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post-modern pieces. ♪ welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. it is tuesday, october 12th. i'm john berman with prixbriann keilar. on this new day, glory. >> here comes santana. the red sox. >> kike hernandez driving in santana with a ninth inning walk-off sacrifice fly to send the boston red sox to the american league championship series. they beat the heavily favored tampa bay rays, three games to one. a series the yankees watched from home, if at all. so congratulations to the entire world, which clearly benefits from this. i can see brianna agrees.
>> ah. there is other major news this morning. one of pro football's most high profile coaches resigns after an avalanche of new homophobic, masochistic emails come to light. las vegas raiders coach jon gruden resigned after "the new york times" revealed a pattern of homophobic, masochistic emails over a seven-year span. this followed a racist email that came to light a few days ago. in the new emails, gruden denounces the drafting of a gay player and calls for the firing of players who protested the national anthem. >> this is a stunning downfall for one of the game's highest paid and highest profile coaches. gruden was in the fourth year of a ten-year, $100 million contract. in a written apology, he says he never meant tojoining me is ian nfl insider. thanks for being with us. i want to read the statement gruden put out last night. i've resigned as head coach of
the las vegas raiders. i love the raiders. i do not want to be a distraction. thank you to the players, co coaches, staff of raider nation. i'm sorry. i never meant to hurt anybody. i'm sorry, i never meant to hurt anybody, is different than, i'm sorry i wrote masochistic, you know, homophobic, racist things. what is your main takeaway from this? >> it sounds like, i'm sorry everybody found out. that's a loose translation for jon gruden. i talked to a source in the room when jon gruden resigned to his coaching staff. they described him as heartfelt and sincere and apologetic. but it was too late by that point. the stance that jon gruden had taken over the course of the past three days, ever since first the "wall street journal" and then late yesterday "the new york times" came out with these racist, homophobic, masochistic emails, it had been defensive. jon gruden was asked, for instance, what he learned when his emails became public and during the course of him being
criticized the past couple days. he said he learned things but was not willing to share it. he says he doesn't have a racist poe bone in his body. he didn't want to discuss it further. it was defensive. essentially, the way that this broke down, the nfl actually sent the contents of these emails to the las vegas raiders on friday and then waited for them to act, waited for gruden to act. nothing really happened until this latest article, this latest bombshell from the "new york times" essentially forced everyone's hand. yeah, i read his apology like you read his apology, which is, i'm sorry for those i offended, which is obviously not the right tone or sentiment at all. >> just to be clear, the racist email, which came to light a few days ago, uses racist tropes, blatantly, to describe the players unicon head. the masochistic emails mention -- first, he sends pictures of naked women, but also talks about there shouldn't be female refs in the nfl. the homophobic stuff, we're not
putting it on the screen because i don't want to repeat it, but he uses the slur to describe the nfl commissioner here. this is a problem for the nfl writ large, ian. all of this, all of this is the type of stuff that the nfl has been trying to battle as it tries to change its image. >> yeah. i would say that's right. the nfl over the past several years has been much more diverse, much more inclusive, and made a point of that, being very outwardly open arms publicly. that's the way the nfl has been the last couple years. it has been intentional. it has been noteworthy. this is against that. i mean, everything jon gruden stood for in those emails that were private emails sent while he was at espn but clearly represents who he is, gruden was, you know, completely opposite of everything the nfl has tried to stand for. how about this? the las vegas raiders have the first openly gay player, carl
nassib, to play in a regular season game. how would jon gruden, after sending that homophobic email, with players knowing that's what he really thinks, how would he stand up in the middle of the room and lead this group of men with several people in that looker room knowing that, privately, he makes fun of them or is against them. it could not work. that partially explains why jon gruden resigned to owner mark davis and then to his staff last night. >> nassib, first openly gay player on the nfl roster in the regular season, how would that work out after the emails came to light? 70% of the players in the nfl are black. how would they feel after seeing the racist email that came to light earlier? randy moss on nfl network last night, he was talking about this. you could see the emotion. i was struck by how emotional the players are. what do you think the reaction to this will be among the players in the league? >> i mean, from the people i've spoken with, and it's tough to
gauge what several thousand people think, but i've sensed relief, honestly. this is a man who, you know, i know publicly was one thing, and he sort of seemed to be kind of a jovial, cooky leader. these emails uncovered the real thoughts of jon gruden. i think there were a lot of people wondering, players, executives of color, many of whom i spoke to last night, coaches of color, just humans, we're just wondering, like, is this person going to get what he deserves? is there going to be accountability? are you allowed to do this? even if he didn't work in the nfl at the time, even if he worked at espn, how is this very, very high-profile face of one of the multi-billion dollar franchises in the nfl, how is this allowed? i think when jon gruden resigned, several of the people i spoke with simply said, "okay, good. this is what it should be." >> the question is, is it just
