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we'll cover it in a moment and get your take here quickly before i get to the breaking news but it appears that before i tell the audience what p happened, i'd like to break it. this is bad behavior if true -- >> jon gruden. >> the coach of the las vegas raiders. >> he was a very popular tv analyst. he was with the tampa bay buccaneers. he's a very well-known commodity with the nfl. he got called out for saying ugly and racist things -- >> emails. >> about the head of the players union. an email he said i'm not a raisest. he apologized. he said it was a long time ago. but now there is more. >> he said there is not a stick i'm paraphrasing here of racism in him but apparently, the new emails, there is a trove, another trove of emails, chris, that have been uncovered and revealed and reportedly in these emails, it doesn't show what he said in that apology that he made on just the other evening. so that is our breaking news. i know people will be talking about this. they are talking about it now.
but -- >> it's not about football. it's about a developing aspect of our culture. >> let me give you the breaking news and we can talk about it. there are multiple reports tonight, chris, jon gruden is resigning as the head of the las vegas raiders. again, this is all coming in in the wake of a bombshell "new york times" report detailing how gruden used anti gay language in numerous emails during a seven-year period and again, i think i still have chris with me. if he's not -- >> yes. >> this is according to the "new york times", chris. that gruden sent emails to bruce allen, bruce allen was then the head of the washington football team. the president. saying that the nfl commissioner, this is what they reportedly said, should not have pressured then rams coach to draft queers referring to michael sam. referring to that. the first openly gay player drafted back in 2014. using multiple anti gay slurs in
an email but it didn't, you know, end there. said he called someone roger goodell a p for wanting to take precautions when it comes to head injuries or what have you in football and pro football. >> so the seminole question on gruden was, not that people will like the emails. they're not. they're ugly. it that while he wasn't with the los vegas raiders at the time, this was years and years ago, even this new trove from "the new york times" that they talk about is a seven-year period that ended 2018 and it's an interesting question. what is the relevance of time to what somebody did? do you give context to whether or not the morals were the same then? the sensitivities were the same? for the los vegas raiders, the issue is it didn't happen on our
watch but at what point does the person you have now, the employer you have now have to act on what you did in the past? >> you don't say a player, his lips were like michelin tires. i don't think that was okay at any time. it was okay to share, you know, images of cheerleaders and female reps and msay, you know, nice job or comment on their personal parts or what have you. i have breaking news. i have a response from jon gruden. i got to go and get to the person that wrote the article. love you, brother. see you later. again, jon gruden, we said that it is reported that he's going to resign but we have a statement from him. here is the statement coming in from jon gruden. he said i resigned as head coach of the las vegas raiders. i love the raiders and don't want to be a distraction. thank you to the players, coaches, staff and fans of raider nation. i'm sorry, i never meant to hurt
anyone. again, that's according to jon gruden himself. a statement, the breaking news now out that jon gruden is resigning as the coach of the las vegas raiders. other things about the emails. he admits to using a racial trope in a 2011 email describing nfl pa executive director smith. he said he apologized to smith and claims he's not a racist and joked about an nfl owner performing oral sex on him and sent sexist memes and there is more. ken is here and covers the nfl for the new york times and broke the story with kathryn rossman. ken, so grateful you're here. appreciate it. we have a statement in from the coach now. what's your response to his statement? what do you have to say? >> not surprising. he knew the emails were out there. the nfl had found these emails in an investigation on the washington team and forwarded them to the raiders last week.
only one came out about da morris smith on friday so he knew it was a matter of time before these would surface somehow. i suspect he hoped they never would but they did. one thing i think is remarkable here is he did sort of pin his initial explanation was he pinned it on 2011, his state of mind at the time but as the emails show, they were a barrage of tirades that went on for many years and homophobic comments, concussions, issues the nfl policies to improve safety and so this was sort of a whole fuse lod -- fuselage of attacks on the nfl. >> he said there wasn't a stitch of racism in him. these emails, again, if these emails are true and it appears
they are because he is resigning, he has resigned, then it goes against everything that he said. we hear often, we often hear people say i'm not racist and homophobic and not any of those and their actions show otherwise. >> it's an unvarnished view. maybe he didn't deliberately try to hurt anyone but he certainly made those comments -- >> ken, i want the audience to hear what i'm talking about. i want to play what he said and i'll get you to come back and continue what you were saying. let's play it. >> all i can say is i'm not a racist. i don't -- i can't tell you how sick i am. i apologize again to d. smith. but i feel good about who i am and what i've done my entire life and i apologize for the insensitive remarks i had no, you know, i had no racial intentions with those remarks at all but yes, they can.
