that's not quite true. they have written a draft of recommendations, tit's not written in stone yet. they're saying there's a benefit to aspirin for many people, people who have had a heart attack or stroke, they could
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really benefit from having an aspirin. however, if you're older, something bad could happen if you take an aspirin a day, and that is you could bleed too much. too much aspirin can make you bleed too much and that gets more likely as we age. let's take a look at draft recommendations and what they're saying. what they're saying is first of all, and this is so important, if you've had a heart attack or a stroke, and your doctor says take a baby aspirin or aspirin a day, take an aspirin a day. if you have had a heart attack or stroke and your doctor is saying to take an aspirin, take it. however, if you have not had a heart attack or stroke and you're over 60, do not take an aspirin because of the bleeding risk. if you have not had a heart attack or stroke and you're 40 to 59, talk to your doctor. it is possible that maybe you should be taking an aspirin, for example, if you've got some health history of cardiovascular issues. if you have a family history of cardiovascular issues. maybe you should be taking an

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