jon gruden though? in 650,000 emails, it's part of an investigation into the washington football team, patterns and practices. that's how it came to light, because of emails he was sending to an official there. but what do you think the possibility is that there will be other people who engaged in this kind of discussion that the nfl might have to look into? >> that's a great question, and that's sort of the next thing, is what happens now with so many of these emails? there were thousands upon thousands upon thousands of emails, but so few were made public. the contents of the nfl's investigation into the workplace conduct and other issues involving the washington football team have not been made public. the report has not been made public. most of these emails have not been made public. are they going to be? are we going to find out these secret contents of other leaders' emails that followed the pattern? at this point, i don't know. i would say five days ago i didn't expect to find out the contents of jon gruden's emails either.
we will see which direction this takes us, but i think it is safe to say everyone in the nfl has both eyes open after this john dprud -- jon gruden situation. >> ian rapoport, i'm a big fan of your work. i wish we could meet under different circumstances. >> you can always text me for fantasy advice and stuff. >> sure. tom brady, pick him first. now to the u.s. democracy under attack. what happens once more candidates who support cuecoupe and overturning elections is happening? a candidate running for secretary of state, who would oversee elections, attended the rally outside the capital on january 6th. since then, he's pushed for the bogus audit of maricopa county's votes. in michigan where biden won by more than 150,000 votes, trump endorse d christina for secretay
of state, who said she saw poll irregularities. she signed onto the suit that voted to give legislatures the power to certify elections. in georgia's secretary of state race, trump endorsed the congress man who supported his fraud lies. the current secretary of state in georgia, of course, got that call from trump to find 11,000 more votes. >> in nevada, the candidate for republican secretary of state had his own election fraud claims after losing his congressional race last year. even going as far as to sue to have the election overturned. the judge rejected that. wisconsin's secretary of state doesn't even run the state's elections but will if republican candidate jay schroeder gets his way. part of his platform is to strip the bipartisan election commission of their oversight power. according to reuters, quote, he said in an interview that there is lots of reasonable doubt as to whether biden won the election. in many states, you will see the
same trend hpgappening at the t of the ticket. arizona and virginia. both candidates for governor embraced trump's fraud lies. carrie lake, running to be the next governor of arizona, even saying that she would not have certified the 02020 election, a republican governor doug ducey did at the time. in congress, worth noting, nearly 150 members of the house republican conference voted to de-certify the election in six states won by president biden. they are, of course, still in congress. now the party's second in command, steve scalise, won't even admit that the election was not stolen. then in the senate, republicans in power are doing their part to wipe away trump's role in the insurrection and embracing his b.s. so why? they're doing it to hang on to power. they're doing it to survive politically. >> -- accept the endorsement of a person who has 91% of the
republican voters in iowa, i wouldn't be too smart. i'm smart enough to accept that endorsement. >> telling it like it is there, i guess. joining us, tom nichols, contributing e ing writer for " atlantic." author of "our own worth enemy, the assault from within on modern democracy." tom, thank you for being with us this morning. just tell us straight up how serious the threat to american democracy is right now overall. >> it is very serious. it is ongoing. it began last year when the loser of the election, donald trump, for the first time in american history, refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power, and still refuses to commit to it. we are in a constitutional crisis. it's not looming. it's not ahead of us. we're smack in the middle of it with an entire political party, an entire political movement that rejects the basic constitutional norms and laws
that govern our elections. this is really serious. what you're seeing is the creation, the setting up of an infrastructure in 2022, to set up for 2024, basically, to take the election, whether donald trump wins or loses. and to falsify the outcome and to undermine faith in our elections, which is really the larger project here. >> you tweeted something that really stood out. you said the threat to american democracy increased exponentially over the past five years or so when mediocre people of meager talents realized they would never have to work a straight job again as long as they could terrify a nation of right-wing nitwits about the end of real america. i mean, is that what you think, that this came down just to craven self-interest on the part of a mediocre political
operatives and o s operatives? >> for some people on the right, that's what happened. when stephanie grisham wrote her book, she said point-blank, somebody like me -- talking about herself -- somebody like me was never going to have a chance to go to d.c. and go to the show without hooking up with somebody like the trump campaign. there have been people who said, if we keep people scared, we can stay on television, on radio, and, you know, become celebrities in our own right, and not have to really care about what happens to the rest of the country. at the elected level, what you have is a staggering amount of cowardice and self-interest. chuck grassley is 88 years old. at some point, you know, when is it enough? when does he simply say, i'm just too old for this? i don't mean too old to be a senator. i mean too old to have to bend the knee to somebody like donald trump.