i'm not like that at all. i apologize. i don't want to keeped addressing it. >> so again, ken, i heard that before. when you say someone's lips are like michelin tires and so on but go on. >> well, i mean, you cannot intend to be offensive and still be offensive. they're not mutually exclusive. you cannot know you're being racist or homophobic when you say things. it's a level of awareness that's perhaps lacking in this case. the other thing is what he's saying is going against everything -- not many of the things the nfl is trying to address. the object ive case of women, race relations in the country. the raiders have a player who said publicly he's gay. so here is the head coach whose past comments seem to contradict that. it's an awkward position to be
in. i don't see how he could finesse out of this. maybe one comment, two comments but there were many other emails. >> yeah, let me go through some of them and get your response. he denounced the emerge again of women as referees and drafting of gay players and the protesting of the playing of the national anthem according to emails reviewed by "the new york times." his messages were sent to bruce allen. bruce allen was the former president of the washington football team and others working for espn as a color analyst for monday night football. he also said that roger goodell, he said roger goodell a faggat and clueless anti football pussy and said goodell should not have pressured fisher to draft queers, a reference to michael sam chosen by the team in 2014. again, that doesn't sound like someone who is not racist or homophobic.
>> either that or he's -- doesn't know the definition of it i suppose. yeah, it's an awkward position to be in. i don't know. it's true this all happened while he was not working at an nfl team but he's a leader of a team now and it's a teams operate on a sort of mysterious chemistry involved. there is a lot of trust and when these emails are introduced into that conversation, it makes it harder to motivate players to work for you and that's destructive to the franchise and frankly to the league. >> it's especially so when 70% of the roster, the players, 70% are african-american players. they told some of the owners and team managers and the fans, of course, said we don't want politics in football and gruden also criticized president obama during his reelection campaign in 2012. and then vice president joe biden called him a nervous clueless pussy and he said
similar woods to describe goodell and demorris smith. >> yeah, this is a pretty -- well, i use the word unvarnished view. the conversations going on with bruce allen and others, mutual friends of theirs and email chats. obviously, they never expected any of this to become public but it is a window into kind of a tight circle in the nfl and the nfl itself is kind of a window into american culture. so if you think about it, i mean, these conversations may be happening at many levels and many workplaces just so happens this is the biggest sports league in america. >> let me ask you. so allen, bruce allen's email, they have not been -- they said bruce allen initiated some of the conversation. why not release allen's emails?
what's going on with that? >> allen was investigated because of the investigation of the washington football team. there was many women stepped forward to say that there was workplace harassment at the washington football team. the team initially hired its own investigatior and the league tok over the investigation that was last summer and as part of that wide ranging investigation, they went through emails including the team president bruce allen. so this was swept up in that. that investigation is closed and bruce allen hasn't been with an nfl team since the end of 2019 so in that sense, he's no longer affiliated with the nfl whereas jon gruden is leading a prominent team. so that's why this is become a focus. >> it interesting because allen's email was unofficial on the official nfl team email and grudens was not. this is his personal email. i'm not sure the difference but they're sharing these pictures
of women and what have you and horrible emails, work emails, at least allen was. thank you, ken. appreciate you joining. all right? good job on writing that story and breaking this. i want to bring in bob kostas. good evening to you. he's resigning. the first question i want to ask you, the players, some of the players he offended, jon gruden stood by him. i wonder how they feel now after this trove of emails has been uncovered? >> i guess the first, which was the insulting comment about da morris smith with obvious racial implications maybe some players that know gruden in a different context, in a different way were inclined to give the benefit of the doubt and say that was ten years ago. trying to be funny. awkward. however they want to rationalize it. it's important in any situation that comes up now where we look for a pattern of behavior rather
than something that might have been a mistake or might have been out of context or might have been unattended and wholly inconsistent with the person's body of work or everything we know about this person. this is a pattern of retro grade notions. not confined to race, not confined to sexual orientation, all of that is in there. retro grade notions about football reaches critical mass very quickly to the point where either gruden decided himself that there's no way out of this and has to resign or he was pressured to resign, but the key difference here, don, is we're not talking about a one off situation or one thing that happened ten years ago, 30 years ago, happened in the past to someone who is dead and we're trying to cancel that person and disregarding the context of their time and life and existence. this is pattern of behavior
apparently. i defer to ken. he's reported the story and quite honestly, i've been watching a lot of baseball tonight and i'm trying to play catchup so i don't want to venture into an area where i'm not on firm ground but what i've been able to determine and heard on your show and read in ken's piece in the "new york times", there's a lot here and it can't be rationalized. >> i saw the apology last night as i was watching the game and yesterday gruden told the world that he doesn't have and the exact quote is an ounce of racism in him. i want to read part of what da morris smith said on twitter today. he said that the email from jon gruden and some of the reaction to it confirms that the fight against racism, racist tropes and intolerance is not over. this is not about an email as much as it's about a pervasive belief by some that people who look like me can be treated as less. and then he goes on to say i appreciate that he reached out to me and i told him that we
will connect soon but make no mistake, the news is not about what is said in our private conversation but what else is said by people who never thought they would be exposed and how they're going to be held to account. that is a very powerful and true statement at least it rings true for me. your reaction, bob? >> i think it's very reasoned. i know da morris smith fairly well. i like him and i respect him. i think what he said was thoughtful. it important even as we rightly condemn statements like this that a couple of words that matter in smith's statement by some, not by everybody, i've had this conversation with you before, don. no one is trying to soft pedal the existence of things like this or say, oh, that's just an aberration, that's one in a million. we know these views exist even if whispered behind closed
doors. we know these attitudes exist and they've been fired up and affirmed by some corners of internet and some people in poll ti -- politics where people feel emboldened. it's a witch's brew but at the same time, it's not just members of marginalized groups that are offended. i'd like to believe it's the majority of white americans who do not feel this way and do not want this to be the tone of our sports or of our culture. i like what damorris said by some. we can guess what some means, 10%, 20%. it sure as hell isn't everybody. >> football runs deep in our culture. somebody from the south, lsu, we grow people and groom people to become college and nfl football players there. it's a culture. this runs deep in the culture and it's reflective, i think, in
many ways of what's happening in our culture and politics. i want to play this. i want to put this up and ask bob a question. this is the nfl players, this video they put out. one the video. they put out this video and you saw what happened in the league, you know, over the past five, four, three years or so on colin kaepernick and so on. what does this say about the culture and time we're in? players are starting to feel empowered and some autonomy and then you have this. does this show that the players are right to be doing what they were doing or doing now? >> well, they're right to be concerned. we can certainly talk about how typical this is and how farr reaching it is and called out and eliminated. and there is reasonable
differences across and feelings toward people passion and enlightenment and i would think reasonable people would say i don't want this to be part of the culture. we don't want this to be part of our discussions or what surrounds the games that we follow and the teams that we care about and as i said earlier, it's one thing to say hey, a guy made a mistake, slip of the tongue or reformed his attitude and raised his consciousness and we won't hold him to account for one thing ten years ago but if there is a pattern of behavior, that's a different thing. of course, you know as a fan the majority of players on scc teams and the overwhelming majority of players in the nfl are african-american. >> right. >> so even if you say starting
today i've learned my lesson in going forward i'll never do this, how do you win the trust of the people in that locker room? you're their leader. how do you win their trust? it isn't just the black players. the majority of white players regard the black players and the black players regard the white players as brothers in arms. they're teammates. down see the way these people feel about each other. players in every start. whatever their background and cultural differences may be, when they come together as a team, they begin to see each other as teammates and individuals. not as representatives of a group but as individuals. and they create bonds of affection and connection and respect. you can't have someone at the top of that organization that doesn't reflect those values. >> yeah. the fallout from this remains to be scene. thank you. bob costas is joining us. here is the breaking news.
the head coach of the las vegas raiders resigning. i love the raiders and don't want to be a distraction. thank you to the players, coaches, staff and fans of raider nation. i'm sorry. i never meant to hurt anyone. jon gruden. the lasting ramifications of this, what happens next as it comes to nfl and professional sports in general. also tonight on this program, who is afraid of the former president? apparently, most elected republicans and it's putting our democracy in peril. that is next. thanks for coming. now when it comes to a financial plan this broker is your man. let's open your binders to page 188... uh carl, are there different planning options in here? options? plans we can build on our own, or with help from a financial consultant? like schwab does. uhhh... could we adjust our plan... ...yeah, like if we buy a new house? mmmm... and our son just started working. oh! do you offer a complimentary retirement plan for him? as in free? just like schwab. schwab! look forward to planning with schwab.