so there is this whole complex of people who finally found a place in the sun by scaring the hell out of the rest of america. when that's combined with a bunch of people whose primary goal in life is just to stay in washington, d.c., you know, that puts the constitution in a lot of danger. then people aren't doing what's in the interest of the country or for our system of government. >> you mentioned stephanie grisham. who else? >> i think if you look at the entire right-wing publishing enterprise now, everybody from "national review" to "american greatness," it has become basically just an enterprise of keeping their heads above water and staying published and staying in the public eye. i think there are cable networks, not the one we're on, but there are cable networks whose hosts spend the entire evening scaring people half to
death simply to keep their eyeballs glued to the television set. >> i think i know who you're talking about, but i just want to be clear. who are you talking about? >> i think the entire fox primetime lineup is basically organized around keeping people terrified and keeping themselves on television, from tucker carlson to laura ingraham in the evening. >> doesn't seem to be a consequence though, do you think? >> they're selling something the market wants to buy, but much like a drug, when you start people on fear as a way to hook them into watching television, you have to keep delivering bigger and bigger hits of that fear. so instead of stories about immigration, you get stories about caravans. instead of stories about crime, you get stories about rampaging in the streets and on and on. by the end of the evening, people are convinced that they
want to live in nartheir panic rooms. they are willing to go, this is key, they're willing to choose authoritarian, anti-constitutional solutions that empower a republican party that has given up on democracy and would gladly provide those authoritarian solutions, particularly in the person of donald trump. >> tom, it's great to get your perspective today. really interesting. tom nichols, thank you. a health care worker would rather lose her job than get the covid shot. >> i think that i will then seek further employment. i hate to do that because i love my patients. i love the people i work with. at the same time, i'm not going to personally go against something that i feel very deeply in my soul that would hurt me. >> ellie reeve takes us inside a missouri hospital where the hospital administration is more concerned about walkouts if a mandate is implemented.
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overnight, texas governor abbott issued an executive order that ties the hands of businesses in his state. remember, he likes to brag about being a pro-business governor. abbott's new order bans any and all state businesses in texas from enforcing vaccine mandates. there are a lot of major companies in that state that have put forth vaccine requirements for employees. abbott does say the covid vaccine is safe and effective and the best defense against the virus, but he says it should
remain voluntary and not compulsory. >> vaccine mandates may be controversial, but they work. more people are getting vaccinated because of them. still, vaccine hesitancy abounds. case in point, a rural missouri hospital where some employees are willing to lose their jobs rather than get the shot. cnn's ellie reeve went there, and she is joining us now. el ellie? >> we wanted to talk to people who not only know how vaccines work but saw up close so many people getting sick and still don't want the vaccine. most people didn't want to go on camera to talk about that, but one did. >> i do believe covid is terrible. i believe it is dangerous. i watch people every day, and i watch the fear in people's eyes every day. that's the saddest, most terrifying part, is to see our society become so fearful. but i do not think the government has the right to step in and mandate and tell us what we have to do. >> reporter: how do you think it'll affect you, if there is a
vaccine mandate at this hospital? >> i think that i will seek further employment, and i hate to do that because i love my patients. i love the people i work with. at the same time, i'm not going to personally go against something that i feel very, very deeply in my soul that would hurt me. >> reporter: only about 60% of staff are vaccinated at scotland county hospital in rural northeast missouri. the hospital's ceo doesn't think a mandate will make unvaccinated staff get the shot. he thinks it'll make them quit. >> we need staff to work. in return, we're not asking you to get a vaccine mandate. there are people in the hospital who shared if a vaccine mandate happened on our account, anyone else's, they would not work here. that's just something they weren't going to put in their body. we thought, why not take advantage of people's perceptions and people's fears? because everyone wears an n-95 mask when giving patient care anyway. people were pleased we honored