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president trump making his big lie a litmus test -- i should say former president trump a test for former president trump. you're with him or against him. it seems even long-time acco establishment republicans are getting in line for the president and his big lie. stewart stevens is here, the former chief strategists and senior advisor to the lincoln project. good to have you back on, stewart. good evening. >> thanks, don. appreciate it. >> you say for those who believe president biden wasn't legally elected, that means they believe that we live in an occupied country iand america is not
democracy and you say that's the official position of the republican party. did i bet that correct? >> you got it absolutely right. really, that's the position of the republican party, joe biden is not legally elected president and that that means we don't live in a da mceemodemocracy, ws we live in an occupied country. when you take that position, this hasn't happened since probably 1860 would be the closest that one of the major parties doesn't believe america is a democracy. >> how do you explain what is happening in the american party now, stewart? i sit here every night for years and watch the republican party just embarrass themselves or members of the republican party embarrass themselves with their fealty to the former guy and apologizing for him. what is happening? >> listen, this is why i wrote this book. it was all a lie because i asked myself after 2016 how did this
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it works in russia. it not a democratic institution. >> in the veain of taking -- my question about people making excuses for him. chuck grassley appeared with him this weekend. listen to it. >> if i didn't accept the endorsement of a person that's got 91% of the republican voters in iowa, i wouldn't be too smart. i'm smart enough to accept that endorsement. >> you know, it funny. i hate actually running those rallies butt it's important to hear from the people in power now. used to make campaign ads for chuck grassley. this is him now 88 years old running for his eight-year term. do you recognize the chuck grassley that now pays fealty to trump? >> no, it's so -- >> his eighth term -- excuse me. i think i said something wrong. go on. >> it's so heartbreaking, don, to see chuck grassley who is an
interesting guy. he got involved in politics because he was involved in a union movement. he was always a corky guy who really sort of spoke his mind and to see him for what? what do you get out of this? why do you support donald trump who doesn't believe that joe biden is president that says this incredible racist stuff. it just -- this is how his career is going to end. this is what he's going to be remembered for. that's really -- the greatest danger is not to recognize the greatest danger, don and i think that the problem we have now is that it kind of looks like a normal moment. we have a normal president. it's not a normal moment and we've got to realize that this -- that what happened on january 6th was not a freak accident or the end of something. it the beginning of something. there is a coordinated effort
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>> last time, i promise, do you think the election was stolen or not. i understand you think there were irregularities and things need fixed. >> it was states that did not follow the rules set, which the constitution says to follow. >> that's the minority whip steve scalise. he can't bring himself to call the -- call out the election lie and say joe biden was a duly elected president and at least the election wasn't stolen, let's put it that way. >> this is what basically russian propaganda for decades the soviet union and russia attacked the concept the united states was a democracy. they challenged that. what these republicans are doing are playing into the hands of those that are our enemies. look, don, i worked for republicans for a long time and pointed out flaws in the democratic party. there are two parties in amany
er -- america. there is a party for democracy and another against democracy. the democratic party is up to the democratic party to save democracy here. we have to accept that. there won't be a third party? there are two parties here and it is critical this democratic party continue to control congress in 2022, which is very difficult but dodoable. what democrats need to do is nationalize this race. they need to make it a referendum on democracy and not get caught in these culture wars, not get caught up in, you know, whether or not it's 3.5 or $2.5 trillion. >> exactly. >> ultimately, that's not going to be remembered and democrats have to basically save democracy here. >> yeah, they got to win the war, not just the battle. thank you very much. appreciate it. thank you so much. an anti vax republican who is a texas gubernatorial candidate gets covid and current republican governor in texas
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texas governor greg abbott issuing an executive order banning any private employers from mandating any vaccines. abbott says the covid-19 vaccine is safe, effective and our best defense against the virus but should remain voluntary and never forced. that's happening as allen west known for being an anti-vaxxer comes down with covid. laugh la here. talk to me about the governor's deci decision. >> reporter: i think everybody in texas is looking at the
governor's decisions true very much a political lens. the governor is fencingpponents republican race for governor. that election is next year. both candidates running to the right of him and pushing ajgaint vaccine mandates and that sort of thing. a lot of people looking at the governor's action simply as politically motivated. the governor issued bans on local entities issuing mask mandates and many of those or many school disstripgts across the state defied the governor's executive order on that, as well. it not really clear whether anyone will pay attention to the executive order the governor issued tonight in texas. especially if you've seen so many major hospital chains in texas and major corporations that have already issued vaccine mandates for their m empp emplo >> what about an update on allen west? do you have one. >> they released a video through
social media he is home out of the hospital. he went in on saturday and said he had been receiving a lgroup f medications to treat his covid symptoms and that he is waiting to receive a negative test before he resumes campaigning for governor. he's one of the people running against governor abbott. and it was allen west who spent from the hospital bed especially saying that this experience has made him more convinced to be against vaccine mandates. so it's interesting to see governor abbott's announcement tonight coming a day after allen west was railing against vaccine mandates. >> yeah. ed lavandera, thank you, sir. i want to bring in dr. jonathan reiner. good evening to you. we know that vaccines work. right? how do you explain the on going republican resistance to life saving public health measures while we're in the middle of a
pandemic still? >> it almost like these politicians are trying to sabotage our recovery. there is some interesting stats that relate -- that i think answer some of these questions. april 19th vaccines were made available for all americans. and on that date, texas and new york had very similar numbers of deaths. new york had about 52,000 deaths, texas had i believe around 49,000 deaths. and since that time, since vaccines were available to all adults in the united states, new york has had an additional 3,000 deaths and texas has had almost 20,000 additional deaths. and the big difference is that new york has fully vaccinated 72% of its population and florida only 60% and now what we
see is the -- excuse me, texas. and now what we see is the texas governor really trying to prevent these mandates, which had been shown to increase vaccination uptake in the united states. it's almost as if he's trying to sabotage the vaccine effort in his home state and people are dying as a result. every -- almost every one of the 20,000 texans who have died in the last five months have died a needless death, a preventable death. >> allen west, he used all the buzz words in all the treatments except for vaccine. he's taking monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, all the anti vax buzz word treatments, so-called treatments. neither of those last two are approved for covid by the way. can you set the record straight again for us on these medicines,
on monoclonal antibodies, on hydroxychloroquine, on iver ivermectin. >> hydroxychloroquine has been studied in many trials. it does not work to prevent either hospitalization or death in folks with covid-19. ivermectin, which can be used in humans in -- for treatment of some parasite diseases does not work for prevention of serious illness, hospitalization or death in people with covid-19. monoclonal antibodies do work. it's an influsion that costs about $1500 -- >> early. >> you have to get it early. i encourage everyone who is sick to check with their doctor and see if they are a candidate for monoclonal antibodies. that -- those -- that therapy works. hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin,
does not. what's interesting is that allen west has said that he doesn't want to be injected with spike proteins. first of all, the vaccines don't inject him with spike proteins. they inject him with rna but yet, being infected by the virus, the virus is mull multip billions of spike protein elsewhere in his body. it's silly. it's ill informed, and it's dangerous to people who follow him. >> yeah. i got to get this in because it's important about merck asking the fda to authorize the new covid treatment pill. what does it actually do? what should people expect? >> all right. so it is a anti viral agent, which basically causes the virus to make mistakes in replication. so it interferes with the viral replication and in a very well
run trial, it shows that it reduces the risk of either hospitalization or death by 50%. and what's great about this therapy is it's oral. it's a five-day course oral course of medicine. so if one were to contract covid, your doctor could prep prescribe this. you can get it at the pharmacy and take it at home and appears to be effective in preventing severe illness. i expect in a few weeks, this will be available for americans, a nice big step forward. >> doctor, thank you. appreciate you and the information. thanks. >> my pleasure, thank you. it is national coming out day and take this, superman is coming out as bisexual.
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