their right to choose what they want to do with their body. i think that may have helped retain some staff that may have been tempted to jump to other places because of salary or what they perceive as different working conditions. >> reporter: his strategy reflects the reality of where he lives. only 22% of people in the area are vaccinated. >> for someone who is on the fence or has previously been rejecting vaccines, for whatever reason, the closer that they see someone, you know, that they either know or love that suffers a grave illness or tragically dies, that often is the switch that flips their mind. >> reporter: how do you square that with health care workers though who saw so many people sick and still don't want the vaccine? >> i can't, other than it doesn't make common sense to me. i just can't explain it. it is inexplicable. >> reporter: the supreme court upheld a vaccine mandate for smallpox in 1905. still, a small portion of hospital workers around the country have protested vaccine
mandates. >> mandates have got to go. >> reporter: the opposition matters a lot more here because scotland county hospital struggles to have enough staff. 10 of its 57 nurses left during the pandemic. it even mailed famaterial sayin it didn't have vaccine mandates. then biden gave a federal mandate at hospitals with medicare and medicaid. >> you should be able to know the people treating you are vaccinated. >> i criticize president biden's mandate. i thought it was a mistake. i think it is going to backfire. >> i think it is going to hurt our people and our health care. if you lose your health care workers, who is going to take care of the people who do have disease? it is a ridiculous mandate, and i just -- personally, it is my choice. >> reporter: this man saw his dad hospitalized with covid here. he is also sheila's doctor.
do you talk about it with staff members who don't want the vaccine, or do you try to avoid talking about it? >> sure, i talk with them. a lot of the people around here that aren't vaccinated are concerned about mostly the unknown of what if this vaccine causes an issue with whatever in the future, and they're just skeptical. it is incredibly frustrating to get the education and understanding across that you're not just protecting yourself. we're trying to keep our neighbors healthy. we're doing this to try to keep others from losing people. that's what i try to do, try to sit down with staff members and patients alike and explain why it is that i would prefer they get vaccinated. what our goal is, what the end goal is here, and it's not an individual thing. >> reporter: dr. wilson also tried to convince his high school best friend, kurt triplet, who co-owns triplet farms with his brothers. >> me personally, i have no
problem with the vaccine, but what has turned rural america or conservatives against it is basically turned it into a political football. >> reporter: are you vaccinated? >> i am not. >> reporter: how come? >> we live very secluded where we're at. i don't feel like the risk either to me or to someone else is high enough to justify taking it. >> reporter: i'm sorry, this is a dumb question. you can yell at me if you think it is. >> no. >> reporter: don't you vaccinate your animals? >> to some extent. herd immunity does happen. maybe the vaccine would speed that up. other times, it isn't that big a deal. >> reporter: what about a farm dog? >> we do take our dogs in for rabies and -- >> reporter: exactly, rabies. >> parvo . we don't want them to be sickly. yes, we do. >> reporter: explain it to me like i'm an idiot. why do you see those things as different? >> really, i'm not going to say
that i'm not getting the vaccine because i don't believe it wouldn't do the job, that it wouldn't work. i just -- i don't know what the risks are out there for the vaccine. i mean, they're well documented. we don't have to go over all the risks. i just feel like my risk of being exposed to covid and what it'd do to me is not greater than the risk that the vaccine is, is what it comes down to. if you wanted to get opinions, there's no telling what -- you'll get opinions both ways. you'd just step into lacy's diner out there at a certain time, and you would get exposed to lots of opinions and ideas about everything you've asked me. some might agree with me, and some would definitely disagree. that'd just be the way it is. >> reporter: are you all vaccinated? >> nope. >> reporter: no? >> nope. >> reporter: how come? >> don't believe in that. >> reporter: did you get the
covid vaccine? >> oh, yeah. right off the bat. as soon as i could. everybody should get it. >> reporter: well, he doesn't think so. >> i feel like -- i feel more secure after getting the shot. >> i won't get it. >> reporter: you don't find the argument convincing? >> no. >> reporter: can you explain? >> huh? >> reporter: why don't you find that convincing? >> my daughter, she don't believe in it either. she worked all through last year with covid patients up there. she's a nurse. >> reporter: she didn't get the vaccine? >> nope. >> reporter: and what did she tell you was the reason? >> to not get it? >> reporter: yeah. >> she don't believe in it either. >> reporter: can you just say why? >> i don't think it's been proven yet. >> reporter: okay. >> it's never been fully approved. >> reporter: it is fda approved. >> for emergency use. >> reporter: no, there was an
emergency use authorization, but now it is fda approved. >> is it? >> reporter: yes, the pfizer shot. how would you feel if there had to be a mandate, that you had to get it? >> i think that would violate my constitutional right. >> where shellby works, my daughter, she'll just quit. >> reporter: you think she'll quit? >> so will three or four others. >> reporter: nurses? >> uh-huh. so if they mandate it, we're going to be short a had lot of nurses. >> people here think it's not a necessity. that they have the system that can fight that. if their system can't fight that, the likelihood is they were going to probably pass from something else anyway. >> reporter: you're confident your body is strong enough to repel covid? >> my mind is. now, whether or not my body is is a whole other situation. i wouldn't know until i had had that. i have made it this far in life. >> reporter: so the obvious
question is, why doesn't the hospital call their bluff? where else are they going to work? but sheila told us she'd be happy to mow lawns. >> she would be happy to mow lawns. ellie, i thought it was fascinating, that discussion you were having especially at the diner, where you saw people on different sides of this debate. it was noteworthy that these were older folks, right, who some of them who tend to get the vaccine but some who don't. that was incredible to hear that conversation. >> reporter: yes. and we've been report on this for a long time from rural places. i was encouraged by that. two out of three wanted to get the vaccine. that shows a little bit more receptiveness to it than we had seen in previous stories. >> also, thank you for updating that gentleman. yes, indeed, at least one of these vaccines is fully authorized by the fda. ellie, as always, great reporting. thank you. >> reporter: thank you. tensions growing between china and taiwan, but is america prepared to go to war over the future of taiwan?
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taiwan says that china has sent a record number of war planes into its air defense identification zone, a sign of increasing tensions between the island and beijing. china views taiwan as an inseparable part of its territory. president xi jinping hasn't ruled out using military force to capture taiwan if necessary. joining me now is jordan chang, columnist at the "daily beast." always an education to speak to you. a record number of war planes in october from china flying near taiwan. also, rhetoric from taiwan at a
different level than we've heard before. they seem more openly nervous or talking about it more than before. what's different now? why now? >> i think the difference now is, as you point out, the defense minister, the foreign minister, and the president herself have started to express alarm in public. in the past, they used to slough it off. i think what's different now are two things. first of all, beijing's perception of the u.s. after the fall of kabul. we've seen from their propaganda they believe they can push the u.s. around. much more important than that is the political turmoil in beijing. i think it is making xi jinping very nervous himself. i think that he wants to have something to unify the political system and the chinese people behind him, and taiwan is the issue he's picked. >> jim sciutto, who covered the region so long, says it is fair to talk about this as a matter of when, not if. >> yes. clearly, when you hear, for instance, u.s. officials talk about this, especially in the
indo-pacific command, they talk either five years or six years. now, there's a lot of reasons why china wouldn't invade a taiwan. one of them is, simply, xi jinping would have to give some flag officer almost total control over the chinese military. that makes that general or admiral the most powerful person in china. so xi jinping is not about to do that. >> what kind of pressure does this put on the biden administration? because, as you said, one of the things driving this is this perception, the u.s. left afghanistan, walked away from that, so would they walk away from taiwan? >> yeah. we don't know that. the u.s. has this policy of is that tstrategic ambiguity. the u.s. has done nothing to distance itself from the strategic ambiguity concept. some of the explanations from the state department have muddied the waters. but i think we probably would defend taiwan. the reason is, not to do so would be catastrophic.
we dishearten friends and allies after afghanistan. we couldn't do that again. >> you're in the probably column. >> yeah. i'm in the probably column, and i think people in the administration probably don't know what they would do either. >> what about the olympics? the winter olympics just a few months away in china. the rest of the world has seen what's going on here over taiwan. do you think there are any countries that would say, we don't think it is time to go to an olympic game in china, given their aggressive posture? >> the boycott movement has petered out. what might happen is countries, let's say, wouldn't send their president, wouldn't send political figures to beijing. probably, you know, we'd see some of that. but in terms of poiboycott, i dt think that's going to occur. >> always a pleasure to speak with you. thanks so much for being with us this morning. appreciate it. >> thanks, john. how much of a role should parents play in what their children are being taught in school? we will discuss next.
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i'm not going to let parents come into schools and actually take books out, make their own decision. i don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach. >> virginia's democratic gubernatorial candidate, terry mcauliffe, criticized over his comments of what should be taught in schools and saying parents should stay out of it. heated debates continue at school board meetings across the country, about whether public schools should teach critical race theory, which is a legal
theory that recognizes that systemic racism is part of american society and challenges the beliefs that allow it to flourish. let's talk about this with people who are affected by this discussion. a virginia mom against critical race theory teaching in school. and also with us is a texas parent in favor of critical race theory being taught in schools. i twant to thank both of you fo co coming on. this is an important discussion we're having. you both agree that parents should have a say, right? they should have a say in what their kids are being taught. you differ on what schools should teach. so to you first, you know, what do you think schools should not be teaching? >> schools should be teaching reading, writing, arithmetic. they shouldn't be radicalizing our kids. unfortunately, schools are now radicalizing our kids.
critical race theory is taught in law schools, but now it is trickling down into little books for children, like "woke baby." "gender queer," which inspired this mom to speak in the school board meeting in fairfax county, to which terry mccauliffe responded. there is a graphic symbol of pedophilia and pornography. >> can i ask you, why do you draw a line from one to the other? because i have gone through critical race theory. i don't know that there is a direct line. why do you think that there is? >> just look at this idea that is in "not my idea." it literally says here, whiteness is a bad deal. it has a symbol of satan. and this is the contract that they say whiteness brings. children are getting this book. so there is a direct correlation from these ideas to these
dangerous principles. and i fit into the intersectional world. i'm a muslim. i'm an immigrant. i'm a mom of color. i am a single mom. yet i do not -- all of these privileges in the new paradigm of the oppression matrix, we're all human beings. that's what we need to teach children. race is important, hairacial history is important. but now racism, bigotry, and separation, affinity circles, segregation. it is not okay, and it is not healthy for our kids. >> what do you say to that? >> what i say is, you know, one of the big problems we have today, and we've learned this during the pandemic situation that we're in today, that we have too many people who know little or nothing about education trying to tell
professionals who are in this industry, who have been working hard. if anything, we learned their jobs are much harder than we think they are. we're coming in as weekend warriors, trying to tell them about what education should look like. what i would say is that i think we need to put a little bit more trust in our educators. we need to put more trust in people who have actually researched this issue and who actually are better informed because they spent the time and energy necessary to really understand some of the nuances that are being kind of blown over here in this conversation. i think what's important to really be aware of is that having this conversation on race and racism is what this is really about. what you oftentimes hear on the other side is this unwillingness to really call things out. they used to say in the black churches, you know, shame the devil and tell the truth. the truth is racism is real. it's having a real impact on our children. it's having an impact on the quality of life that people are
experiencing. where else is a better place to have the conversation around race and racism but in the classroom, to make sure they're critical thinkers, they're problem solving, they're innovators, so they're prepared for the world of work. so they can go out and make a difference in the world. basically, the response is, let's not have this conversation so we can keep them silent and quiet and not able and really make no real change in society. >> what's so ironic is that it is parents that they are trying to silence. i am wearing this shirt that says, "i am a mom, not a domestic terrorist." the national school board association, and now the justice department, has started a war on parents to silence us. of course, i respect educators. i came to this country not knowing a word of english, and it was teachers in west virginia that allowed me to become a journalist. this is what we're investigating, is that this is literally a poster that a parent
sent to us of a picture. i blanked out the f-word, but it says -- >> from where? >> from los angeles unified school district. it is called -- >> you say it was displayed? >> it was displayed. the school district acknowledged it. being a >> so let me ask you about this, because i think i'm curious what you think about this, there are some books, there are some pictures that certainly are things that should be discussed and debated. and clearly parents have, you know, they have a stake in whether some of these things are read or said. but i wonder if you see this as fully representative of the discussion of race, like, are you arguing that all of these things should be included, or are you saying that this sort of blanket argument against critical race theory is actually
an effort to avoid discussing racism? >> yeah, it is an effort. and oftentimes hidden behind this rhetoric. the language that i'm hearing used here doesn't really speak to the level of sophistication that i think is necessary to help our young people be prepared for the world of work, for the society that they're going to be living in. as someone who worked at the universities, we had too many students coming to the university who had little or no experience of knowing how to navigate the conversations and relationships that were related to race. so oftentimes they were ill prepared and so i'm not saying every piece of material that is out there is appropriate, and useful, but that's what parents, i think, having their involvement so critical, doesn't mean we have no involvement from parents, as a parent myself i was definitely involved with my children's education. not just at school, but also at home. and so i think it is really important to really -- not to
really low ball this conversation and really make it oversimplified, this is pretty nuanced. parents have the means of becoming more informed to be aware of what's available out there for them, so they can make really good decisions. but i don't think that means we need to abuse and really speak down to educators as if they are not prepared or have information that is necessary. and on occasion i think there is times where we should be saying, you know what, i'm not sure about this, i have questions. that's what this whole conversation about being critical is about, it is about having the means of having an intelligent meaningful conversation about this, and instead of throwing it all out and thinking, oh, well, this -- this is not an appropriate way to deal with some of the challenges. >> i know that we have only scratched the surface of this topic. there is so much more and what we're talking about are children, obviously this is something we're all very invested in. i thank both of you for having a discussion, a civil discussion that needs to continue.
thank you. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. >> have courage, everyone. up next, the new superman has a boyfriend, we're going to speak with the comic book writer about the decision that is sparking all types of reactions. the standoff escalates over the january 6th subpoenas. will the committee let steve bannon and others get away with not showing up. congressman adam schiff will tell us the latest next.
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friend jay nakamoro. what is their relationship like? >> their relationship if you've seen the pictures is a close one. superman is not clark kent. i want to make that clear from the get-go. this is john kent, the son of clark kent and lois lane. >> why? why did you make this decision? >> why did i make this decision? well, when i was offered the gig to have a new superman and a new superman number one for dc comics, that's a big thing. and i think the first question i had to ask myself was what does superman -- what should superman represent today? a new superman, if you make a new superman, what should that look like? it struck me as it would be a real opportunity lost if we had another -- we had clark kent replaced by another straight white savior. so here was an opportunity to create a superman who could represent a whole new group of
people. and i think that was one that we had to take on. >> and will be addressing modern day issues like -- >> like the climate crisis, like refugees. john in the last issue was just arrested attending a protest, trying to stop the -- of asylum seekers. as a stand, it is a very powerful thing. and, yes, so this is one of the things for him. he's trying to work out who he is, who he is as superman, who he is as john kent and us as the writer and everyone at dc comics is watching him go through this process of finding himself and seeing that on the page. >> what do you say to those who say superman should be fighting robots and lasers and lex luther and the legion of doom, not dealing with this stuff? >> he is going to be -- i promise he will punch a robot.
that's a guarantee. he will come up against lex luther in the upcoming annual. all those things are part and parcel of superman and this is just something extra that that very important symbol can now represent. and i have to say, having seen the reaction today, having seen online what it meant to people, i've seen so many messages from all over the world and so many different languages, people saying that they saw this news and burst into tears. people saying they never thought they would be able to see themselves in superman, that they wish other people who -- older people, all the people who said they wish they had this growing up and they're so happy that younger people, people who haven't come out yet, have this today. >> it is wonderful that you're getting that reaction. there is also some of the other type of reaction, particularly here in the u.s., political reaction. because everything has got to be political now, including
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